1 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: Lucy Jurak is on the edge of a nervous breakdown, 2 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: or at least that's how it feels sometimes before the 3 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:16,800 Speaker 1: opening night of a new play or musical, her head's 4 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 1: full of production notes, last minute line changes and complicated 5 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:25,920 Speaker 1: stage directions. As one of Australia's most well known leading ladies, 6 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: you've probably seen Lucy on stage or on screen. I 7 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: personally remember being blown away when I saw her as 8 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 1: Glinda in the musical Wicked. You maybe might have seen 9 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:42,560 Speaker 1: her as Sophie in The Letdown, or as Princess Fiona 10 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: Interrector Musical, or perhaps as Roxy in Sisters on Netflix. 11 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:50,199 Speaker 1: And if that's not enough, She's also the co founder 12 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 1: of tech company hey Lemonade, which delivers daily PEP talks 13 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 1: to its users. In our chat, Lucy shares the best 14 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: advice she has ever received, how she learned to stop 15 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 1: comparing herself to others, and how she manages to calm 16 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:16,839 Speaker 1: her nerves both on and off stage. I'm doctor Amantha Imber, 17 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:20,279 Speaker 1: an organizational psychologist and the host of How I Work, 18 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: and I'm trying something a little different for the next 19 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:24,400 Speaker 1: few weeks. 20 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 2: This is How I Live, a. 21 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 1: Series that gives you an inside look with some super 22 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: accomplished people's top strategies for living a happy, productive and 23 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: impactful life. 24 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 2: So, Lucy, what's a. 25 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 1: Daily or weekly ritual that has made the biggest positive 26 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:45,759 Speaker 1: improvement to your life over the last few years. 27 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 3: Okay, so that's such a good question, and it really 28 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 3: makes me reflect because you know, you do have to 29 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 3: put these things in consciously. And I like, I'm now forty, 30 00:01:57,360 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 3: but when I was in my early twenties, I got 31 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 3: really into gratitude. And I've now got two small kids, 32 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 3: and I used to have so much time that I'd 33 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 3: start every day with these with really big rituals and 34 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 3: you know, writing down everything I was grateful for at 35 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 3: least five different things, and why I was grateful for it, 36 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 3: and then putting things out to the future and that 37 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 3: sort of thing. And I truly believe that's such a 38 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 3: good way to go if you've got the time. But 39 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 3: I really don't have the time over that now, so 40 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:24,359 Speaker 3: I mostly just try, like as soon as I open 41 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 3: my eyes, as soon as my feet hit the floor, 42 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 3: I just start thinking thank you. And I don't even 43 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 3: really know who I'm thinking because I grew up in 44 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:35,799 Speaker 3: not super religious household but a household that I did 45 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 3: go to Catholic school, but I just sort of am 46 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 3: thanking the goodness that's out there in the world. Sounds 47 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 3: so woo woo, and I really but it is. It 48 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 3: does have a more pragmatic effect than that, I think, 49 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 3: and I start just thinking like, thank you for the 50 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:51,519 Speaker 3: carpet under my feet, thank you for my feet, thank 51 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:53,239 Speaker 3: you for being able to walk through to the bathroom, 52 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 3: or thank you for this, you know, just all the 53 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 3: really basic things that are the first things you see 54 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 3: and you feel in the morning. I always come back 55 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 3: to gratitude if I'm in a bad mood, or if 56 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 3: I'm really nervous about something or really worried or grumpy. 57 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 3: I you know, gratitude is a thing that makes me think. 58 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: Oh. 59 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 3: I think it makes you see other people in a 60 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:17,959 Speaker 3: better light because you realize everybody's doing the best they can. 61 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,239 Speaker 3: And like Brenne Brown, she always says something to the 62 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 3: effect of it's best to assume that everyone is doing 63 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 3: the best they can and coming from the best place 64 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 3: that they can. And I think that that makes you 65 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 3: realize that and sort of consciously process it and then 66 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 3: see the world in a different perspective. And I think 67 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 3: that's quite useful to set you up for your day. 68 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: I'm finding it very helpful feed to remind me of that. 69 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 1: This morning, I feel like this morning I woke up 70 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 1: in what I call a worry loop, where I'm lying 71 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: in bed and I'm. 72 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 2: Worrying about stuff, stuff that I can't control. 73 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 3: Which is not particularly useful totally. 