1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,639 Speaker 1: Jersey and Amanda gam Nation. 2 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 2: But we haven't spoken to this man for a while. 3 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 2: We thought there's a bit going on we should check in. 4 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:09,960 Speaker 2: Prime Minister Anthony Alberezi is trying to get a referendum 5 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 2: across the line that is a once in a generation 6 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 2: chance for indigenous recognition. 7 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: The survey at. 8 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:18,159 Speaker 2: Today says the majority of for it, but there are 9 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 2: still people undersigned. 10 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:21,439 Speaker 1: We have him on the phone now, Hello, Prime Minister, 11 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:21,919 Speaker 1: how are. 12 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 3: You, good morning, I'm very very well. 13 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:26,240 Speaker 4: We could take up your time and say ask about 14 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 4: your first school excursion that you went to back in 15 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 4: the day, but. 16 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 1: There's more important things to discuss things. 17 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 3: I can't remember what my first school excursion was. 18 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 2: Now we've been talking about while all the kids these 19 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:39,879 Speaker 2: days are off to Paris or South America. 20 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: We went to a box factory. 21 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, that would have been something like that. I'm sure. 22 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 4: And look and you became Prime Minister of the country. 23 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 3: Factory The Bradmills factory was across the road from my 24 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 3: little school at Saint Joseph's campdown. It probably would have 25 00:00:57,880 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 3: been there. 26 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: What did they make sure, I believe. 27 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:05,679 Speaker 3: Textiles, seats and all sorts of things. Now it's now, 28 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:09,680 Speaker 3: of course apartments. Of course it is Paramatta Road and 29 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 3: missing a road there at Campdown, So it would have 30 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 3: been something like that would have been my first sixcursion. 31 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: Nothing exotic, no, just to get the suck in the chemicals. Well, 32 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:23,960 Speaker 1: let's get to the voice. For the people who are still. 33 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 2: Saying they don't quite understand it in a nutshell or 34 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:29,320 Speaker 2: not even in a nutshell, tell us what the voice is. 35 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 3: It's two things. One recognizing Indigenous Australians in our constitution. 36 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 3: So at the moment there's a pretense almost that this 37 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:46,199 Speaker 3: great nation of ours beginning seventeen eighty eight. So it's 38 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 3: a matter of recognizing average on Torres straight older people 39 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 3: as Australia's first people. That's the first thing. And the 40 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 3: second thing is that average on Toros Strada Island. The 41 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 3: purpose should be consulted on matters that affect them. So 42 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 3: they should have a body through local and regional voices 43 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 3: the term that's used up to the national body, and 44 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 3: it should be able to make representations on issues like 45 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 3: health and education and housing and all the areas where 46 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 3: there's a huge gap between Indigenous Australians and non Indigenous Australians. 47 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 3: So it's about those two simple things. It won't impact 48 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:34,839 Speaker 3: in terms of have a veto right of Parliament. It's 49 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 3: not a third chamber. It's not going to be a 50 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 3: funding body. It's just a body so that Indigenous people 51 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 3: get to be heard potentially. 52 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: And on the. 53 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 4: Strength of that, I think, well, you're fair enough. But 54 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 4: then someone might wearren Mundine puts out in the paper 55 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 4: today and he was saying, or in nineteen sixty seven, 56 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 4: they're recognized in the constitution and that might water that 57 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 4: down a bit. 58 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 3: Well, it's just not right. In nineteen sixty seven, of course, 59 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 3: up to then, Indigenous Australians weren't able to be counted 60 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 3: in the census. They weren't regarded as full citizens. And 61 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:24,359 Speaker 3: unfortunately that was there for sixty seven years in our 62 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 3: constitution and that was removed. And indeed what was put 63 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 3: in there was that the government would have the right 64 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 3: to make laws which impacted people average on time, trail 65 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 3: and the people, but it didn't recognize them as Australia's 66 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 3: first people, which is a pretty fundamental thing. And the 67 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 3: tragedy here is that in nineteen sixty seven all the 68 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 3: political parties came together there was a Liberal government, the 69 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 3: Labor opposition that all supported an Australian overwhelmingly voted for it. 70 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 3: That was what we were hoping for. This time the 71 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 3: Liberal Party have chosen a different path, but a range 72 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 3: of preoble dominic perote. The former Premier was a very 73 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:17,279 Speaker 3: strong supporter Matt Kean Arrange. The new so Wealth Liberal 74 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 3: Party effectively support did the referendum being put to the 75 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 3: Australian people sometime between October and December this year. This 76 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 3: should be above politics. It doesn't mean that everyone should agree. 