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Speaker 1: Ash.

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Speaker 2: Look at me, Look at me. I want to see

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Speaker 2: your face. I want to see your eyes. Okay, you

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Speaker 2: got a couple of little bags under there?

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Speaker 1: You get enough sleep? How are you sleeping? Have the

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Speaker 1: kids sleeping? More important?

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Speaker 3: I usually sleep on my back. I found aside sleeper.

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Speaker 1: I don't sleeper.

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Speaker 3: Who you are? I was shocked, you know, when we

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Speaker 3: shared a bed. You start my pillow and you wake

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Speaker 3: up with pinker.

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Speaker 2: My kids Right now, though, I do think that we've

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Speaker 2: not had any help at all, an external help, No

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Speaker 2: sleep specialist has come into this household until now. I

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Speaker 2: know the first time, and I do it's I would

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Speaker 2: say it's one of my biggest regrets, you know, not

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Speaker 2: getting not getting the help when it's needed.

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Speaker 1: If you sprain your ankle, you go to a physio.

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Speaker 3: I just elevate it.

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Speaker 1: If you have a headache, you go the doctor.

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Speaker 2: I just take some at all if you can, all right,

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Speaker 2: and if your kids aren't sleeping, A lot of parents,

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Speaker 2: myself included, we just battle it out.

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Speaker 3: You did put your ego aside and let someone in

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Speaker 3: your house and help you out.

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Speaker 1: There's no there's no award, all right.

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Speaker 2: If you get to the finish line, you finished the

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Speaker 2: job of parenting, and you go, I've never seen a

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Speaker 2: sleep specialist. You don't get anything for it, no trophy,

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Speaker 2: there's no metal.

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Speaker 3: There should be Well, no, there's shouldn't be.

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Speaker 2: You need to get help, get support. It takes a village,

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Speaker 2: for God's sake. Well said, But we have a sleep specialist,

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Speaker 2: very first time as household. It is a family member

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Speaker 2: of mine, Sarah Clifton, who was the founder of Swoop Baby,

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Speaker 2: and she's here to tell us all the information that

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Speaker 2: we need as parents of young little ones how to

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Speaker 2: get them to sleep better.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I can't wait for this. Shall we just dive

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Speaker 3: straight into it?

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Speaker 4: Let's swoop into it.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to two doting dads and one dorting mum.

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Speaker 2: I am Maddie j and I'm Sarah.

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Speaker 1: And this is a podcast all about parenting.

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Speaker 3: It is the good, it is the bad and the relatable.

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Speaker 2: We don't often often, we don't really ever give advice,

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Speaker 2: but this is one of the few episodes where we

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Speaker 2: actually have an expert.

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Speaker 3: Yeah me, thank me, thank you, a real expert.

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Speaker 2: Would you call yourself a sleep specialist? What's your official title?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, baby and toddle asleep specialist?

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Speaker 2: So once I get past the title of stage, you're like,

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Speaker 2: as anyone ever said, like, we're a six year old

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Speaker 2: and you're like too odd.

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Speaker 3: You already have someone you can pass them on to,

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Speaker 3: like this guy goes from six to eleven and so

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Speaker 3: on and so forth. No, you think by those stage

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Speaker 3: that they're sleeping.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I hope so, but no, look for strategies for

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Speaker 6: three year olds, five year old same as six year olds.

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Speaker 6: Yeah we can give it, and yeah, hopefully help you out.

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Speaker 3: I have a burning question. Now you do know Matt personally,

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Speaker 3: but I would like to know for you, what's the

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Speaker 3: most trouble as a child that you got into.

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Speaker 7: Oh, the first thing that comes to mind is probably

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Speaker 7: when I was a teenager, went to boarding school in

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Speaker 7: Sydney and anyway, all my parents release.

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Speaker 1: Or is that prison?

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Speaker 3: That's prison?

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Speaker 1: That's prison.

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Speaker 3: Prison.

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Speaker 5: It's a lot of fun because we've got we get

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Speaker 5: into the Sydney life. You're from Orange, Yes, it's thirty

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Speaker 5: k's west of Orange.

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Speaker 1: So I apologize, we do, we do.

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Speaker 2: For context, Sarah is the younger sister of my sister's husband.

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's a mouthful fact, is that right? Sister in law?

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Speaker 1: That's what I say yeah, should I swear it was orange?

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Speaker 5: So well, I'm running already because we had the wedding there.

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Speaker 1: Maybe that's that's why it's thrown me.

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Speaker 3: How we just ran out of town names, so we

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Speaker 3: started giving them colors.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 3: You've got to go past yellow to get the orange,

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Speaker 3: and if you go past orange and purple, you've gone

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Speaker 2: Was Sydney like a dawn As a teenagers it daunting

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Speaker 2: coming from Molong.

