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Speaker 1: Hash Matt, we have a guest surprise. Wow, they are

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Speaker 1: I would call them, refer to them as the king

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Speaker 1: of TV.

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Speaker 2: Wow, that is a big statement.

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Speaker 1: Go on, what do you mean, Well, I've been watching

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Speaker 1: him on TV for many, many, many years.

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Speaker 2: He's your king.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think surely he's many many kings too, many

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Speaker 1: of viewers around Australia.

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Speaker 2: Yes, actually, how long have you been on that show?

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Speaker 2: For seventeen seasons? Yes, we are talking about Maddie Fahad.

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Speaker 1: Are you talking to yourself?

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Speaker 2: No, he's been on seventeen seasons of goggle Box.

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Speaker 1: I wonder what he thought of any of my seasons

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Speaker 1: of Bachelor Dancing with the Stars. I'm a celebrity. It

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Speaker 1: depends on how many times you cry all Monty every

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Speaker 1: single scene. So it's my contract.

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Speaker 2: It's like everyone gather around made Jay's going to cry

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Speaker 2: on TV again.

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Speaker 1: I wonder if he's watched your season of TV.

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Speaker 2: He hasn't because it was shit according to you.

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Speaker 1: Why are you making me like an asshole? You're making

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Speaker 1: yourself Well, do you know he's not an asshole? Maddie

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Speaker 1: farhad Well said, thank you.

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Speaker 2: He is a father of two. Here's the goggle Box

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Speaker 2: star and now the podcaster.

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Speaker 1: Called the Dad's in the Docks. He talks about growing

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Speaker 1: up in an immigrant family, meeting his beautiful wife Sarah.

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Speaker 2: That's right, Matt. He also talks about what it's like

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Speaker 1: Also, just a note to say that this episode does

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Speaker 1: talk about miscarriage. If you're not in a space to

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Speaker 1: hear that, the topic of miscarriage is at the end

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Speaker 2: But there's plenty o of the laughs and information that

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Speaker 2: Maddy does share with us about his life parenting and

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Speaker 2: what it's like right now while his wife is away

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Speaker 2: and he's got two kids for seven days.

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Speaker 1: God, what a dad. Let's get into it. Welcome back

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Speaker 1: to three doting Dads. I am Maddie Jay, I'm Ash,

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Speaker 1: and I'm Maddie f And this is a podcast all

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Speaker 1: about parenting. It is the good, it is the bad

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Speaker 1: and relatable and like, we have been giving advice lately,

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Speaker 1: but let's stop. We try not to give advice.

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Speaker 3: We don't want to be advice monsters.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but at the same we don't want to be

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Speaker 1: So I guess if any advice comes from myself, Ash,

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Speaker 1: ignore it, But from yourself please.

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Speaker 3: Okay, you're more full of incredible wisdom.

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Speaker 1: That's what we love.

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Speaker 2: I don't know who to look at because you both

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Speaker 2: were the same thing. You both named Maddie. I love

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Speaker 2: It's very good.

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Speaker 1: Like that, miss Ashly if you want to actually take

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I look like you know, like at Rockistedfords, how

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Speaker 2: they have the guys all in black that do like

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is like he's a take you look like

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Speaker 2: Yeah. The question is do you remember the most trouble

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Speaker 3: Yes, I do.

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Speaker 4: I remember that vividly because I was generally I didn't

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Speaker 3: No, I haven't killed anyone, So I feel like then.

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Speaker 4: There are brain so an insight into an ethnic family,

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Speaker 4: But I did well academically and I cared about what

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Speaker 4: And so then I, while I was still at my

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Speaker 1: This is this is like prison, Yes, this is prison.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you get home from school, you've had a fight

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Speaker 3: People think like like you said, like I couldn't imagine

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Speaker 2: What was this? Like just like final question on that,

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Speaker 3: Look, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Do whatever you wanted to do. Like, what else are

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Now, Maddie, we need to congratulate you because you

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Speaker 1: but you are how many days in day two? Okay, okay,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the bags under my eyes probably give it a.

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Speaker 4: It is so funny because this is the reaction that

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Speaker 1: Well, you did a little story update before. Did you

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Speaker 3: No, I'm just getting lots of messages at the moment

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Speaker 4: Care of kids on my own, but like, it is

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Speaker 4: on Sarah's social calendar, social network in her vocabulary, in

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Speaker 3: Is everything all right?

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Speaker 1: And like it's so fun.

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Speaker 4: My parents are like calling me several Sarah's dad called me,

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Speaker 1: It's that generation because it would have never happened back.

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Speaker 4: And I don't think I even come across as like,

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Speaker 3: Like I'm heavily involved with my kids. I'm always with

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Speaker 4: So I find it even funnier that people are like, oh,

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Speaker 1: Are you doing the facetimes at all? Because yeah, because

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I was just like at one point, I was

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Speaker 4: I'm like, well, she from her end, she's kind of

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Speaker 2: Oh the Phantom Children.

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Speaker 4: I've heard it one But like, so it's like when

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Speaker 3: Yes, it happens to me now.

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Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, if there's like a tea commercial and

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: So I think she's kind of still desensitizing from not

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Speaker 3: Why is this my problem?

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Speaker 4: Like they go to I'll be next to my son

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Speaker 4: and I just hear Sarah.

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Speaker 2: Go ask your dad. Oh so bad?

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Speaker 4: And then and then Mallick comes and I was like,

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Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm sitting right next to your mate.

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Speaker 2: Just this.

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Speaker 3: Why are you're asking mom? She's trying to chill out

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Speaker 2: Just tell me. April was working in the office with

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Speaker 2: We had an interaction even about it what is it?

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Speaker 4: saying to me, that's not how mum does it. Oh,

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Speaker 1: There's a there are so many particular wait in my household.

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Speaker 1: I make the porridge.

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Speaker 2: Now you've started something, but I don't know.

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Speaker 3: This is a passion point.

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Speaker 1: Like one one thing that I do that Laura doesn't

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Speaker 2: Yeah you do love.

444
00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:03,720
Speaker 1: Wow.

445
00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:05,439
Speaker 3: I'm going to try that tomorrow.

446
00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:07,800
Speaker 4: I'm going to try it and I'm going to film

447
00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:08,760
Speaker 4: it and I'm tagging you in it.

448
00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:11,200
Speaker 1: Won't do it And the kids are like, but where's

449
00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:11,879
Speaker 1: the ice cube?

450
00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:13,280
Speaker 2: Forget about it?

451
00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:14,640
Speaker 1: We're doing it my way.

452
00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:16,480
Speaker 3: Cubes.

453
00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:23,160
Speaker 2: I've walked down and stayed his place and walked downstairs, like.

454
00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:25,760
Speaker 1: Don't look at me, how did you do the porridge?

455
00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:25,960
Speaker 3: Rock?

456
00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:30,640
Speaker 4: So apparently there was too much milk, Daddy, there's too

457
00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:32,720
Speaker 4: much milk in this one today and there's too much

458
00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:35,119
Speaker 4: in there. And you've put maple syrup. I was like,

459
00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:38,000
Speaker 4: do you want maple soup? You love maple siruper. He's like, Mum,

460
00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:39,639
Speaker 4: normally does rice molt syrup?

461
00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:40,639
Speaker 1: Oh god.

462
00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:45,840
Speaker 3: I'm like faceime. I'm like, I got honey? Did she

463
00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:47,560
Speaker 3: put honey? No rice molt syrup.

464
00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:50,360
Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, cool, I'll know that from next time,

465
00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:52,720
Speaker 4: thank you, And then like on the way out the door.

