Speaker 1: Flex and Frooms, Flex and Frooms.
Speaker 2: This is the Flex and Frooms catch up podcast.
Speaker 3: Oh sweety Pie, second last Day, don't be sad. Sad
Speaker 3: is helpful, but maybe not in this context. O'meagle is
Speaker 3: dead and the timing is very odd. Ten years of o'meagle.
Speaker 3: I don't understand why it couldn't just stay up at
Speaker 3: this point. Is there's not really marketing, there's no promo.
Speaker 1: Why die I know? And to think the amount of
Speaker 1: reducted I've seen on that platform though honestly sickening, also
Speaker 1: drinking on first dates. Would you do it? We're going
Speaker 1: to talk about it. Let's go over it.
Speaker 2: You're listening to Flex and Frooms on CATA.
Speaker 1: It is our last kind of week, I guess on
Speaker 1: cater it's been a pleasure to be here as perp.
Speaker 1: But Mickey has some best of moments to share with
Speaker 1: the audience and with us.
Speaker 2: Just keep the vibes high.
Speaker 1: Mickey, please play the tape.
Speaker 4: We're going to go back in time. It predates my
Speaker 4: employment as your producer. I actually couldn't tell you when
Speaker 4: this was.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thats for Mickey. I don't know that BM.
Speaker 2: Fleck and Frooms.
Speaker 3: Its Flex on Kita and this week we are making
Speaker 3: dreams come true.
Speaker 2: I swear to you. We surprised rooms.
Speaker 3: My special co host is one of her favorite people
Speaker 3: in the whole room scene from Lux Listing Sydney. We
Speaker 3: had in the studio and when I tell you, she
Speaker 3: squealed was.
Speaker 2: In hysterics, puffing, puffing. It was really quite beautiful.
Speaker 1: I think there was chemistry all round.
Speaker 3: And I think you want to pay attention and stay
Speaker 3: tuned so you can hear exactly how it went down.
Speaker 2: Oh god, this is phenomenal.
Speaker 3: That is more dramatic the visuals.
Speaker 2: You were screaming to you.
Speaker 1: Know, did you no? That was a good get by them.
Speaker 1: Am I going to see Simon walk through it?
Speaker 2: You better?
Speaker 1: Simon Common we're friend's on Instagram, so he watches my Sorry.
Speaker 1: That was beautiful, And you know what I loved about
Speaker 1: that moment?
Speaker 2: Sheer joy.
Speaker 3: You could the joy was palpable at that point because
Speaker 3: at that point it wasn't even about Gavin, but it's
Speaker 3: just about us being excited, and he just happened to
Speaker 3: instigate that excitement. But those squeals when they trailed off,
Speaker 3: that was more about just sharing joy between the girls.
Speaker 3: He was.
Speaker 1: He knew. Oh what a time. Well, thanks for bringing
Speaker 1: that back, Mickey.
Speaker 4: It's my pleasure going through.
Speaker 2: The archives hearing that.
Speaker 1: I was like when that was serious, horrible, horrible news. Guys,
Speaker 1: out of the world. About a week or two ago,
Speaker 1: o'meagle shut down. It closed up shop, it shut its doors.
Speaker 1: I do believe there's still chat Roulette though, just right
Speaker 1: off the top of the dome in case you're feeling
Speaker 1: really sad about this one, guys, but o'meagle now looks
Speaker 1: like a great raveyard. We've got a screenshot of what
Speaker 1: it looks like. It's a gray screen. And that's not
Speaker 1: just because this is okay, it's because it's rendered in
Speaker 1: brack and light. But okay, this is what I said,
Speaker 1: dear strangers. From the moment I discovered the Internet at
Speaker 1: a young age, it has been a magical place to me.
Speaker 1: The Internet opened the door to a much larger, more diverse,
Speaker 1: and more vibrant world than I would have otherwise been
Speaker 1: able to experience, and enabled me to be an active
Speaker 1: participant in and contributor to her the world. I've done
Speaker 1: my best to weather the attacks with the interests of
Speaker 1: her Megle's users and the broader principle in mind. If
Speaker 1: something as simple as meeting round or new people is forbidden,
Speaker 1: what's next that is far and away removed from anything
Speaker 1: that would be considered a reasonable compromise of the principle
Speaker 1: I outlined. Analogies are a limited tool, but a physical
Speaker 1: world analogy might be shutting down Central Park because crime
Speaker 1: occurs there. Unfortunately, what's right doesn't always prevail. As much
Speaker 1: as I wish circumstances are different. The stress and expense
Speaker 1: of this fight, coupled with the existing stress and expense
Speaker 1: of operating a magle and fighting its misuse, are simply
Speaker 1: too much. Operating a mex.
