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Speaker 1: Time for the week that was, and joining us this

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Speaker 1: morning from the COLP we've got Mary Clare booth By.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to.

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Speaker 3: You, wanting Katie and to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: And from the Northern Territory News we've got Cam Smith,

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Speaker 1: Good morning to you, Cam morning, Katy, good to have

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Speaker 1: you in the studio. And from the Labor Party we've

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Speaker 1: got Joel about and good morning to.

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Speaker 2: You, Joel.

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Speaker 1: Good morning, Can and Joel wearing your Nightcliff Tigers shirt

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Speaker 1: this morning.

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Speaker 4: Oh what a night it was last night. I'm down

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Speaker 4: at the Nightcliff Sports Club. The Round one teams are

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Speaker 4: announced because NTFL starts this week again, pizza debutantes for

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Speaker 4: the men's and heaps of excited women who were going

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Speaker 4: to roll out at ten am Saturday morning down at

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Speaker 4: TiO Stadium.

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Speaker 5: I'll be down there and it was a buzz.

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Speaker 4: Mark Dodge, a president reassumed his position as president Nightcliff

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Speaker 4: Football Club gave a rousing speech.

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Speaker 5: And the place was just on fire.

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Speaker 4: Chicken parmes, chicken snitchey.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know it's the you know, it's the footy

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Speaker 1: season when the chicken snitties are out.

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Speaker 5: Hey, it's a great good time.

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Speaker 1: In three minutes and it'll be It's going to be

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Speaker 1: a massive, massive season, there is no doubt about that,

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Speaker 1: and we'll talk about that a little later throughout the morning.

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Speaker 1: We did catch up with NFL NTAFL, i should say,

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Speaker 1: yesterday and heard just what they've got planned for the weekend.

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Speaker 1: So no doubt it's going to be a massive weekend.

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Speaker 1: But look, we do start this week with some well,

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Speaker 1: we started the whole week with some pretty terrible news,

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Speaker 1: and that was the fact that a lar Jamnu family,

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Speaker 1: including four young sisters, are believed to be the victims

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Speaker 1: in a horror highway crash which reduced their newly purchased

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Speaker 1: four will drive to a flaming fireball. Now the Northern

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Speaker 1: Territory News today reporting that it's understood the remote community

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Speaker 1: Central Desert Region Council worker, his wife and four children

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Speaker 1: believed to be involved in the Pine Creek crash on Friday.

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Speaker 1: Now the paper reporting that Central Desert Regional Council Chief

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Speaker 1: Executive Leslie Mandra has told the paper that it was

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Speaker 1: believed that a larger new Ranger was involved in the crash,

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Speaker 1: but until that formal identification process was complete.

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Speaker 2: He could not confirm this.

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Speaker 1: Now, no matter how you look at this, it was

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Speaker 1: an absolutely tragic situation that had unfolded on Friday afternoon.

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Speaker 1: Then when the police Commissioner, Michael Murphy joined us on

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Speaker 1: the show on Monday and confirmed that it was indeed

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Speaker 1: believe that four children's lives had been lost in that crash,

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Speaker 1: it stops you in your tracks.

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Speaker 2: It is.

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Speaker 1: It's devastating, a devastating situation.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and imagine I mean that poor family in the

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Speaker 3: so tragic. But also the drivers that were the ones

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think I heard the tour guide that

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Speaker 3: something that you will never forget for your whole life. Like,

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Speaker 3: it is absolutely tragic.

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Speaker 5: For all accounts agree.

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Speaker 4: It's awful when the first responders the scene earlier and

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Speaker 4: I'm a family of six, I've got four kids, and

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Speaker 4: we drive to our springs regularly. We drive up and

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Speaker 4: frightening things, right, is passing a road train or having

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Speaker 4: back to you how dangerous driving is and that potentially

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Speaker 4: and I've got a daughter who's just got her license.

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Speaker 4: We don't invest enough time in it, We don't invest

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly right. I mean, it's a terrible, terrible situation.

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Speaker 6: It's been a very sad week. Yeah, over all, a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it has it's and look, it has been a

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Speaker 2: We know that that there was a loss.

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Speaker 1: Of two lives, one incident believed to be domestic violence related,

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Speaker 1: You know that those whole you know, all of those

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Speaker 2: The victims were not known to the offenders.

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Speaker 1: So we're talking about terribly, terribly violent attacks in broad

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Speaker 1: a really sad indictment on the way in which things are.

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Speaker 2: Yeah at the moment.

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Speaker 3: Even yesterday, I was with a group of seniors out

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Speaker 3: And so when these incidents happen, and you know, we

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Speaker 3: I mean, we have had a horrendous week of crimes.

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Speaker 2: What we're having, what.

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Speaker 3: We have right now here in the territory is an

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Speaker 3: absolute diminishing of our lifestyle. I mean, the decisions that

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Speaker 4: It has been a terrible one yea, and all four

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Speaker 4: and we do have to continue to address the issues

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Speaker 5: There's no doubt in that.

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Speaker 4: Of which over the last little while there have been

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Speaker 3: It's become more brazen and more escalated. Like you know,

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Speaker 3: the couple of tweaks that the government has made, it

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Speaker 3: I think last time we were on the show, Joel,

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Speaker 5: We are continuing to work. We will never stop working.

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Speaker 4: There are amendments to legislation, there are new bits of legislation,

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Speaker 4: and it's incumbent upon everybody to take this on and

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Speaker 4: first and foremost responsibility, but then we have to actually

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Speaker 4: do so much better in the Kingdry That sort of.

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Speaker 1: Feels to me though, But the government hasn't wrapped their

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Speaker 1: And you know, I take on board what you'd said,

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Speaker 1: Mary Clair that the Chief Minister. I heard that interview

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Speaker 1: But it's like it's a bit far gone for that.

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Speaker 1: You know, we've sort of passed that point where the

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Speaker 3: Well, you need a chief Minister who leads, who leads

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Speaker 3: the policy ideas that they have when all of the

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Speaker 3: to strengthen the windows, not the law. I mean that

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Speaker 3: not about putting band aid solutions around a problem. This

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Speaker 3: keep going down this path. And at the moment this

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Speaker 3: government has showed no change in any of their policies

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Speaker 3: that's going to make a difference. I mean we saw

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Speaker 1: And look, I will go more into the OC spray

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Speaker 1: You've lived here. How many years you reckon twenty five? Kay,

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Speaker 6: The problems that we're talking about here, of course have

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Speaker 6: A suggestion as to what you can do about it,

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Speaker 6: I mean, the crime problems we've got at the moment

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Speaker 6: don't spend police money for political reasons. You know Theliff

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Speaker 6: There were incidents out at Nightcliff the other day, windows smashed,

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Speaker 2: No, there's no easy solution.

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Speaker 1: I know the property council came out yesterday and said,

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Speaker 1: what's concerning is that these incidents are no longer limited

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Speaker 1: They say that it's impacting the liveability, safety and reputation

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Speaker 7: It was. It was terrifying according to the people that

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Speaker 6: Including someone having an acts apparently held to held to

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Speaker 6: apparently there was another attempt to trespass as well, apparently

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Speaker 7: So there's a live issue added Grood.

