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Speaker 2: Oh bro, what the heck was that?

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Speaker 1: Did you hear me? Jess and I was like, let's

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Speaker 1: I were like, oh, how you been pretty good for me? Oh? Fuck?

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Speaker 2: You feel better? I came downstairs and there's music playing.

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Speaker 2: I was so suspicious. I was very suspicious of you, guys.

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Speaker 1: I was like, you tummy hasn't made a noise to him?

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Speaker 1: Be like, put some David Gray on to round out

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Speaker 2: Guys, I'm really sorry. Okay, but you feel better. I

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Speaker 2: would like to say yes, but the answer is no.

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Speaker 2: Now I feel embarrassed, but whatever.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to two doting dads. I am Maddie Jay

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Speaker 1: and I'm farty MG pants No, I'm mad. And this

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Speaker 1: is a podcast all about parenting. It is the good,

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Speaker 1: it is the bad, and we never give advice. We don't,

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Speaker 1: but every now and then we will reach out to

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Speaker 1: those people who have far more wisdom than the two

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Speaker 1: of us, which is majority of people. Let's speak completely honest. Absolutely, yeah, absolutely.

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Speaker 1: But we had a message in the Facebook group recently

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Speaker 1: which made a request for a specific guest. They were like, Hey,

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Speaker 1: we know you guys aren't really experts. This is Celeste.

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Speaker 1: Shout out to celestiout if she's listening. Now, before we

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Speaker 1: go any further, I do just want to make a

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Speaker 2: Say, Matt, this episode does contain some discussions of child

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Speaker 2: sexual abuse, which could be distressing for some people.

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Speaker 1: If you or someone you know may be impacted by

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Speaker 1: this content, please seek help. We will put some details

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Speaker 1: of those organizations that you can reach out to in

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Speaker 1: the show notes. Now I will flag that this chat

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Speaker 1: that we're about to have it's only about fifteen minutes.

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Speaker 1: It's not the whole episode, So if you did want

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Speaker 1: to Celeste, she did a post in the Facebook group.

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Speaker 1: It was off the back of a twenty six year

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Speaker 1: old childcare worker, Joshua Dale Brown, who's been charged of

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Speaker 1: sexual abuse of children whilst in daycare. Absolutely horrific and

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Speaker 1: so Letse wanted to know as parents, what information can

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Speaker 1: we have to be more mindful of the topic, more proactive.

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Speaker 1: Now it is confronting and it's really easy to avoid

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Speaker 1: great suggestion from Celeste, so we thought we will reach

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Speaker 2: She runs the Safe Kids Project, which is a handle

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Speaker 1: Victoria, I do have to say a very big thank you.

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Speaker 4: You are so welcome. I was so delighted to be

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Speaker 4: context that that behavior is appropriate for and that doesn't

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00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,040
Speaker 4: cause any shame. It just is almost like a redirection

439
00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:10,880
Speaker 4: of the behavior.

440
00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:14,760
Speaker 1: And then is there any age This is a hard

441
00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:18,639
Speaker 1: one to answer, but talking about public place and private place,

442
00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:21,639
Speaker 1: we were at the park on the weekend and Marley

443
00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:23,240
Speaker 1: was like, I need to eat and there was no

444
00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:25,000
Speaker 1: toilets anywhere, and I was like, let's just do a

445
00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,119
Speaker 1: bushwee And she was like, but people are going to

446
00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:30,960
Speaker 1: see me if she's communicating to me in that way,

447
00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:33,199
Speaker 1: do I have to acknowledge that or do you think

448
00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:36,600
Speaker 1: it's best to acknowledge that to not then break the boundaries?

449
00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:38,800
Speaker 1: But being like no, it's okay, I'll like, you know,

450
00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:40,760
Speaker 1: we're just going to be in public.

451
00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:46,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, real tricky one. Funny my daughter loves the bushway,

452
00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:52,720
Speaker 4: she'd like should ask for that, So yeah, yeah, I

453
00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:57,080
Speaker 4: think yeah, tricky to answer because I think every child

454
00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,800
Speaker 4: and family is different. You might, in that situation say,

455
00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,000
Speaker 4: if I was able to make a barrier to make

456
00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,840
Speaker 4: sure nobody saw, would you feel more comfortable then so

457
00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,119
Speaker 4: you could maybe give an option. Otherwise you need to

458
00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:09,320
Speaker 4: hold on and then we'll have to like find somewhere.

459
00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:14,919
Speaker 4: But I think try and explore that option in a

460
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,040
Speaker 4: way that makes them feel safe. And if that's not

461
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:20,479
Speaker 4: a possibility, then youah probably go into the bathroom and

462
00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:22,720
Speaker 4: you might be able to acknowledge it, like, yeah, actually

463
00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:24,959
Speaker 4: people might see you and that might be uncomfortable. Can

464
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:27,720
Speaker 4: I make a way for this to be more comfortable

465
00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:28,040
Speaker 4: for you?

466
00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:32,199
Speaker 1: Victoria? You are a wealth of knowledge. It's been so

467
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,159
Speaker 1: great and we could keep asking questions, but we know

468
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:36,880
Speaker 1: your time is limited. But we want to say thank

469
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:38,760
Speaker 1: you so much, thank you appreciate it.

470
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,760
Speaker 5: Well, you're so welcome. Yeah, thank you so much for

471
00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:42,159
Speaker 5: having me.