466
00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:55,720
Speaker 4: He's like, check my school bag and make sure everything's

467
00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:58,000
Speaker 4: in there, including my hat. And I was like, I

468
00:18:58,040 --> 00:18:59,800
Speaker 4: think you can do that. Why don't you check your

469
00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:02,800
Speaker 4: back And he's like okay, and then he goes and

470
00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:05,479
Speaker 4: looks into it. So it's like there's like these lessons

471
00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:08,760
Speaker 4: also being learned because Sarah is so patient and I

472
00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:10,840
Speaker 4: definitely don't have the same patience as her, so I'll

473
00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:13,159
Speaker 4: be like, go check your own bag, mate, Yeah, like

474
00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:15,080
Speaker 4: if your hat's not in there, too bad, or if

475
00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:16,720
Speaker 4: you if you forgot your lunch, I'll put it there.

476
00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:18,600
Speaker 4: If you took it out, that's your own problem. So

477
00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:20,240
Speaker 4: like there's a bit of that happening this week, and

478
00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:22,040
Speaker 4: they're like, oh man, when's mom coming out?

479
00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:25,520
Speaker 1: Has anything gone wrong? This is a safe place here,

480
00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:26,000
Speaker 1: you can.

481
00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:29,199
Speaker 4: Ah not yet, It's all really been smooth sailing. I

482
00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:31,560
Speaker 4: have to be honest. They've been so good, Like even

483
00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:33,639
Speaker 4: yesterday I took them to swimming practice and then I

484
00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:36,639
Speaker 4: went and had lunch with my mom afterwards, and so

485
00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:39,399
Speaker 4: my just my youngest, my son was at school in

486
00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:42,520
Speaker 4: my oldest and and my mom was like, he's so

487
00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:44,360
Speaker 4: well behaved when like Sarah's not here.

488
00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:45,920
Speaker 3: He's just really.

489
00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,800
Speaker 2: Don't tell her that, yeah, immediately.

490
00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:51,480
Speaker 4: And it's true, Like normally my little one's a little

491
00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:54,800
Speaker 4: bit of a menace, and he's just been such a

492
00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:58,680
Speaker 4: good kid and doing everything and eating his dinner and just.

493
00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:01,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's been so sweet cute. So it's been really was.

494
00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:04,119
Speaker 2: Like, how did you go on?

495
00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:04,439
Speaker 3: Oh?

496
00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:09,040
Speaker 2: It was really really tough. Meanwhile, it was like that

497
00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:09,719
Speaker 2: was sweet.

498
00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:13,080
Speaker 1: It makes you think, God, those single parents who are

499
00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:17,119
Speaker 1: doing this every single day, every week, every month, every year. Yeah.

500
00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I'm coming in like a little bit of

501
00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:21,520
Speaker 4: like amping it up as well, which if you're doing

502
00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:24,680
Speaker 4: it every day, you can't do that. Like I'm I'm

503
00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:27,240
Speaker 4: conscious that they're having this great time because I'm pulling

504
00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:27,919
Speaker 4: out all stops.

505
00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:29,360
Speaker 3: I'm like, this is my audition now.

506
00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:31,440
Speaker 4: Like I'm getting in places where I'm not normally there

507
00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:34,280
Speaker 4: every day, and so like bath time, which is not

508
00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:37,199
Speaker 4: normally me. I've like I've brought the DJ decks in

509
00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:41,000
Speaker 4: the od we had a full set in the bathroom

510
00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:43,400
Speaker 4: and the kids are losing it and so like in

511
00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:46,400
Speaker 4: the car, weirdly, my my kids are into the song

512
00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,080
Speaker 4: Chop Suey by System of the Down at the moment.

513
00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:50,720
Speaker 2: This morning, Chop suey.

514
00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:52,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, and so they're requesting chop sewey in the car

515
00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:54,800
Speaker 4: on the way to school. So we're in the morning like.

516
00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:59,640
Speaker 2: Click up, wait till they get toxicity.

517
00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:02,920
Speaker 1: That's going to happen. Sarah's going to come back and

518
00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:05,119
Speaker 1: they're going to have bar time they go. This is

519
00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:06,040
Speaker 1: not how dad doesn't.

520
00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:09,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, like where's test Like the four minute mark.

521
00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:13,000
Speaker 2: It helps. I've got a nightlight. There's also doubles as

522
00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:17,520
Speaker 2: a strobe at homes. Really get the full affare.

523
00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:19,800
Speaker 1: You walk in the front door and there's just closed

524
00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:22,000
Speaker 1: sticks everywhere, baggies on the floor.

525
00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:28,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, seven day Ray we did.

526
00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:30,280
Speaker 4: We did burgers as well, So like I'm pulling out

527
00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:32,800
Speaker 4: even the dinner stops. Like on a Monday night, we

528
00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:34,960
Speaker 4: had cheeseburgers for dinner, which is like not.

529
00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:35,560
Speaker 3: A normal thing.

530
00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:37,160
Speaker 2: That's heavy hitters straight.

531
00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:41,000
Speaker 4: I'm trying to like, yeah, giving me good, good experience

532
00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:42,600
Speaker 4: because I know that they're probably a bit tend to

533
00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:44,720
Speaker 4: be like, holy shit, that's on his own heat.

534
00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:47,320
Speaker 1: I'm always jealous when kids eat hamburgers. My kids don't

535
00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:49,760
Speaker 1: need it, so I can only imagine what that's like.

536
00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:52,840
Speaker 2: One day, Matthew, one day we'll get to experience.

537
00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:54,560
Speaker 1: That did you always want to be a dad?

538
00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:56,360
Speaker 3: I always thought I would be a dad.

539
00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:58,320
Speaker 4: There's never been a time in my life where I thought,

540
00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:00,800
Speaker 4: you know, I don't want kids, was ready to be

541
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:01,200
Speaker 4: a dad.

542
00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:01,359
Speaker 2: No.

543
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:03,080
Speaker 4: I think there was a time in my life when

544
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,200
Speaker 4: I met Sarah where it kind of came to the forefront.

545
00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:06,920
Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, I want to be a dad

546
00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:08,639
Speaker 4: with her. And I know for her there was a

547
00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:10,320
Speaker 4: time in her life where she didn't want kids, and

548
00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:12,920
Speaker 4: I think and it changed when her and I met,

549
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:14,560
Speaker 4: and I think, yeah, when you meet the right person,

550
00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:16,160
Speaker 4: you go yeah, I think.

551
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:16,720
Speaker 3: Now's the time.

552
00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:18,240
Speaker 2: Where did you meet? Where'd you meet?

553
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:19,080
Speaker 3: Sir? Sarah?

554
00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,320
Speaker 4: And I've got a really long meeting story. I won't

555
00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,199
Speaker 4: tell the whole thing because it's a long one, but

556
00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,360
Speaker 4: we met out in King's Cross, the jungle of Sydney

557
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,800
Speaker 4: and it's bad. Yeah, he's a back that's good to hear.

558
00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:32,399
Speaker 4: I feel sorry for the kids these days. But we

559
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:34,959
Speaker 4: met there, nothing happened. We kind of were both at

560
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,080
Speaker 4: two separate clubs in kings Cross. She was at Hugo's

561
00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:39,240
Speaker 4: and I was at the club it was called Downstairs

562
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:44,560
Speaker 4: and great establishments. We both socially smoked cigarettes to that

563
00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:46,840
Speaker 4: point in life, we don't smoke anymore, thankfully, and we'd

564
00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:50,040
Speaker 4: gone out for a cigarette and we got chatting. And

565
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:53,200
Speaker 4: then three weeks later, she popped up on my Facebook feed,

566
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,040
Speaker 4: because it wasn't it was an Instagram at that point,

567
00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:57,159
Speaker 4: popped up on my Facebook feed, tagged in a photo

568
00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,280
Speaker 4: and I was like, that's a girl I was talking to,

569
00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:01,640
Speaker 4: and I added her, sent her a DM and I said, hey,

570
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:02,800
Speaker 4: remember me, and she was like.

571
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 3: No, made a real impressure, made their own pression.