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Speaker 6: At the moment the company's trying to deal with it

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Speaker 2: To well, we're not you know, like that's the thing.

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Speaker 1: Like I sort of heard it and thought, gee whiz,

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Speaker 1: this sounds like something you would actually expect to happen

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Speaker 1: in Papua New Guinea. This does not sound like something

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Speaker 1: when you talk that investment, a major major investment on

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Speaker 1: you know, like into the territory, it has a huge impact.

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Speaker 6: You see how hard it is to get projects up here.

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Speaker 6: A fewer Resources has been trying to set up for

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Speaker 6: fifteen years. It's not easy, and this doesn't make it easier.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, instance like.

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Speaker 3: This, Katie, This is something that Leah was talking about

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Speaker 3: the thing is, if you can't get workers to come here,

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Speaker 3: I mean Great Island. What's happening over there. That's that's

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Speaker 3: an example of this alternate justice system, which which is

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Speaker 3: clearly not working. I mean, you need to have workers

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Speaker 3: alleged that the offender was charged with a multiple accounts

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Speaker 5: That revolving door continues.

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Speaker 3: The impact that it has on our economy and our reputation,

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Speaker 3: it just does so so much damage. And then you know,

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Speaker 3: you'd have a government that doesn't come out and take

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Speaker 3: about these terrible incidences.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the fact is that people are being charged. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: the police are doing their job. People are being charged.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we've had it said before. The jails are

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Speaker 1: absolutely full. I asked the opposition leader, this is a

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Speaker 1: COLP committed to building a bigger jail. If you do

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Speaker 1: want to make these changes legislatively, it is going to

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Speaker 2: Our jail's not big enough. Are you going to build

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Speaker 3: Look, I think we need to do everything we can

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Speaker 3: now that lifestyle that we fight so hard to protect

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Speaker 3: has been absolutely eroded. And you know what we've seen

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Speaker 3: not making a difference. Like Cam just said, I mean

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Speaker 3: the Nightcliff police station that could be a jail, to

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Speaker 3: be honest, it's that big and we would absolutely have

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Speaker 3: to look at all of those things. I mean, that's

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Speaker 3: changes in the correction system that could be made right

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Speaker 3: to the fact that we haven't been able to deal

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Speaker 1: Joel, where to from here now? I know that you're

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Speaker 1: not in the cabinet, but where too from here for

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Speaker 1: to languish until the next election. I know when I

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Speaker 1: worked for the Foreign Minister for former Housing Minister Rob Knight,

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Speaker 1: many many years ago. I'm talking fifteen years ago. We're

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Speaker 1: in a situation where the role out of sea hip,

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Speaker 1: get any clear air. There was no clear air no

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Speaker 1: matter what he did, no matter what announcement he made,

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Speaker 1: people were no longer listening. That is where the government

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Speaker 1: is at right now. At that point in time, Paul

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Speaker 1: Henderson had the fortitude to come out and go, do

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Speaker 1: you know what we need a cabinet reshuffle. We need

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Speaker 1: to look at things differently. If we are any chance

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Speaker 1: we've got to make some serious change. Is that what

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Speaker 1: the files government needs to do?

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Speaker 5: Well?

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Speaker 4: I doare not speak on behalf of the cabinet, Katie,

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Speaker 4: but we can feel the seasons have changed. And look,

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Speaker 4: I'm a huge advocate for sport and what we'll see

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Speaker 4: over the next little while is sport and the number

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Speaker 4: one sport in the territory being the AFL starting and

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Speaker 4: I have a view that we need to engage more

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Speaker 4: whether you're doing arts and craft, whatever it is. We

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Speaker 4: have to engage people more and more and more because

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Speaker 4: the police are doing a good job, right, but they're

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Speaker 4: getting there after the act occurs. They're arresting people, they're

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Speaker 4: attending to awful incidences that they deal with. We need

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Speaker 4: to come back a couple of steps, and we need

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Speaker 4: to try and deal with it early intervention. We need

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Speaker 4: to actually put so much money into these programs. And

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Speaker 4: when I say these programs, I don't know them off

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Speaker 4: the top med right, but the multitude of programs that

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Speaker 4: we're doing to one occupy people to give them something

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Speaker 4: that's worthwhile doing and that they really enjoy doing so

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Speaker 4: they're not And I grew up in Alice Springs camp

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Speaker 4: and I know the issues in Alice Springs and all

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Speaker 4: my mates who got into trouble. They were bored. They

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Speaker 4: were bored and they were uneducated and they went out

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Speaker 4: and they did stupid things.

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Speaker 1: I don't disagree with you in any way. But the

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Speaker 1: concern that you know, that's on everybody's minds right now

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Speaker 1: is it's deteriorated over the last you know, it has

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Speaker 1: deteriorated over a long period of time. I'm not going

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Speaker 1: to pretend that the former CLP government had everything under control.

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Speaker 1: But you've had seven years, and you had.

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Speaker 3: Seven years of these programs. I mean, we have fantastic

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Speaker 3: sporting clubs and I know personally because I go to them,

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Speaker 3: Adam Palmerston, that they engage so many young kids and

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Speaker 3: it is fabulous, it is really fabulous. But it's not

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Speaker 3: enough because sometimes in one case, one of the those

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Speaker 3: are involved in. So it's more than that, I mean,

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Speaker 3: and you're right, this government has had seven years to

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Speaker 3: deal with all these issues and we're always seen as

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Speaker 3: it's getting worse and worse and more brazen and escalator.

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Speaker 3: That's I keep saying.

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Speaker 4: Sport's not the panacea, right. I'm not saying sports a

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Speaker 4: silver bullet. I'm saying we've just got to do more.

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Speaker 4: And it's in digital right, because kids are playing computing games,

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Speaker 4: kids are into art, kids are into science, kids are

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Speaker 4: into all these different things. We've got to get them early.

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Speaker 4: The first thousand days are the most important.

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Speaker 1: But that's again, that's the government's been saying that since,

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Speaker 1: you know, since you guys were elected. The number of

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Speaker 1: times that I'd heard that from the former Chief Minister,

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Speaker 1: Michael Gunner, And I guess again, I'll go back to

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Speaker 1: the point that I was making. Does it need to

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Speaker 1: be a bit of change. Does it need to be

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Speaker 1: a bit of a shakeup within the cabinet right now?

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Speaker 1: Like are the cabinet understanding how the community's feeling.

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Speaker 5: Look again, and I can't speak for the cabinet.

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Speaker 4: I can only speak on behalf of myself and being

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Speaker 4: a member of the Labor Caucus.

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Speaker 5: We meet every week. We meet every week as.

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Speaker 4: A caucus to discuss the issues, to go through what's

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Speaker 4: happened most recently, what we're doing in the future, and

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Speaker 4: that is an ongoing I.

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Speaker 2: Just worried about the state of things right now.

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Speaker 4: Well, we talk continuously about how we can improve, what

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Speaker 4: we can do to make the territory better, to grow

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Speaker 4: the territory because like Marie Claire said, you know, we

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Speaker 4: need a thriving economy. We also need an engaged population.