472
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,879
Speaker 4: And again, like, being able to speak to dads is

473
00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:47,840
Speaker 4: such a privilege and I hope that this also shares

474
00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:51,480
Speaker 4: out to your audience being dads as well. It means

475
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:55,000
Speaker 4: a lot and I think as parents, we can make

476
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:56,440
Speaker 4: a lot of change in the space.

477
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Speaker 5: For our children.

478
00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 1: Leaden, ask question for or you fire away. We go Okay,

479
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:05,719
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've ever been asked this question before,

480
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:08,080
Speaker 1: but I'm just gonna come out. I'm going to say

481
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 1: it honestly. Okay, how often do you worm your kids?

482
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:15,120
Speaker 2: Never? What?

483
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 1: Sorry?

484
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:25,120
Speaker 2: Rattled were? Okay, go on, I just had a flashback

485
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:32,400
Speaker 2: to what being wormed by whom my mom? How sorry?

486
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,280
Speaker 2: I was a small child and I had worms because

487
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:36,359
Speaker 2: I used to eat a lot of dirt.

488
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Hang on a second. We're just in

489
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:47,440
Speaker 1: the backyard. Just go out for a little snack or.

490
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, and I remember because there's suppository cream suppository.

491
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, So you'd have to apply that.

492
00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 2: You'd have to.

493
00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 1: Apply that, and we all know how that happens. How

494
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 1: often do you did you get worms?

495
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:01,440
Speaker 2: Oh?

496
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:02,200
Speaker 1: That's a question?

497
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 2: Should we call her.

498
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 1: Screening?

499
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 2: The call?

500
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 1: Hey?

501
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 2: Do you remember how often I would have to be dewormed? Well,

502
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 2: a couple of months, every couple of months. Why would

503
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 2: do it?

504
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:28,400
Speaker 6: Oh?

505
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 2: Fuck? Thank you?

506
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 1: How did you do it?

507
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 6: Was the tablet we used to have.

508
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:36,920
Speaker 2: To get a talk to the middle of the night

509
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 2: and have a look at your butt crack when I

510
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:40,440
Speaker 2: was asleep.

511
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:45,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, because the worms came out when you were relaxed.

512
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 1: Oh wow, you remember what age did the worms?

513
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 6: Don't answer that. Once he stopped eating dirt, so like seven. Yeah,

514
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 6: you from the worms to the nets.

515
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 2: You know, I did have a lot of hair.

516
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 1: Sis had a lot of hair as well.

517
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 2: For some reason, it's were bad on the Norman beaches.

518
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 2: You had a lot of hair too.

519
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:16,200
Speaker 1: Trying to shift the blame on the mum.

520
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 2: It was you all right, well, thank you, bye bye.

521
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 1: They have it, be honest, right now, fancy bit of

522
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 1: dirt a little, They wouldn't mind.

523
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:28,359
Speaker 2: Damn dirt.

524
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,400
Speaker 1: We've got a lot of worms out there. It's only

525
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 1: lunch time anyway. Your question, I saw a doctor. You

526
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 1: saw a doctor, a doctor in passing like you know

527
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 1: at the markets.

528
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 2: Oh, you just ran in just talking.

529
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 1: And then they brought the topic of worming and he said,

530
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 1: howf of do you worm your kids? And I said

531
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,920
Speaker 1: never never done it either, and he said, well you

532
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 1: should actually be doing it every six months. Yeah, from

533
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 1: when that's good? That's good question. I don't have the

534
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:07,880
Speaker 1: answer to that. But apparently when your kids let's say

535
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 1: from the age of three, and again, no, I'm no expert. No, okay,

536
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 1: I'm not trained medically, you're not. And I want to

537
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,919
Speaker 1: say three, but just I think every six months. So

538
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 1: I then took that information. I've implemented the information. It

539
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,400
Speaker 1: gave us all worming tablets, so you've all been wormed.

540
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 1: I could use it meal of dirt. Last night, April's like,

541
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 1: what the hell's in the backyard. Someone's digging things up

542
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,439
Speaker 1: and You're like, oh, I don't know what it is. No,

543
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:49,120
Speaker 1: it's genius. With the technology, the advancements in medicine, it's phenomenal.

544
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:55,880
Speaker 1: You know what we're doing now, we're disguising medicine and chocolate.

545
00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 1: Oh really? Yeah, yeah I was. I was Trickingla into

546
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 1: thinking that she was having a treat.

547
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 2: Oh, it's like the Vita gummies, but like, yeah, as

548
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 2: my kids to call it, think it's a Lolli suckers.

549
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 1: I was like, give it, give it to me, Lola,

550
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 1: and she's like, fuck off. Oh, she couldn't get another chocolate.

551
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 1: So I've tricked Lola into having chocolate. Little does she know.

552
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 2: She's been de worms. Yeah, did they have? Do you

553
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 2: know if they'd ever, you wouldn't have known if they

554
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 2: ever had worms, because they probably just haven't had them.

555
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 6: You know.

556
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 1: And I asked my mom. I asked the same question

557
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 1: of you know, like how often did we get dewormed?

558
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: And she was like, never did it not once? Yeah,

559
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 1: we went a wormed family. He always didn't get the

560
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,640
Speaker 1: taste of dirt. But I also think that I may

561
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 1: have had worms for your butty chi. Yeah, and I

562
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:48,679
Speaker 1: was always hungry, but you probably did, did you? We

563
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 1: always hungry and never put on weight. Yes, Oh, you

564
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 1: had worms, I know. I was like, Mum, that's like

565
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: you missed the mark there.