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Speaker 6: I mean it's the big smoke in the country. Like

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Speaker 6: So yeah, this one time we mum and dad were

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Speaker 6: lot of rope, like they were very fair and we

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Speaker 6: used to take us to like we'd have a fake ida.

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Speaker 5: She was okay with that. They'd take us to the

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Speaker 5: Wallaby bar, pick us up later.

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Speaker 1: Love that anyway.

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Speaker 2: Produce suggestion was like what I was also a bit

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Speaker 2: like the cops? Can I just really quickly? How did

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Speaker 2: you get the fake idea?

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Speaker 5: So it was one of the girls. The older girls

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Speaker 5: at Scope looked similar.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we used to do that too.

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Speaker 1: We got long hats easy.

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Speaker 3: We had one we had. One of the boys was

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Speaker 3: and we all used the same ideas. Every pub you

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Speaker 5: And often they're like, oh, yeah.

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Speaker 6: You look trustworthy, come on yeah yeah, and I think

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Speaker 6: we're probably seventeen. Anyway, I was with one of my

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Speaker 5: I don't think they were there this.

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Speaker 6: Night, but met these two guys and we would like

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Speaker 6: had a couple of Margy's and we thought they were

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Speaker 5: I don't know one thing.

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Speaker 6: Later to know, we're like, oh, you can come back

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Speaker 5: Oh what too fresh here? And they were like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 6: Our best mate, how far where you were with Fresh? Ye,

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Speaker 6: it's a good thirty minute uber.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an investment.

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Speaker 5: It's an investment. I don't know Anyway, we went back.

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Speaker 6: They didn't realize that we were staying with my parents

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Speaker 6: and that we weren't actually twenty three. We were seventeen,

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Speaker 6: Oh no, I wouldn't be smiling if I was you.

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Speaker 6: And I was like, oh, went downstairs, and Dad's like,

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Speaker 5: And I was like oh. And then it started getting

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Speaker 1: I actually boys, the guys.

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Speaker 5: Boys are in the bedroom, and did you know that?

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Speaker 6: Yes, we brought them home, but like we weren't even

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Speaker 5: Yes, So it wasn't.

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Speaker 6: It wasn't, and it was pretty unexp like my dad

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Speaker 6: it was. It got started getting bit embarrassing because I

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Speaker 6: And I said, I know, but is it right if

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Speaker 5: Could she?

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Speaker 6: Oh, you're not taking them anywhere? Dad was like, no,

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Speaker 5: So I had to go up. Bill was there. He

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Speaker 6: So went upstairs and my friend hales I was like, guys,

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Speaker 6: dad's yet nice, nice, had a way to meet anyway.

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Speaker 1: He was polite to shake the hand. Yeah.

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Speaker 6: When we walked and I walked up to us, and

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Speaker 6: me and my friend had I'm like, what were we

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Speaker 3: Like you think I had no anyway? We've got here now.

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Speaker 5: Went back home.

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Speaker 6: My brother's like, Sarah like he looked like Spike from

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Speaker 3: That's good parenting. I think I would have just been erratic.

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Speaker 1: Yeah the fuck. Yes.

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Speaker 6: They were pretty good about it. He wasn't impressed, but

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Speaker 3: He was trying to be nice.

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Speaker 6: Well there was it, honestly like but it was just

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you look back and go, why did I do that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you used to work I'd say, advertising, But

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Speaker 5: So it all happened when I had Woolfee.

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Speaker 6: A lot of people would say to me, oh, so

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Speaker 6: are you going to find that first year of motherhood

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Speaker 6: really tough? And even Mum she was like, you love

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Speaker 6: it was something I really wanted to learn more about

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Speaker 6: and kind of set us up for success in that respect.

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Speaker 6: So I just did a lot of research on sleep,

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Speaker 6: kind of found my groove more easily than I expected,

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Speaker 6: and that fourth trymester of the verse three months was

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Speaker 6: started passing on that knowledge. And swaddling was a big

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Speaker 6: thing for me. I was very passionate about swaddling, and

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Speaker 6: I believe.

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Speaker 5: That really set the boys up for success.

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Speaker 6: So I wanted to make these swaddles because I had

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Speaker 6: it started. I was thinking more product business and then thought,

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Speaker 6: in total of sleep consulting courses, thought leadership for the

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Speaker 6: product business and loved it, and yeah, I just started

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Speaker 6: passing on that knowledge and doing it on the side.

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Speaker 2: So when you get a new customer and you have

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Speaker 6: We need to ensure they're getting enough sleep. If they

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Speaker 5: Minutes sleep induces sleep sleep Mate, sleep, sleep Soldier.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot going on that's external noise things happening

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so it is good if you can work on

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Speaker 3: Just to go off track here a little bit, when

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Speaker 1: Keep the light to play.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Well, when they're newborns, like it doesn't matter, like

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Speaker 5: And yet light signals to the brain it's time to

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Speaker 6: So getting a nice dark environment is good if your

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Speaker 5: And that's when I like to try and get them

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Speaker 5: Definitely by six months. I mean babies thrive on routine.

