WEBVTT - CARIN - AUSTRALIAN SURVIVOR - BONUS WEEK 6 - NETWORK 10 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:01.640 It's in the news today, but it was actually on 0:00:01.720 --> 0:00:02.840 TV Reload. 0:00:02.480 --> 0:00:03.560 The podcast last week. 0:00:03.560 --> 0:00:06.640 Thereby, Hey guys, welcome back to TV Reload. I want 0:00:06.640 --> 0:00:08.880 to thank you for clicking and downloading on today's episode 0:00:08.880 --> 0:00:12.600 with Karen, who absolutely deserves the chance to unpack that 0:00:12.760 --> 0:00:16.360 final Tribal Council experience on a strained Survivor brands versus 0:00:16.400 --> 0:00:19.840 Broad two. Love her moves or not, Karen's decision to 0:00:19.920 --> 0:00:23.919 tribal Council gave us an unforgettable TV moment. I was 0:00:23.960 --> 0:00:26.720 surprised to hear how much trolling she's received for what 0:00:26.880 --> 0:00:30.360 some may say was a self sabotaging play at the end. 0:00:30.560 --> 0:00:33.360 But let's not forget this is a TV show and 0:00:33.400 --> 0:00:36.800 the boldest players give us the best moments of the season, 0:00:37.000 --> 0:00:39.800 and that is why I'm thrilled that Karen is here 0:00:40.000 --> 0:00:42.680 to share her side of the story. In this episode, 0:00:42.760 --> 0:00:45.600 Karen breaks down exactly what was going through her mind 0:00:45.760 --> 0:00:48.720 as she took a high stakes gamble in week six. 0:00:49.120 --> 0:00:51.839 Karen will share her thoughts on the remaining players, all 0:00:51.880 --> 0:00:54.959 of them left in the competition, and drop some excellent 0:00:55.000 --> 0:00:58.440 exclusives along the way. I'll ask Karen about the reception 0:00:58.560 --> 0:01:01.040 she received at the jury of Villa and get her 0:01:01.120 --> 0:01:03.280 takes on some of the biggest moves that she made 0:01:03.320 --> 0:01:06.760 in the game. Plus, we will find out which castaways 0:01:06.840 --> 0:01:10.440 have become her lifelong friends, and of course, why she 0:01:10.560 --> 0:01:14.160 told Miles to shut his legs. There's actually so much 0:01:14.200 --> 0:01:18.160 to discuss, with plenty of behind the scenes revelations, So 0:01:18.200 --> 0:01:21.360 sit back, relax, and let's dive into the incredible world 0:01:21.440 --> 0:01:25.000 of a Strained Survivor, which returns this Sunday night on 0:01:25.080 --> 0:01:28.440 Network ten. I'm excited to talk to you. How are 0:01:28.440 --> 0:01:29.319 you feeling this morning. 0:01:29.680 --> 0:01:34.120 I've just finished a night sift, so tie, But yeah, 0:01:34.120 --> 0:01:35.520 I know I've had you know, what's it? 0:01:35.520 --> 0:01:38.520 Golly? When did I get edited out last night? Night before? 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:41.680 Yeah, I've had thirty six hours of you know, unadulted 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:44.600 a week time to contend with my demons. 0:01:44.880 --> 0:01:47.480 What do you mean your demons? I mean it was 0:01:47.520 --> 0:01:50.000 an epic way to leave the show and everyone's going 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:51.200 to remember you forever. 0:01:51.480 --> 0:01:52.120 Oh yeah no. 0:01:52.200 --> 0:01:56.240 But by demons, I mean all of like the keyboard 0:01:56.240 --> 0:01:59.160 mafia calling me more on Those are the demons, amen. 0:01:59.120 --> 0:02:01.040 Current you know who this people are. Those people are 0:02:01.040 --> 0:02:03.320 a picture of a cat or a crow. They can't 0:02:03.360 --> 0:02:06.600 do these shows. They couldn't apply. They can't come for you, mate. 0:02:06.680 --> 0:02:09.040 Oh, like this is what happens when it's like three 0:02:09.080 --> 0:02:10.880 am and you're bored and you're waiting for an X 0:02:11.000 --> 0:02:12.800 ray to happen, and you're like I was read Reddit 0:02:12.840 --> 0:02:15.560 and you're like, no, don't read readit, but not like yeah, 0:02:15.560 --> 0:02:16.320 but no, it's all good. 0:02:16.520 --> 0:02:19.480 Nah, I feel good better gooder. Now there you go. 0:02:19.800 --> 0:02:21.760 You feel gooder, yeah, gooder better. 