566
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 2: Like apparently worms can also come through the balls of

567
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:03,439
Speaker 2: your feet. What Yeah, because my dad had worms not

568
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 2: that long ago, because he was in They were in Indonesia,

569
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 2: and my dad's a classic that generation walks around barefoot

570
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 2: in he went through his feet. He used to walk

571
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 2: to the paddock there to get to the surf and

572
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 2: it would be there'd be cowship and all sorts of Yeah.

573
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 1: Well, I just so happened to have a few left over?

574
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 1: Can we can I try one? I thought you'd never ask,

575
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 1: just voluntarily. Now I had four tablets and I feel

576
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: great if I get sick, You're not going to get sick?

577
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 2: Is there worms in this? And you're like, so I

578
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 2: can have both of these.

579
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 1: I'm not going to infect. Yeah it's good right, Yeah, tasty,

580
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 1: it's to be Caribe carib Yeah, but I just taste

581
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 1: is lovely.

582
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 2: Right, I'm going to give it out of five on

583
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 2: chocolate scale. I'm going to say it's better than Darry Milk.

584
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 2: Just kids deserve and those worms gone, They're all gone.

585
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 1: How has the cartoon worm in the front.

586
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 2: That looks so happy one of them? Okay, okay, I.

587
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: Have no idea what I've just given you, By the way, a.

588
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 2: Chocolate square for threadworm, round worm and hookworm all worms.

589
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: Yes, as our producers also wipe them out.

590
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 2: As a team, we need to do worm We're in

591
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 2: this together, guys. That's good gear. It tastes very lovely, delicious.

592
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 2: I might have to get the kids some deworming. I look, honestly,

593
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 2: April may have de wormed the kids. I don't know

594
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:40,959
Speaker 2: if she did or do that. She might have all

595
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 2: of us and we've all fallen for that trick, and

596
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 2: she was just like, this will get them.

597
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 1: But mate, that's lovely.

598
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 2: One to day.

599
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 1: I know, right, one a day keeps the worms away. Lovely,

600
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 1: that's good gear. How are you they worms aside?

601
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 2: Now? I know we did. Last week we had I

602
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,479
Speaker 2: revealed my present to you for you, which was a

603
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 2: tattoo of your name.

604
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: People loved it.

605
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 2: People do love it.

606
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 1: But Jess and I have got you something I know

607
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 1: to hate to carry it on and you don't. Basically,

608
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 1: now they.

609
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 2: Give you some context of the gift.

610
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 1: Yes, we'll cast your eyes back to the.

611
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 2: End of last year when you asked Santa for something

612
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 2: very specific and the boy inside you didn't get it. Well,

613
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 2: Jess and I have decided to be your Santa. Okay, okay,

614
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 2: I'm going to go get it. That's not on my person.

615
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 1: It's a time that it was on Jess's. But there

616
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: you go, Happy birthday. What your big kid. That's lovely,

617
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 1: isn't it.

618
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 2: That's sick because I remember you told me and I

619
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, that's a good gift and hoping you'd

620
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 2: get it and you didn't.

621
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 1: Is there a good brand? Yeah, I went to a

622
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 1: proper skate shop. Well soon do you reckon? It's going

623
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: to be until I break a.

624
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 2: Bone twenty four hours. Thank you?

625
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: Jess, thank you ask because I asked Laura again for

626
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: a skateboard. Didn't get it, and I didn't get it,

627
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: and I thought, maybe it's a sign that I just

628
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 1: shouldn't get one.

629
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 2: The little boy inside you wanted a skateboard, and I

630
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 2: provided you and just provided you with a skateboard. I

631
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 2: think you deserve it. This is sick.

632
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: Don't hurt yourself. The kids need the kids need it.

633
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 1: Thank you, and full disclosure. If you do die, I'm

634
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 1: not helping out. I've got my own kids to worry about.

635
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 2: Bracket.

636
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: That is epic. Thank you, thank you. I don't deserve you,

637
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 1: and both of you.

638
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 2: There we go. So that's that's how I am. I'm well.

639
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: So is that the birthday finished? The birthday over?

640
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 2: I think the birthday is done for now?

641
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, someone else's birthday soon, this guy, I know?

642
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 2: Hope?

643
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 6: No?

644
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: No, August?

645
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, remember the day sixteen? Really good? No, the eleventh,

646
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 2: it's the eleventh, Matt. It's time to get something off

647
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 2: our chest, and I want to get something off my

648
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 2: chest really quick.

649
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 1: Because the listeners have spoken. This hurts.

650
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 2: It hurts a lot because I thought, and April even

651
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 2: said to me she was like she saw the post

652
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 2: and this is how slack she's been. She's really behind

653
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 2: on episodes, and she's like, I just listened to that song.

654
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 2: It's horrible.

655
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 1: And I was like, that's the chart. That's the whole point, right,

656
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 1: that's the whole point.

657
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 2: It's horrible. But anyway, whatever.

658
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: Someone in Facebook group fucking hell, making us, making us

659
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: work harder than they just asked, what's the favorite song

660
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: out there? For the segments? Overwhelmingly tell me it's beautiful, beautiful.

661
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: It's a soothing hymn. And I thought, what said. I

662
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: thought we needed something a bit more grunge, and we

663
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: did it. You know. I listened back and I think

664
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 1: we should avoid rock.