Speaker 2: Uses child predators.
Speaker 1: Okay, that wasn't clear. Okay, the battle for Ameagle has
Speaker 1: been lost, but the warriancy Internet rages on. Virtually every
Speaker 1: online communication service has been subject to the same kinds
Speaker 1: of attacks as o'meagel, and while some of them are
Speaker 1: much larger companies with much greater resources, coming.
Speaker 3: Respectfully, it's giving.
Speaker 2: Crossant like omeagle, omegle O, what.
Speaker 1: Was I saying, ogel, omagel, And while some of them
Speaker 1: are much larger companies with the greater resources, they all
Speaker 1: have their breaking points somewhere Okay, then let's go Facebook.
Speaker 1: I worry that unless the tide turns through the Internet
Speaker 1: I fell in love with may cease to exist and
Speaker 1: its place, we will have something closer to a souped
Speaker 1: up version of TV, focus largely on passive consumption and
Speaker 1: much less opportunity for active participation in general connection. That's
Speaker 1: like the Union bubber statement, the manifesto what do we
Speaker 1: think girls?
Speaker 2: Wow?
Speaker 3: I mean, he's got a point, but the point he
Speaker 3: made first was correct. You can know all the ways
Speaker 3: that things could be better, but he alone cannot change
Speaker 3: the world, and he alone can't be responsible for platforming
Speaker 3: the evildoers of the world, Like he's so closely associated
Speaker 3: that narrative by proxy of making this tool that was
Speaker 3: meant to help everyone, or at least connect everyone.
Speaker 1: Surely he knew people were going to start showing bits,
Speaker 1: not at all.
Speaker 3: I think we would all be surprised what we as
Speaker 3: individuals have consciously and unconsciously encouraged others to do just
Speaker 3: by existing. Hmm. That's even without speaking. Now you add
Speaker 3: the speaking into it and you're like, well, where does
Speaker 3: this go? How many times we've been how many times
Speaker 3: have we been misinterpreted or misunderstood or a joke hasn't landed.
Speaker 3: I could imagine, And luckily we don't have a bunch
Speaker 3: of predators associating with us. M imagine if we did scary.
Speaker 1: My favorite amagal memory is I must have been. That
Speaker 1: was more of a chat relate girl. There was like
Speaker 1: this software or something hap people would pretend to be
Speaker 1: Justin Bieber and they'd be like a pre recorded video
Speaker 1: of Justin sitting on it and he'd be.
Speaker 2: Like, oh my god, it's Justin Bieber when.
Speaker 1: I was nine. So yeah, long live it. That's an
Speaker 1: interesting mission statement by old mate. It is a bit sad.
Speaker 1: I guess I'm glad he said what it was as
Speaker 1: supposed been. Like, it's been a lovely time.
Speaker 2: Goodbye, Ruin.
Speaker 3: He's like, you people ruined it. You ruined it, You
Speaker 3: ruined everything, and now I have the suffer. Over the
Speaker 3: last couple of years, if not for the entire life
Speaker 3: of humans, people have been speculating that men's friendships aren't complex,
Speaker 3: they're not as deep as women's friendships. You can't expect
Speaker 3: men to know much about their friends. They don't ever
Speaker 3: know the details. You can't ask men for clarifying questions
Speaker 3: about their friends because everything is service level and vye
Speaker 3: And you know, I have definitely thought that beforehand, just
Speaker 3: observing some men's friendships.
Speaker 2: But then on the other.
Speaker 3: Hand, I have said a lot in my time, I
Speaker 3: really end the bromances. I don't envy a lot of things,
Speaker 3: but I like observing the lightness of all, like the
Speaker 3: superficiality of men's friendships sometimes where they feel really immeshed
Speaker 3: and integrated when they're together, very separate when they're apart,
Speaker 3: and that it doesn't become like a negative assessment on
Speaker 3: the friendship as a whole. Let's not get into generalizations,
Speaker 3: but let's talk about this video from You've All the Terrible,
Speaker 3: a man who is pleading his case for the complexity
Speaker 3: of male friendships.
Speaker 5: The reason why male friendships seem to last a lifetime
Speaker 5: is because they lack depth. A lot of men have
Speaker 5: surface level friendships with their friends. They only bond over sports, music,
Speaker 5: or shared interests like going to the club either.