0:02:22.040 --> 0:02:23.760 You were so good on this show, though, Like I 0:02:23.800 --> 0:02:26.440 just thought you were so confident, and you're so well spoken, 0:02:26.520 --> 0:02:29.160 and you were so articulate. And I walked away thinking, 0:02:29.440 --> 0:02:31.600 even though people will come for you with the way 0:02:31.639 --> 0:02:33.240 that you came out of this show, I think you're 0:02:33.240 --> 0:02:34.080 a very smart lady. 0:02:34.360 --> 0:02:35.720 I like to think so too. 0:02:35.840 --> 0:02:38.680 I think a large percentage of the time I'm quite smart, 0:02:38.800 --> 0:02:42.360 am I sort of like boneheaded and stubborn, absolutely, But 0:02:42.560 --> 0:02:46.240 like I think, like the baseline IQ sort of subdues 0:02:46.280 --> 0:02:48.720 the boneheaded stubbornness, but sometimes it comes out. 0:02:48.720 --> 0:02:50.560 We can't blame we can't be perfect all the time. 0:02:50.600 --> 0:02:52.640 Paully said something to me about it, because I spoke 0:02:52.639 --> 0:02:55.880 to Paulli after yourope and he was like, I know 0:02:55.919 --> 0:02:57.840 people are going to say something about the way in 0:02:57.880 --> 0:03:00.600 which current came out of the show. Any sitting on 0:03:00.600 --> 0:03:04.639 their couch at home understand how tired, how hungry, and 0:03:04.680 --> 0:03:07.040 how I can't over the turn of phrase that he used. 0:03:07.040 --> 0:03:09.720 But sort of like you are at the wick, you know, 0:03:09.880 --> 0:03:13.720 like you are not operating like a person who's just 0:03:13.880 --> 0:03:16.080 ordered a pizza and it's having a glass of wine 0:03:16.240 --> 0:03:18.160 watching an aeron twenty minutes of television. 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:19.040 That's the thing. 0:03:19.240 --> 0:03:22.320 So like, even sort of the information I got was 0:03:22.560 --> 0:03:26.080 pretty much a minute thirty seconds into like going to tribal, 0:03:26.160 --> 0:03:29.320 and then you're just sort of going, okay, cool, these 0:03:29.360 --> 0:03:32.079 are the numbers. Wait a minute, she said, these are 0:03:32.080 --> 0:03:34.520 still one of the bizarre. That means they're on this 0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:36.360 side of the split. And then you get this sort 0:03:36.360 --> 0:03:39.400 of like split fatigue, and then you're going, Okay, who 0:03:39.520 --> 0:03:40.480 likes me? Who doesn't like me? 0:03:40.600 --> 0:03:42.000 Great? What am I going to do? How do I 0:03:42.000 --> 0:03:42.320 do this? 0:03:42.520 --> 0:03:42.680 Oh? 0:03:42.760 --> 0:03:45.120 Crap, I can't talk to anyone now because we're on 0:03:45.120 --> 0:03:48.240 the way to tribal. Okay, maybe you should just shut up. 0:03:48.400 --> 0:03:49.120 Maybe it's like. 0:03:49.280 --> 0:03:53.280 Just just keep your pie hole shut. And I was like, well, like, 0:03:53.360 --> 0:03:55.120 then if I keep my pie hole shut, I'll go 0:03:55.240 --> 0:03:56.960 to the next round. Then I have to grovel and 0:03:56.960 --> 0:03:58.440 beg and like, I'm. 0:03:58.280 --> 0:04:02.160 So sorry, aj My was ha ha ha. I'm back again. 0:04:02.560 --> 0:04:06.360 Please love me, even though I've you know, essentially ran 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:09.160 a smear campaign against you for the last fourteen days. 0:04:09.320 --> 0:04:10.640 I'm sorry, I'll change. 0:04:10.960 --> 0:04:13.280 I was watching it, but I've done competition reality, so 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:15.320 I know what it's like. And I think that when 0:04:15.320 --> 0:04:19.000 you're very stressed in those environments, things can change in 0:04:19.040 --> 0:04:22.240 a minute, and so it's very easy to let your 0:04:22.240 --> 0:04:24.560 emotions get the better of you. And in some other 0:04:24.600 --> 0:04:28.679 competition reality letting the emotions get the better of you works. 