572
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:11,160
Speaker 4: And then over several weeks, eventually went for a first

573
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:14,720
Speaker 4: date with her, and then that went really well. But

574
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,440
Speaker 4: then over time she kind of then got a little

575
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:19,479
Speaker 4: bit more distant. And at the time, you know, it

576
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 4: was like the very beginning of dating apps and so

577
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,919
Speaker 4: like it was getting to like that time where Tinder

578
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,480
Speaker 4: had just launched and you could go on a date

579
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 4: like every day of the week if you wanted, and

580
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:32,159
Speaker 4: it was kind of and so I was in this

581
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,240
Speaker 4: like I was in my mid twenties. I was in

582
00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 4: party boy Murder, I was going out all the time,

583
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,000
Speaker 4: and I remember feeling this distance from her, and I

584
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:40,680
Speaker 4: actually had a really good first date and she kind

585
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,199
Speaker 4: of stuck in my mind. So I put myself out there,

586
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,119
Speaker 4: which I wouldn't have normally done, and I sent her

587
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,199
Speaker 4: this texture saying, hey, I kind of sense a bit

588
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 4: of distance. Did I do something to offend you? I

589
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 4: just want to let you know, like, actually had a

590
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:53,119
Speaker 4: really good night with you the other night, and I

591
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 4: just want to see you again. And then I got

592
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 4: this essay back going, well, actually, yeah, you have done.

593
00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:59,920
Speaker 4: I only hear from you from Friday nights on wood.

594
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 4: You don't call me, you only text me. You've been out.

595
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 4: You post photos and videos of like you partying every

596
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 4: night with different people. Basically, you're a fuck boy, and

597
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 4: that's how you're being perceived.

598
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,200
Speaker 3: Right, Okay, And in my mind.

599
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 4: Did you sounds like a not at all, not at all,

600
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 4: because from my perspective Monday to Friday, I was just

601
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:22,439
Speaker 4: at work and I was working like dog. I'd get

602
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,160
Speaker 4: to the I'd get to Friday night and go, okay,

603
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,119
Speaker 4: take a breath, let's do something because socialize, and then

604
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,640
Speaker 4: I'd message her. So I kind of took the feedback

605
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 4: on board, and then I said it was like kind

606
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,880
Speaker 4: of December, and I said, hey, feedback taken, Let's start

607
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,040
Speaker 4: again in the new Year. I'll take that feedback on board.

608
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 4: And she's like cool.

609
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,199
Speaker 3: And so then like the first of January, I message

610
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:41,640
Speaker 3: her like new Year, let's go.

611
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 4: Like She's like, it's really early, but I just want

612
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:44,880
Speaker 4: to let you know, like I've gone on a couple

613
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 4: of dates with someone. I'm not the type to kind

614
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 4: of speak to kind of two people. I was at

615
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 4: that point. I was like, that's okay. She says that

616
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:55,640
Speaker 4: she'd gone on a couple of dates to this dude,

617
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 4: and I was like, that's all right. I'm going to

618
00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 4: be really persistent. I'll speak to you in a couple

619
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 4: of weeks. And that doesn't work out, like we're.

620
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:02,680
Speaker 3: Going on a date, right.

621
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,440
Speaker 4: And so then I'm out to dinner with a really

622
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 4: good friend of mine, girlfriend of mine who I've been

623
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 4: friends with few years, just a friend. She's telling me

624
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 4: about she'd been with a guy for several years and

625
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 4: they've broken up, and I was kind of sharing stories about,

626
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 4: you know, our love lives, and she's telling me about

627
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,639
Speaker 4: this the ex boyfriend, and I said, I went on

628
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 4: this day with this girl. I really liked her, but

629
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,160
Speaker 4: she's now seeing someone. But I'm just seeing where.

630
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:25,880
Speaker 3: Things end up. Da da dada da.

631
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,200
Speaker 4: Anyway, she tells me about her ex boyfriend. They've broken

632
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 4: up and he's seeing a girl. He's like, this is

633
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 4: the girl he's seeing, shows me a photo and Sarah

634
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 4: and my heart sank and I was like what firstly,

635
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 4: because also I knew this dude, and this dude was

636
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:42,680
Speaker 4: a dick. So I was like, okay, well, she's like

637
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 4: a movie.

638
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:45,159
Speaker 3: She likes him, she doesn't like me.

639
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,239
Speaker 4: So then I've then excused myself from this dinner and

640
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 4: gone home because I'm like burning on the inside to

641
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:55,440
Speaker 4: call Sarah. And so I called Sarah on the way home.

642
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 4: I just said, hey, I just kind of told her

643
00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 4: the story, and I said this not to be offensive anyway,

644
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:01,679
Speaker 4: and I don't want to go into it anyway, but

645
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:03,399
Speaker 4: if you like this dude, you don't like me, and

646
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 4: so it's all good. I know, I said, I was

647
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 4: going to be really persistent. I didn't want you to

648
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:08,119
Speaker 4: think that I'm going back on my word because you

649
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 4: don't hear from me. I just wanted to let you

650
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 4: know that.

651
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 3: And I left it at that.

652
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 4: She's like, what do you mean, Well tell me what.

653
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,440
Speaker 4: I'm like, No, that's it, and then I just left

654
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 4: it and then she's texting me going thanks for whatever

655
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 4: that was. Because I was kind of being a bit cryptic.

656
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 4: I didn't want to bad mouth this guy because it

657
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 4: kind of looked like me just being jealous, right, So

658
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 4: I didn't say anything about him, but I just said

659
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 4: we're two very different people, so like, it's if you

660
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:28,679
Speaker 4: like that kind of guy, then you're probably not going

661
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:29,199
Speaker 4: to be to me.

662
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 3: And so left at that. And then two weeks.

663
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 4: Later, obviously she kind of came to the realization this

664
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,159
Speaker 4: guy was a bit of a dick. Messaged me and

665
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 4: just said hi, which was the first thing I messaged

666
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 4: her on Facebook. Was just high. And so then we

667
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 4: went on our second date, which was Valentine. Yeah, and

668
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:48,680
Speaker 4: then that was it. We were on Valentine's Day, we

669
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 4: kissed for the first time. We did like a trapeze

670
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,119
Speaker 4: cast at a and then I took it to the

671
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 4: circus show that was on. Actually, so this is a

672
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,159
Speaker 4: idea for a first date. If anyone's listening for a

673
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,399
Speaker 4: first day, do not do this unless you're very flexible

674
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 4: as a man. And so I took her to Centennial

675
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 4: Park in some of they do trapeze classes in Centennial

676
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 4: Park and so I booked this thing, and then I

677
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,640
Speaker 4: booked one of those Fox Studios circus shows that they

678
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:20,919
Speaker 4: have come through sometimes and dinner, so it was like

679
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 4: a circus themed date and it was Valentine's Day. So

680
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,680
Speaker 4: I've taken her to this class. I'm the least flexible person,

681
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 4: you know, I guarantee in this room, out of the

682
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:31,879
Speaker 4: three of us, I'm the least mobility.

683
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 3: Is like a seven year old.

684
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 4: Anyway, We've got this guy teaching us who is jacked,

685
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 4: like you know what, the gymnast dude. He's like, he's

686
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,120
Speaker 4: got his shirt off, he's got like ten abs. He's

687
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 4: walking around and he's doing all the stuff.

688
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 3: And then.

689
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 4: Come on and at the time, I was like doing

690
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 4: some pretty heavy weights. I was quite built, and I

691
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:53,239
Speaker 4: was like I got this, Like I'm going to get

692
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 4: up there. It's like strength, I've got strength, I'll do it.

693
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,199
Speaker 4: And it's got really little to do with strength, Like

694
00:27:58,280 --> 00:27:59,679
Speaker 4: you can do a chin up, but then you have

695
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 4: to be to scoop your legs back and over this thing.

696
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,640
Speaker 4: And so I'm up in the air upside down, just

697
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 4: banging my shins against this metal.