665
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 2: It sucks. It's very.

666
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 1: Very raspy, very very But at the time we were

667
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 1: like high fiving, like this is.

668
00:32:58,680 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 2: Great this footage.

669
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: We put the vote out there and people were also like,

670
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 1: we want to hear samples before we commit to a vote,

671
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: and I was like, what doesn't work like that?

672
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is not a production company, just a couple

673
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 2: of people laying around came out.

674
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 1: So some of the options were, hey, you by our cast, Like, yeah, okay,

675
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 1: it good. Didn't you win? Scap Van, what the heck

676
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 1: is that you know the Scapman's song. No what, I'm

677
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: a scat man.

678
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 2: I think what we should do is make a song

679
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 2: worse than the one we've got.

680
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: No what other options? So we've got so with the

681
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 1: one that won, we've got should Twain Twain? You said Twain?

682
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 2: Should? Should? I Twain Twain?

683
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 1: So I said Twain? Okay, man, I feel like a woman. Okay,

684
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 1: how would that go? No, I'm asking you are the composers.

685
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 1: We haven't actually record I was trying to pretend that

686
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 1: we recorded it.

687
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 2: Oh, all right, whatever, let's go here it is.

688
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 1: Anyway, we gotta pretend how good it was.

689
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,839
Speaker 2: That was great, full disclosure.

690
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: We haven't recorded it. We record it, okay, so you

691
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,919
Speaker 1: can have the old one. But now, God, moving on?

692
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 1: What I want to be previous? You say, what, man,

693
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:46,240
Speaker 1: I feel like a parent.

694
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 2: I'm glad this is so funny.

695
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 1: Good. Good to giggle.

696
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 2: It is good to giggle. Good?

697
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: Actually should it's good to giggle. I'm going to my

698
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: rant now, okay, great, do you kick us off? I'm

699
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 1: going to kick us off. We have a residual I

700
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:13,800
Speaker 1: have a residual rant.

701
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 2: So I had the issue where I didn't take the

702
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,320
Speaker 2: rubbish out. Remember I forgot and then missed the truck.

703
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 2: And then people had all their suggestions off the back

704
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 2: of the episode last week a week before, a.

705
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,959
Speaker 1: Lot of people asked you to burn down your house. Yeah,

706
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 1: actually I'd love to do. That would have been awkward

707
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 1: if you did it, it would have been.

708
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 2: And then I got a lot of suggestions being like,

709
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 2: call the council whatever, make up something, and I was like,

710
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 2: this is my burden to deal with.

711
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: So I snuck around. Someone said call up the council

712
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: and pretend like they forgot you. Yeah, well that's just

713
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 1: I'm throwing the poll of driver.

714
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:54,839
Speaker 2: Under the bus. Then yeah, that's skeet him. And I

715
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 2: was like, oh no, I'll just creatively put it into

716
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 2: the neighbor's bits. And that was the solution. But got

717
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,359
Speaker 2: me thinking about how small, and this is the rant,

718
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 2: how fucking small that red bin is for a household,

719
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 2: Like you get a request a bigger one, Yeah, I know,

720
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 2: I know WHOA. I got a friend who works in

721
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 2: rubbish shout out to my bins and I was like, hey, dude,

722
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 2: surely you've got a spare red bin. And he's like,

723
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,320
Speaker 2: they won't pick it up. He's like, you need to Actually,

724
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 2: it's like, oh, they know, they know, they have a

725
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 2: list of have a list of bins. Yeah, because if you.

726
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 1: Like street House number forty seven, well that's a bigger bin.

727
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't go out like I think it's part

728
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,280
Speaker 2: of your rates depending on you have like an enormous

729
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 2: That's what I need.

730
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: My kids they go through so much. I don't know

731
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: how they do it. But my rant is the bin

732
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:48,280
Speaker 1: from day one.

733
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 2: If it's a house and that bins that it's too small,

734
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 2: it's too small, one.

735
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 1: More times too small small. You know what happened to me?

736
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: Two things on the bin segment, just really quickly segment.

737
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 1: One person message I think they're from Ballarat, maybe part

738
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 1: of the world, and they said their bins get collected

739
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: every two weeks.

740
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 2: I saw that right, So I was like, just wait

741
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 2: till X fortnite. Can you imagine that I'd live in

742
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:18,320
Speaker 2: a dump?

743
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: Imagine imagine that with a newborn child.

744
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 2: Far out.

745
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: And also to add to that, so I collected our

746
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 1: bins last week and I was like, far out, I

747
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 1: couldn't find my bin. I was like, all the bins

748
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,439
Speaker 1: have been picked up. And then there was one there

749
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: that was. I was like, it's not my red bin,

750
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 1: it's a different number. And I was like, clearly someone's

751
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 1: taken it, and I was pissed off. I was like,

752
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,919
Speaker 1: so I took your bin, but I've never once washed

753
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: out my bin. Right. The thing is, it's got like

754
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 1: dog shit, like some pancaked onto the bottom of the

755
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 1: inside of the bin. The bin that was left Christine,

756
00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: I've upgraded. When accidental upgrade, it was great, except now

757
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: bin's got collected. Today, my bin's back.

758
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,879
Speaker 2: They've realized, Yeah, do we know who it is. Yeah,

759
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 2: I got the number of being Gate. Let's call them.

760
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 2: I'd say, what say, hey, you took my clean bin,

761
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 2: and you just see what they say. But it has

762
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 2: it has the house. It'd be funny whatever next time.