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Speaker 5: From four to six months.

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Speaker 1: How do we solve the mouth breathing?

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Speaker 6: Yes, developmental leaps, teething sickness very common question with parents

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Speaker 6: routine when they're sick, absolutely fine, and when you when

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Speaker 6: they are better because they've learnt to sleep well, they'll

446
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Speaker 6: bounce back when you're consistent consistencies, keep consistent with your

447
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Speaker 6: settling and they'd get back on track with the timings

448
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Speaker 6: and they'll be absolutely fine.

449
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Speaker 3: Because I know where Macy is like a bit unwell,

450
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Speaker 3: she's you can tell that she wants to sleep more. Yeah,

451
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Speaker 3: and there's and it's like it might be four in

452
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Speaker 3: the afternoon, which is a horrible time to let have

453
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Speaker 3: a nap, but if she needs it, she needs it.

454
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Speaker 3: And it's like, look, if I'm going to have a

455
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Speaker 3: rough night now because of her, if she can get

456
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Speaker 3: some sort of reprieve, like I can get a letter, app.

457
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Speaker 6: Work, Yeah, And when they're having those naps that four pm,

458
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Speaker 6: when they're not well, they're still going to sleep well,

459
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Speaker 6: because they just need it.

460
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Speaker 5: They need that extra sleep when they're sick.

461
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Speaker 2: Obviously, every child, every family is different. I remember there

462
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Speaker 2: was there was a friend who I won't name, but

463
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Speaker 2: they were like, oh, yeah, the baby, we'll just just

464
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Speaker 2: sleep when it's tired.

465
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Speaker 1: I don't remember who.

466
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Speaker 2: Were like being like nine o'clock at night and the

467
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Speaker 2: baby was, like I say, a toddler was still just

468
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Speaker 2: like up and about and I.

469
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Speaker 1: Was like, oh my god, like the child is to sleep, well, well.

470
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Speaker 6: Yeah, like it does need But at the same time,

471
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Speaker 6: like if the parents are fine with that, you do

472
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Speaker 6: you You know, sleep is alone behavior, babies alone through

473
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Speaker 6: us being very consistent in our approach.

474
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Speaker 5: If you're not ready for change or wanting it, you're

475
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Speaker 5: not going to be consistent.

476
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Speaker 6: The baby's probably going to go backwards because they're very confused.

477
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Speaker 6: They protest and it's all a bit of a mess.

478
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Speaker 6: So do what's right for you, and when it's not right,

479
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Speaker 6: get help. When you'll be ready and you'll see great progress.

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Speaker 2: But if I'm trying to get Poppy to put herself

481
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Speaker 2: to sleep, like the room is dark, there's a bit

482
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Speaker 2: of white noise, I'm swaddling her, give her the bottle

483
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Speaker 2: and I'd like to just pot it, put it down

484
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Speaker 2: in the cot, Like, how can I make her have

485
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Speaker 2: the ability to put herself to sleep?

486
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Speaker 6: Yeah, so she's still really young, and assistance is absolutely fine.

487
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Speaker 6: If she's feeding well and she's put on good weight

488
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Speaker 6: and she's had a good feed off and they're quite content,

489
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Speaker 6: and you can put them down like swaddling his key obviously,

490
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Speaker 6: nice tight swattle.

491
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Speaker 5: Make sure the nap is clean.

492
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Speaker 6: I mean, put it down and just see what she does.

493
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Speaker 6: There's no harm in doing that. And that's what I

494
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Speaker 6: used to do with my boys, and they very quickly

495
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Speaker 6: kind of learned how to get themselves off to sleep in.

496
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Speaker 2: Case there's no stimulation in the room. So they'll kind

497
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Speaker 2: of just be like, oh, I guess.

498
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Speaker 6: I'll well if at poppies age, like, if you can

499
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Speaker 6: replicate that feeling of being in the womb. So you've

500
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Speaker 6: got a really nice tight swaddle, You've got the white

501
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Speaker 6: noise on because that's kind of the sound that she's

502
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Speaker 6: used to. It's a really nice temperature, it's nice and dark,

503
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Speaker 6: and she's had a good feed she'll be feeling really

504
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Speaker 6: nice and content. Yes, some do drift off, they don't

505
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Speaker 6: all absolutely not. And if they don't, that's when we

506
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Speaker 6: just get a nice consistent method. Shushpat is a good

507
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Speaker 6: one for your age.

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Speaker 5: Sushpat. You can start with shushpat when you've got her squatted, just.

509
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Speaker 6: Start by shush patting her up here or even like

510
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Speaker 6: in your arms in the cradle position, because then it's

511
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Speaker 6: easier to put her in the bassinet. And even just

512
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Speaker 6: when she's like even drowsy, then you put her in

513
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Speaker 6: the bassinet.

