1 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:01,880 Speaker 1: Podcasting. 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 2: Well, you were a guest on an amazing podcast and 3 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 2: you brought up something their podcast. 4 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:10,880 Speaker 1: I shouldn't be saying thanks, but. 5 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 2: You deserve it. You're part of it now, I'm yeah, 6 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 2: he said something absolutely fascinating on this podcast, which I 7 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 2: think a lot of people will find incredibly interesting. 8 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: Are we going to call the podcast what it is? First? 9 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 2: Yes, the podcast is called The Imperfect which you can 10 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 2: get on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. 11 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 2: And to give it a quick spiel, it basically speaks 12 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:35,239 Speaker 2: to people, well known people. They've spoken of Missy Higgins, 13 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:38,199 Speaker 2: Ryan Shelton's done it. He's also a big part of it. 14 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 2: And now they've got you on their big boy amongst 15 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 2: the big names. But basically they talk to these people 16 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:51,240 Speaker 2: scrab in the bottom of the barrel. No, basically, they 17 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 2: speak to people about their vulnerabilities, and you know, it 18 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 2: does shine a light on being imperfect. Now, I do 19 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 2: want to Honey, Hugh. 20 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 1: I'm sure a lot of people would have heard of 21 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 1: the Resilience Project, that he's got an amazing book that's 22 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: out right now. I've spoken a lot about now. He 23 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 1: talks at schools all over the country, He's done amazing 24 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 1: work with like literally everyone in sport, from the Australian 25 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:15,479 Speaker 1: cricket team all the way through lots of AFL teams. 26 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:18,279 Speaker 1: Like he's he's a phenomenal speaker, talker, thinker in this space. 27 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 2: So it's a. 28 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 1: Pretty cool privilege to be asked to be to go 29 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: on there and him asked questions about you and how 30 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: you think you can help other people. 31 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 2: He was blown away by what you brought to the 32 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 2: podcast though, and again people should go and listen to this, 33 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 2: But again I do want to hone in on one 34 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 2: part of it. It is a longer chat, so go and 35 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 2: get the full chat in your own time, but I 36 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:38,119 Speaker 2: do want to focus on one thing. I'm just going 37 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 2: to play some audio from the chat itself. Yeah. 38 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:44,399 Speaker 1: The following year Wood he was a personal trainer. That 39 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: doesn't surprise me. Like, and I'm not a boy. Yeah, yeah, 40 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 1: he's a good looking he's a. 41 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 2: Good looking Sorry sorry, that's the wrong grab. That's just 42 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 2: you saying I'm a good looking boy. That's that's that's 43 00:01:57,360 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 2: my mistake. We do have a second grab. 44 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: At some point in our very formative teenage years, we 45 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:07,279 Speaker 1: have hardwired into us that like you succeed, you're happy, 46 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 1: and like it's hilarious that you know, I talk about 47 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 1: the assembly hall that will unite through these sketches in 48 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: front of Like all the walls are just lined with 49 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 1: names of people who have in inverted commas achieved success, 50 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 1: And what do you think putting them above everyone's head 51 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: and embossing them and gold does like makes you think 52 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:26,920 Speaker 1: to yourself, like, that's what I want, that's what I need, 53 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: That's how I get recognition, and hence that's how I'm happy. Now. 54 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 2: The hall you're talking about was our school that we went, 55 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 2: and I'm going to go into that too much, but 56 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 2: I do want to focus on garnering or bringing about 57 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 2: and upbringing to your children, where you are telling them 58 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 2: that to achieve equals happiness. 59 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty interesting stuff. I mean, the first thing 60 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 1: I want to say is that, like, I can't imagine 61 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: how hard it would be being a parent and trying 62 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 1: to come up with inverted commas the perfect way to 63 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:06,079 Speaker 1: raise a kid, because it just feels like whatever you do, 64 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 1: you're going to be you're going to create an insecurity, 65 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: You're going to create demons for them. Like the funny 66 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 1: part about this is I feel like I was definitely 67 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:20,920 Speaker 1: pushed by the school that I went to go and 68 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 1: achieve to do great things, and in a lot of ways, 69 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 1: I'm grateful for that. I know it definitely hurt me 70 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: in a lot of ways. But the other side of 71 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: that is that my girlfriend Sam, when