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Speaker 4: We need kids at school, we need to increase attendance.

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Speaker 4: There's just a multitude of issues in the Northern Territory

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Speaker 4: that we need to address and it's complex, it's hard,

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Speaker 4: but we just have to keep working on it and

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Speaker 4: individual ministers with their portfolios have to have a layser

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Speaker 1: I've said this a few times. I've set it to

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Speaker 1: a few different members of Parliament. So do territory Tourians

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Speaker 1: just have to sit and wait?

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Speaker 5: No, you don't sit in. We have to all put

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Speaker 5: our shoulders to the wheeld. We have to all get involved.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 4: I'm volunteering down at my local sporting club, volunteer down

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Speaker 4: at the local arts and craft shop, the local community hall,

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Speaker 4: the local seniorce hall, the local whatever it is. Get

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Speaker 4: involved with athletics, getting it and be part of a

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Speaker 5: Because if we.

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Speaker 1: Don't, can I just ask? Does the Chief Minister attend

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Speaker 5: Yes, and she's not the chair.

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Speaker 2: Does she understand how how people are feeling?

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Speaker 5: Of course she does, and she's in the community all

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Speaker 3: Seen listening and does she have any ideas because it

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Speaker 4: We've seen the Chief Minister again and again. And I

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Speaker 4: I spend Natasha, I bumped into her at footy training

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Speaker 4: on Wednesday night she was walking her dog around the

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Speaker 4: Nightcliff Oval and talking to people. Now I would have

443
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Speaker 4: liked to talk to a bit more, but she was

444
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Speaker 4: swamped by people wanting to talk to her. She's in

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Speaker 4: the community, she's active, and she's listening.

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Speaker 2: So why is nothing changing?

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Speaker 4: Well, that would that would come down to a wide

448
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Speaker 4: range of factors.

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Speaker 5: And if we had I don't know how long of

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Speaker 5: your show go for Cadi, We'll give you a couple

451
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Speaker 5: of minutes, give you a couple of minutes.

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Speaker 4: So we've got intergenerational trauma, we've got years of under

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Speaker 4: education and an inability doing in the community. And when

454
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Speaker 4: I talk about those issues, they're predominantly Indigenous issues. And

455
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Speaker 4: we see in our prisons which are overflowing as you

456
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Speaker 4: said that the majority that like eighty five percent of

457
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Speaker 4: adult prisoners in jailor Indigenous in used attention, it's ninety

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Speaker 4: nine percent.

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Speaker 5: And so we have a cohort.

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Speaker 4: Within the Northern Territory that are under educated and disadvantage

461
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Speaker 4: and therefore that manifests in the outcomes and it ends

462
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Speaker 4: up being into.

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Speaker 1: So last week we had Marian Scrimdraw on the show.

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Speaker 1: And I don't want to cover old ground because we

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Speaker 1: actually spoke about this last week on the week that was,

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Speaker 1: But she joined us on the show and she said

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Speaker 1: that she is sick of people coming in from communities

468
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Speaker 1: and running a.

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Speaker 2: Muck in Darwin.

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Speaker 1: She is sick of, you know, the alcohol issues. She

471
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Speaker 1: said to me that so are Larakia people. They are

472
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Speaker 1: sick of what is going on in Darwin right now.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not speaking I don't want to speak for

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Speaker 1: anybody else, or any other group or any other politician.

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Speaker 1: But she had joined us on the show and had

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Speaker 1: said that we need to start having some really serious

477
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Speaker 1: discussion about alcohol, whether we need to be issuing permits

478
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Speaker 1: or whether we need to be changing the way in

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Speaker 1: which we're doing things with alcohol like they've done in

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Speaker 1: Alice Springs. So here you've got one of our federal

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Speaker 1: indigenous politicians saying the way that things are happening right

482
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Speaker 1: now aren't working.

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Speaker 2: We've got to take some big steps. But it just

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Speaker 2: seems like there is.

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Speaker 1: A lack of drive from the Northern Territory Labor government

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Speaker 1: right now to do that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So the local decision making process which Labor implemented a

489
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Speaker 4: number of years ago now, which is continuing to roll out,

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Speaker 4: has allowed communities. That has allowed Indigenous family and groups

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Speaker 4: to take more control and we've seen that in the

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Speaker 4: group and that's why it's so disappointing to see those

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Speaker 4: issues over on group.

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Speaker 5: I've traveled to group with the PAC.

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Speaker 4: On a LDM inquiry and they were overwhelming in their

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Speaker 4: support for LDM. Now, of course that's one area. You

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Speaker 4: go to other areas who are struggling. We went out

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Speaker 4: to arnham Land and they are struggling with LDM. But

499
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Speaker 4: what the Labour government's trying to do through LDM is

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Speaker 4: in power local communities through local decision making. I mean,

501
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Speaker 4: it's a very simple acronym LDM, and we need people

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Speaker 4: to stay in their communities. Now Hermeersberg I just saw

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Speaker 4: got new lights out at what Air there was lights.

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Speaker 4: So activities in the communities on the communities that are

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Speaker 4: available and fun for people to engage in. Otherwise they

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Speaker 4: jump in a car and drive the town, especially in

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Speaker 4: the dry season when the roads are open and clear.

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Speaker 1: We are going to have to take a very short

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Speaker 1: break when we come back, though, I do want to

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Speaker 1: talk a little bit more about the rollout of the

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Speaker 1: capsicum spray and also the wanding and the comments by

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Speaker 1: the Police Association that's coming your way in just a moment.

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Speaker 2: You've just joined us in the studio. We've got Joel.

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Speaker 1: Bowden, cam Smith and Mary Claire Boothby talking about the

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Speaker 1: issues of the week. And we know that earlier in

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Speaker 1: the week the Northern Territory Government did come out with

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Speaker 1: a couple of the updates I guess on rollouts for

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Speaker 1: different initiatives that they've got to try to at some

519
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Speaker 1: of the concerns that.

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Speaker 2: We've got in the community.

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Speaker 1: They're roll out of oc spray for our transit safety officers,

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Speaker 1: so around the bus network, and then also we saw

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Speaker 1: sort of last week and continued roll out this week

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Speaker 1: for our Northern Territory police are the wants to be

525
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Speaker 1: able to scan people, to take weapons off people, so

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Speaker 1: hopefully making an impact in terms of people going armed

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Speaker 1: in public.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 1: The Police Association came out firing throughout the week, calling

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Speaker 1: on the Northern Territory government to stop gambling with public

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Speaker 1: safety and stop creating more work for police by expanding

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Speaker 1: its cheap policing.

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Speaker 2: Program is what they called it. Now.

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Speaker 1: Nathan Finn said that the government's ignoring the resourcing and

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Speaker 1: staffing crisis and instead forking out millions of dollars for

536
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Speaker 1: security guards and equipping transit safety officers with things like

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Speaker 1: OC spray to be carried by highly trained experience, which

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Speaker 1: should be trained carried by only highly trained experienced police officers.

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Speaker 2: Now, I guess for me, the.