698
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 3: Pole because I can't get it. Just don't fuck while

699
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 3: she's watching it. Then I've got this instructor like gracefully

700
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 3: doing it, showing her how it's done. And so it

701
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 3: was just a really funny day and then we went

702
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,159
Speaker 3: to the circus. But it all went well with you.

703
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 3: But yeah, don't it's nice to.

704
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 2: Get your out of the way of the way.

705
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:29,880
Speaker 1: How many have you had?

706
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 2: None? Goodness?

707
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 1: Again, were you prepared? Do you think for the changes

708
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: that were going to happen to you after the kids

709
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 1: arrived and you became a dad?

710
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:47,719
Speaker 3: No, definitely not.

711
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 4: I think we're pretty useless as like specially dad's telling

712
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 4: each other what's to come.

713
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 3: It's kind of we default, hold the funk on, get.

714
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 4: Ready, like things are going to get crazy and I'm

715
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 4: going to sleep every again and all those sorts of things.

716
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 4: And in a way, so like it's kind of a

717
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 4: little bit true for a short period of time, but

718
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 4: really I was pleasantly surprised after having kids of like

719
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 4: that part of it.

720
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 3: Like it was really nice.

721
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 4: I had two weeks off work and I got to

722
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 4: sit and watch sport with my with my kids sleeping

723
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 4: on me, and it was a really nice period that

724
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 4: baby bubble afterwards, those first two to four weeks I

725
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,959
Speaker 4: loved it. I think what I wasn't prepared for was

726
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 4: the responsibility of being a parent and realizing that this

727
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 4: feeling doesn't go away. You know, you are now responsible

728
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 4: for this kid for the next at least eighteen years,

729
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 4: and you will worry about them in the same way

730
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 4: your parents did of everything they do. And I think

731
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 4: about all the things I did as a kid, and

732
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 4: I think, oh, I grew up in a relatively strict

733
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 4: household where I couldn't just go and do anything I wanted.

734
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 4: And I think my parents were probably too lenient on me.

735
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:53,959
Speaker 4: Now that I think about all the things that I did,

736
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 4: and would I want my kids doing what I did? Know,

737
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 4: I don't think I would, you know, And that scares

738
00:29:58,120 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 4: the shit out of me. I got two boys, and

739
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 4: I think, if they've got the crazy side of me,

740
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 4: they're going to do some crazy stuff. And I used

741
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:06,719
Speaker 4: to do a lot of crazy stuff, and I just

742
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 4: don't anymore because I used to feel that people go, oh, well,

743
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 4: you ride a motorbike or I used to I used

744
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 4: to be into a hobby of mine was canyoning. What Yeah,

745
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 4: Me and a group of mates got heavily into canyoning

746
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 4: for a while I don't know if you know what

747
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 4: that is.

748
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 2: It's like, why don't you take a canyon for the

749
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 2: first day.

750
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 4: So canyoning is where you go like you can do

751
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 4: it in the Blue Mountains in New South Wales and

752
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 4: you ab sail into the kind of crevice between where

753
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 4: two mountains me and you go into what is this

754
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,239
Speaker 4: avatar land and you have to the only way in

755
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 4: and out is often ab sailing down and down and down,

756
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 4: and you then kind of have to walk yourway's there's

757
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 4: a lot of free climbing rocks, there's a lot of

758
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 4: ads sailing, there's a lot of swimming. You're jumping into

759
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 4: pools of water where you don't know how deep they

760
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 4: are from an incredible height. It's adventure to the max

761
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 4: and it is the most incredible experience. And we started

762
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 4: off with beginner ones and we kind of started to

763
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 4: work our way up. The last one we did we

764
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 4: actually end up getting lost in and had rescue helicopters

765
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 4: out looking for us. We just never came home. Oh shit,

766
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 4: I didn't rock up to work on Monday. We went

767
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 4: on a Sunday. Six of us lost in the mountain news.

768
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:20,239
Speaker 4: It didn't make the news everyone survived. But anyway, so

769
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 4: like I'll do stuff like that, and people would say

770
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 4: to me, doesn't not worry that you're riding a motorbike,

771
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 4: or doesn't worry if you can jump out a plane,

772
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 4: and doesn't like you hear all these stats about how

773
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 4: many people have died doing this or that, and I'll.

774
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 3: Be like this, I don't instructible.

775
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 4: Not not even I actually thought I was very destructible,

776
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 4: but like I could live my life fearing what could happen,

777
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 4: or I could just live my life happy and die

778
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 4: at the age of thirty going fast on a motorbike

779
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 4: and happy, and Okay, that's that's the way I was

780
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 4: meant to go. And I kind of had told myself

781
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 4: that that if that's the way I'm meant to go,

782
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 4: then that's the way I meant to go. I wasn't

783
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 4: trying to be brave. It wasn't bravery, Like I was

784
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 4: very careful and I didn't do stupid things like in

785
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 4: terms of like if I rode a motorbike, I wrote

786
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 4: it properly and I wasn't right like an idiot, but

787
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 4: like it was just that's life. I want to live

788
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:04,719
Speaker 4: my life with the things that I want to do

789
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 4: and I never imagine changing that because that's the way

790
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 4: you always are, and for thirty something years of my life,

791
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 4: that's how I was. And then one day I'd be

792
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 4: like that and my brain would go through that process

793
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 4: of going that's all and I, oh, wait a minute, No,

794
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 4: if I leave, my kids have got no one, they

795
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 4: don't have a dad. My wife's on her own trying

796
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:27,959
Speaker 4: to take care of two kids. I've got a second income,

797
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 4: and da da da dadaha. And that for me was

798
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 4: like whoa Like I didn't expect that. And as a result,

799
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 4: I've done nothing crazy since I've I haven't gone Kenyoning,

800
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 4: I don't ride a motorbike.

801
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: It's the fact that you know, I'm getting towards forty,

802
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 1: so you know, as you get older you experience people

803
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 1: passing away around you. Or if it's the fact that

804
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 1: now you have to think of mortality because you got

805
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: these little kids. If it's a combination of the two,

806
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: but yeah, I think about my mortality is so much

807
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 1: more since becoming a dad, And I'm like, you know,

808
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: if I'm not here, you know they what they think

809
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 1: of me as their dad if I'm not around.

810
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 4: Totally like that, and that responsibility is never going to

811
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 4: leave you. I think there's this thought that, oh, okay,

812
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 4: they're little babies, now I just need to keep them

813
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 4: alive for the next few months, right, And then they

814
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 4: get to toddlers and they start running and you're like, okay,

815
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 4: now they can run in the pool and off the edge.

816
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,239
Speaker 4: We just need to get through this little toddler face

817
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 4: where they're not quite conscious. And then you can't keep

818
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 4: telling yourself you just need to get through this phase.

819
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 4: And then I start thinking, I'm like, shit, what was

820
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 4: I doing at eighteen years old? I was at festival's dull.

821
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 3: And who knows what?

822
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 4: Like I'm going to be worrying then, and I put

823
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 4: myself in my I'm definitely like my mom. My mum

824
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 4: is a warrior and she would till to this day.

825
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 4: My mom will call me if I've got the flu

826
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 4: six times a day.

827
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 3: Are you okay? Have you had your lemon?

828
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 4: And honey, oh man, I'm thirty eight years old, Like

829
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 4: it's okay, I'm not going to die, It's everything's fine.

830
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:53,959
Speaker 1: Like I'm coming over there.

831
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 4: I think I'm going to be that dad. I think

832
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 4: I'm going to be calling him at like thirty is coming,

833
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 4: it's everything, okay, do you make it home all right?

834
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 4: And like, you know, that real level of responsibility. I

835
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 4: just didn't think that would ever be me, but it is.

836
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: Yeah.

837
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 2: It's funny, isn't that where your mind shift changes so much?

838
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:09,760
Speaker 1: Where Yeah, at.