763
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 2: Just quickly on my rant that I did.

764
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: I thought I thought I was doing a rant that

765
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:31,839
Speaker 1: would be reciprocated by people online. Which one was that well?

766
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: I made the mistake though. The safe community, the podcast,

767
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 1: the judgmental community, social media, Okay, school Holidays. I was

768
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: having a rant about the groups of teenage boys that

769
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 1: are going around the neighborhood with no respect for anyone

770
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 1: except for themselves. No helmets, cutting off traffic, almost causing

771
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:55,800
Speaker 1: accidents left, right and center.

772
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:56,720
Speaker 2: Easy boomer.

773
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 1: That's what people said, like did you turn twenty? Did

774
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: you turn thirty eight or eighty? On the weekend?

775
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 2: Totally yeah, so okay you.

776
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 1: People were like, people are really having to go with me.

777
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,800
Speaker 1: I leave those boys alive. Were like, the teenage boys,

778
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: what do you want them to do? Just stay inside

779
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: all day? And I was like, yeah, yeah, exactly, get

780
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: off the road.

781
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 2: You know when they're like when you try to get

782
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 2: rid of something, someone's like, don't get rid of them.

783
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 2: They keep away the you know what I mean? Like

784
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 2: for example, it's like, don't get rid.

785
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 1: Of the snakes. They keep away the rat Well, what

786
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 1: are the teenage boys keeping away?

787
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 2: I don't know where they keep it away.

788
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 1: And I just want to say I think teenage boys

789
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 1: are great. I love that they're out there and joining

790
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 1: the school holidays. But it's just when they're like weaving

791
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,879
Speaker 1: in and out of traffic and they're doing wheelies when there,

792
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 1: when they're loitering, they're loitering, do you know what?

793
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 2: And look, this is kind of sort of spawn on

794
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 2: the end of the days.

795
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love spawn. I know you having a third kid,

796
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: you love spawn anyway, And it was the last day

797
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 1: of school term and I stupidly went to the shops

798
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: right on school finish.

799
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 2: There's a high school across the road. I tell you

800
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 2: right now that time. It's like a prison yard. These kids,

801
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:14,839
Speaker 2: they're vapor. Yeah, how old are we?

802
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 1: Immediately give us a city? They're smoking? Guy, I used

803
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:25,720
Speaker 1: to smoke a pack of day Yeah, the different times

804
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 1: I would changed. Man.

805
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,280
Speaker 2: Back in my day, we used to smoke winning rends

806
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 2: at the shopping Now they're vapor in the food court.

807
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: But they're just they're up to no good anyway. I

808
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 1: just want to say that, like when you have a rant,

809
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 1: don't share it on social media because they'll judge her.

810
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 1: Here will embrace you regardless of the rant, regardless who's

811
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 1: wrong or right.

812
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:50,439
Speaker 2: Let's get on to a lesson ramp.

813
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 1: This is from Brook and Her rant is when you're

814
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: at an appointment with your baby and they are in

815
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 1: the pram with the swaddle covering them because they are

816
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 1: due for their nap. But the professional U were seeing

817
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,720
Speaker 1: takes it upon themselves to remove the battle and start

818
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 1: talking to your baby. Why it's not your child.

819
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 2: The doctor's appointment before the child. Good point, we.

820
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 1: Need more context. I get if I'm assuming it's your

821
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 1: point for the mum. Okay, cool, all right with you

822
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 1: the doctor, and like, let's just give a nod to

823
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 1: the doctors the great work in this country, not real doctors.

824
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 2: But where is she rural? Yeah that's something a rural

825
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 2: doctor would.

826
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, that's rural behavior. Yeah that is from

827
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 1: Darwin or somewhere somewhere specific.

828
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:40,839
Speaker 2: Look, yeah, look, leave the kids, let the kids sleep right,

829
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 2: thank you, and attend to the real patient, which is

830
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 2: the mum. So if you're listening in your doctor, hands off, buddy.

831
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 2: All right, next tie. This one's from Charlotte. Oh this

832
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 2: is wow. The price of baby chinos. It's literally left

833
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 2: over steamed milk.

834
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 1: How much is a baby chair? Not to sound like

835
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: I'm not and I hate to steal the words from

836
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: hamichnanity but not touch with the common man, but what's

837
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 1: a baby China's?

838
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 5: What?

839
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: Dollar forty?

840
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't even know do they charge?

841
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 2: I'm just paying? Why's my coffee cost eleven dollars? Well,

842
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 2: you get a marshmallow. Marshmallow is worth something? Well not really,

843
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 2: we got the cup. You're paying for merchandise. It's probably recycled,

844
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 2: you still got to.

845
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 1: Pay for it. I mean maybe, I think I think

846
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: there should be like a minimum spend. If you're spending

847
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 1: ten dollars, you get a free baby chino.

848
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:37,720
Speaker 2: Hear me out? Go on, we should start a campaign

849
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 2: that all baby chinos should be free.

850
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 1: Okay, small businesses are gonna hate this. No, because with

851
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 1: free subsidized by the government, who's paying? No, free with

852
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,839
Speaker 1: any a large coffee.

853
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 2: So in other words, if I'm a parent and I'm like,

854
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 2: I'll buy a regular coffee, They're like, do you know

855
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 2: if you get a large coffee a free babycino for

856
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 2: young fucking Timmy over there?