Speaker 6: I think a lot of this conversation is stepping from
Speaker 6: what I believe to be a fundamental misunderstanding into how
Speaker 6: exactly male friendships work. Calling male friendship superficial, I think
Speaker 6: not only misunderstands the things that men value in a
Speaker 6: friendship or a relationship, but I also think it misunderstands
Speaker 6: the things that all of us value within a friendship.
Speaker 2: Here's how I see this.
Speaker 6: I believe that men actually value the same kind of
Speaker 6: intimate relationships with their friends that women do. I think
Speaker 6: the big fundamental difference is how men and women go
Speaker 6: about attaining those intimate and personal relationships. One of the
Speaker 6: examples she brings up in terms of how male friendships
Speaker 6: can be superficial is the fact that it seems a
Speaker 6: lot of men don't even know their friends' birthdays.
Speaker 2: But this is not.
Speaker 6: An indication on how male friendships are actually just really superficial.
Speaker 6: This is an example of how men don't really care
Speaker 6: about superficial information. It's not that male friendships are superficial.
Speaker 6: In fact, I woud say it's almost exactly the opposite.
Speaker 6: I would say it's that men typically are not concerned
Speaker 6: with the superficial level, so they almost skip over that entirely.
Speaker 1: You lost me, king, you had me and you lost it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: how did you lose you? What is this about? Then
Speaker 1: saying that that is superficial the birthday?
Speaker 3: Well, then it's interesting that you make that point also
Speaker 3: because in the comments, people are like, you kind of
Speaker 3: have me into the birthday thing, because it's not superficial
Speaker 3: to acknowledge when somebody was born, but in the context
Speaker 3: of your relationship. He went on to say, it's very
Speaker 3: long video, and there were follow ups, but he goes
Speaker 3: on to say that what I meant is that what
Speaker 3: he meant is that men generally go the distance, and
Speaker 3: the longer you engage in that friendship, more information reveals itself.
Speaker 3: So while you may not know the exact date today,
Speaker 3: if you're going to be friends for a year, a
Speaker 3: birthday will come up, you'll celebrate it, you'll note it down.
Speaker 3: While you may not know right now what their strengths
Speaker 3: and weaknesses are, and while you may not care to ask,
Speaker 3: you'll make an assessment of that as you get to
Speaker 3: know them when time passes. So the point he was
Speaker 3: going on to make is that it feels like what
Speaker 3: women are observing about women's friendships that isn't superficial is
Speaker 3: that we have this want and need to know everything
Speaker 3: about who we plan to be friends with.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: We want to make sure that we're aligned, we have
Speaker 3: the same values, the same morals, the same interest, the
Speaker 3: same aesthetics now and if we don't, we'll find a
Speaker 3: different friend Whereas men, in his opinion, are willing to
Speaker 3: do the actual soil and toil of a friendship to
Speaker 3: determine if there are equality is there that make them
Speaker 3: good friends? Once you can only really discover if you
Speaker 3: are actually friends.
Speaker 1: That's quite romantic. It is romantic. See, it just can't be.
Speaker 1: We can't boy this down though, to like gender genzo,
Speaker 1: because tell me why, all of the homosexual men in
Speaker 1: my life are just as open as the heterosexual girls,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So it's a socialization thing
Speaker 1: there you go. I'm like, men can do it just
Speaker 1: as well. And then to the men that are socialized
Speaker 1: to be straight, and you know, obviously that's a generalization.
Speaker 1: But in my friendship group, for my best these are
Speaker 1: gay men and it's like one of the girlies. So
Speaker 1: I think that is a socialization thing, to which I say,
Speaker 1: my poor straight men, because how boring. I love us
Speaker 1: all having fun together and they love it too.
Speaker 3: Seriously, what I will say, the flaws of friendship are
Speaker 3: universal and genderleist, though, because I think most people struggle
Speaker 3: with feeling deep, deep, deep intimacy and always on to like,
Speaker 3: for example, what the back and forth that he was
Speaker 3: having with another creator. They got bad are bad, but
Speaker 3: points that were made. I'm not going to sign them
Speaker 3: to whatever party just you know, you get the gist.