839
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 2: Nineteen to into my twenties, felt fearless in some respects,

840
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:20,839
Speaker 2: but then now I'm like, oh shit, yeah, like you Like,

841
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 2: it's funny when you're in that moment you sort of

842
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 2: picture them a bit, yeah, like oh yeah, okay.

843
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 4: You don't really like you don't matter anymore in a way,

844
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 4: like it's not that you don't matter, but like you're

845
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 4: not the center of that decision.

846
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know.

847
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 3: And before you were, you were the said to her,

848
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, this is my life. I do

849
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 3: it the way that I want.

850
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. You mentioned your mum before. Tell us a little

851
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 2: bit about the relationship with your mum.

852
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 4: So my mum, I think you know, has always been

853
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 4: a very caring, loving, patient sort of mum.

854
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 3: I think you know I mentioned before.

855
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 4: Having the love of your parents' is luck, and being

856
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 4: born into that is really lucky. I think when I

857
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 4: look at my upbringing, a lot of confidence was driven

858
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 4: through my mom. I couldn't do wrong in my mom's eyes.

859
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 4: My mum always had my back. You can do anything

860
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 4: you put my mind to your mind, sign you do it.

861
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:11,240
Speaker 4: And I think that's really understated in society at the moment,

862
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 4: Like to be giving your kid that confidence. I think

863
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,320
Speaker 4: there's a lot of confidence issues. And again, having two boys,

864
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,800
Speaker 4: there's a lot of youth suicide.

865
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 3: Amongst young men.

866
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 4: And I think black people always asking what do you

867
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:24,919
Speaker 4: want for your kids? Like, if there's one thing I say,

868
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 4: like I can give my kid, one thing would be

869
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 4: self confidence because again, like you know, I grew up

870
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:34,360
Speaker 4: with immigrant parents, middlely some background in a country that

871
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 4: didn't really love middle some people growing up, and.

872
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 3: I was short. I was chubby as a kid as well.

873
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 4: You know, like if I didn't have self confidence, and

874
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 4: I'll tell you, like I had a lot of self confidence,

875
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,359
Speaker 4: no one would have ever gone on poor Matt. I

876
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,959
Speaker 4: was always self confident, and I took that for grant.

877
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 4: I just thought that was how I was built. But no,

878
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 4: I was built that way by my parents giving me confidence.

879
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 4: And my mom was very very good in that she

880
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 4: made me always feel like, you know, I've got what

881
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 4: it takes and I've got everything that I need.

882
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: You might not know the answer to this question, but

883
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 1: I'll try. And Malak, was there any activity that you

884
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 1: were going to attempt that your mom was like, you

885
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 1: can do this. It sticks out as a.

886
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 4: Core memory, nothing in terms of like an actual kind

887
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 4: of big moment or anything. But she would be the

888
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 4: person who helped me study a lot of the time.

889
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 4: So I'd write all my notes from my exam and

890
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,359
Speaker 4: then she would have them in front of her and

891
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 4: I'd try to memorize them or to recite them, and

892
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 4: she would give me the answers and so like she'd.

893
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 3: Be like, Okay, you can do it. You can do it.

894
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 4: You've got man, how am I going to remember all

895
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 4: these answers? So she would help me through exams and

896
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 4: things like that, be like, you've got it, You're gonna remember,

897
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 4: You're gonna remember so.

898
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 3: HC exams and you tend school certificate stuff.

899
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 4: Just being in my mom's room, she's in bed and

900
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 4: she just got all my notes, but just throw random

901
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 4: questions out at me.

902
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 2: She's like your biggest cheer.

903
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, And so is that how you think you

904
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: want to parent your boys?

905
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 3: Yeah?

906
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 4: I think telling them I can't is not in the

907
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 4: vocabular and you know, with hard work and intention, you

908
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 4: can do anything. And I think the immigrant mentality in

909
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 4: that way is really really strong, and I don't want

910
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 4: to lose that because that's how we're brought up. So

911
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 4: we came to this country with absolutely nothing. My grandfather

912
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 4: came with a suitcase and went door knocking and knocking

913
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 4: on doors and selling random things out of a suitcase

914
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 4: to people in their homes, built up enough money, opened

915
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:28,919
Speaker 4: up a fruit and vegetare, then made heaps of money

916
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 4: from that fruit and vegetare, and then unfortunately died in

917
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 4: his fifties getting run over outside of that fruit and

918
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 4: vegetare before I ever.

919
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 3: Got to meet him.

920
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 4: But like, that sort of mentality is like what I

921
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 4: was brought up on. My dad was a car salesman.

922
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 4: I didn't come, I didn't had nothing fed to me,

923
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 4: but I was always told with hard work and intention,

924
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 4: I can do what I want. And I've gone through

925
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 4: a corporate career where I had the privilege of leading

926
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 4: big groups of people and people got to oh, I

927
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 4: can't do this or we've got this.

928
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:57,839
Speaker 3: I was like, no, you can.

929
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 4: Actually, You've got every think you need. Like, if you

930
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 4: just work hard, that's all you need. Not you don't

931
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 4: need a You don't need it, particularly in what will do.

932
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 4: I worked in advertising and marketing. You don't need a degree. Like,

933
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 4: it doesn't actually make it. I've got a degree, it

934
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 4: doesn't make it any better at your job. And so

935
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,919
Speaker 4: it's like, you've got everything you need, just work hard,

936
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 4: good intentions.

937
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: It's hard when you come from generations where they've had

938
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:22,439
Speaker 1: to work so hard to get where you are now

939
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: and you're finally at a point where you're really comfortable.

940
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 1: You're like, I want to give my kids what I

941
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 1: didn't have the luxury of having, but at the same time,

942
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: I want to have a bit of resilience. Yes, well

943
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 1: it is.

944
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 4: It's a hard balance between those two things. And I

945
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:36,439
Speaker 4: think about this all the time, Like.

946
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,320
Speaker 1: My kids are like I want rollerblayers, and I'm like, sure.

947
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 4: Exactly, yeah, And I'm the same, like we spoil our kids.

948
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 4: I think I've spent literally ten thousand dollars on Pokemon

949
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 4: cars recently, Like, yeah, seriously, I don't know you even

950
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 4: sure if I'm exaggerating with that, right, No.

951
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 2: I'm with you, and I know exactly you are not exaggerating.

952
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 3: I bought him a thing the other day that was

953
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 3: three hundred bucks a box. He's like the Charizard e

954
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:04,839
Speaker 3: xbox cool. Like, you know, I'm still in this thing

955
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 3: where it's like, yeah, their cards, like how much could

956
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 3: they be? And I was like three hundred. I was

957
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 3: like what how much are these? Like three hundred bucks

958
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 3: are like Jesus, okay, I'm gone too far. I've said, yes,

959
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:15,760
Speaker 3: you've gotten off the shelf.

960
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 4: So yeah, there is a little bit of that, but

961
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 4: I always think, okay, like because my dad was definitely

962
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 4: the disciplinarian of my two parents, and I think you

963
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 4: need that as well, right, And like you know, I was.

964
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:29,800
Speaker 4: I was scared of my dad until I was an adult,

965
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 4: and then once I became an adult, our relationship blossom

966
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 4: because I kind of, you know, I was old enough

967
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 4: to have that.

968
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 3: But as a kid, I was like, don't mess with

969
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 3: the dad, Like dad will f me up, you know.

970
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 4: So so part of me is always like, okay, so

971
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 4: I need I am the disciplinarian out of Sarah and

972
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,399
Speaker 4: I Sarah's so like loving and sweet all the time,

973
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 4: which I love about her. So I'm like, I don't

974
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 4: want my kids to be scared of me because I

975
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 4: want to have a relationship before they're adults.

976
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 3: But at the same.

977
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:03,240
Speaker 1: Time times easier, but at the same.

978
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 4: Time it's like I want them to have some form

979
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 4: of discipline and not and build that resilience of not

980
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 4: getting everything they want and having to put two feet

981
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,320
Speaker 4: in front of each other to figure it out themselves.