857
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 1: He's good, he's good, very good, Anita, I think that's

858
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: a good idea. I agree, But we've got we've got

859
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 1: rants to get to.

860
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:15,879
Speaker 2: We can get around a cafe and be like, hey,

861
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 2: your baby Gino's free? Why not?

862
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: Like a current affair style. I hate to cut you off, sorry,

863
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 1: but this one is having fun, Anita. Sorry, come on

864
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 1: you finished? Yeah, she says. School holidays day one and

865
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 1: I'm already being driven mad by my kids.

866
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 2: We had day one yesterday and I had to take

867
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 2: the kids to work with me. I don't really have

868
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 2: a job, but I had to take them to me

869
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 2: to with me to do work. Yeah, I'm with a

870
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 2: one hundred percent how why what? Anyway?

871
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 1: Whatever?

872
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 2: Fair rant, It's annoying, That's what it is. I've got

873
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:58,720
Speaker 2: one from Hannah starting a conversation telling me I looked, Oh.

874
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: My god, like that for into.

875
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 2: The category of what not decayed? Our parents like, you

876
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:03,839
Speaker 2: look tired? So anyway, would you like a baby?

877
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: Tino?

878
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 2: It's going to cast you.

879
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 1: A last one here, it's from Dannyelle. When I pick

880
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: up my kids from Nan and Pop and she smells

881
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 1: like their perfume colone, Oh, mothballs, O.

882
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 2: Man, oh h so oscar and that get home and

883
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 2: they're like, can they give you a b cuddle? And

884
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 2: I smell their breath and it smells like Cabri chocolate.

885
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 2: I'm like, they've sugar, but yeah, if they come home,

886
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 2: they smell like your NaN's perfumela. Oh you're wearing too

887
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 2: much perfume anyway.

888
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,800
Speaker 1: And see that all those rants warm embrace from us?

889
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 1: We love that? Who else do we love Aldi for

890
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 1: bringing this segment today?

891
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 2: Just low prices every day, Aldi, good different matters that

892
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 2: time of the week where we take questions from the listeners.

893
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know how that works. I

894
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 1: don't refresh my memory.

895
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 2: They can send us a d M.

896
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: They can send us an EMA. What that's great? Can

897
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: I get through it all? Sorry? Sorry?

898
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 2: Also on the Facebook group, they ask us questions and

899
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 2: we're here to serve.

900
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 1: So we have some questions answers. Serve on a hot

901
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: plate answers. Wimbledon's on?

902
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, I go on for you? Yes, and it

903
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 2: is around propaganda. What sort of parenting propaganda are you

904
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:43,399
Speaker 2: not falling for? Okay? Well one go okay, how many

905
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 2: do you want to do?

906
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:45,919
Speaker 1: How many this is we've got? I've got three?

907
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 2: Here, I got three?

908
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: Okay, this one is the most important. I think partly

909
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 1: because she earns more money than me, but mam mama

910
00:45:57,800 --> 00:45:59,919
Speaker 1: should focus on parenting instead of their career.

911
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 2: We're not having that, not falling for that propaganda. I'll

912
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 2: give you one. Cherish every moment. What about when you

913
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 2: get shot on I'm not cherished in that moment? I

914
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 2: think like that is such like a you should really

915
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 2: cherish every moment like that sort of backhanded Okay, what

916
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 2: else you got do.

917
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 1: You know who says that people who only parent their

918
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 1: kids like on the weekends, People who aren't really in

919
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 1: the trenches like some of us. But it's the people

920
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 1: whenever I be like, it goes so fast, you have

921
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 1: to enjoy it, it's someone who only really parents like

922
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 1: they're working through a leg and then they're on the weekends,

923
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 1: And it's like, if that works for you, sure, what

924
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 1: if they need to work to survive, survive, I'm stop

925
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 1: me from working, but you're not really getting a taste

926
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 1: of what true parenting is.

927
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 2: Work early one day and come home for the bathroutine.

928
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 2: Fuck now, cherish that. I feel like it's like just

929
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 2: continually yelling the same sentence every.

930
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 1: Night, generle parenting. One of the time, Oh that's garbage.

931
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 1: How do you get by with that? They don't listen.

932
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 1: No one's that nice. Obviously, there are times where you

933
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 1: can gentle parent. Whenever a gentle parent, and it works,

934
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, good on you. But I also think the

935
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: kids look at me like, what's going on with this guy?

936
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 1: I know they're like, shut up, just tell me.

937
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,359
Speaker 2: What to do, trying to nurse me into what to do,

938
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 2: like yeah, not man, baby smell amazing.

939
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:44,720
Speaker 1: No, I'm not falling for that, but they do. They don't.

940
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 2: They're musky, I like dusty.

941
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 1: I like the obviously when they've like done a massive pooh,

942
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 1: I like I like the foot jam sour milk.

943
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 2: It's cute each their own, but that's I'm not falling

944
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 2: for that properly. Sorry, and thankfully I don't have to

945
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 2: because I'm not having any more kids. If you used

946
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 2: to hold your new kid, this is one that I'm

947
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 2: trying to instill into Laura. Okay, we're still working on it.

948
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 2: But the house shouldn't be cleaned when guests the right,

949
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 2: So you think you should be dirty? Yeah, I think

950
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:18,760
Speaker 2: there's got to be a middle ground.

951
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 1: Matthew, I think presentable. If you got kids, it's fine.