74 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: I'm curious though, in order to make that become a habit, like, 75 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: did you deliberately go this is the thing that I'm 76 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 1: going to commit to doing. Yes, because I don't have 77 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 1: time for the longer morning region. Yeah. 78 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, because I've tried and failed to do the longer 79 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 3: morning ritual and then felt bad about it. And then 80 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 3: I'm thinking, oh, this is now making me feel bad, 81 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 3: like it's kind of the opposite of what I'm meant 82 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:16,720 Speaker 3: to be doing. And I know it sounds a bit 83 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 3: of a cop out to be like I don't have time, 84 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 3: because of course you can always make time that sort 85 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 3: of thing, But the realities are, you know, at Lease 86 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:25,160 Speaker 3: and I work until quite late at night most nights 87 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 3: because we're working on hay Lemonade, our app. It's our 88 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 3: own project, and we're working it around other bits and 89 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 3: pieces that we have to do in our days and 90 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 3: other work that we have to do because of course 91 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:36,839 Speaker 3: we've come from a position of being performers, and we 92 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 3: still very much perform, and that was always part of 93 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 3: the plan because we loved perform. But we really want 94 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 3: to make this app and so it means that any 95 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 3: extra parts of my day that I have, I dedicate 96 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:49,039 Speaker 3: to hay lemonade. And it means that I'm up, you know, 97 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:50,799 Speaker 3: once the kids are in bed, and my husband works 98 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:52,479 Speaker 3: four nights a week, so I've got the kids on 99 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:54,919 Speaker 3: my own. So once I've finally got them down, I 100 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 3: get them the laptop and then I work until late. 101 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 3: So it means that in the morning I only really 102 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:01,599 Speaker 3: have enough time for to get everyone out the door 103 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 3: again and you know, teeth brushed and what faces washed, 104 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:07,719 Speaker 3: and breakfast eaten and lunch is packed and everyone dressed 105 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:11,280 Speaker 3: or whatnot to do that. So I have really consciously 106 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 3: made that an effort, and then I do try to 107 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 3: do some sort of gratitude towards the end of the day. 108 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 3: I've been trying to, Like this sounds pretty silly, but 109 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 3: when I was at school, we used to have a 110 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 3: prayer that we'd say it was like, thank you for 111 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 3: the lovely day, for work, for food, for fun and play, 112 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 3: thank you for minding us. So thank you, thank you 113 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 3: Holy three. And that is obviously religious, but the ideas 114 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 3: behind that, if you take out the religion, I think, 115 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 3: actually quite they're kind a quick way. And so I've 116 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 3: been trying to explain that to Polly, my seven year old, 117 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 3: because I want to try and start sort of getting 118 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:46,280 Speaker 3: her on the path of that because she's we don't 119 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 3: go to it, she doesn't go to religious school, and 120 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,559 Speaker 3: we don't have that side of things in our life. 121 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:53,039 Speaker 3: I'd like, you know, you start realizing then. 122 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 2: If you don't send your kids to a. 123 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 3: School that has a certain I mean, her school does 124 00:05:57,279 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 3: have a certain ethos and it's really beautiful. They have 125 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 3: various things that they instill in them, but it's you know, 126 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 3: I realized I need to start putting that into place 127 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:09,919 Speaker 3: for her as an option. You know, she doesn't have 128 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:12,039 Speaker 3: to do it, but yeah, so I've been breaking that 129 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:14,599 Speaker 3: down and shifting the words a bit for her, trying 130 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 3: to find a way of doing that for bedtime, and 131 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:19,160 Speaker 3: then that makes me do it too, because I sort 132 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:23,479 Speaker 3: of have to hack things to make them be part 133 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 3: of my day, So if I could do them with 134 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 3: my kids, or if I can do them on the fly, 135 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 3: anything that I can do sort of multitask. 136 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 2: So what does that look like with Polly? 137 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 1: Then? 138 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:35,840 Speaker 3: So we normally Teddy's my three year old, and she 139 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 3: and I sit with him while we put him to 140 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 3: bed and read him a story, and then we sit 141 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:40,280 Speaker 3: in the dark for a little bit, and then we 142 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 3: go into her room and do her reading and whatnot, 143 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 3: and then we'll lie in her bed and I like 144 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 3: to have a little She and I normally walk her 145 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 3: to him from school and we get a little bit 146 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 3: of time to the two of us chatting about her day. 147 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 3: But often just say, you know, I try to think 148 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 3: of questions that are it's going to help her think 149 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:00,599 Speaker 3: of nice things in the day. As she's so, I say, 150 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 3: did somebody like you laugh today? Was there anything really funny? 