0:04:29.000 --> 0:04:31.520 But for this game and those people out there that 0:04:31.720 --> 0:04:35.279 study this game, they think you can't be emotional the 0:04:35.320 --> 0:04:37.359 way that you were. But I mean it could have 0:04:37.480 --> 0:04:40.640 very easily worked. I mean that's what Russian rule it is, right. 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:43.200 Yeah, well, I mean that was like, so I got 0:04:43.200 --> 0:04:45.960 my read on that situation wrong in two parts. Like 0:04:46.160 --> 0:04:50.640 I understand that in hindsight, I didn't realize how close 0:04:51.040 --> 0:04:54.479 Kaylen was to ag like and that's a credit to Kaylen. 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:56.960 Klein and I had a very very good relationship in 0:04:57.880 --> 0:04:58.279 the game. 0:04:58.640 --> 0:05:01.240 Wasn't shown very well. We had a very good relationship. 0:05:01.240 --> 0:05:04.280 We come from sort of similar sporting backgrounds, We sort 0:05:04.279 --> 0:05:07.000 of understand each other in a similar way as well. 0:05:07.240 --> 0:05:10.800 And I knew it would be hard to switch him on, 0:05:11.120 --> 0:05:13.720 but like I figured a knee jerk event was the 0:05:13.720 --> 0:05:15.440 only way to kip him over the age. 0:05:15.480 --> 0:05:16.560 But I didn't realize how. 0:05:16.560 --> 0:05:19.719 Entrenched he was with AJ and like it didn't make 0:05:19.839 --> 0:05:23.560 sense for Kristen and Logan to turn like it did 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:26.960 not make sense given that Kristen was someone that I'd 0:05:27.000 --> 0:05:30.479 been protecting since Tribe Swap when it came down to 0:05:30.560 --> 0:05:31.920 like the hostage situations. 0:05:32.160 --> 0:05:32.720 And then like. 0:05:32.800 --> 0:05:35.679 Zara had built such a close relationship with PD, PD 0:05:35.800 --> 0:05:38.560 and I would have many chats across the map in 0:05:38.600 --> 0:05:41.840 TRIBESWAP as well, so I'd already built a relationship in 0:05:41.880 --> 0:05:45.640 that regard Logan, I've been sort of saving since the 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:48.359 start in like Brain's one point zero, So it didn't 0:05:48.360 --> 0:05:50.880 really make sense for them to sort of put themselves 0:05:50.880 --> 0:05:54.400 onto a bottom of an already existing majority, like, which 0:05:54.480 --> 0:05:56.920 is why it sort of just went, hey, I've like 0:05:57.000 --> 0:06:01.080 I've given you zero like risk to you in this point, 0:06:01.360 --> 0:06:04.080 Like we can hit anyone, we hit anyone, I'm going 0:06:04.120 --> 0:06:06.000 to get like we'll give you an options. Because Miles 0:06:06.040 --> 0:06:08.440 seems to be the lowest hanging fruit that everyone wants 0:06:08.480 --> 0:06:08.920 to go for. 0:06:09.320 --> 0:06:10.040 We can go there. 0:06:10.160 --> 0:06:12.279 We can just hit aj and if he has an idol, 0:06:12.320 --> 0:06:14.080 it doesn't really matter because you still get me out 0:06:14.080 --> 0:06:14.680 in the process. 0:06:14.720 --> 0:06:16.440 So like zero cost you. 0:06:16.600 --> 0:06:19.120 I was hoping that it would sort of tickle the 0:06:19.279 --> 0:06:22.800 resume building side of their brains a little bit, to 0:06:22.839 --> 0:06:25.880 be like, you know, you're currently up against huge game 0:06:25.880 --> 0:06:29.440 players who are throwing wild moves back, left, right, and center, 0:06:29.640 --> 0:06:32.520 and now you've got an opportunity to put yourself into 0:06:32.560 --> 0:06:35.280 one and potentially turn the hierarchy in the game. 