952
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: I think it's fine to.

953
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 2: A degree, but you're not going to walk in and

954
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 2: there's fucking shit over the floor.

955
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: Well, obviously there's a line somewhere that's saying there has

956
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 1: to be a middle ground. But the washing can be

957
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 1: on the table, that's fair, thank you, not on the

958
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 1: floor though. Wow, I didn't expect this segment to go

959
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 1: this way. Okay, anyway, whatever, my last one, whatever me,

960
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 1: My last one is sibling love is beautiful. It's not annoying.

961
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 2: It's so annoying. Like I wish my kids just flat

962
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 2: out out of each other because they're like play nice

963
00:48:57,680 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 2: for one say, and then all of a sudden there's like.

964
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 1: Beat down city. My kids are really into hitting each other,

965
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 1: like full upper cutting, like punch on, that's a good,

966
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 1: right hook, but stop that.

967
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 2: And Oscar was like, like, kid his sister a little bit.

968
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 1: It's never anything.

969
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 2: It's more like annoying to annoy. And then Oscar like

970
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 2: the other day, was like Mace's biting me. And I

971
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 2: was like, come here, Oscar. I'm like, was she biting

972
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 2: it or not? He was like I thought she was

973
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 2: going to.

974
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 1: I was like, bro, it doesn't work like it doesn't

975
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 1: work like that, mate, So that's propaganda. I'm not falling for.

976
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 1: Well said, I asked just one more question, if this

977
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 1: one's from Kirsty, she would love to know what's the

978
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 1: most feral thing your kid has ever done in public?

979
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 2: Oh it's a long list. Well, let's cast our memories

980
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 2: back to a story I did tell on this podcast

981
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 2: early on in this in its inception, I.

982
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 1: Think it was like, wow, I have a way with words.

983
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 1: It was. It must have been within the first like

984
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 1: ten twenty epps. Yeah, so if you want to go

985
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 1: back and listen to that and represent that'd be great things.

986
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 1: I told a story where I take one kid shopping

987
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 1: because it's too hard with both to do the big shop.

988
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:16,479
Speaker 2: And I got a milkshake for Oscar and I to share,

989
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 2: mainly for me and for Oscar to have a little

990
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 2: bit flavor. It was honeycomb. Honeycomb, Yeah, I love that lava.

991
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:27,359
Speaker 2: And we were in the shops. I had given it

992
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 2: to him to have a set and I was like,

993
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 2: turn to get what we needed it and I took

994
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 2: a little bit longer, not really noticing, and I turned

995
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 2: around and Oscar had.

996
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 1: Finished the milkshake. Disappointing for you. Disappointing, Yeah, that's not

997
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 1: the feral part. The feral part is he started to shiver,

998
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 1: and I was.

999
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 2: Like, you cold.

1000
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 1: He went into shock.

1001
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 2: Literally, we're not in the darea, we're not in the

1002
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 2: cold section. We're like, he's got hypothermia. We're mid shops

1003
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 2: and he's like because the milkshake was so.

1004
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 1: Cold, he's like shivering and he's in the trolley. See

1005
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 1: a leader of ice cream literally he's more ice cream

1006
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,840
Speaker 1: than person. At the moment, it was like, I was like,

1007
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 1: what's wrong. I realized body temper is just battling.

1008
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 2: It was struggling to survive. Anyway, I've like taken the

1009
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 2: lid off, thankfully, I've taken the lit off to look

1010
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:21,839
Speaker 2: in and he's really cleared that out.

1011
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 1: I'm no wonder.

1012
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:24,879
Speaker 2: He's shivering and I.

1013
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 1: Was like, are you okay?

1014
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 2: And he was like a brave bade yeah, and then

1015
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:36,400
Speaker 2: he's gone pale. I'm like, there's a vomit coming here, and.

1016
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:39,280
Speaker 1: He's instincts kicked. Yeah, he projectile vomited.

1017
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 2: I've caught every drop in back into the cup, okay,

1018
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 2: and he's like caught it all, like the best perfect

1019
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 2: catch ever. And it was still cold when.

1020
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 1: It came back out.

1021
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 2: You know when like you were younger and you did

1022
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 2: a beer bong and you spewed it back up and

1023
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 2: it was still cold. That's what it was. Anyway, got

1024
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 2: much better after that, but people in that aisle, what

1025
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:04,359
Speaker 2: am I watching here?

1026
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:07,399
Speaker 1: Nice to have a little flashback into what Ash's youth

1027
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 1: was like, But yeah, that was disgusting. That actually could

1028
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:16,240
Speaker 1: that could work for our next segment? What's the next segment,

1029
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 1: Parenting Wins.

1030
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that is a win.

1031
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 1: Rub that in, big guy. Yeah, we love wins that

1032
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:23,880
Speaker 1: you can rub in. You know what else you can

1033
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 1: rub in? Parenting wins would not be possible without support

1034
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:28,840
Speaker 1: from Vicks Vapor.

1035
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:32,399
Speaker 2: Rub now available in new lavendercent Okay, first, this one's

1036
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 2: from Bronti. Getting in the car after six pm, risky

1037
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 2: kids fall asleep, but then you're able to carry them

1038
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:40,360
Speaker 2: to bed without waking.

1039
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:44,320
Speaker 1: Hallelujah. That's not a parenting win, that's a parenting miracle.

1040
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:46,799
Speaker 2: That is outstanding stuff. Rub in.