151 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 3: And the first few times I said that to her, 152 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 3: she'd be like, no, I don't I don't think so, 153 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 3: And then the next day she'd be like, actually, you 154 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 3: know what. Henry and I were playing this game and 155 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 3: I don't even really know why, but we just thought 156 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 3: it was really funny and we just couldn't start laughing and 157 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 3: things like that, and then I say, you know, it's 158 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 3: really I think it's really important for us to think 159 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 3: about the things that we are grateful for. And we're 160 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 3: so lucky, we have so much to be grateful for 161 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 3: all of that, and yeah, And so I've started to say, 162 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 3: I say to her, let's just say thank you for 163 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 3: the lovely day. And you can just thank whoever you want, 164 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 3: the universe or whatever it is that means is meaningful 165 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 3: to you. Thank you for the lovely day, and then 166 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 3: think about something that you did that was work that 167 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 3: you really loved and something that you ate for food 168 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 3: and fun and play. So think about what did you 169 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 3: eat something that was really delicious. It's usually yeah, I 170 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 3: had that chocolate, and yeah for fun, and what was 171 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 3: fun and play? And those two were quite similar. But 172 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 3: you can always think of two things that were fun 173 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 3: in your day and yeah, and it makes me get thinking. 174 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 3: So she and I sort of do that together, and 175 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 3: we often at the dinner table when Chris is home, 176 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 3: will say what was your favorite part of the day, 177 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 3: that sort of thing, which I know a lot of 178 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 3: people do. 179 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 1: Now, what's a piece of advice that you've received and 180 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 1: applied that has immeasurably improved your life. 181 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 3: I think the piece of advice that I have, as 182 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:25,239 Speaker 3: i've aged, i've understood it more is just the idea 183 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 3: of this, too shell pass and that feelings are normal, 184 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:32,560 Speaker 3: and there's nothing wrong with feeling negative feelings, but they 185 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 3: that feeling won't last. You're not going to feel like 186 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 3: that for ever. It will pass, and it will often 187 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 3: pass quicker than you even realize. But I remember when 188 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 3: I was in Mama Mea, which was my first job 189 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 3: as a twenty year old, in my first musical theater job, 190 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 3: and I was so excited, and I ended up actually 191 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 3: having a really hard time on Mama Mea. But for 192 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 3: lots of reasons, I was an understudy, and I wasn't. 193 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:55,679 Speaker 3: I'm not a very good understudy, it turns out. Actually 194 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 3: it's the only time I ever understudied in my life 195 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 3: because I don't have a strong enough dance. Anyway, that's 196 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:03,439 Speaker 3: a different that's a story for. 197 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 2: A different day. 198 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:08,559 Speaker 3: But I remember the lead, the leading lady, one of 199 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 3: the two leading ladies, was Anne Wood, who is a beautiful, 200 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 3: amazing musical theater actor. I remember. I'm not sure if 201 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 3: I've even spoken to her about this, but she was 202 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 3: so kind to me, like i'd often just go in. 203 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 3: And now having been a leading lady in musicals, I 204 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:24,959 Speaker 3: realized how patient she was with me that I sort 205 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 3: of wander in her dressing room and have a chat, 206 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 3: and she had on her mirror this too shell pass. 207 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 3: And at the time I thought she must be in 208 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 3: a bad place in her life, that's really negative or 209 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 3: not like she must have been about. But I just 210 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 3: did think that must be she must be going through 211 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 3: something hard, you know, for that to be what she's 212 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:43,679 Speaker 3: she's wanting something to pass. But then as I've gotten older, 213 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 3: I realized that's such a good thing to come back 214 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 3: to positive in positive and negative times or in difficult times, 215 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 3: because it makes you be more present in the positive times. 