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:36.640 Take it, Take it. 0:06:36.720 --> 0:06:39.360 I mean Kristin tried to help you, and I think 0:06:39.400 --> 0:06:43.159 that had Kristen's advice to you, if you just let 0:06:43.160 --> 0:06:46.159 that wash over you and just sort of changed a 0:06:46.160 --> 0:06:48.560 few decisions, you might have still been in the competition. 0:06:48.800 --> 0:06:51.720 But I also worry at this point for everyone that's 0:06:51.800 --> 0:06:55.560 left that's not Miles, who has a resume that everyone 0:06:55.640 --> 0:06:58.000 is going to vote for when we get to jury. 0:06:58.160 --> 0:06:59.640 That's what I want to know at this point. 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:01.240 Again, it's really important. 0:07:01.279 --> 0:07:04.520 I mean, like you can so currently in the game, 0:07:04.560 --> 0:07:07.120 there are people that can pitch a. 0:07:07.160 --> 0:07:08.479 Very strong jury pitch. 0:07:08.720 --> 0:07:12.239 AJ can build an incredible jury pitch from what he's done, Yes, 0:07:12.360 --> 0:07:14.400 does it look like he's a bit chaotic, but he 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:19.040 still managed to escape multiple attents at him, and. 0:07:18.960 --> 0:07:19.720 He can pitch. 0:07:20.080 --> 0:07:22.640 He's had the most audacious plan, which you know we 0:07:22.640 --> 0:07:25.160 were all part of, to take hostages, and he still 0:07:25.200 --> 0:07:27.440 pro survived to merge. He's still managed to sort of 0:07:27.440 --> 0:07:30.400 band a loyal army around him that are very reluctant 0:07:30.400 --> 0:07:33.040 to vote against them even when it's in their best interests. 0:07:33.160 --> 0:07:35.960 Miles has an incredible resume, which which is evident, and 0:07:36.000 --> 0:07:39.040 he's stacking up votes left, right, and center. We're looking 0:07:39.040 --> 0:07:42.320 at like quite possibly record breaking numbers for Miles at 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:42.840 this point. 0:07:43.000 --> 0:07:45.400 And the weird thing is that I didn't like him 0:07:45.440 --> 0:07:47.960 to start with. I didn't enjoy him on the show 0:07:48.120 --> 0:07:50.400 for so long, and now he's been around for so 0:07:50.520 --> 0:07:52.480 long and he's pulled so many moves. I'm starting to 0:07:52.520 --> 0:07:54.480 think that he's queen beat, do you know what I mean? Like, 0:07:54.520 --> 0:07:55.240 it's so weird. 0:07:55.880 --> 0:07:58.200 It's the weird thing about. 0:07:57.920 --> 0:08:01.680 Miles is like, yeah, he's like it's so frontal when 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:05.000 it comes to how he expresses himself, and it comes 0:08:05.000 --> 0:08:06.560 off across incredibly. 0:08:06.080 --> 0:08:08.280 Annoying at the start, and you're like, oh my god. 0:08:08.520 --> 0:08:11.400 But then you get to the crux of who Miles 0:08:11.440 --> 0:08:15.040 is and it's actually quite endearing, hilarious, and then like 0:08:15.240 --> 0:08:17.920 the word vomit you get sometimes when he goes off 0:08:17.960 --> 0:08:21.520 on a tangent is hilarious and also like great white noise. 0:08:21.560 --> 0:08:23.400 I remember asking him about I don't know. We were 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:25.480 looking at the stars and then I got like twenty 0:08:25.560 --> 0:08:29.280 minutes of string theory and whether a photon transmits as 0:08:29.280 --> 0:08:32.240 a wave or a particle, and I went, Miles, it's 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:33.320 two am. 0:08:33.440 --> 0:08:35.200 It's two am. I don't know what time it is, 0:08:35.200 --> 0:08:37.600 but it feels like I've been talking to you forever. 0:08:38.160 --> 0:08:40.480 I literally, Yeah, was it you that told him to 0:08:40.559 --> 0:08:42.240 keep his legs shut? At one point I thought that 0:08:42.360 --> 0:08:45.200 was iconic. It was like Marshall Heines on Australian Idol 0:08:45.280 --> 0:08:47.439 years ago. She was like, listen, honey, put your legs together. 