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Speaker 1: Devil will be in the detail or the results, I

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Speaker 1: suppose will be in just what kind of difference this

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Speaker 1: does or does not make, and whether it does, you know,

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Speaker 1: have an impact to have transit safety offices with the

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Speaker 1: OC spray on the buses or not.

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Speaker 2: But you know, some.

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Speaker 1: Of the feedback we're getting instantly from listeners is unless

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Speaker 1: you've got one of them on every bus, it's not

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Speaker 1: going to make a difference. So look, it's part of

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Speaker 1: their plan, it's part of your plans.

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Speaker 4: And you hope, Katie, that it's somewhat of the terrent, right,

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Speaker 4: so you can't have one on every bus, but you

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Speaker 4: hope it's a terrent. You hope that the wanding is

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Speaker 4: a terrent that they don't have to find a weapon.

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Speaker 4: And I think there's been something like four hundred incidents

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Speaker 4: of wanding, and there's been a dozen weapons or sharp

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Speaker 4: objects found. I think ten of them were confiscated. Two

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Speaker 4: of them were left with the individual because they were

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Speaker 4: for something, you know. Other So there's you know a

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Speaker 4: small amount of weapons being confiscated. But what we hope

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Speaker 4: is as a terreent, you know, so imprisonment is to

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Speaker 4: be a deterrent. It's supposed to be also rehabilitation and

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Speaker 4: a punishment, but there's got to be that deterrent. So

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Speaker 4: a number of these new initiatives that we've had over

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Speaker 4: the last little while have come in and hopefully deterbined

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Speaker 4: and say, hey, pull your socks, that we all have

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Speaker 4: to actually behave. The law is the law, but you've

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Speaker 4: got to behave in a manner that's acceptable. Whether it's

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Speaker 4: on a bus, whether it's in a cafe, whether it's

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Speaker 4: on this route. Just behave yourself and be part of

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Speaker 4: the community and part of a functional society.

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Speaker 6: Probably comes back to what you were just saying about

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Speaker 6: Marion earlier her comments last week, Katie, that the people

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Speaker 6: are on the buses who are behaving poorly aren't usually

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Speaker 6: worried about consequences because they're not in that state of mind.

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Speaker 6: You know, the issues on busses related largely to grog

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Speaker 6: and you know, deterrence not really, because they're more a

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Speaker 6: response than a deterrent because people people aren't thinking about

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Speaker 6: those type of things when when they're cutting up.

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Speaker 1: Rough on the bus and look, I sort of thought

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Speaker 1: about it through the week and it reminded me of

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Speaker 1: when when we first started to see the role out

582
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Speaker 1: of like be secure for businesses. So you know, we

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Speaker 1: first started to see businesses being able to get grants

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Speaker 1: for things like roller doors and that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 1: And it's all fine and good to have those different

586
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Speaker 1: band aids or different you know, different measures I suppose

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Speaker 1: to try and sort the issue. But again, it's not

588
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Speaker 1: stopping the issue from happening in the first place, like

589
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Speaker 1: we talk about so much.

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Speaker 4: And that's what we have to lend ourselves towards, right,

591
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Speaker 4: not letting it get to the point where it escalates.

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Speaker 4: And that's the most difficult thing. And again personal responsibility,

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Speaker 4: community responsibility. How can we all say, hey, on a bus, now,

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Speaker 4: you don't want to approach anyone who's intoxicated or on

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Speaker 4: a llegal substance or something. But how do we all

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Speaker 4: interact with each other in a coherent, collaborative way to

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Speaker 4: make the territory the best place.

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Speaker 1: That we can make It's the hard part though, because

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Speaker 1: like even during the week, you know, I was at

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Speaker 1: the shops with my daughter and you could see people

601
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Speaker 1: were intoxicated inside.

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Speaker 2: The shopping center. And the only way that you can

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Speaker 2: react to that is I'm going to have to leave.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm not going to be able to walk

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Speaker 1: around because I am not overly comfortable with this situation.

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Speaker 3: And Joel earlier in the show, and also just now,

607
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Speaker 3: like you're outlining all these things that you want the

608
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Speaker 3: community to do, you've also outlined all the failings that

609
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Speaker 3: have been happening over a long time. And we need

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Speaker 3: to remember that this is a labor government who has

611
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Speaker 3: been in power for eighteen out of the last twenty

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Speaker 3: five years. So you have absolutely not taken action to

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Speaker 3: make sure that those things are addressed. And you tink

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Speaker 3: around the edges with the OC spray for trans officers.

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Speaker 3: I mean, what about the rest of the territory. The

616
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Speaker 3: bus isn't the only thing people do when they're here.

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Speaker 3: What's happening at the moment is the labor government continue

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Speaker 3: to call out the community to step up and the

619
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Speaker 3: community to do more, and yet it's their lives that

620
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Speaker 3: are being diminished. Like territories have had enough. They're actually

621
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Speaker 3: now saying, well, hang on a minute, how about the

622
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Speaker 3: Labor government and the minister's change. And because nothing is

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Speaker 3: being done, they've stopped listening. They're out of ideas and

624
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Speaker 3: they're certainly out of touch.

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Speaker 4: And so we're all part of the community. I'm part

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Speaker 4: of the community, you know, I don't. I don't say

627
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Speaker 4: I'm in parliament, so therefore I'm not part of the community.

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Speaker 4: And I won't resile from the fact that if we

629
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Speaker 4: don't do this as a collective, we won't achieve it

630
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Speaker 4: because no one person can wave a wand and fix

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Speaker 4: these problems. These are intergenerational problems that I have seen.

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Speaker 5: No, we can't wait a generation now, but they are generational.

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Speaker 4: Marie clear, if you don't understand that, then you're going

634
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Speaker 4: to have issues comprehending the intergenerational trauma that manifests on

635
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Speaker 4: our streets.

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Speaker 2: So again I said, we've just got to kind of

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Speaker 2: I guess.

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Speaker 7: Look.

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Speaker 1: One thing I do want to say though, is that

640
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Speaker 1: the Police Minister also said during the week on the

641
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Speaker 1: show that there is going to be a review for

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Speaker 1: some for the security that we do see it at

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Speaker 1: shopping center, car parks and or you know, like in

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Speaker 1: Karama and places like that.

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Speaker 2: We see center.

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Speaker 1: It is something that seems to have been fairly positively,

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Speaker 1: you know, fairly positively accepted by the community because it

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Speaker 1: does me that there's another level of of you know,

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Speaker 1: actual security there to help if you're walking in and

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Speaker 1: out of the shopping center. But then interestingly, in addition

651
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Speaker 1: to that, she'd also said that she's pretty concerned that

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Speaker 1: there is Her understanding is that there is a Four

653
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Speaker 1: Corners report that is being filmed at the moment on

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Speaker 1: that private security cam. I understand you actually followed this

655
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Speaker 1: up then with with the ABC because there were some

656
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Speaker 1: pretty big claims or accusations made that she said that,

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Speaker 1: you know that that potentially people were being given pizza

658
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Speaker 1: to speak and stuff like that.