982
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 4: This week, while Thereah has been away, there's been like

983
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 4: the recycling has piled up. I posted this the other day.

984
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,399
Speaker 4: I was like, guys, we're taking out the rubbish. They're like, yeah,

985
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 4: what do you mean by that? Like we are taking

986
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 4: out the rubbish used to I'm not sure that through that,

987
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 4: And so like my little ones two and a half,

988
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 4: he's like getting piled up with boxes.

989
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 3: He's like, what is happening here?

990
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 4: And then I've just piled them up and they're walking

991
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:43,800
Speaker 4: down the hallway to the front and they're dropping them everywhere.

992
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: But I'm like four year olds used to sweep chimneys

993
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: you can take out of the cardboard.

994
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 3: Last night it was like bedtime.

995
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, every toy in the living room back

996
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,839
Speaker 4: into the bedrooms now, and they were like, right, like what.

997
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 3: Do you mean?

998
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 4: Like malicks like I'm only doing my toys. I'm like, no, no, no,

999
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 4: you miss you missed the memo. Like you guys are

1000
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 4: picking up every toy that currently exists in the living

1001
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 4: room and putting it in your bedroom until then there

1002
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,839
Speaker 4: is no milk, right, And so it's just like so

1003
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:14,720
Speaker 4: like there is this levelhold yeah, because like I feel

1004
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:16,800
Speaker 4: like there's it gets to a point where it's just

1005
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 4: too easy for him. Everything gets done for him. I

1006
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 4: had to clean my own room. These days, kids don't

1007
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:22,839
Speaker 4: clean their room. We've got a cleaner that comes once

1008
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 4: a week. I'm like, no, I want them to clean

1009
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 4: their own room at least tidy.

1010
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 2: Like we've got some house rules now we've implemented, and

1011
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 2: it is after we play, we tidy what we play with.

1012
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 2: They forget that every time, they'll forget it within a

1013
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 2: couple of minutes.

1014
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh my god, it doesn't it doesn't actually

1015
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 4: enter their brain, Like you have to really remind them.

1016
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, if I forgot any of my uniform, if I

1017
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: lost the hat at primary school, like a couple of

1018
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 1: beating and like you get shamed for it, Like I remember,

1019
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 1: Marley was the first week, I like, where's your hat?

1020
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 1: To the fucking.

1021
00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 2: And then you had a surpluss of hats.

1022
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 1: It's like to Laura, I'm like, should made the kids

1023
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 1: scared of us a bit more? Should we?

1024
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 3: Should we?

1025
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,359
Speaker 2: Like? Just so I could go wrong?

1026
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 3: Like what do you think of kids these days swearing

1027
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 3: at their parents?

1028
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 4: That's like if I said fuck you to my mom

1029
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 4: or my dad, see you later.

1030
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,320
Speaker 1: Because I lived with my mom, so my mom was

1031
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 1: always like if you never would have said that to

1032
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 1: me when you were younger, And yeah.

1033
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 2: I think like me growing up, my parents never swore,

1034
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 2: So I used to swear, not around them. I used

1035
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:31,800
Speaker 2: to get in trouble for it because I didn't. I

1036
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 2: would rebel with that. I have not stopped swearing, and

1037
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 2: I made a point, you can. You're going to change

1038
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 2: me so much this part of my life. You're not changing.

1039
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 2: Shut the fuck up. And I've lived by that, and

1040
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 2: my kids know. They've never sworn at me. I think

1041
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 2: Oscar called April once a dirty little rat. Other time.

1042
00:42:55,080 --> 00:43:00,320
Speaker 1: That's hurtful, like ashy bash, he swears a lot.

1043
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 4: Did you ever do that thing that it was happening

1044
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 4: on social media where you get you leave your kid

1045
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 4: alone and just see what I did that with Malika

1046
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 4: when he was three, and I was gobsmacked. I could

1047
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 4: not believe it. He he's the sweetest kid at my

1048
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 4: older side, and I'd never heard him swear. And I

1049
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 4: left him in the room or I said to you, look,

1050
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 4: if you need to swear, say whatever you want to

1051
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 4: get it out of your system now. But after I

1052
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,359
Speaker 4: come back in no more. And I was thinking I

1053
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 4: was going to get like poo poo, and we were

1054
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 4: at that age and the first thing that came out

1055
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:30,839
Speaker 4: of his mouth when I watched the video back was

1056
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 4: fucking now like and it even sounded like my dad.

1057
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 4: My dad heard it and goes, I'm in trouble here, because.

1058
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds like mum. When we did it with Oscar,

1059
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 2: it would just I was like, that sounds exactly like you.

1060
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 2: Baby was fu sake, Fu sake. And it was like

1061
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:52,800
Speaker 2: this weird like fu sake, Like she wasn't.

1062
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: Shoulders up.

1063
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:57,800
Speaker 2: Like you fucking dog.

1064
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 3: I was shocked, couldn't believe it.

1065
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 4: But we always say to hear, you're not going to

1066
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:06,280
Speaker 4: get in trouble for swearing around us. But swearing makes

1067
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 4: some people feel uncomfortable, so don't swear in front of

1068
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 4: other people. You can swear at home in the right

1069
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 4: context at times, or don't swear arount other people, that's right,

1070
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 4: and definitely do not swear the intent at mumble. If

1071
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 4: he ever swore at us would be a different story.

1072
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 2: Sometimes you just got to get it out.

1073
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 3: Hyeah.

1074
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 2: For me is every second.

1075
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 1: It's just the attitude of my kids. Do you want

1076
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 1: to clean your room? They're like, fine, that's as bad

1077
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 1: as swearing.

1078
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 2: You might right up.

1079
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:38,320
Speaker 1: I think it was two twenty three, after you'd already

1080
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:42,879
Speaker 1: had your your son, you guys experienced a miscarriage. Can

1081
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 1: you remember what it was like trying to deal with

1082
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:45,280
Speaker 1: that situation.

1083
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're always kind of conscious of.

1084
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 4: We had a lot of friends who had gone through

1085
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 4: miscarriages and family as well, so we're always kind of

1086
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 4: conscious of. Even before we started trying, and I remember

1087
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,919
Speaker 4: before we started trying for kids, we were like, Okay,

1088
00:44:57,920 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 4: we're going to do everything right. We've decide we're going

1089
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 4: to try I'm going to go to the naturopath. We're

1090
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 4: gonna get all our like vitamins checked probably over sharing here,

1091
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 4: but like Sarah didn't have like a regular cycle either,

1092
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 4: so we wanted to kind of understand what that meant,

1093
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 4: and I remember going to the naturopath and we had

1094
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,399
Speaker 4: this meeting and she was like, yeah, so it kind

1095
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 4: of means that, like you've probably got two days every

1096
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 4: three months where you guys can feel pregnant. And I

1097
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 4: was like, holy shit, I've spent my whole adult life

1098
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 4: trying not to get people pregnant. It's this hard, strange.

1099
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 4: So I remember thinking like hearing that, going okay, this

1100
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:31,720
Speaker 4: is normal.

1101
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: What's normal for the window?

1102
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 4: I think four or five days, and like two days

1103
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:38,879
Speaker 4: is like peak time, and then the other two days

1104
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 4: like not peak time, right, and so like.

1105
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:44,359
Speaker 2: I just had a funny for three men sitting around

1106
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:50,720
Speaker 2: talking about it. There three guys at a pub and.

1107
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 4: So so I remember saying that and thinking, okay, well

1108
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 4: we could like be trying for a long time here.

1109
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 4: And then thankfully we felt pregnant pretty quickly after we'd

1110
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 4: kind of gotten we took our chance essentially, and it

1111
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 4: was all.

1112
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:06,959
Speaker 3: Good and well, remember thinking we're really relieved, and then

1113
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 3: after that it kind of escaped us.