0:08:47.960 --> 0:08:48.320 Was that you? 0:08:48.800 --> 0:08:52.240 Yeah? That was very Miles legs. 0:08:52.160 --> 0:08:54.360 Them together, you know, And it's not something that we 0:08:54.480 --> 0:08:58.000 really hear often with people saying that to men. But 0:08:58.040 --> 0:08:59.720 do you know what one of my pet peeves is 0:09:00.440 --> 0:09:02.560 men that men spread? Do you know what I mean, 0:09:02.600 --> 0:09:04.600 Like men that sit there with their legs really spread. 0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:06.320 I'm always like, put that away. I don't know if 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:08.360 you watch enough television or was watch as much as 0:09:08.400 --> 0:09:10.520 I do, but hay much Blake did it on Celebrity 0:09:10.520 --> 0:09:12.760 goggle Box and I got five minutes into the show 0:09:12.760 --> 0:09:15.160 and I was like, no, that's not it. 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:20.680 You're taking far too much space less damn legs. 0:09:21.040 --> 0:09:25.440 What made you reluctant to join rejoin the graduates? Like 0:09:25.679 --> 0:09:27.880 I felt like you you didn't want to do. 0:09:27.880 --> 0:09:33.240 That, Like the graduates started because we were so tired 0:09:33.280 --> 0:09:35.600 of all of it was really nice at the start 0:09:35.679 --> 0:09:38.280 because we were just communicating. We were making all these 0:09:38.280 --> 0:09:41.320 plans and we would make like real brash decisions, but 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:44.080 it was all like a good amount of communication. 0:09:44.520 --> 0:09:45.839 For example, like Asian. 0:09:45.559 --> 0:09:48.240 And I had raging insomnia at the start of you know, 0:09:48.640 --> 0:09:51.160 when we were on Brains and it was literally just 0:09:51.280 --> 0:09:54.200 the two of us talking of four hours because we 0:09:54.280 --> 0:09:57.440 couldn't go to sleep. And then you tack in miles 0:09:57.480 --> 0:09:59.720 to the conversation later on and we're like, oh, great, 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:01.520 were oh I think quite similar. 0:10:01.800 --> 0:10:02.920 This is really fun. 0:10:03.240 --> 0:10:05.440 All of those people are way smarter than me, Like 0:10:05.600 --> 0:10:06.959 you're all above my pay grade. 0:10:07.160 --> 0:10:10.480 They're ridiculously smart, Like oh my god, like what are you? 0:10:10.520 --> 0:10:12.720 Oh yeah, sure add me to the list. 0:10:13.040 --> 0:10:15.600 But like, I think the relationship breakdown was definitely like 0:10:15.679 --> 0:10:18.680 AJ and I like at the start we would communicate 0:10:18.760 --> 0:10:21.880 really well, and then he would sort of get this 0:10:21.960 --> 0:10:24.880 like wild idea and I'd go, no, AJ, that's not 0:10:24.920 --> 0:10:28.000 going to work because X, Y Z number exists, or 0:10:28.000 --> 0:10:30.679 how do you know, because I'm working with those numbers, 0:10:30.760 --> 0:10:32.400 you're not going to get them. And he's going, Okay, no, 0:10:32.440 --> 0:10:34.320 actually I can get them, and i'ment, no, you can't, 0:10:34.440 --> 0:10:37.000 Please don't do that, and then he would go do it, 0:10:37.080 --> 0:10:39.120 and I went, I told you so. I literally took 0:10:39.120 --> 0:10:41.640 it like this was like you know him. When he 0:10:41.720 --> 0:10:43.480 wanted to get out Logan, he came to me and 0:10:43.559 --> 0:10:45.160 I said, AJ, you don't have the numbers. 0:10:45.280 --> 0:10:45.839 Well, how do you know? 0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:48.360 Because I'm working with all four of the girls that 0:10:48.400 --> 0:10:50.120 you want to work with, they are not going to 0:10:50.200 --> 0:10:52.040 turn Oh but I can do it. Okay, go do it. 0:10:52.080 --> 0:10:54.040 Then comes back I can't do it. I'm like, great, 0:10:54.200 --> 0:10:57.000 now you've added yourself. Now I've got to save your 0:10:57.000 --> 0:11:00.719 ass by giving this like Kokammy story to Logan and 0:11:00.800 --> 0:11:01.400 be like, oh, I. 0:11:01.400 --> 0:11:04.160 Don't know, like I've not heard this at all. He's 0:11:04.200 --> 0:11:05.240 not going. 