514
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Speaker 5: You can even put her on the side.

515
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Speaker 3: That's great technique.

516
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Speaker 6: If she gets upset, you go a bit harder with

517
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Speaker 6: the pats and a bit louder with the shushing.

518
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Speaker 5: On the side.

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Speaker 6: What's your rhythm of the she's getting tired and drowsy,

520
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Speaker 6: nearly there, yeah, slocked down and you tape it off, Yeah,

521
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Speaker 6: tape it off.

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Speaker 3: You go, that's great technique. I'll let your practice on

523
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Speaker 3: me later down.

524
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Speaker 1: And then do you then like tape her off to

525
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Speaker 1: like a yeah.

526
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Speaker 6: And if and when I think she's they're nearly there,

527
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Speaker 6: I sort of just yeah, like lightly take my.

528
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Speaker 5: Hand off, and if they're kind of.

529
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Speaker 1: Then they go, yeah, we start again.

530
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Speaker 6: But if not often yeah, but it can take you know,

531
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Speaker 6: it can take twenty thirty minutes. You can take time,

532
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Speaker 6: but the more you do it, the more consistent you are.

533
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Speaker 2: That time decreases are you're trying to get him to

534
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Speaker 2: the point of just going to sleep, and then you

535
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Speaker 2: put them down because you like, is it true that

536
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Speaker 2: you don't want them to fall a sip in your

537
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Speaker 2: arms because then they get used to that that you

538
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Speaker 2: just still have like like ninety five percent.

539
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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, he's spot on.

540
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Speaker 6: Yeah, but when but when they're old as a new

541
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Speaker 6: one for Poppy, like a young kidding. But when they're

542
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Speaker 6: four months onwards, when we know the neurologically mature enough

543
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Speaker 6: to self soothe, self settle, Yes, absolutely want to really

544
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Speaker 6: die back on that assistance.

545
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Speaker 5: So they're falling asleep on their own.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. When we got sort of stuck in the routine

547
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Speaker 3: of the shushpat with oscar as he got a little

548
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Speaker 3: bit older too, because I think he quite enjoyed it.

549
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Speaker 3: He enjoyed it so much that when we tried to

550
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Speaker 3: stop it and I looked in the camera, he was

551
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Speaker 3: spanking himself.

552
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Speaker 1: He's like, oh, that's the spot.

553
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Speaker 3: And I was like, I've got the monitor and I'm like,

554
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Speaker 3: what is he doing? And I was like he's a

555
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 3: pat in himself. And it's like I remember the days.

556
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Speaker 3: I mean, Macy was thankfully not as bad as Oscar,

557
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Speaker 3: but yeah, the shushpat and it was a lot of

558
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Speaker 3: like body weight squats, if I'm honest.

559
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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, look, and a lot of parents like even

560
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Speaker 6: the bouncy ball.

561
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Speaker 5: I'm seeing a lot of parents.

562
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Speaker 6: Get used to like bouncing their babies on a bounce ball.

563
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Speaker 6: And I always say my advice like, try and find

564
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Speaker 6: something that's sustainable, because that's pretty tiring enough on your step.

565
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Speaker 1: Count right now was through.

566
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Speaker 3: My quads were huge.

567
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Speaker 2: I'm lapping up and down the hallway behind you say,

568
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Speaker 2: it's just like is it because it replicates the motion

569
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Speaker 2: of being in the room.

570
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Speaker 5: Yeah, the motion.

571
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Speaker 6: But as they get older, that can all become a

572
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Speaker 6: bit too much and it becomes a bit too stimulating

573
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Speaker 6: and it can actually disrupt.

574
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Speaker 1: Them more so that you get too much pat.

575
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Speaker 5: Yeah to hop back on it now get heavy and

576
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Speaker 5: you're like, oh sure.

577
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Speaker 2: Really, you've got a couple of questions because you don't

578
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Speaker 2: have a newborn unfortunately, as much as you love one.

579
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Speaker 3: I'm a proud owner of a phaseectomy. Thank you, Matthew,

580
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Speaker 3: Thank goodness, Yes, I have got a four and a

581
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Speaker 3: six year old. Now, keeping in mind they share a room, Okay,

582
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Speaker 3: they love it. They love each other, thank god. But

583
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Speaker 3: my first question is they are different age and Macy's

584
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Speaker 3: not yet four and Oscar is probably six and a

585
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Speaker 3: half going on seven. So it's like, in terms of

586
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Speaker 3: the routine and the time of sleep, they go to

587
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Speaker 3: sleep at the same time.

588
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Speaker 2: Marley at the moment similar they share a room and

589
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Speaker 2: Marley Lola falls asleep straight away and Marley's there.

590
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Speaker 1: Like interesting, Lola's like, oh, they're on bunk beds and

591
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Speaker 1: you said lowers down the bottom.