216 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 3: And of course every single moment will pass, and so 217 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 3: the best bits will pass, so you've got to be 218 00:09:57,640 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 3: really present in those best bits, whether it's you know, 219 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 3: looking at my little kid's face, he's just so full 220 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 3: of delight for a second, and he'll probably throw a 221 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 3: tantrum within a few more seconds. And the other piece 222 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:10,959 Speaker 3: of advice, again, it wasn't given to me as such, 223 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 3: but it was I had just happened put it on 224 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 3: a clip of this woman, Jane my Chef's Ki. She 225 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 3: was a contestant, was a beautiful singer and she was 226 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 3: on one of the Got Talents, and she had had 227 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 3: a really hard battle with cancer and she'd had a 228 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 3: hard life, and she said something to the effect of 229 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 3: she got the Golden buzzer. So she did this amazing 230 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 3: performance and it was so beautiful and everybody loved it. 231 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 3: And then she said her piece of advice is you 232 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 3: can't wait for life not to be hard, to decide 233 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:46,199 Speaker 3: to be happy. And that has really been really impactful 234 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 3: on me in the last of years, I think because 235 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 3: we have been going through harder times and my husband 236 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 3: and I both in the entertainment industry, and we've had 237 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 3: to really pivot to try and support our family through 238 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 3: COVID times when everything shut down and we don't have 239 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:00,439 Speaker 3: family support here we've got supportive families, but in other 240 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 3: states states that we were locked out of and we just, 241 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 3: you know, it's been tough, but we've really I feel 242 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 3: proud of us that we've kind of and my husband's 243 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 3: curious is he's actually really good at finding the fun 244 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 3: I feel like I often get really serious and get 245 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 3: all right, this is what we're gonna do, and he 246 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 3: will find the fun and things and often sometimes I'll 247 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 3: be like, oh, I haven't got time to have fun, 248 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 3: and then I think, oh, that's not a very good 249 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 3: that's not a very good way to be. I don't 250 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:28,440 Speaker 3: think that's how I want to live my life. So 251 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 3: he's an excellent foil for me. But yeah, but that 252 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:35,319 Speaker 3: is important, I think, because again, it's just bringing you 253 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 3: into the present moment and being like, you know, in 254 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 3: this moment, I'm sitting here with this really amazing intelligent 255 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 3: woman who I really look up to, and I'm getting 256 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 3: to have this great conversation and that's awesome in this minute. 257 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 3: And I don't know what's going to happen in the 258 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 3: next minute, but probably maybe something awesome and maybe not. 259 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 3: But it's it just means I think it means that 260 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 3: you appreciate things as they happen. Better. 261 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: We will be back soon with Lucy talking about the 262 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: piece of advice that she finds herself giving to people 263 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:11,439 Speaker 1: most often. If you're looking for more tips to improve 264 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: the way you live, I write a short fortnightly newsletter 265 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 1: that contains three cool things that I've discovered that help 266 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 1: make my life better in some way. You can sign 267 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: up for. 268 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 2: That at how I Work dot co. That's how I 269 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 2: work dot co. Now, what piece of advice do you 270 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 2: find yourself giving to people most frequently? 271 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 3: I think generally just to give yourself a break. And 272 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 3: it's okay because I feel like I have really high 273 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 3: achieving people around me who are usually then feeling bad 274 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 3: if they're not like perfect every second of the day, 275 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 3: and just reminding them of all the amazing things that 276 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 3: they've done, like literally in the day that we're normally 277 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 3: talking about, let alone their entire lives, and just reminding 278 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 3: people that you've done heat and you're a human and 279 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 3: there's that's a wonderful thing. And I think as well 280 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 3: that sometimes those times when you're feeling like you're failing, 281 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 3: or you know you've done the wrong thing or you've 282 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 3: made a mistake, you know, they're those moments that actually 283 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 3: will help you to be more compassionate to other people 284 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 3: down the track, because you'll have you know, as long 285 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 3: as you do remember those moments, then you do think, yeah, 286 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 3: you know, we are all trying our hardest, and we're 287 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 3: all making mistakes, and we're all just just doing the best. 288 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 3: That we can with what we've got, and some people 289 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 3: have a harder time, you know, do it like some 290 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:37,959 Speaker 3: people have more things at their disposal and some people 291 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 3: have less, and so it's imbalanced. So we're all going 292 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 3: to have different things that were better and worse at 293 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 3: And I think that just give yourself a break, which 294 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 3: is advice I don't take very often, but I think that, 295 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:52,319 Speaker 3: you know, often the advice you give to others is 296 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 3: the device you probably should be giving to yourself. 