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Speaker 6: There's a bunch of claims flying around. The ABC certainly

660
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Speaker 6: denied the pizza one. There's a little bit of gray

661
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Speaker 6: still around whether they were actually transporting itinerants to various

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Speaker 6: locations so they could be filmed. That that still hasn't

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Speaker 6: properly been addressed by the ABC. The OBC has got

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Speaker 6: a history, of course of coming up here and doing

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Speaker 6: you know, production jobs. Four Corners in particular doing a

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Speaker 6: very big production job. Obviously, the one that prompted the

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Speaker 6: Royal Commission was it was a significant investigation, but I

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Speaker 6: think largely reviewed by people as a bit of a

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Speaker 6: beat up.

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Speaker 7: The image of.

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Speaker 6: A detainer in a spitthood was confronting in a restraint chair,

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Speaker 6: confronting image.

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Speaker 7: But the subsequent Royal Commission uncovered you know a lot.

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Speaker 1: Of other issues and a lot of other areas where

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Speaker 1: they needed to be some serious.

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Speaker 6: Work, and no civil prosecutions were made. You know, seventy

677
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Speaker 6: six dollars that went into that Royal Commission could have

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Speaker 6: been spend elsewhere in the juvenile justice system. And this

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Speaker 6: is this investigation by the by four corners. Obviously we

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Speaker 6: don't quite know where it's going, but it is about

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Speaker 6: the private security companies.

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Speaker 4: And the only thing to say really from my perspective

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Speaker 4: is that journalism plays a really important part. So I

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Speaker 4: encourage you know, journalistic investigations a show like this, but

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Speaker 4: again there's there's ethics that have to come within that

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Speaker 4: and so they have to abide by I'm not sure

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Speaker 4: exactly what it's called in but there'll be journalistic to

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Speaker 4: get there.

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Speaker 3: It's interesting that that any kind of broadcaster is coming

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Speaker 3: here to do these stories because you don't have to

691
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Speaker 3: go very far, Like you literally have to walk outside

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Speaker 3: your place, your house and go down to the shops

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Speaker 3: and you'll see all those security guards. I mean in

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Speaker 3: Palmerston alone, we even have security guards at our library.

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Speaker 3: I mean you can't even go and read a book

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Speaker 3: in peace without having security guards right there. That is

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Speaker 3: the state in which we're in right now. And so

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Speaker 3: for the Minister to be sort of reviewing these security measures,

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Speaker 3: that's that's like part of the story. I mean, the

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Speaker 3: reason why there is security there is because of.

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Speaker 1: The Christians that they're sort of more looking at, you know,

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Speaker 1: where they are currently operating, whether there's a greater need

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Speaker 1: for them in other areas.

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Speaker 2: And with the next everywhere case there is at the moment.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, But my understanding as well is that it was

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Speaker 1: looking at the funding and that funding had previously gone

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Speaker 1: through the Department of Chief means it's now going through

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Speaker 1: police and so whether that sort of means that the

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Speaker 1: police are in any way going to be held sort

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Speaker 1: of accountable if there is a situation at any point

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Speaker 1: in time where a security guard potentially is doing something

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Speaker 1: that might be deemed unlawful. Whose shoulders does it then

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Speaker 1: fall upon, I guess is the question that you may ask.

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Speaker 6: And Letterminal the Police Association position is quite interesting because

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Speaker 6: they called when Nathan got in, I think he wanted

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Speaker 6: an edgile two hundred officers recruited.

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Speaker 7: There's certainly been no movement on that as far as

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Speaker 7: I can gather it.

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Speaker 6: And these security guards, I understand, do take a fair

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Speaker 6: bit of the burden out of you know, if police

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Speaker 6: are filling out a report, for instance, it takes a

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Speaker 6: couple of hours on an incident.

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Speaker 7: You know, there's the officers off the.

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Speaker 6: Street at the time, and the security guards say that

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Speaker 6: they fill in that that sort of stock gap role.

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Speaker 4: And there's a police resource review underway at the moment,

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Speaker 4: which will be reported back in the near future, so

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Speaker 4: that'll that'll be part of that review, which is important.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 4: So when you've got a finite amount of resources, you

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Speaker 4: have to review where they're best spent, where they're best

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Speaker 4: used utilized, and that's I think that's good business practice, right.

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Speaker 5: If you're running a business, you review your business.

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Speaker 4: If you're running your government, you review your government regard

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Speaker 4: to what area it is you've got to try and

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Speaker 4: get the best bang for buck, and we have a

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Speaker 4: limited or it's not infinite amount of resources.

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Speaker 1: We're going to take a bit of a break. You

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Speaker 1: are listening to Mix one O four nine's three sixty.

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Speaker 1: It is the week that was and in the studio

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Speaker 1: with us this morning Murray Cleare boothby cam Smith and

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Speaker 1: Joel Bowden, and well throughout the week we have been

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Speaker 1: contacted by a number of pregnant women raising concerns about

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Speaker 1: not being able to book in for ultrasounds. So I

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Speaker 1: dig get an email from one mum before we caught

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Speaker 1: up with Maddie another expectant mum who joined us on

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Speaker 1: the show. But the mum who'd sent through an email said,

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Speaker 1: as a long standing resident of this region and to

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Speaker 1: mother expecting her third child, I'm appalled by the gross

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Speaker 1: ind adequacy of qualified sonographers to conduct a routine twelve

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Speaker 1: week ultrasound scan, a standard procedure crucial for ensuring the

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Speaker 1: well being of both the unborn child and the expectant mum.

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Speaker 1: It's simply unacceptable that a supposedly advanced healthcare system cannot

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Speaker 1: provide a fundamental service within a reasonable time frame after

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Speaker 1: being referred for my ultrasound. Over six weeks ago, I

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Speaker 1: contacted IMED Radiology at the Darwen Private Hospital, only to

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Speaker 1: be told that they're unable to accommodate my appointment due

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Speaker 1: to a lack of adequately qualified staff. Their proposed solution

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Speaker 1: a spot on a vague waiting list with no guarantee

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Speaker 1: of being seen within the medically recommended window. My subsequent

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Speaker 1: attempts to secure an appointment at other radiology clinics in

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Speaker 1: Darwin were equally ineffective, as each one redirected me back

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Speaker 1: to either IMED or Catherine. Now we actually caught up

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Speaker 1: with one of the well the owner of the sonography

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Speaker 1: place in Catherine, who'd said to us that, yeah, Katie,

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Speaker 1: on average about ten people a week going to Catherine

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Speaker 1: for either pregnancy scans or also you know, different other

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Speaker 1: medical scans that they might not be able to book in.

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Speaker 2: For up here in the top end.

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Speaker 1: Now, the Health Department's been back to us and said

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Speaker 1: pregnant women are generally cared for by a primary care

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Speaker 1: provider such as a GP, who's going to provide advice

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Speaker 1: and refer patients for scans through the private or public

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Speaker 1: health system. And the twelfth to sixteen week scan can

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Speaker 1: be performed by INTEA Health with no delay experienced by patients.