592
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's probably a benefit for you, guys, because

593
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Speaker 3: mine is side by side like a prison cell. And

594
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Speaker 3: the main question is there for me, is at what

595
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Speaker 3: age do I start to change the routine up a

596
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Speaker 3: bit so they're comfortable with Oscars doesn't feel like he's

597
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Speaker 3: getting dutted out of the chance to stay up late,

598
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Speaker 3: and then Macy can get to sleep without being disrupted

599
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Speaker 3: by old chatter box over there that can't shut up.

600
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

601
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Speaker 6: So if it's working for you and they're happy and

602
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Speaker 6: they're both going down pretty easily, there's no need to

603
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Speaker 6: change it.

604
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Speaker 5: And for four and six year old's like seven pm

605
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Speaker 5: is still still really good?

606
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Speaker 3: Okay, good children?

607
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Speaker 5: Under seven seven PM's great bedtime? And what time are.

608
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Speaker 3: They going to yeah around there yeah.

609
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Speaker 5: And what time are they working up?

610
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Speaker 3: Around six o'clock ish, Yeah, it'll.

611
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Speaker 6: Take Yeah, so that's perfect. They're getting eleven hours perfect.

612
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Speaker 3: Parents, are you're killing it?

613
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Speaker 5: Ash? And yeah? I mean you get your back with

614
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Speaker 5: his seven pm bedtimes?

615
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Speaker 6: Your son oscar becomes bedtime battles and he's really struggling

616
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Speaker 6: to get asleep. That's when you might go, cool, we

617
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Speaker 6: need to lame, stayup until seven thirty. But under seven

618
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Speaker 6: seven PM's great.

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Speaker 3: The reasons they give for not wanting to go to bed,

620
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Speaker 3: I'm sure that you're probably you're a four and a

621
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Speaker 3: half year old now that probably it's like it's time

622
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Speaker 3: to go to bed. But they'll give any reason they

623
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Speaker 3: shouldn't go to bed. Do you have any techniques or

624
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Speaker 3: anything you can say to us that will help me

625
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Speaker 3: get through that moment without getting frustrated?

626
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Speaker 5: Yeah, like the power plays and the.

627
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Speaker 1: I'm so thirsty now if you've had four cups of water.

628
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Speaker 3: My kid, or drink that it's drink bottling beds. Just

629
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Speaker 3: certainly I got away.

630
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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, and I'll wear the speak of

631
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Speaker 6: it at the moment, Like with Teddy's the naughty one

632
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Speaker 6: and he's like, oh, one more high five, some more tickles,

633
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Speaker 6: more tickles.

634
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 5: Oh I'm really I'm thirsty, and I'm like, I can

635
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Speaker 5: see what's going on here.

636
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,640
Speaker 6: You give them an inch and they take a and

637
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 6: that's that's the challenge. Like limits and boundaries is key,

638
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 6: and it's an incredibly part of parenting. So yeah, you

639
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 6: just got to be firm with your limits and boundary

640
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 6: and go look, at the end of the day, bed

641
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 6: time is important. We're going to do a nice wine

642
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Speaker 6: down and routain very consistent, predictable wine down, retain where

643
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 6: they get the connection the fun that time with you,

644
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 6: and then when it's bedtime, it's bedtime and it's kind

645
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 6: of not negotiable, so you just ignore these additional affairs

646
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Speaker 6: at spaed time.

647
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was literally about you about that.

648
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Speaker 2: There's been times where it's talking. I was like, can

649
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Speaker 2: I please have a tickle back? And I'm like, I'm

650
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,439
Speaker 2: not fucking giving you anything, and then one time I

651
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 2: was like, you know what, I'll give you one minute

652
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Speaker 2: back tickle and then you go to sleep and she

653
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 2: had the one minute and I was like, I'm done now,

654
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 2: and she's like, cool, I got what I needed.

655
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Speaker 3: It must have been a very good The next time

656
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Speaker 3: she like.

657
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Speaker 2: She does she needs like a one minute took her back.

658
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Speaker 2: I mean, once it starts creeping in like one minute,

659
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Speaker 2: thirty two minutes, that's another story.

660
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Speaker 1: But sometimes they just like you get your time.

661
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Speaker 2: You kind of I was, I thought to myself, oh wow,

662
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Speaker 2: I like to sometimes it be a bit of a

663
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Speaker 2: dictator when it comes to putting the kids at the

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Speaker 2: bed and not letting them have anything that is. But

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Speaker 2: then I was like, oh, it kind of does sometimes

666
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Speaker 2: benefit to.

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Speaker 1: Just give them a little wind.

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Speaker 6: Totally totally, and I encourage you like just with like

669
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Speaker 6: for them and decisions in the day. If you let

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Speaker 6: them have a bit of swaying, you know, what, what

671
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Speaker 6: dress are you wanting to these stress all these dress

672
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Speaker 6: and then they feel like more at ease and so

673
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Speaker 6: like if one minute tickles going get her asleep much sooner.

