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Speaker 1: Now. There has been a lot of discussion this week

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Speaker 1: Australia's security challenges in the years ahead. Joining us on

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Speaker 1: the line is Labour's Federal Member for Solomon Luke Goslin.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to.

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Speaker 3: You, Luke, Good morning Katie.

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Speaker 2: Like you're obviously a.

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Speaker 1: Polly now as I've just pointed out, but you served

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Speaker 2: Is this a good move?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's a great move, Codie. Where we

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Speaker 3: need to build the Straine Defense Force up to about

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Speaker 3: and if you've been a permanent resident of Australia for

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Speaker 3: they're hat in the ring, those from New Zealand initially

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Speaker 2: So it is sort of our allies isness.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's called five Eyes and what that means is

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Speaker 3: join up, and we've seen about twenty thousand Kiwi's become

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Speaker 1: Now in terms of like I know that there's some

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, we're working through our a couple of ways.

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Speaker 3: So we've got to fix up those processes. You know,

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Speaker 3: And so we're getting you know, acne can be serious

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Speaker 1: I mean that is absurd though, if we're in a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So we've just changed some of those things just

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Speaker 1: Look Look, some people though asked or sort of asking

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Speaker 1: Hey, look, a few quick ones to get through. We've

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Speaker 2: It says, good morning, Katie.

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Speaker 1: Can you please ask mister Gosling what's happening with the

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Speaker 3: Yep, good question. We are finalizing the document which will

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Speaker 3: This was a decision that was made quite some time

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Speaker 2: Well, we get a bloody good audience.

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Speaker 3: We'll get a massive audience. The Territorians will come out,

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Speaker 3: obviously anyone who wants to help in that endeavor please, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: they're some other Australian bands I think we can approach

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Speaker 3: you just want to make it such a big and

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Speaker 1: I would love to see Cold Chisel here. I am

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Speaker 1: the biggest Jimmy Barnes fan love Cold Chisel. I think

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Speaker 1: it would be amazing and you know, it doesn't get

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Speaker 2: We're able to make that happen. It would be awesome.

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Speaker 1: Luke, maybe as well, they can have some of those

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Speaker 1: Cyclone Tracy memorabilia t shirts that it sounds like you know,

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Speaker 1: I think this is a good idea as well, that

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Speaker 2: I mean, I reckon we have a talk to House

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Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely that'd be cool. And see them down at

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Speaker 3: we need to come back from Barunga because of course

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Speaker 3: we've got great GLENTI on. Yeah, I can't wait for that.

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Speaker 3: And there's an nty Hosh music festival.

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much. On someone's text me.

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Speaker 1: Someone's just messaged and said, Katie, I'm pretty sure Cultures

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Speaker 1: all performed post Cyclone Tracy in Darwin.

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Speaker 3: They did in nineteen eighty. It was the first time

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Speaker 3: they played in Darwen, right, And that was something I

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Speaker 3: mentioned yesterday as well. I mean, they love coming to

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Speaker 3: was during the build up too. But what I've basically

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Speaker 3: said is, hey, you know, we don't have to do

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Speaker 3: it outside. Let's just pack out the Darwin Convention Center.

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Speaker 3: It's available. It won't be as big a crowd as

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Speaker 2: We are right now. They will be the flame, trees

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Speaker 2: will be lovely.

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Speaker 3: And I just finished by saying, Terri Tourines would love

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Speaker 3: Cold Chisel forever. Now, Oh, come up and do a

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Speaker 3: gig full.

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Speaker 1: Of the puns, full of the puns this morning, Luke

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Speaker 1: goslig I, you know what, I was so lucky a

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Speaker 1: few years back my former producer Ronnie knew how much

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Speaker 1: I love Jimmy Barnes, and so she surprised me and

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Barnes. I tell it, I've never been so excited

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Speaker 3: He's such a legend. And I didn't catch it, but

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Speaker 3: apparently there was a good show on a couple of

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Speaker 3: days ago about Cold Chisel, about their journey, the ups

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Speaker 3: and downs that they had. I think you can watch

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Speaker 3: it on I View. But they are a great band

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Speaker 3: and as they've done in the past, from Adams aid,

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Speaker 3: you know, head straight up the track and why not?

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Speaker 2: Why not?

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Speaker 3: And will turn.

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Speaker 2: Out absolutely well. Look Goslin keep us.

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Speaker 1: Up to date with that and uh and yeah, we'd

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Speaker 1: love to see them here.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your time this morning. We

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Speaker 2: better leave it there.

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Speaker 3: On Yourcadian thank you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no worries, thank you,