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Speaker 1: So I'm not sure exactly where the breakdown is here

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Speaker 1: or what exactly is going on, but we have got

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Speaker 1: pregnant women in the Northern Territory right now pretty concerned

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Speaker 1: that they're not able to get their scans, some making

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Speaker 1: the trip to Catherine to do it there and then

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Speaker 1: come back.

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Speaker 3: Katie. When I was pregnant, and I've been pregnant twice

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Speaker 3: with my two boys, of course, there is no way

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Speaker 3: that I would want to drive to Catherine to get

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Speaker 3: a scan. I mean, we live in a jurisdiction of

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Speaker 3: more than one hundred thousand people. We have hospitals, both

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Speaker 3: private and public. That's the fact that you cannot get

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Speaker 3: in to have a scan during a really important part

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Speaker 3: of your journey into having children is an absolute disgrace.

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is what happens when you have ten

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Speaker 3: billion dollars worth of debt and nothing to show for it.

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Speaker 3: You can't even fix our health system. I mean, we

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Speaker 3: have the cost of even crime that we've spoken about

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Speaker 3: at length on this show that is impacting our health system.

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Speaker 3: The government pays millions of dollars in security at the hospitals.

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Speaker 3: We can't get nurses or workers here to work because

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Speaker 3: they don't feel safe. I mean, it's constantly crippling our

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Speaker 3: health system. And of course it's people. It's Territorians and

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Speaker 3: mothers who are just trying to get a scan that

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Speaker 3: now have to go and again change all of their

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Speaker 3: life just so they can go to Catherine and back.

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Speaker 3: I mean that's a seven hour round trip in a day.

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Speaker 1: I will say, I have both my kids through the

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Speaker 1: public health system here in the Northern Territory. I mean

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Speaker 1: I'm talking ten and twelve years ago. But I was

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Speaker 1: able to book in for all my scans and able

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Speaker 1: to do everything in the way in which I needed to.

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Speaker 2: So I was pretty surprised.

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Speaker 1: When I heard this story and when we had mums

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Speaker 1: get in contact with us. Now they were going through

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Speaker 1: the public system, so I will make that very clear,

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Speaker 1: not through the private system. They were going through the

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Speaker 1: public health system. But fundamentally, you do want to make

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Speaker 1: sure that you're able to actually do all of those

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Speaker 1: different scans and different things that you want to do

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Speaker 1: for your baby. To make sure you know, this is

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Speaker 1: the first time for some people at being a mum,

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Speaker 1: and you want to make sure or Dad, you know,

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Speaker 1: I know you're not getting the scans.

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Speaker 4: But as being parents, Tatie, I was there with my

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Speaker 4: wife and we had our four and I was at

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Speaker 4: every scan and we made sure that we got the

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Speaker 4: appropriate scans. We went through the public health system as

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Speaker 4: well admdtlely when we were in Melbourne we had our children.

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Speaker 4: But it is really important, it's really important to have

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Speaker 4: those scans, especially I think the twenty week scanned as well.

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Speaker 4: My understanding is that anyone who needs a twenty week

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Speaker 4: scan is able to get it, and from time to

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Speaker 4: time there are just some delays. But my understanding, as

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Speaker 4: I've been advised, is that all women who need a

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Speaker 4: twenty week scan are able to get it and that

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Speaker 4: hasn't been an issue.

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Speaker 1: Well, look, we are going to catch up with the

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Speaker 1: Department of Health this morning after ten o'clock.

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Speaker 2: But you know, I mean at the end of the day, we.

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Speaker 1: Do live in a public I mean a capital city

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Speaker 1: where you want to make sure that you're able to,

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Speaker 1: you know, if you need to see a doctor, if

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Speaker 1: you need to get a scan. Because we've also had

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Speaker 1: people contact us saying that they've been on waiting lists

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Speaker 1: for extended periods of time for things like MRIs others

842
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Speaker 1: saying that they need specific types of scans that they've

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Speaker 1: actually got to travel into state for.

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Speaker 2: And so you do wonder at.

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Speaker 1: What cost to the taxpayer then when we are having

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Speaker 1: to send people into state for those different types of scans.

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Speaker 2: And I would never ever.

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Speaker 1: Begrudge someone of being able to go away and get

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Speaker 1: those scans and do those those different things that they

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Speaker 1: need medically, But you do just wonder is it a

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Speaker 1: staffing issue for us in the territory, What exactly is

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Speaker 1: the go and why are people not able to get,

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Speaker 1: you know, what they need?

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Speaker 2: Basically, I look forward to hearing your.

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Speaker 6: Interview after tend with Health because that written response you

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Speaker 6: just read out was gobbledygook.

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Speaker 7: Who say anything?

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Speaker 3: I didn't say what the mothers were telling you. It's

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Speaker 3: a completely different story.

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Speaker 1: And the thing is here, it's not just sort of

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Speaker 1: one mum that's been in tap with us.

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Speaker 2: It's a whole It's a whole heap of mums.

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Speaker 1: And I know nine News Darwin had said on their

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Speaker 1: news the night before last they'd spoken to one mother

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Speaker 1: who'd gone through the same situation, and they said that

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Speaker 1: they'd spoken to at least ten other mothers off you know,

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Speaker 1: off air as well as space.

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Speaker 3: Thic essential services, Katie. I mean, if we cannot get

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Speaker 3: these here in the territory, then people will just make

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Speaker 3: decisions to leave. And that's we cannot so lat any

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Speaker 3: more people leave the territory when we're trying to attract

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Speaker 3: new people here.

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Speaker 2: We need to have the.

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Speaker 3: Government that is working to ensure that all of these

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Speaker 3: essential services are actually happening. And you know, like I said,

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Speaker 3: if you've got ten billion dollars a day, you've got

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Speaker 3: no money in the cupboard left to go and raid

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Speaker 3: it and you continue to have to work on these

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Speaker 3: issues that are just just deteriorating our society. Look, it

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Speaker 3: doesn't give us any confidence that things are going to change.

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Speaker 1: Look, we are going to need to take a bit

882
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Speaker 1: of a break. You're listening to Mix one oh four

883
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: nine's three p.

884
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Speaker 2: Sixty.

885
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Speaker 1: It is the week that was and in the studio

886
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: with us this morning Murray clear boothby cam Smith and

887
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 1: Joel Bow and well throughout the week we have been

888
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 1: contacted by a number of pregnant women raising concerns about

889
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 1: not being able to book in for ultrasounds. So I

890
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,359
Speaker 1: dig in an email from one mum before we caught

891
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 1: up with Maddie another expectant mum who joined us on

892
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Speaker 1: the show. But the mum who'd sent through an email said,

893
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 1: as a long standing resident of this region and a

894
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Speaker 1: mother expecting her third child, I'm appalled by the gross

895
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: in adequacy of qualified sonographers to conduct a routine twelve

896
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Speaker 1: week ultrasound scan, a standard procedure crucial for ensuring the

897
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Speaker 1: well being of both the unborn child.

898
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Speaker 2: And the expectant mum.