0:11:04.920 --> 0:11:07.640 For you, except that that's all he's been talking about 0:11:07.679 --> 0:11:09.079 and wrote a novel about it. 0:11:09.559 --> 0:11:12.840 Yeah, And then like we get to the next stage 0:11:12.880 --> 0:11:15.040 where Miles and I had a really good working relationship 0:11:15.080 --> 0:11:17.560 and the graduates had like, you know, almost seventy five 0:11:17.559 --> 0:11:19.800 percent formed, where Miles was like, great, I'm going to 0:11:19.840 --> 0:11:21.800 give you all of the information that's going from this 0:11:21.920 --> 0:11:25.280 bomb squad. So when AJ pulled this out of hat, 0:11:25.360 --> 0:11:28.200 I already knew it existed, and I'm like, well, Miles 0:11:28.240 --> 0:11:31.400 gave me all this information. You didn't who I've been 0:11:31.440 --> 0:11:35.199 talking to since like our twenty four of this game. 0:11:35.679 --> 0:11:40.360 It's okay, okay, cool, We're stacking more information. Then we 0:11:40.400 --> 0:11:42.600 get to tribe swap and I'm like, you're very like 0:11:42.640 --> 0:11:45.320 the hostage plan was just a conversation where Agent I 0:11:45.360 --> 0:11:46.720 went who do you want to get rid of? And 0:11:46.840 --> 0:11:48.600 both of us said the same names together and we 0:11:48.640 --> 0:11:51.559 went great. And then I said, okay, what if we 0:11:52.120 --> 0:11:55.320 offer up saving Ursula as like a like a peace 0:11:55.320 --> 0:11:57.960 offering to the likes of PD. And then AJ was like, well, 0:11:58.000 --> 0:12:00.000 why don't we just like reverse it? Make hold them 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:01.959 hostage and then do it. And I'm like, well that 0:12:02.080 --> 0:12:05.000 sounds kind of comes, sounds kind of fun. All right, cool, 0:12:05.080 --> 0:12:07.600 let's do it, but let's like, let's maybe just set 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:09.920 the scene a bit, create a bit of mood lighting, 0:12:10.040 --> 0:12:12.240 fake thunder, and then do it as opposed to just 0:12:12.280 --> 0:12:14.959 like hauling off straight in there being like I'm walking 0:12:15.000 --> 0:12:18.160 them off a plank and I'm like, okay, now everyone's mad. 0:12:18.559 --> 0:12:19.839 Okay, And then like. 0:12:19.920 --> 0:12:22.840 You'd get like filter fed bits of information, being like, man, 0:12:22.880 --> 0:12:25.240 I had this conversation with you, and now I'm getting 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:29.200 like five different versions of you creating this back so 0:12:29.760 --> 0:12:33.920 like and then I'm stubborn and petty, and sometimes if 0:12:33.920 --> 0:12:36.400 I see an opportunity to be stubborn and petty, I'm 0:12:36.440 --> 0:12:38.760 gonna take it, just because that's who I am as 0:12:38.800 --> 0:12:41.920 a person. Like I don't like like at that point, 0:12:41.920 --> 0:12:43.920 it was just pissing off AJ, because I could piss 0:12:43.920 --> 0:12:46.280 off AJ and he would be just mad at me 0:12:46.320 --> 0:12:48.839 because it's irrational and logical, and he'd just be like. 0:12:48.800 --> 0:12:49.600 Why are you doing this. 0:12:49.679 --> 0:12:51.600 I'm like, well, I'm doing it because it's funny. He's 0:12:51.600 --> 0:12:52.520 like yeah, but I don't get it. 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:54.400 I'm like and like yeah, of course, like you know, 0:12:55.000 --> 0:12:56.400 like you don't like you can. 0:12:56.320 --> 0:12:58.080 Tell people you have an idol and whatever, but like 0:12:58.080 --> 0:12:59.880 you know, I was like, cool, lo, I was hanging fruit. 