77 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 3: Of course that I respect mister Mundane or anyone else's 78 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 3: right to have a different view. But overwhelmingly Indigenous people 79 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 3: gathered at Ularu, which is where the Ularu Statement from 80 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 3: the Heart comes from back in twenty seventeen, and i'd 81 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 3: encourage your listeners to just get on Google and just 82 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 3: read the Ulus Statement from the Heart. It's just four 83 00:04:56,760 --> 00:05:01,720 Speaker 3: hundred words. It's beautiful, it is beautiful, it is poetry. 84 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 3: It is extraordinary that so many people from across our 85 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 3: bath land of remote communities and from the Torres Strait 86 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:15,719 Speaker 3: and m Kimberley and Arnam Land and right across this 87 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 3: Vath continent Indigenous people met in a First nation's constitutional convention. 88 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 3: There was five years of process and consultation, literally hundreds 89 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:27,919 Speaker 3: of meetings leading up to it, and that's where the 90 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 3: uluru's statement from the heart came from. The cry essentially, 91 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 3: it's a really gracious request for a handout and asking 92 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 3: us to just grasp the opportunity. And I really hope 93 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,479 Speaker 3: that we do seize as a nation. There's once in 94 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 3: a generation, do you think as well? 95 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 4: Priminised to the thing about Australians, we have two mouths 96 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 4: in one ear and we don't really listen that much. 97 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 4: Should we just be plain speaking about it and say, well, right, 98 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 4: you're voting for this, this is my take for it. 99 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 4: We're voting for this because we're recognizing that First Nations 100 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 4: people were here first, and that's is that pretty much? 101 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 1: Eat? I think it's about having a seat at the table. 102 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, but I'm happy for that. I'm happy for 103 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 4: First Nations people here were first. I appreciate that. 104 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 1: And see why not say set at the table? 105 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 4: No, I'm happy for that. That's if that was the 106 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 4: too prong of it then and I'm all for it. 107 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:25,480 Speaker 4: I want this to happen. 108 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 2: It's interesting that opponents are saying that, as you said, 109 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 2: it's not a separate chamber. You said that, Prime Minister, 110 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 2: But people are saying, are they somehow going to have 111 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 2: a different rule or law for them? 112 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 1: This isn't that, is it? 113 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 3: No, it's not not at all. But what it is 114 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 3: if you've got life expectancy that's ten years less for 115 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 3: Indigenous Australians to non Indigenous, if you've got huge gaps 116 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 3: in health, in education, in economic opportunity, in infant mortality, 117 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 3: in all of these areas, then we just need to 118 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 3: do better. And the way that you do better is 119 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:07,159 Speaker 3: to talk with people, is to consult them about what 120 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:11,239 Speaker 3: their lives are and how it can be improved, which 121 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 3: is essentially what this is about, giving them a voice. 122 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 3: So the Ularus statement concludes with words I'm paraphrasing here 123 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 3: off the top of my heir, But in nineteen sixty 124 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 3: seven we were counted. In twenty seventeen, we asked to 125 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 3: be heard. 126 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: That's and that's the part of it. 127 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 4: That's the key part of it, I. 128 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 3: Find absolutely, And it also speaks about the torment of powerlessness, 129 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 3: how things have been done four and two Aboriginal Australians 130 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 3: often with the best of intentions, but the truth is 131 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 3: that we need to do better. And when you look 132 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 3: at the programs that have been really successful, Justice Reinvestment, 133 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 3: Indigenous Ranges program in Cape Your some of the educational 134 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 3: outcomes that Noel Pearson and others have been able to 135 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 3: achieve lifting Indigenous people's opportunities in life, they've all been 136 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 3: programs that Indigenous people have had a direct same and 137 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 3: that sense of ownership, and that's really just common sense. 138 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 3: It's good manners that if you're going to have something 139 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:32,679 Speaker 3: engaged in, you know, you're doing something in your neighborhood, 140 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 3: in your backyard that's going to impact on your next 141 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 3: door neighbor, you talk to them about it. It's good manners. 142 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 3: And I think that this is when it comes down 143 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 3: to it about just that recognition you were here. First, 144 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 3: we should recognize that there should be a source of 145 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 3: pride average on Australians, of course, the oldest continuous culture 146 00:08:56,320 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 3: on earth, and we need to do more than just 147 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 3: admire the arts and the music and the culture. We 148 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 3: need to recognize in our constitution. But then the voice 149 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:15,719 Speaker 3: is really the means to the end. The end is 150 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 3: to create opportunities. So that you can't look at one 151 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 3: group of people and just see that massive disadvantage which 152 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 3: is there. 153 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 1: Well done, thank you, Prime Minister, yeah, thank you very much. 154 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 3: Great to chat with you and have a lovely day yourself. 155 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 4: Prime in St Anthony Albanezi. You know that makes it 156 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 4: just to me, it seems clear. 157 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 1: We're going to put this to the pub test next 158 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: and see what you think.