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Speaker 1: It's simply unacceptable that a supposedly advanced healthcare system cannot

900
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Speaker 1: provide a fundamental service within a reasonable time frame. After

901
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 1: being referred to my ultrasound over six weeks ago, I

902
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 1: contacted imed radiology at the Darwin Private Hospital, only to

903
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,879
Speaker 1: be told that they're unable to accommodate my appointment due

904
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 1: to a lack of adequately qualified staff. Their proposed solution

905
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 1: a spot on a vague waiting list with no guarantee

906
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: of being seen within the medically recommended window. My subsequent

907
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: attempts to secure an appointment at other radiology clinics in

908
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:14,959
Speaker 1: Darwin were equally ineffective, as each one redirected me back

909
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 1: to either IMD or Catherine. Now, we actually caught up

910
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: with one of the owner of the sonography place in

911
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Speaker 1: Catherine who'd said to us that, yeah, Katie, on average,

912
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Speaker 1: about ten people a week going to Catherine for either

913
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Speaker 1: pregnancy scans or also you know, different other medical scans

914
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Speaker 1: that they might not be able to book in for

915
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Speaker 1: up here in the top end. Now, the Health Department's

916
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 1: been back to us and said pregnant women are generally

917
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Speaker 1: cared for by a primary care provider such as a GP,

918
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Speaker 1: who's going to provide advice and refer patients for scans

919
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Speaker 1: through the private or public health system, and the twelfth

920
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Speaker 1: to sixteen week scan can be performed by intee health

921
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Speaker 1: with no delay experienced by patients. So I'm not sure

922
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Speaker 1: exactly where the breakdown is here or what exactly is

923
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Speaker 1: going on, but we have got pregnant women in the

924
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Speaker 1: Northern Territory right now pretty concerned that they're not able

925
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Speaker 1: to get their scans, some making the trip to Catherine

926
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Speaker 1: to do it there and then come back.

927
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Speaker 3: Katie, when I was pregnant, I've been pregnant twice with

928
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Speaker 3: my two boys. Of course, there is no way that

929
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,760
Speaker 3: I would want to drive to Catherine to get a scan.

930
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 3: I mean, we live in a jurisdiction of more than

931
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Speaker 3: one hundred thousand people. We have hospitals, both private and public.

932
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Speaker 3: That's the fact that you cannot get in to have

933
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 3: a scan during a really important part of your journey

934
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Speaker 3: into having children is an absolute disgrace. I mean, this

935
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 3: is what happens when you have ten billion dollars worth

936
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 3: of debt and nothing to show for it. You can't

937
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 3: even fix our health system. I mean, we have the

938
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Speaker 3: cost of even crime that we've spoken about at length

939
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 3: on this show that is impacting our health system. The

940
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 3: government pays millions of dollars in security at the hospitals.

941
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Speaker 3: We can't get nurses or workers here to work because

942
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Speaker 3: they don't feel safe. I mean, it's constantly crippling our

943
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 3: health system. And of course it's people. It's territorians and

944
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 3: mothers who are just trying to get a scan that

945
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Speaker 3: now have to go and again change all of their

946
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Speaker 3: life just so they can go to Catherine and bark.

947
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Speaker 3: I mean that's a seven hour round trip in a day.

948
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Speaker 1: I will say, I have both my kids through the

949
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 1: public health system here in the Northern Territory. I mean

950
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Speaker 1: I'm talking ten and twelve years ago, but I was

951
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Speaker 1: able to book in for all my scans and able

952
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Speaker 1: to do everything in the way in which I needed to.

953
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Speaker 1: So I was pretty surprised when I heard this story

954
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 1: and when we had mums get in contact with us.

955
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Speaker 1: Now they were going through the public system, so I

956
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 1: will make that very clear, not through the private system,

957
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: they were going through the public health system. But fundamentally,

958
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 1: you do want to make sure that you're able to

959
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 1: actually do all of those different scans and different things

960
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,839
Speaker 1: that you want to do for your baby, to make

961
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 1: sure you you know, this is the first time for

962
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 1: some people at being a mum and you want to

963
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: make sure or dad, you know, I know you're not

964
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:00,080
Speaker 1: getting the scans.

965
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 4: But as bang parents, Katie, I was there with my

966
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Speaker 4: wife and we had our four and I was at

967
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 4: every scan and we made sure that we got the

968
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Speaker 4: appropriate scans.

969
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Speaker 5: We went through the public health system as well.

970
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Speaker 4: Admittedly when we were in Melbourne we had our children,

971
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 4: but it is really important.

972
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Speaker 5: It's really important to have.

973
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 4: Those scans, especially I think the twenty week scanned as well.

974
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Speaker 4: My understanding is that anyone who needs a twenty week

975
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Speaker 4: scan is able to get it, and from time to

976
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Speaker 4: time there are just some delays. But my understanding, as

977
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 4: I've been advised, is that all women who need a

978
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Speaker 4: twenty week scan are able to get it and that

979
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Speaker 4: hasn't been an issue.

980
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 1: Well, look, we are going to catch up with the

981
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Speaker 1: Department of Health this morning after ten o'clock.

982
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 2: But you know, I mean, at the end of the day, we.

983
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 1: Do live in a public I mean in a capital

984
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 1: city where you want to make sure that you're able to,

985
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 1: you know, if you need to see a doctor, if

986
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 1: you need to get a scan. Because we've also had

987
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 1: people contact us saying that they've been on waiting lists

988
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 1: for extended periods of time for things like MRIs, others

989
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 1: saying that they need specific types of scans that they've

990
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 1: actually got to travel into date for.

991
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Speaker 2: And so you do.

992
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 1: Wonder at what cost to the taxpayer then when we

993
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 1: are having to send people into state for those different

994
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:08,240
Speaker 1: types of scans.

995
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 2: And I would never ever.

996
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 1: Begrudge someone of being able to go away and get

997
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 1: those scans and do those those different things that they

998
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 1: need medically, but you do just wonder, is it a

999
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 1: staffing issue for us in the territory, what exactly is

1000
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 1: the go and why are people.

1001
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 2: Not able to get you know, what they need? Basically,

1002
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:27,760
Speaker 2: I look forward to hearing.

1003
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:30,320
Speaker 6: Your interview after ten with Health because that written response

1004
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 6: you just read out.

1005
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 7: Was a gobbledygook who say anything.

1006
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 3: I didn't say what the mothers were telling you, completely

1007
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 3: different story.

1008
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 1: And the thing is here, it's not just sort of

1009
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: one mum that's been in contact with.

1010
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,720
Speaker 2: Us, It's a whole It's a whole heap of mums.

1011
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,919
Speaker 1: And I know nine News Darwin had said on their

1012
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,439
Speaker 1: news the night before last they'd spoken to one mother

1013
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 1: who'd gone through the same situation, and they said that

1014
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 1: they'd spoken to at least ten other mothers of off

1015
00:46:58,040 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 1: air as.

1016
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 3: Well as So take essential versus Katie. I mean, if

1017
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 3: we cannot get these here in the territory, then people

1018
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 3: will just make decisions to leave. And that's we cannot

1019
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 3: The last thing you want any more people leave the

1020
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 3: territory when we're trying to attract new people here. We

1021
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 3: need to have the government that is working to ensure

1022
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 3: that all of these essential services are actually happening. And

1023
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:20,359
Speaker 3: you know, like I said, if you've got ten billion

1024
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 3: dollars a day, you've got no money in the cupboard

1025
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 3: left to go and raid it, and you continue to

1026
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 3: have to work on these issues that are just just

1027
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 3: deteriorating our society. Look, it doesn't give us any confidence

1028
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 3: that things are going to change.