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:01.800 I'm going to grab onto this and keep hanging onto 0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:04.800 this because nah. But yeah, maybe maybe that was sort 0:13:04.800 --> 0:13:06.520 of like my downfall as well. But yeah, that's why 0:13:06.520 --> 0:13:09.600 I like the graduates was like such a finnicky position 0:13:09.679 --> 0:13:11.720 for me, because I was just like, I don't know 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:14.800 if I can trust you enough anymore. And as much 0:13:14.840 --> 0:13:17.240 as you say all these things to me, I see 0:13:17.280 --> 0:13:19.920 you forming these relationships with like Kate and Morgan. I 0:13:19.960 --> 0:13:23.600 see you going to other people like you're creating an 0:13:23.760 --> 0:13:26.400 escape route, and like, understandably. 0:13:26.040 --> 0:13:26.520 So was I. 0:13:27.120 --> 0:13:31.080 So if you're escaping everyone exactly, I'm like, you're creating 0:13:31.280 --> 0:13:34.240 a life raft out of the graduates. I'm creating a 0:13:34.240 --> 0:13:37.560 life raft out of the red graduates. So ipso facto, 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:39.080 this is just convenience. 0:13:39.120 --> 0:13:39.360 Now. 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:41.640 You know what's interesting as well is that I feel 0:13:41.640 --> 0:13:44.560 like with Kaylin and Kristen, they're like house pets that 0:13:44.600 --> 0:13:47.360 have now become like a problem. You know, when you 0:13:47.400 --> 0:13:49.280 go to people's houses and you realize that the pets 0:13:49.280 --> 0:13:51.040 are at the top of the food chain. You're like, 0:13:51.360 --> 0:13:53.800 how has this happened? He's a golden retriever and she's 0:13:53.840 --> 0:13:56.880 a kitten, like and they're somehow now contenders to win. 0:13:57.360 --> 0:14:00.559 It's Kaitlyn's game has been really understated. 0:14:00.360 --> 0:14:03.040 To be honest, like until I saw well, like the 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:06.200 last episode where he's actively telling Jlpeter not tell us 0:14:06.200 --> 0:14:07.920 how far he was ahead of, you know, in the 0:14:07.960 --> 0:14:10.160 puzzle challenge, Like you know, Miles and I had the 0:14:10.200 --> 0:14:11.720 chat and we were like, I thought he was about 0:14:11.720 --> 0:14:14.760 a challenge like path puzzles we took like twenty five 0:14:14.800 --> 0:14:16.360 minutes because you know, I was like, I know how 0:14:16.360 --> 0:14:19.760 long I took to throw that down like sandbag, So I. 0:14:19.720 --> 0:14:21.240 Was like, why is he taking so long to finish 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:22.040 this stupid puzzle? 0:14:22.200 --> 0:14:25.160 But now that was like an absolutely calculated move, and 0:14:25.200 --> 0:14:26.240 you're like, oh, well. 0:14:26.200 --> 0:14:27.280 Damn Klen okay. 0:14:27.560 --> 0:14:31.280 But then obviously, like when we were in Brains one 0:14:31.320 --> 0:14:33.880 point oh and Tribes what, there were moments where Klen 0:14:33.960 --> 0:14:37.200 would literally go out for a snorkel when we were 0:14:37.240 --> 0:14:40.120 doing Stratchat like would just be like no, no, no, 0:14:40.240 --> 0:14:41.920 you guys, give me a name and then just go 0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:44.520 off into the ocean and we're going But oh, okay, 0:14:44.840 --> 0:14:48.440 whether that's sort of like cool, you know, like absolute 0:14:48.440 --> 0:14:50.160 confidence and credit to him if you're like, I am 0:14:50.160 --> 0:14:52.720 so confident in my social ability, I do not even 0:14:52.800 --> 0:14:54.360 need to go into a stratchat. 0:14:54.480 --> 0:14:56.680 I don't need it. I'm that comfortable. 0:14:56.840 --> 0:14:59.280 What's interesting as well to me is about what you 0:14:59.360 --> 0:15:01.960 accuse people of doing in this game as a negative 0:15:02.040 --> 0:15:04.560 is something that everyone does by nature. I think, you know, 0:15:04.680 --> 0:15:08.640 accusing aj of changing plans, but you were changing plans 0:15:08.640 --> 0:15:12.080 as well, just about labeling people, I think and hoping 0:15:12.080 --> 0:15:13.560 that those labels don't fall on you. 