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Speaker 6: There's there's nothing wrong with that. It's when she needs

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Speaker 6: to go, okay, I want five minutes.

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Speaker 3: We sort of like I sort of implement the once

677
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Speaker 3: you step. So they obviously shower and stuff, and then

678
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 3: they share a room, so once you step into your room,

679
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 3: the silliness is over. Like this is the spot they

680
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Speaker 3: never listen because it's like I'll walk away for a

681
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Speaker 3: second and then all of a sudden, they're like having something.

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Speaker 3: You know, they're doing something silly and April will be

683
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Speaker 3: enabling it and I'll be like oh, and then she'll

684
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Speaker 3: be like, yeah, she told just stop being silly. But

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Speaker 3: then it's like if I.

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Speaker 1: Just have that on record that Ash put the blame

687
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Speaker 1: on April for that one.

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Speaker 3: I always do. But like Matt was saying, it's kind

689
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Speaker 3: of like I've said to them a few times where

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Speaker 3: it's like like trying different things to get them to

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Speaker 3: shout up and go to sleep, where it's kind of

692
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Speaker 3: like you're in my time now and that makes me upset,

693
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Speaker 3: Like how would you hate it if I interrupted your time?

694
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Speaker 3: And it's kind of like they're like I don't get

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Speaker 3: what you mean.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So how long are they it varies taking to

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Speaker 5: get to sleep?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like look it can take they just I do

699
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Speaker 3: say sometimes to them, Look, I don't mind if you

700
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Speaker 3: guys interact quietly, Yeah, okay, because if I have to

701
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Speaker 3: be across the house and I can hear you giggling

702
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Speaker 3: and carrying on. There's no sleep happening there. But like

703
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Speaker 3: I've walked in and Oscar is fast asleep and makes

704
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Speaker 3: he's still talking to him, you know. But like I

705
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Speaker 3: would say, it's never unless they're absolutely wrecked. It's like

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Speaker 3: thirty forty five minutes. Yeah, like oh my god, yeah yeah.

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Speaker 6: Well look, it takes any human on average twayments get sleep.

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Speaker 6: And with my boys, I just think, look, if they're

709
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Speaker 6: having a little chat, like we can't make them go

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Speaker 6: to sleep.

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Speaker 1: Shut That's pretty much what I'm like.

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Speaker 6: But it's if they're like being really not getting out

713
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Speaker 6: of better that sort of thing a few times. Yeah,

714
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Speaker 6: And it's just finding out what works for each child

715
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Speaker 6: and finding their currency and fool wolfy and deady, like

716
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Speaker 6: they love to have the.

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Speaker 5: Door open, and that's fine.

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Speaker 6: You can have the door open when you go to bed,

719
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Speaker 6: but if you get up, we're gonna have shut the door,

720
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Speaker 6: or if you keep talking, we're gonna have shut the door.

721
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Speaker 6: And that works for them, and I've tried that strategy

722
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Speaker 6: on other clients. It doesn't always work for the child.

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Speaker 6: We've got to find their currentcy in it four and

724
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Speaker 6: six and maybe they're a bit too old now, but

725
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Speaker 6: work with a lot of three year old's four year

726
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Speaker 6: olds and like rules and rewards is a good one,

727
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Speaker 6: Like these are the bedtime rules, and keep really simple.

728
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Speaker 5: But you know, you close your eyes, the CLIs over,

729
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Speaker 5: you know, showing them what to do. Sometimes kids like

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Speaker 5: at that age when they're a bit older.

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Speaker 2: Like they literally yeah, forget the kind of what their

732
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Speaker 2: own arts, like, you forget they don't know how about

733
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Speaker 2: themselves to sleep?

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, eyes go back.

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Speaker 6: To basics and then go cool if you you know,

736
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Speaker 6: these are bedtime rules or bedtime manners, and you do

737
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Speaker 6: that and you get stick out or like what's their currency,

738
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Speaker 6: you know, going the beach for her, for the playground or.

739
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Speaker 1: Money?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so that can work.

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Speaker 3: It's funny you just mentioned before you give them an

742
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Speaker 3: inch to take am mile. That's the thing. There's been

743
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Speaker 3: times be like oh look, okay, you guys, you can

744
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Speaker 3: talk quietly. But it's never it's never quietly. Is that

745
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Speaker 3: they're always like trying to push the boundary.

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Speaker 1: You got the microphone in hand.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're just carrying. And then like lately Macy, who's she's

748
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Speaker 3: obsessed with mermaids. So she keeps tucking her feet into

749
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Speaker 3: the pillow like a mermaid. And then I walked past

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Speaker 3: the room and the legs there's a big flipper.

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Speaker 1: Go to Slade.

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Speaker 2: We have some listening questions there And this was submitted

753
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Speaker 2: by the members of the Facebook group at two dads,

754
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Speaker 2: Do you want to get the first one?