1114
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 4: We were like, okay, well we felt pregnant pretty quick

1115
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 4: and we're really blessed for that. And then when we

1116
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 4: had the second you kind of just go to the

1117
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:16,359
Speaker 4: second going, oh, we've been through all this before, and

1118
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 4: you're a lot more chill about things, and you think,

1119
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 4: you know, the female body's gone through the process, it's.

1120
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 3: Going to be easy.

1121
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 4: And then had a miscarriage after telling our family, which

1122
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 4: you know, we told them a lot sooner this time,

1123
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 4: and all those things because we were a lot more

1124
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 4: relaxed about it.

1125
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 1: How many weeks Sarah was.

1126
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 4: Nine weeks, ten weeks, relatively early on, and knowing that

1127
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 4: kind of had happened to a lot of people, with

1128
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 4: my family and friends, and I think, just being the

1129
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 4: type of person I am, I went into let's see it.

1130
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 3: We're good, don't worry.

1131
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 4: This happens all the time. And all the stats. I

1132
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 4: Sarah always when we go flying, she's not a great fly.

1133
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 4: She's like, read me the stats.

1134
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 2: The stats.

1135
00:46:57,600 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 4: I'm like, you're more likely to die with the sharks.

1136
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 4: You're more likely that like, turbulence is normal, this is

1137
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:05,839
Speaker 4: I just read all these flight stats and she feels better.

1138
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 3: I had to record it for her trip to Paris.

1139
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 4: I send her an audio note, going, please keep this

1140
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:12,840
Speaker 4: in case of emergency. She said she used it on

1141
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 4: the way anyway. So I go into like solution mode.

1142
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 4: So I'm like, don't worry, like we would move on

1143
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 4: and d and I was kind of like really just

1144
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 4: brushing it under the carpet. And it wasn't until like

1145
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 4: hindsight's a great thing, but like afterwards and having a

1146
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 4: conversation with Sarah about it, that I realized I probably

1147
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 4: didn't handle it too well. I was probably too solution focused.

1148
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 4: She just wanted someone to listen, take it in, just

1149
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:39,760
Speaker 4: tell her she's going to you know, yeah, like maybe

1150
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,320
Speaker 4: just yeah, like let the let her have the moment

1151
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 4: to grieve and and not be okay with it and

1152
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 4: not try to pretend it was nothing and it's common

1153
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 4: and not provide a solution.

1154
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 3: And I didn't at the time. I definitely handled it wrong.

1155
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 4: And we had a conversation about it afterwards, and I

1156
00:47:57,840 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 4: kind of came to the realization.

1157
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, no, you're right, I went into

1158
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:01,760
Speaker 3: default mode.

1159
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:04,280
Speaker 1: And do you think you were trying to protect yourself

1160
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 1: at all?

1161
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 4: I think so, yeah, there's definitely an element of that,

1162
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 4: like trying not to think about it and move on.

1163
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 3: I try not to let.

1164
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 4: Myself get ever too high or too low, like I

1165
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 4: feel like for me personally, I try to stay even

1166
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:18,840
Speaker 4: killed and I don't get carried away with the winds,

1167
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 4: and I try to move on from the losses, pretty queen,

1168
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 4: and go, oh, it's not going to get any worse

1169
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 4: than this.

1170
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:24,439
Speaker 3: We just got to move on things that can only

1171
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:24,879
Speaker 3: get better.

1172
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,399
Speaker 4: So I kind of tried to apply that to her

1173
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:31,280
Speaker 4: way of thinking, and she's obviously feeling something very different

1174
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 4: to me. And yeah, I think it's not that I

1175
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 4: was obviously HEARDing about it, but I felt like my

1176
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 4: role in that scenario was to be strong, and I

1177
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 4: was trying to play my role to be strong because

1178
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 4: I think if I fell then it'd make it worse

1179
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:46,879
Speaker 4: for her. That's at least what was going through my head.

1180
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 4: But I think she just wanted someone to grieve with her.

1181
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 2: It's sort of like a reflect right where you like,

1182
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 2: I try and solve the problem when sometimes you just

1183
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 2: got to sit with them in it just being heard

1184
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,839
Speaker 2: without the problem solving. It's so like I said, it's

1185
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 2: such a reflex. Yeah, I'll solve this problem like totally.

1186
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 4: And when it comes to health stuff, I'm actually not

1187
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:11,359
Speaker 4: the better of the two of us, Like we both

1188
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 4: play our roles in different parts of our lives, and

1189
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:15,399
Speaker 4: she's the rock in some things and I'm the rock

1190
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 4: and other things. And when it comes to health, she's

1191
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 4: actually a lot better than me when the kids are sick.

1192
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:21,919
Speaker 4: And you know, Maley had a really severe arm break

1193
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 4: at the end of last year, and you know, she

1194
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 4: was handling a lot better than I. I couldn't look

1195
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:29,240
Speaker 4: at the kid like it was devastating. His arms snapped

1196
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 4: in half from the elbow whilst at daycare, which is

1197
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 4: even more frustrated. And yeah, like she handles that stuff

1198
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 4: much better than me. So I felt like, Matt, this

1199
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 4: is a health thing now, like we've just had a miscarriage.

1200
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 4: Don't be a dick. Keep your shit together. She's gonna

1201
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 4: need you. She's going to be very like upset about this.

1202
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 4: And so I was like extra trying to like keep

1203
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 4: my shit together for her. But that's not what she wanted.

1204
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:57,799
Speaker 1: So, Yeah, how did you find the anxiety then of

1205
00:49:57,880 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 1: trying a game?

1206
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think I had anxiety about it. I

1207
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:04,839
Speaker 4: think I knew that we'd already had a kid, and

1208
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:07,320
Speaker 4: I knew that we could have children, And I think

1209
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 4: that for me is what I just kept telling myself,

1210
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:12,399
Speaker 4: and that this has happened, and you know, I've got

1211
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 4: siblings who have gone through the exact same thing. So

1212
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 4: I never thought in my mind that this is like

1213
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:19,399
Speaker 4: I'm now doom and we're not going to have our

1214
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 4: second trial. It didn't cross my mind, So I wasn't

1215
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 4: feeling anxiety in that way, but it crossed our mind

1216
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 4: once you felt pregnant at the second time. Those first

1217
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 4: twelve weeks especially, we were a lot more kind of

1218
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 4: on edge, which like the first time, you are right,

1219
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 4: always there's a little bit of nervousness. So that nervousness

1220
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 4: came back, and I think it stayed with us for

1221
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 4: the rest of the pregnancy, up until kind of the

1222
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:42,319
Speaker 4: later stages and we started to feel a bit more

1223
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 4: comfortable again. So yeah, it was more the nervousness rather

1224
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 4: than like, ah, we're going to fall pregnant again, and

1225
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:48,799
Speaker 4: I think we're okay with that.

1226
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 1: There are there are many ways where men are very

1227
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 1: lucky in comparison to women. We had two miscarriages, and

1228
00:50:56,280 --> 00:51:00,879
Speaker 1: I think the big difference is the grief stays well

1229
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 1: for Laura anyway, with her for a lot longer than

1230
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:05,360
Speaker 1: it did for me. Because I'm lucky in that, you know,

1231
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 1: you deal with it, but then you can distract yourself

1232
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 1: and get your mind off it, whereas with Laura it

1233
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 1: was with a twenty four to seven.

1234
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:14,799
Speaker 4: It's part of her, right, Yeah, it's the difference. It's

1235
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 4: like it's physically part of her, you know, And I

1236
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 4: think that is that is different comes part of your

1237
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:20,439
Speaker 4: like being.

1238
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 1: I think it's a good thing, though you say we

1239
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 1: almost like it was a bad thing. We said we

1240
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 1: told people early, and I always think tell people earlier.