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:17.080 I guess, yeah, no, absolutely, and it's completely contradictory. Like 0:15:17.240 --> 0:15:19.840 the reason like I'm getting so upset is because, like 0:15:20.160 --> 0:15:23.520 I'm trying to counter all of the moves that he's making, and. 0:15:23.480 --> 0:15:25.720 It's very hard to predict when he keeps changing things, 0:15:25.800 --> 0:15:28.440 so I can't counter them. So I'm say, oh my god. 0:15:28.440 --> 0:15:29.960 Just do something in a straight line so I can 0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:32.760 actually mounted like a defense to this. In the same 0:15:32.800 --> 0:15:35.640 way that you know, when Paul got voted out, like 0:15:35.920 --> 0:15:38.840 you just have a sneaky suspicion, and which I did. 0:15:38.880 --> 0:15:40.600 I was like, Myles is going to try something, and 0:15:40.720 --> 0:15:43.120 Kristen's going to be the target because he doesn't want 0:15:43.240 --> 0:15:45.880 us dragging someone to the end. He wants it to 0:15:45.920 --> 0:15:48.440 be like this epic battle royality the end. That's what 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:51.200 Miles and AJ want. He doesn't want Christen to get dragged. 0:15:51.200 --> 0:15:52.240 And I was like, all right, cool, you're going to 0:15:52.280 --> 0:15:57.600 target Kristen. Okay, okay, okay, but's this is so frustrating. Okay, great, 0:15:57.680 --> 0:16:00.200 whose numbers are you going to get xyz? Okay, we 0:16:00.240 --> 0:16:03.400 need to pitch this. Your brain hurts and keep hurting 0:16:03.400 --> 0:16:05.880 as well. And yeah, so of course, like, yeah, cool, 0:16:05.960 --> 0:16:08.600 call me a hypocrite. Yeah cool, I won't plan ABC, 0:16:08.720 --> 0:16:10.880 but I will also do you know, be one point 0:16:10.920 --> 0:16:13.960 five and be three point four. But that's just it. 0:16:14.760 --> 0:16:16.640 And at that point I was ready to run any 0:16:16.680 --> 0:16:18.640 smear campaign against Aj at that you. 0:16:18.600 --> 0:16:21.480 Know you're on the jury. Yeah, it's time to forget 0:16:21.480 --> 0:16:23.920 about the way in which your game sort of fell 0:16:23.960 --> 0:16:26.520 apart and start now admiring people for the way in 0:16:26.560 --> 0:16:27.720 which they destroyed you. 0:16:27.880 --> 0:16:31.400 Absolutely, and like AJ is an incredible adversary. The reason, 0:16:31.480 --> 0:16:34.480 like I had so much fun being irritated at him 0:16:34.680 --> 0:16:36.920 was it was just great to just throw stuff at 0:16:37.000 --> 0:16:38.800 him and you'd be like, a right, cool, great, follow 0:16:38.840 --> 0:16:40.800 that back and you're like, oh damn, he's good again, 0:16:41.280 --> 0:16:44.400 and it's fun, Like mil is fun to watch as well, 0:16:44.680 --> 0:16:46.640 and like that's why the jury is so great because 0:16:46.680 --> 0:16:48.720 you just get to watch it all unfold and go 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:53.520 this is fantastic or oh my god, Karen's flaming out, idiot. 0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:56.640 The looks on everyone's face is Paully looks really bitchy 0:16:56.880 --> 0:16:58.960 at that jury, Like I don't know what was going on? 0:16:59.040 --> 0:17:01.320 Do you reckon that they cut up some really bitchy 0:17:01.800 --> 0:17:03.800 cups of him to make him look like that, Like 0:17:03.840 --> 0:17:06.280 he looked really mad, I know. 0:17:06.280 --> 0:17:08.280 But he's so hot when he looks mad. 0:17:08.320 --> 0:17:11.320 I call him sexy Jafar. How does that work for you? Yes? 0:17:11.680 --> 0:17:14.919 Or like you know Scarf from Lion King, like really the. 0:17:14.880 --> 0:17:16.840