297 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 1: A bit but very true. And I must say I 298 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: find that very helpful to hear as well. It's fun, 299 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:02,440 Speaker 1: like doing this new format of how I live instead 300 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 1: of talking to people just about work, like hearing you know, 301 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 1: the things that you're saying. It's like, oh, so many 302 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 1: things are just personally resonating with me, like things that 303 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: I feel like I need to hear right now. So 304 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 1: so thank you for sharing that one. What is a 305 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 1: fail safe way to get yourself in the zone when 306 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 1: you need to perform? And let's ignore illegal substance. 307 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 3: To question No, I mean, I'm such a nerd. I 308 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 3: don't take any I've never taken any like, I've never 309 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 3: even had a never even. 310 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 2: Had a puff of cigarette. 311 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 3: I am a bit of like I'm one of those 312 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 3: people that I just do not want to get in trouble. 313 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 3: I just wanted to do the right thing. So yeah, 314 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 3: as a result, I don't do that anyway. But like, 315 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 3: really to come back to what we were saying earlier, 316 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 3: is the gratitude I find, like if I'm at an 317 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 3: if I'm performing in an opening night, and that is 318 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 3: when I am in the most heightened state and all 319 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 3: You've got all of the notes from all and with 320 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 3: the musical you tend to they bring generally unless it's 321 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 3: a brand new Australian musical, which I'm actually doing one 322 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 3: of next year, but generally end up doing you know, 323 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 3: one that's been on Broadway or being on the West End, 324 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 3: and then they bring their international creative team and you're 325 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 3: kind of doing a milk musical in a way. And 326 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 3: there's of course there's so many things you can play 327 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 3: with within those parameters, which is where I actually thrive. 328 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 3: I really love that once you kind of know what 329 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 3: the parameters are, then you can play within that, but 330 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 3: you're still saying the same things. You're standing on numbers. Literally, 331 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 3: It's that you know thought out exactly what you've got 332 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 3: to do. And so on opening night, you've got all 333 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 3: these notes, plus you've got the pressure because you know 334 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 3: that everybody, they all want you to be doing all 335 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 3: of the things. Plus there's an audience out there who 336 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 3: got They've all brought their own, you know, whatever they 337 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 3: think about that show, or about these people, or about 338 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 3: this musical, the entire genre of musical theater, and it's 339 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 3: too it's too much, like you shouldn't be thinking of anything. 340 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 3: All of those things will just make you have a 341 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 3: nerves breakdown. But so I always come back to just 342 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 3: the groat attitude of like I have this job, in 343 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 3: this role, on this stage, on this day, with these 344 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 3: beautiful people, and just trying to really be grateful for 345 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 3: all of them, every single bit of my nuit. I 346 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 3: love this costume. Oh I actually I really like that 347 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 3: person who's putting my wig on. Thank you for them. 348 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 3: Like just constantly coming back to the gratitude and then 349 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 3: just brings again. It just brings you back into the moment, 350 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 3: and it means that you can just enjoy what you're doing. 351 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 3: And when I was in I played Elwood's I Legally 352 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 3: Blonde the musical, and that was probably the biggest sort 353 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 3: of solo role I played Glinda, But the great the 354 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 3: best thing about being in Wicked is you have a 355 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 3: best friend with you at all times and Alpha Butt 356 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 3: and the women that I played opposite really are all 357 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 3: incredible women and I love them all. And you know, 358 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 3: I really always felt like I had such an ally 359 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 3: on stage and we were there together, We're going through 360 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 3: that experience, and so it was never just me feeling 361 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 3: the pressure on my shoulders. But legally Blonde really was 362 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 3: like I was playing Elwoods. She's the protagonist. And it 363 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 3: was so amazing, and it was such a positive experience 364 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:05,360 Speaker 3: because the show itself is about not being prejudiced and 365 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 3: being true to yourself, never goes out of fashion and 366 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 