1241
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:32,279
Speaker 1: I think it's such a benefit. You think it's a

1242
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 1: burden to be like, hey, what's wrong. You're like, well,

1243
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 1: we felt pregnant, and then we've lost the baby. To

1244
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 1: tell them all the details and it's easy just to

1245
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 1: be like everything's fine. But being forced into telling people

1246
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 1: like unfortunately we lost the baby, that in itself is

1247
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:46,280
Speaker 1: quite healing.

1248
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:48,359
Speaker 3: I agree. I totally agree with that.

1249
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 4: Like we obviously told people our closest family and friends,

1250
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 4: thinking that, you know, everything was going to be good.

1251
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 4: But when it wasn't good, it was so much better

1252
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 4: because we had the support network of everyone. We didn't

1253
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 4: we didn't need to go and tell them this bad news.

1254
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 4: It was kind of just like, this is what's happened,

1255
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 4: and they already knew where we were at, and.

1256
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 3: I think it was a really nice to have that,

1257
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:09,239
Speaker 3: So yeah, I agree with you.

1258
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's so many people that like suffer in silence.

1259
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:12,919
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1260
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 2: I remember like when we fell pregnant with our first

1261
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:18,240
Speaker 2: and it was like, oh, you can't tell anyone until

1262
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,319
Speaker 2: X amount of time, and it's like, well, like that's

1263
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:23,319
Speaker 2: going to make a difference what the outcome is going

1264
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 2: to be. I would much rather be like, hey, Mum

1265
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 2: and dad, we're actually expecting were this and this far along,

1266
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 2: and then if something does happening, was that. Unfortunately, this is,

1267
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:34,879
Speaker 2: like you said, where we're at, and they can they're

1268
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,800
Speaker 2: not getting hit with oh wait a minute, she was

1269
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 2: pregnant and then this.

1270
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 4: You know, like there's still this weird shame attached to

1271
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 4: it and I don't understand why.

1272
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:45,400
Speaker 3: Like it wasn't actually.

1273
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 4: Until we had a miscarriage that I found out my

1274
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:50,399
Speaker 4: own family and friends had had miscarriages and just never

1275
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:54,360
Speaker 4: said anything. Yeah, And I was like I told whoever

1276
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 4: wanted to listen at the time, because anyone I saw

1277
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:59,320
Speaker 4: during that period like how are things, this is what's happening.

1278
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 4: I know that like not everyone is open book. I'm

1279
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 4: a relatively open book person. I'll just share things I

1280
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 4: don't really care. But I found it strange that, like

1281
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 4: some of my closest people had never mentioned it, and

1282
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 4: they had kind of suffered in silence and thought why,

1283
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 4: like there's no shame in it. But this is particularly

1284
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:17,759
Speaker 4: now in our society where we're starting to have kids

1285
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:21,799
Speaker 4: a lot later. It happens so often. Why wouldn't you

1286
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:23,840
Speaker 4: like tell people and get it off your chest a

1287
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:25,240
Speaker 4: little bit and not suffer in silence.

1288
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 2: It was like with Woods, he like a bunch of

1289
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:30,279
Speaker 2: his footy teammates that he spent every day with, We're

1290
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 2: all going through a similar thing with like trying to

1291
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 2: fall pregnant, ivy for this sort of stuff, and no

1292
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 2: one knew until like one day someone mentioned in the

1293
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 2: change room. Then all of a sudden, then everyone's banded together.

1294
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:43,319
Speaker 2: It's like, well, can't we learn something from that?

1295
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 3: Right?

1296
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:44,319
Speaker 1: Can we learn that?

1297
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 2: Like, like what are you hiding this from? Like you're

1298
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 2: not gonna be I'm not gonna sit here and and

1299
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 2: shame you about something that you can't control.

1300
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 1: The next generation don't know how good they're going to

1301
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 1: have it thanks to us, howda you mention this a

1302
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 1: little bit earlier? But to touch upon it again, when

1303
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:05,399
Speaker 1: you're boys, they're all grown up, they're no longer living

1304
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 1: at home with you and Sarah. What is the one

1305
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 1: thing you want them to remember about the house I

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Speaker 1: grew up in?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 4: Wow, I want them just to think of it fondly

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Speaker 4: as the place where they had the best times. I

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Speaker 4: think of my childhood in my house and the house

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Speaker 4: that I grew up in, and it was a place

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Speaker 4: of just family connection, where we swam in the pool

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Speaker 4: together and played basketball at the front, and it's where

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Speaker 4: me and my siblings and cousins and family had the

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Speaker 4: best time. And I just want them to think of

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Speaker 4: that place as their home, like that that home where

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Speaker 4: they had all those core memories of all the greatest

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Speaker 4: times with their family. So that's really it.

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Speaker 1: They're very lucky.

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Speaker 3: Thanks, You've just had a third how's that going?

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Speaker 2: Hell, she's a dream baseer. I spent a few I

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Speaker 2: spent a few days with them over the New Years,

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Speaker 2: and she I forgot she was there. She's so quiet.

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Speaker 3: So you've had You've had three girls, right?

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Speaker 4: And I always get asked this question having had two boys,

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Speaker 4: Like when you're gonna have the girl. When you're gonna

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Speaker 4: have the girl, Is that what led for you to

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Speaker 4: go for the third thinking that you're going to have

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Speaker 4: a boy.

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Speaker 2: He's a shallows a shallow Sorry, sorry, sorry, I don't know,

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Speaker 2: I've seen it. It's brilliant.

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Speaker 1: I don't think you ever feel complete. I think there's

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Speaker 1: always that sense of like, maybe one more, but after two.

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Speaker 1: I just think we just weren't quite ready to like

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Speaker 1: completely like shut up shop.

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Speaker 2: You didn't take the decision lightly. It took a while

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Speaker 2: for the decision, and I look, honestly, I was pro

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Speaker 2: no baby, but now like stoked.

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Speaker 1: The hardest thing was telling ash that is it's been

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Speaker 1: a pleasure having you on.

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Speaker 3: So nice to be here, so good to chat to

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Speaker 3: you too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for taking the time, and best of luck

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Speaker 2: with the rest of the solo parent.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: You know. I look at Matt and there was one

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Speaker 1: thing that doesn't spring to mind ash On. It's the

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Speaker 1: fact that I would never pick them as a canyoner.

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Speaker 2: Is it a canyon canyonist?

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Speaker 1: I'm a canyonist.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, but I was.

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Speaker 1: That's a surprise package.

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Speaker 2: It is.

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Speaker 1: Who would have thought, not me? Who would have thought.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like I feel like I should

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Speaker 1: have been in the canyoning.

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Speaker 2: He also told the story of how we met Sarah

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Speaker 2: very It was a very good story. It was like

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Speaker 2: a movie. I was involved. At one point, I was like,

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Speaker 2: like it was like a thriller. It was like it

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Speaker 2: happened to be the same. Wow.

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Speaker 1: It made it sound like they didn't get together. At

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Speaker 1: one point I was like, but how they've got two kids.

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Speaker 1: I was great. But if you have enjoyed this episode,

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Speaker 1: we would absolutely love it. Matt would also love it

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Speaker 1: as well. If you would give us a review, just

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Speaker 1: a couple of words, a little comment, one word, two words,

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Speaker 1: ten words, whatever you feel like, either on Spotify or

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Speaker 1: on Apple podcast and ash. They can also follow us

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Speaker 1: on social media.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Dad's Instagram, TikTok, YouTube, and we have a bustling

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Speaker 2: Facebook group. If you want to join that gop, we'll

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Speaker 2: accept you. We'll take anyone or we'll be fine out

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Speaker 2: Bye bye.

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Speaker 1: Two Doting Dads podcast acknowledges the traditional custodians of country

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Speaker 1: throughout Australia and the connections to land, sea and community.

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Speaker 2: We pay our respects to their elders past and present

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Speaker 2: and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torrestraight Islander

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Speaker 2: people's today. This episode was recorded on Gadagal Land.