she heard the 72 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: podcast and heard me talk about this and how it 73 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 1: created a real dynamic in my brain where I wasn't 74 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 1: happy unless I was achieving. But she said to me, 75 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: you should be really lucky that your parents actually pushed 76 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 1: you to achieve and your school pushed you to achieve, 77 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: because I didn't get that at all, and I was 78 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 1: very talented and I didn't really achieve anything, but I 79 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: just wasn't pushed hard enough. So I feel like as 80 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: a parent, you kind of damned if you do it, 81 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 1: damn if you don't. Like I don't envy parents at 82 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: all in that respect, And that's actually one of the 83 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 1: things I'm most scared of being your father is just 84 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: I'm so worried about the fact that I'm going to 85 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: get it wrong. So I don't there's no blame that 86 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 1: I want to attribute to any I don't think there's 87 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 1: any blame that I can point anywhere and in a 88 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 1: lot of ways. The school that we went to, yeah, 89 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: sure it was high power and achievement based, but you know, 90 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 1: look at where we are right now because we both 91 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 1: work Bluddyhart. So there's those great things to come out 92 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:27,799 Speaker 1: of that. But at the same time, I do think 93 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 1: and I stress this in the podcast. I think we're 94 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: going to put it on our Instagram as well if 95 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: you want to go and check it out. But I 96 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 1: think there are a lot of people listening to this 97 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 1: who went to schools where you were taught ambition literally, 98 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:45,359 Speaker 1: like it was like something that was drilled into you 99 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: that to have a goal, to achieve a goal is 100 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: a great way to go about life, and it is 101 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 1: a great way to go about life. There's lots to 102 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: be said for that, but I really think that there 103 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 1: needs to be a big focus on if you're going 104 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,040 Speaker 1: to run with that model, you've got to give them 105 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: the option b you've got it, You've got it, because 106 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: because if you're not talented, if you're not great at 107 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:07,600 Speaker 1: achieving those goals, where's your fulfillment? Where's your recognition? And 108 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 1: it's bizarre, and we talk about it more on the 109 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:12,239 Speaker 1: podcast as well, but we start talking about blazer pockets, 110 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 1: which is hilarious. It's like a peacock's plumage a blazer pocket. 111 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 2: And the other side of it, by the way, is 112 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:20,359 Speaker 2: that if you push to achievement, if like achievement is happiness, 113 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 2: and you achieve a lot in your younger years in 114 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 2: school where you're like, oh, it was great at this, 115 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 2: great at this, how are you going to feel at 116 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 2: twenty four to twenty five when maybe the achievement's dry up? 117 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 1: That's right? 118 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 2: And does that mean you're not happy anymore? But you're 119 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 2: not so good? 120 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: They get so good at going here, the accolades, you know, 121 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 1: you did well, this, you did well, this, we do 122 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 1: with this, and then you get out of school and 123 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: you're not getting the accolades, and then all of a sudden, 124 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 1: if you were a high achiever, you're feeling empty. If 125 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:46,559 Speaker 1: you weren't a high achiever, then you're also feeling empty. 126 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 1: So I really do think that in schools, whether it's 127 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:51,600 Speaker 1: you know, high powered private school like we went to, 128 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 1: or any school ever anywhere, I think it's really important 129 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 1: to show kids that there are other ways to feel 130 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 1: fulfilled and feel happy that's not based around actually exceeding 131 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 1: and because it's something that's got me in a lot 132 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 1: of trouble in the past. And yeah, that's not just 133 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: the school's fault, Like I was obviously very prone to 134 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: it myself and I compounded the problem in my own head. 135 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: But yeah, look, have listened to it on the podcast. 136 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 1: It's our It's on our Instagram, Willanoo. If you want 137 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 1: to learn more about. 138 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 2: That fascinating chat, everyone go and get it. We're gonna 139 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 2: put the link on our Instagram in the bio, so 140 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:21,840 Speaker 2: Will and Woody go and check it out there. It's 141 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 2: a phenomenal chat. 142 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 1: See what you're hearing. 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