3: all of that. Really, really it was a really beautiful experience, 367 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 3: but it was really stressful too. And I remember the 368 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 3: director came into me on opening night and he said, look, 369 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 3: you've worked really hard. You've got all the notes, but 370 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 3: I want you to just let go of them out. 371 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 3: The only night I want you to focus on is 372 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:26,159 Speaker 3: have conscious fun. And I was like, okay, He's like, 373 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 3: because it would be such a shame to get to 374 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 3: the end of opening night and not have had fun, 375 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 3: Like what a cool thing this is. And I was like, 376 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 3: that's so true. And again it comes back to that 377 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:35,680 Speaker 3: sort of stuff that was saying with Chris, is it 378 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 3: would be a shame to get to the end of 379 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 3: anything that could be fun and think I was just 380 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:41,639 Speaker 3: worried the whole time. And I think I have a 381 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 3: propensity to worry, and I come from a long line 382 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 3: of warriors, and so we and my family are quite 383 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 3: good at sort of cutting up the they worry, but 384 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 3: they are quite good at making things fun. Like we 385 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 3: kind of like we really focus on it my family, 386 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 3: or you know, we go heptic for Christmas, we do 387 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 3: Christmas cooking, we do like, we do a lot of 388 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 3: fun things and we always have. I grew up in 389 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:06,879 Speaker 3: Perth with a really super supportive family and we always 390 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 3: make sure that we had those kind of things in 391 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 3: the calendar, so we were going to have fun on 392 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 3: these days. But yeah, coming back to the moment of 393 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 3: something that is high stress or something that you have 394 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:21,400 Speaker 3: to do, I think thinking this could be fun, why 395 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 3: don't you try and make it fun is a good 396 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 3: way and to find the gratitude in whatever it is 397 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:29,400 Speaker 3: that you're doing, because it's always that sort of cliche 398 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:32,639 Speaker 3: of like you know, past you would be just so 399 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:34,440 Speaker 3: proud of where you've gotten to right now, and it 400 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 3: would be ashamed to let that go as well and 401 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:40,360 Speaker 3: not kind of take note of how, you know, look 402 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 3: at what you're doing right this here, in this second. 403 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:45,120 Speaker 3: You're in this studio and this massive you know, conglomerate 404 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 3: have asked you to come and do this amazing thing 405 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 3: that's really like positive and uplifting and helpful, Amantha. So 406 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:55,120 Speaker 3: hopefully you having conscious fun with it too. 407 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 1: I love that conscious fun losing for people that want 408 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:00,159 Speaker 1: to connect with you and what you're doing. 409 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 2: What is the best way to do that? Instagram? Probably? 410 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 3: I love it. I love Instagram, I really do. I 411 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:11,440 Speaker 3: spend quite a lot of time on it, especially when 412 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:13,120 Speaker 3: I'm like trying to put kids to bed, and that's 413 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:14,639 Speaker 3: sort of thing. Once they're you know, I'll close your 414 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 3: like once they haven't. My kids both notoriously take a 415 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:18,239 Speaker 3: long time to get to sleep. So once we've done 416 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:20,920 Speaker 3: all those rituals we're talking about, then it's just lying 417 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 3: there and I should leave them in the room I know, 418 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 3: to go to sleep, but neither of them like that 419 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 3: very much, so I tend to just lie. 420 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 2: With them scroll through my phone on Instagram. I love that. 421 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 1: And of course you've got hay Lemonade, which is an 422 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 1: amazing app when you need that wrap up. 423 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 2: That pep talk. I'm a big fan of what you're doing. 424 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 3: Can people just find that in the app stores? 425 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:43,879 Speaker 2: Where do people get that? 426 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 3: So we find we definitely are in the app store, 427 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 3: and we're finally also so we've been working on our 428 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:53,680 Speaker 3: iOS and that's out and that's looking beautiful and sounding beautiful. 429 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 3: And then we also are now on Android phones as well, 430 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 3: so we it's a pep talk app. Yeah, it's three 431 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 3: minute pep talk to help you pull it together. And 432 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 3: it's just so fantastic because this is exactly what we wanted. 