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Speaker 3: Sure? My three year old is now in a habit

756
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 3: of coming into her bed each night, and it's getting

757
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Speaker 3: earlier and earlier. Tips on how to transition them back

758
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Speaker 3: into their bed.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's come on a three and they're coming in

760
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 6: for that reassurance and just returning them to their room

761
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 6: and positive reinforcement and again going back to like at

762
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Speaker 6: three years of age. Role modeling is a big one.

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Speaker 6: So it's just they don't know. Hey, when I wake up,

764
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Speaker 6: they get into these habits. When I wake up, I

765
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Speaker 6: go into mom and Dad's bed. We just need to go, hey,

766
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Speaker 6: when you wake up, you grab your bunny or you

767
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 6: little toy sleep buddy, You close your eyes, you roll

768
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Speaker 6: over and drift.

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Speaker 5: Off to sleep again.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because I suppose the way they I'm trying to

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Speaker 3: get on a child's level here, which is really easy.

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Speaker 3: Like I guess what they think is when I wake up,

773
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Speaker 3: I get out of bed and they don't know what

774
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Speaker 3: time it is, so they're like, well, I've woken up,

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Speaker 3: I'm getting out of bed.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, And so then we've just got to be really yeah,

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Speaker 6: consistent with how we then handle it when they do

778
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Speaker 6: get up. So then we just take them back, hold

779
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Speaker 6: the hand, take them back, put them into bed times

780
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Speaker 6: time to sleep, no night's time sleep, and you know,

781
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Speaker 6: kind of keep it really boring. They're wanting that social interaction, yeah,

782
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Speaker 6: to maybe be in your bed, and you just got

783
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Speaker 6: to be consistent and talk to them. At three years

784
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Speaker 6: of age, they kind of know what they know.

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Speaker 1: So good having to cuddle them.

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Speaker 3: So you would suggest if they get into your bed

787
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Speaker 3: and your like and they get in, you don't really

788
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 3: notice them when they get in, they fall asleep. Yeah,

789
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Speaker 3: I'm best not to pick her up and carry about.

790
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Speaker 3: I'm best like a gentle wake up and walk them

791
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Speaker 3: back and reassure them.

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Speaker 6: And then yeah, oh look, if they're asleep in your

793
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Speaker 6: bed and they do the transfer, that's cool, but more

794
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Speaker 6: I would be trying to get them before they get

795
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Speaker 6: in from bed.

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Speaker 3: Gotcha, gotcha?

797
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Speaker 2: I here and coming sit in the room. You're like,

798
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Speaker 2: this question, is my two year old? How come he

799
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Speaker 2: will sleep great for one night and the next night

800
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Speaker 2: he'll be awake for say three to four hours.

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Speaker 5: Ah.

802
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Speaker 6: So yeah, the split night, the party at three am,

803
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Speaker 6: it's never a fun one. And often it's because there's

804
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Speaker 6: the timing's out, the sleep pressures out, or he's not

805
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Speaker 6: getting enough nap time in the day and that's going

806
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Speaker 6: to mean he's going into bed overtired, and that can

807
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Speaker 6: call was split nights and wait for a decent amount

808
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Speaker 6: of time, or he can be you know, slept too

809
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Speaker 6: much in the day so he just doesn't have that

810
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 6: sleep pressure over night and he's waking for a couple

811
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Speaker 6: of hours. So yeah, i'd be looking at the timing

812
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Speaker 6: of the naps and the time he's going to bed

813
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Speaker 6: and potentially having.

814
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Speaker 5: To adjust that. At this age, Yeah, the nap would

815
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Speaker 5: be about an hour and a half in the day

816
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Speaker 5: of the day. And then you're wanting for our wake

817
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Speaker 5: window from that nap to.

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Speaker 3: Bed, right, because there's that old thing right where parents,

819
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Speaker 3: you got got to sleep through last night. Let's just

820
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Speaker 3: do exactly what we did last night, and it doesn't happen.

821
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Speaker 3: Is it just the case that maybe the roade night,

822
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Speaker 3: that mid day sleep which I miss that mid day sleep.

823
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Speaker 3: It was just a bit shorter, so that their wake

824
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Speaker 3: window is actually a bit longer now before you get

825
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 3: into that bedtime routine. So now they're overtired, which causes

826
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Speaker 3: the split. Yeah, genius.

827
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Speaker 6: And look, it's also how they falling to sleep. If

828
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,320
Speaker 6: they're self settling, no problem. But if they're missing an association,

829
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Speaker 6: they're waking up. They're wanting that. That's like a dummy.

830
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Speaker 3: I remember with Oscar. My kids thankfully just gave up

831
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 3: the dummy. They didn't want it. But I remember early

832
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 3: days like before too, if it fell out of their mouth,

833
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Speaker 3: that's going to get that? Where is it? Right now?

834
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Speaker 3: All of a sudden, they're awake and it's a whole ordeal.