1041
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 1: Rub that right in. Ooh, Sarah from a teacher. We

1042
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:54,360
Speaker 1: don't often get submissions from a teacher, but we love them.

1043
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:56,719
Speaker 1: And she says, I got to pee and eat my

1044
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 1: lunch without interruptions from the kids.

1045
00:52:59,200 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 2: Very good.

1046
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 1: Also, what's the deal with that staff room?

1047
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 2: What's going on in there? There's always off limits? You

1048
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:06,360
Speaker 2: know how that one teacher come against me?

1049
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 1: Do you want because they just want to have their lunch,

1050
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 1: They're all like, what's going on there? Just acts a

1051
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 1: little bit more like it's you'd.

1052
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 2: Be welcome and the kids won't care what's in there?

1053
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 1: Like yeah, I know, it's like what are you guys

1054
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:20,720
Speaker 1: up to What are you hiding?

1055
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:21,839
Speaker 2: What are you hiding in? There?

1056
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 1: Got like hot tubs something right.

1057
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:29,720
Speaker 2: This one's from Simone. I've convinced my kids that keys

1058
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:30,720
Speaker 2: is actually cake.

1059
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 1: Did not see that coming, genius when rub it in?

1060
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 1: Next one, I love. I love lying to kids and

1061
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 1: making them, making them think that's something healthy. Is a treat, diud.

1062
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 1: You just like the satisfaction when you get away with it. Anyway.

1063
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 1: This is from Matthew, great name. By the way, our

1064
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:57,760
Speaker 1: youngest wake up at five am instead of three am.

1065
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 2: Oh hell, good, ole brad do it's so good when

1066
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 2: they sleep in? Is that a sleep in? No?

1067
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 1: But so good when they actually sleep in. You'll take it.

1068
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 2: I'll take it. I'll take that extra two hours, okay.

1069
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 2: I go on from Amanda turning everything into a race

1070
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 2: because her competitive nature has well and truly clicked in.

1071
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:18,760
Speaker 2: Race to the car, race upstairs and rush your teeth,

1072
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:20,360
Speaker 2: race to get undressed the shower.

1073
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 1: I let her win every time. That's always a good

1074
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:30,879
Speaker 1: one for kids. For girls, I think it kicks in

1075
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:34,720
Speaker 1: later Oh yeah yeah, and so as a girl. Dad,

1076
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 1: when you could start doing like competitive races for any

1077
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 1: little crappy activity.

1078
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:42,879
Speaker 2: I've been doing it for years, all right, legend, because

1079
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 2: it's a boy. You're a great parents.

1080
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:52,399
Speaker 1: Tory. I have a three and a four year old

1081
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 1: and deciding what to make them for breakfast is always

1082
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 1: a disaster. So I've created laminated pictures of breakfast options

1083
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 1: and they walk and just point to which one they want. Genius.

1084
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:03,800
Speaker 1: That's a hack.

1085
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:07,479
Speaker 2: If anything, that's a hall So it must be nice

1086
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 2: with the kids have all these choices, just like pointing

1087
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 2: at the.

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Speaker 1: Like purage this daddy.

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Speaker 2: I love the Parrish.

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Speaker 1: We're a porridge family. Do you see that meme?

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Speaker 2: It was like I get it now with the like

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Speaker 2: little red riding hood or whatever it was, and it

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Speaker 2: was like mum and Mum's porridge is too cold, Dad's

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Speaker 2: is too hot, but the kids is just right. Think

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Speaker 2: about that on a deeper level, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, Ash, That is parenting wins for this week, which

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Speaker 1: I love it when parents rub it in, I'm all

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Speaker 1: Actions for use. Matthew, have some terrible news.

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Speaker 2: That's dreadful.

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Speaker 1: That's all we have time for.

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Speaker 2: Oh god, it's been a long while.

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Speaker 1: It's disappointing, isn't it. It has been I'm hungry. I'm

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Speaker 1: very hungry. Okay, I apologize hate. I hate when I

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Speaker 1: yell at you. I need a gentle friendship you.

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Speaker 2: Okay, thank you.

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Speaker 1: If you enjoyed this episode, we would absolutely love it.

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Speaker 1: I did get a very nice message in the Instagram

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Speaker 1: page for Two Dads and it was great. But I

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Speaker 1: was like copy and pastes sent Apple podcast as a review,

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Speaker 1: but I didn't. I did, but but we would appreciate.

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Speaker 2: I'll also put a nod to a couple of nice

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Speaker 2: messages that I received personally, just about some of the

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Speaker 2: more vulnerable episodes that we have done, and people putting

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Speaker 2: their mental health first.

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Speaker 1: It's great, but what they should put first is a

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Speaker 1: you do subscribe, that would be great and follow us

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Speaker 1: on social media.

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Speaker 2: Two Doting Dads on Instagram, Facebook, and also TikTok Let's

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Speaker 2: get some lunch okayanodbye bye, good bye.

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Speaker 1: If you enjoyed this episode like a burp, hang on

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Speaker 1: a second, excuse me, nasty, I'm Jess, I'm so sorry.

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Speaker 1: We're all we're very gassy today. Speak for yourself. Two.

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Speaker 1: Doting Dance Podcast acknowledges the traditional custodians of country throughout

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Speaker 1: Australia and the connections to land, see and community.

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Speaker 2: We pay our respects to their elders past and present

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Speaker 2: and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torrestraight Islander

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Speaker 2: people's today