433 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 3: It was just all the things that you might late 434 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:07,919 Speaker 3: at night when you're feeling stressed. Like when you were 435 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 3: saying you wake up worrying. I often do that, like 436 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 3: I said, of almost my brain almost schedules worry time, 437 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 3: Like it wakes me up at four and then I 438 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 3: worry until five ish and then I finally fall back 439 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 3: to sleep, and if I'm lucky, it's only an hour. 440 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 3: Sometimes it's longer than that. And then anyway cover and 441 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:24,639 Speaker 3: you think, wow, I don't actually think those things are 442 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 3: as big worries as I thought in the middle of 443 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 3: the night for some reason. But yeah, that's why this 444 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 3: is there. So instead of just googling things, because I 445 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 3: remember googling when I was After I had Teddy, when 446 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:38,639 Speaker 3: he was four weeks old, we moved from Melbourne to 447 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:41,640 Speaker 3: Sydney so that I could start Shrek the Musical playing 448 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 3: Princess Fiona, and I was really overwhelmed. I wouldn't really 449 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:47,639 Speaker 3: recommend doing that in hindsight, but it was one of 450 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:49,639 Speaker 3: those things that the opportunity came up. It's such a 451 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 3: fun show and I loved doing Shrek. It was a 452 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 3: beautiful musical and Princess Fionna was so much fun. But 453 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 3: I meant I had to like tap dance like five 454 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:59,399 Speaker 3: weeks after having a caesar and like do a whole 455 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:04,399 Speaker 3: big tap number that opened the act too, And I 456 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 3: was really overwhelmed. Like we were in rehearsal and I 457 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 3: was expressing milk, and I was on my lunch break 458 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:11,880 Speaker 3: and I was just just getting by and we're working. 459 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:14,120 Speaker 3: I was working six days a week and expressing milk, 460 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 3: and Chris was being an amazing care of for Teddy. 461 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 3: During the day whilst I was rehearsals. But it meant 462 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 3: then I was feeling like a guilty mum and Polly 463 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 3: was there and I was thinking, oh my gosh, I'm 464 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:26,120 Speaker 3: not even like I'm not even doing things with her. 465 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 3: And it was Christmas time and it was I was 466 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 3: feeling just like a big failure, and I was typing 467 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 3: in like overwhelmed mom, feeling you know, working, expressing milk, 468 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 3: like really specific things, and all the big mental health 469 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 3: apps came up, all the really important beyond Blue and Lifeline, 470 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,159 Speaker 3: and I thought, well, I'm not feeling suicidal. I'm just 471 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 3: feeling really overwhelmed, and I definitely don't want to take 472 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 3: a line away from somebody if that's at works, who 473 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 3: is feeling those things. But eventually I sort of googled 474 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 3: further and further and found this maternal health line and 475 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 3: I got this badle axe of a kind of more 476 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:01,199 Speaker 3: mature nurse and she was like, she just was like, 477 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 3: how many times are you expressing? And I told her, 478 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:04,879 Speaker 3: She's like, well, that's don't do that's that's going to 479 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 3: be so tiring. Why would you do that? Why don't 480 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 3: you just do it once a day if you feel 481 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 3: you need to or don't express like give your baby formula. 482 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 3: And it was so nice just to have somebody be really, like, 483 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 3: almost a bit harsh, but in a very pragmatic and 484 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 3: actually just caring way. And so we really wanted to 485 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:23,440 Speaker 3: infiltrate that sense of pragmatism within the app as well. 486 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,639 Speaker 3: So it wasn't wu wu, even though Lisa and I 487 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 3: actually both love a tiny bit of woo Wu. You know, 488 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:29,919 Speaker 3: we wanted it for those moments when you need somebody 489 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:31,680 Speaker 3: just to go, here's what you need to do, because 490 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 3: you know, sometimes you think I wish somebody would just 491 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 3: tell me what to do. And so we've made a 492 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:37,919 Speaker 3: nap with some people going why don't you try this, 493 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 3: and for experiences like you know, when you're feeling fomo 494 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 3: or anything blur or anything frumpy, or when you know 495 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:47,199 Speaker 3: you need a g up before a big meeting, or 496 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 3: you just need a high five, a chill high five 497 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 3: in the morning, whatever it is that you need. Hopefully, 498 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 3: eventually we will have so many pep talks that whatever 499 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:56,959 Speaker 3: you put in Google will have a PEP talk for that. 500 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:01,119 Speaker 2: I look forward to that. Thank you so much, Lucy. 501 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 1: It has been a privilege to hear your words of wisdom. 502 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:05,440 Speaker 3: Thank you. 503 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 2: Oh that's very kind of beautiful than that. 504 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 3: Thank you. 505 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:12,159 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening to my chat with Lucy. 506 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 1: If you enjoyed this interview, you might enjoy going back 507 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 1: over some of the other How I Live interviews I've 508 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 1: done in this season. 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