1029
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 1: Look, we are going to need to take a bit

1030
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 1: of a break. You're listening to Mix one O four

1031
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:37,919
Speaker 1: nine's three sixty. It is the week that was only

1032
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 1: a few minutes left with our guests in the studio

1033
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 1: for the week that was this morning, Joel About and

1034
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 1: Cam Smith and Murray Clare Boothby and well the voice.

1035
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 1: We are just a week away from the referendum. A

1036
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 1: lot of people already gone out to early vote. But yeah,

1037
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:55,879
Speaker 1: things got quite interesting, I think you'd have to say

1038
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 1: over the last twenty four hours. The Independent Senator Lydia

1039
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 1: Thorpe has said the Australian Federal Police have failed to

1040
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 1: protect her after becoming the target of a far right

1041
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 1: extremist racial abuse. Now, the Indigenous senator was tagged in

1042
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 1: a video of a masked neo Nazi burning an Aboriginal

1043
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: flag while performing a Nazi salute this week. It was appalling,

1044
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 1: absolutely appalling to see anybody doing that, anybody burning the

1045
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 1: indigenous flag.

1046
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 2: I thought was horrible.

1047
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 1: She really came out affuming though, and had taken aim

1048
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 1: at Anthony Albanesi. She Senator Thought made allegations at the

1049
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:39,399
Speaker 1: Prime Minister Anthony Albanesi and the AFP are not doing

1050
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 1: enough to protect her from the far right. She said,

1051
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 1: his violent force that he sent to protect me can't

1052
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 1: even protect me. Refuse to protect the black sovereign woman

1053
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 1: because the police are part of the problem in this country,

1054
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 1: she said, And she said, you want to paint me

1055
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:58,760
Speaker 1: as an angry black woman, well you're about to see

1056
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 1: an angry black woman. And she was absolutely irate. Now,

1057
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:09,840
Speaker 1: in addition to that, we also saw yesterday well Australian

1058
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,919
Speaker 1: treasure Ray Martin coppying a bit of flak after he'd

1059
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: said people that subscribe to the slogan if you don't know,

1060
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 1: vote no or either dinosaurs or dickheads. Now, I've got

1061
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 1: to tell you, there is just so much division around

1062
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:27,320
Speaker 1: the place at the moment, and that's what I'm finding

1063
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 1: really very difficult. And I know that for a lot

1064
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 1: of us, that's how we're feeling. There's a lot of

1065
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 1: particularly Northern Territory families that you know, out like my family,

1066
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 1: all my nieces and nephews are Indigenous. We're like, we're

1067
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 1: such a multicultural place and right now all of Australia

1068
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 1: just feels like they're fighting with each other.

1069
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's the unfortunate part about this, and Peter

1070
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 4: Dutton needs to take a lot of responsibility for that

1071
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 4: because it's a very simple proposition.

1072
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 5: It's an invitation from Aboriginal people for recognition. That's all

1073
00:49:58,280 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 5: it is.

1074
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 4: And if you we don't accept the invitation to recognize

1075
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 4: Aboriginal people who've been here for over sixty thousand.

1076
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 5: Years, then that's okay.

1077
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 4: But to use it as Dunton and the conservative side

1078
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 4: of politics have for division and for these types of

1079
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 4: incidents is really disappointing. And as you said, you know

1080
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 4: your friends and family are Indigenous, My friends and family indigious.

1081
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:24,240
Speaker 4: Young Connor Bowden who's volunteering his time and doing TikTok

1082
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 4: shows to try and explain that to people who is

1083
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 4: being attacked and it's unacceptable. And this division, but also

1084
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 4: the far right, the far left, the whatever, the extremest

1085
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 4: element that's come out is so disappointing because we should

1086
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 4: recognize Abriginal people. We do in the Northern territory we

1087
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:44,799
Speaker 4: live side by side, and that's I think what the

1088
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:47,879
Speaker 4: proposition is very simple, can we recognize Aboriginal people.

1089
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 1: Look, I got no issue with people sort of questioning

1090
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:51,839
Speaker 1: the way in which it's going to be made up,

1091
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 1: questioning how big a difference it may or.

1092
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 2: May not make.

1093
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:57,839
Speaker 1: Like I've got no issue with people having those constructive

1094
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 1: debates and asking questions said. A lot of Aussies have

1095
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 1: got questions about But I just think that when we

1096
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:08,800
Speaker 1: end up in the gutter, it's a pretty sad way

1097
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 1: for us to be.

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Speaker 7: In my view of the.

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Speaker 6: Voice to Parliament was almost dead on arrival when both

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Speaker 6: parties are posed it. When it was first release, Turnbull

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Speaker 6: was Prime Minister said it would be a third chamber

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Speaker 6: short and I believe it posed it was a bit ambuilt,

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Speaker 6: and then came on board some time later. But that

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Speaker 6: that space that was given around the third Chamber, that

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Speaker 6: that was a very bad start for it.

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Speaker 7: Malcolm Turnbull's out there now a supporter of the Voice.

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Speaker 7: He had an.

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Speaker 6: Opportunity some years ago to get on the front foot

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Speaker 6: and support the Voice and he didn't do that, and

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Speaker 6: it really it's been a very tough road for it

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Speaker 6: since then that those sixty percent polling figures from earlier

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Speaker 6: this year must have been sort of born more out

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Speaker 6: of optimies and I think than actual reality. And where

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Speaker 6: it's at now, it's very hard to see the votes

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Speaker 6: going back up to you know.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be it is going to be interesting

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Speaker 1: to skating everyone to take it out and to have

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Speaker 1: their say no, ye's to vote, because that's what it's

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Speaker 1: there for.

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Speaker 3: And you know, we just need to all be very

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Speaker 3: respectful of each other about this. I mean, nobody wants

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Speaker 3: to see the scenes that you're describing across our nation.

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Speaker 5: And you can vote early.

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Speaker 4: You can vote earlier in the street or you can

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Speaker 4: vote early down near Kingpin near the airport there.

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Speaker 5: I went yesterday and voted, very easy going. Took me

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Speaker 5: a couple of minutes.

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Speaker 1: Now that's it for this morning. It's been a busy morning,

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Speaker 1: there's no doubt about that. Murray Clare Boothby from the COLP,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for your time today.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Katie, and have a wonderful weekend.

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Speaker 1: Jam Smith from the NT News, thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for your time.

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Speaker 7: Coreact to be here.

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Speaker 2: Katy and Joel Bowden from.

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Speaker 1: The Labour Party, thank you so much for your time

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Speaker 1: and the Nightcliff Tigers Football.

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Speaker 5: Club, Thank you, Kurtie the Pass and Mac Pass. Good

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Speaker 5: luck to the Tigers this weekend.

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Speaker 2: Thank you all so much for your time.