835
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Speaker 3: We're getting a split night sleep.

836
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I've got to teach them to find it.

837
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Speaker 3: I've got another one here. My one year old always

838
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 3: wakes up before five am. How do I get this

839
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Speaker 3: kid to sleep in longer?

840
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Speaker 6: The early morning wakes are such a common one, it's

841
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 6: often the last to resolve. It's really hard to sleep

842
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 6: train at five am. You kind of want to do

843
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 6: whatever you can to get them back to sleep. But

844
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Speaker 6: often I mean the basic environmental stuff you want to

845
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Speaker 6: look at, making sure that you've got the white noise

846
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Speaker 6: on it. It's blocking any environmental noise of the gabos

847
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 6: or birds or whatever. You know, it's a nice environment.

848
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Speaker 6: It drops to its lowest temperature at three am, so

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Speaker 6: you know if they're too cold at five, they're going

850
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Speaker 6: to awake early, making sure the room's nice and dark at

851
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Speaker 6: five am, hopefully it is. And then like nutrition, are

852
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 6: you know, hungry? Are they waking because they're hungry? But

853
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 6: often at one like they're pretty well established on solids,

854
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 6: and that's that's not a reason. Again the nap timings

855
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Speaker 6: and the time they go to bed, and often people think, hey,

856
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 6: a later bedtimes, going in a later wake, and that's

857
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Speaker 6: not the same the case.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we want to get them into bed a bit earlier.

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Speaker 1: Do you think it is beneficial for kids to share

860
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Speaker 1: a room?

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Speaker 6: Yes, I love it if it works for the kids, absolutely,

862
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 6: you know, there's always going to be some excitement around

863
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 6: the few weeks of them sharing a room and they'll

864
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 6: be chatting and doing all their things. But again, limits

865
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Speaker 6: boundaries a key, and yes, if they sleep well, often

866
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,439
Speaker 6: the older one can help the younger one too, And yeah,

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Speaker 6: I think it's great.

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Speaker 1: I feel like it's helped with them Marley and Lawla Bond.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: For sure. I recall just one of my wife's friends saying, oh,

871
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Speaker 3: some of my best memories were sharing rooms with my siblings,

872
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Speaker 3: you know, at that younger age, because it's kind of

873
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Speaker 3: like having to sleep over every night. As long as

874
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 3: they getting sleep. Yeah, and the prison cell together, the

875
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 3: meal comes sliding in under the doors, right.

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Speaker 2: We always end on one question, and that is when

877
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Speaker 2: Teddy and Wolfie are no longer living at home, they've

878
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Speaker 2: grown up, when they've flown the nest, what is the

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Speaker 2: one thing you would want me to remember about the

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Speaker 2: house they grew up in.

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Speaker 5: They're fun.

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Speaker 6: We had have a good time, like, you know, dancing

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Speaker 6: before dinner all like, Yeah, they're fun, they have I

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Speaker 6: love it.

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Speaker 2: And I also love that you've offered to have a

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Speaker 2: night when Poppy is old enough to help her get

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Speaker 2: into a better routine.

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Speaker 6: Yes, we'd love to so newborn nights. We can do that.

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Speaker 6: I'd love to do it now, now do it now?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Do you have to wait until she transitions to a

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Speaker 2: bottle feed no, no, I.

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Speaker 6: Mean if Laura, because I can just bring her into

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Speaker 6: Laura when she's due for a feed and then take her.

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Speaker 6: So Laura just literally gets upfeeds and goes back sleep.

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Speaker 6: I then sort to set or make sure she's getting sleep.

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Speaker 5: So whenever you.

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Speaker 1: Want to thank you so much, Thank you Sarah so much. Guys,

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Speaker 1: I hope you after all that sleep dog.

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Speaker 4: Oh god, I feel like like that.

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Speaker 2: If you found this episode somewhat enjoyable, mane beneficial, little

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Speaker 2: miss nuggets of information, but then please.

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Speaker 3: getting reviews.

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Speaker 2: We started this podcast with one desire, and that was

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Speaker 2: to entertain the tired parents of this country. And what

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Speaker 2: did we ask for in your return? Nothing much, not money,

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Speaker 2: just a review, just one, one review, a few words

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Speaker 2: of your time.

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Speaker 3: People aren't reviewing out of spite now, they're like, he

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Speaker 3: like it when you beg.

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Speaker 2: Also, you can find us on social media at two

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Speaker 2: Doting Dads, Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, and of course, now full

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Speaker 2: Wednesday episodes are on YouTube.

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Speaker 3: Enjoy that as we enjoyed that. Sleep Talk Guys later.

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Speaker 2: Two Doting Dance Podcast acknowledges the traditional custodians of country

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Speaker 2: throughout Australia and the connections to land, see and community.

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Speaker 3: We pay our respects to their elders past and present

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Speaker 3: and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torrestraight Islander

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