Speaker 3: But the point that was being made is that regardless
Speaker 3: of whether the positive qualities like the positive qualities, both
Speaker 3: friendships exists. But the negative qualities are universal in the
Speaker 3: sense that no matter how deep your friendships feel that
Speaker 3: they are, they're also fragile in the sense that when
Speaker 3: you really feel like you need a friend, you often
Speaker 3: can't find one. When you really feel disconnected from the world,
Speaker 3: sometimes friendship doesn't make up for that. And so the
Speaker 3: critique isn't about gender. It's about how we're socialized to
Speaker 3: be friends and what that actually looks like in different
Speaker 3: life stages and for different needs states, and how for
Speaker 3: the most part, they're transactional in a way where we're
Speaker 3: honoring the illusion of friendship and not the reality of
Speaker 3: what it is to be each other's friends.
Speaker 2: You're listening to flex and frooms.
Speaker 3: On cater Some new studies have shown that drinking on
Speaker 3: dates is dead, it's played out, it's a faux part.
Speaker 3: It's dried up, it's carcass like it's lam. And I'm
Speaker 3: not surprised. I will say five years ago, all of
Speaker 3: a sudden in marketing and events, which is a big
Speaker 3: push for zero alcohol drinks, and it was coming out
Speaker 3: of nowhere, and all these brands were claiming that non
Speaker 3: alcohol was the new vibe. And because I don't really drink,
Speaker 3: people kept approaching me to be their spokespersons for their
Speaker 3: non alcoholic alcohol. But the whole point that I didn't
Speaker 3: get was it was like zero percent alcohol but still
Speaker 3: tastes like alcohol, which for me, that's the worst part.
Speaker 3: Make a higher end juice. You can't even get juices
Speaker 3: that are high end these days. Anyway, Vice came out
Speaker 3: and they published a survey from a dating app called Flirtini.
Speaker 1: Have you heard of it?
Speaker 3: No, sounds very American that claims that one in four
Speaker 3: men and one in five women would turn down a
Speaker 3: second date with someone who got drunk on the first one.
Speaker 1: Oh, I have a little bit of fun, guys.
Speaker 3: And they also said that fifty percent of women and
Speaker 3: twenty eight percent of men never drink alcohol on the
Speaker 3: first date. They're not Australia I'm gonna say this isn't right.
Speaker 3: But but the way that trends move, they start in
Speaker 3: America and they make their way to Australia eventually to
Speaker 3: your turnal, I will say, this article is claiming that
Speaker 3: it's a broader social shift away from excessive merriment and
Speaker 3: more towards intentional experiences, which I don't necessarily think that's it,
Speaker 3: because to imply that drinking alcohol in a celibratory way
Speaker 3: can't be intentional is false. And to claim that a
Speaker 3: drink on a date is excessive is false.
Speaker 1: And to say that merriment is a thing that's associated
Speaker 1: only with alcohol.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it feels like a lot of assumptions being made here.
Speaker 3: But I can understand removing the alcohol from the situation
Speaker 3: because I don't think people want to be clouded by
Speaker 3: their dating judgments anymore because of how traumatic they are.
Speaker 3: So people want to be clear headed, have a lot
Speaker 3: of clarity, don't want to invest more time than necessary.
Speaker 3: I want to see things as they are, and unfortunately
Speaker 3: that means reducing and removing some of the excesses that
Speaker 3: were initially there.
Speaker 1: I reckon, yeah, one or two on the first day,
Speaker 1: then you know, second date enjoy them. A third, Yeah,
Speaker 1: your with flexing frooms on cater So I'm having a
Speaker 1: why did your lip quiver? Perhaps I'm having traumatic flashbacks.
Speaker 1: If I'm perfectly honest, my mind's going.
Speaker 2: You saw that in realty.
Speaker 1: It was freaky.
Speaker 3: Your eyes glazed over and your lips, your chin quivered anything,
Speaker 3: My gosh.
Speaker 1: Regrets your flexing fruits on cater it's flexing frooms on cater.
Speaker 1: We are here with you until five pm. It's our
Speaker 1: last time, last times in the studio because we have
Speaker 1: consciously quit. Why have been around the bush?
Speaker 6: No.
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Speaker 1: And this is exactly why they say I can never
Speaker 1: take over music.
Speaker 3: That's what it would all sound like, just right on
Speaker 3: the quantized, no flavor and like you can't help it,
Speaker 3: buck to.
Speaker 1: It, soulless, mindless perfect. That was honestly like I'm crying
Speaker 1: to hear that. Want to send you the file, like
Speaker 1: maybe once every it's annoying, but like, I want to
Speaker 1: listen to it.
Speaker 3: Again, like reata out retail playlist one more time. We
Speaker 3: don't have time.
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, honestly, that's incredible, Mickey, that was really good yourself.
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