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Speaker 1: Get a. I'm Lola Berry, nutritionist, author, actor, TV presenter,

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Speaker 1: and professional oversharer. This podcast is all about celebrating failure

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Speaker 1: because I believe it's a chance for us to learn,

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Speaker 1: grow and face our blind spots. Each week, I'll interview

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Speaker 1: a different guest about their highs as well as their lows,

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Speaker 1: all in a bid to inspire us to furiously fail. Hello,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the pod today. I have a health and

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Speaker 1: wellness guest for you, and I know you know that

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Speaker 1: I'm nutritionist and you would think a lot of the

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Speaker 1: guests that I have on a health kind of base,

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Speaker 1: but really, there I think about it. There's a lot

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Speaker 1: of actors, producers, a lot of people from the entertainment world.

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Speaker 1: So I am excited to have a very healthy episode

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Speaker 1: today with Luke Hines, who is a prolific author. He

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Speaker 1: also works in television. I did not know this about him,

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Speaker 1: but he's a massive Racic Park Bouber fan, much like myself,

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Speaker 1: and he studied musical theater. So there's a bit of

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Speaker 1: everything in this chat. I hope you love it. I

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Speaker 1: hope it inspires you. Also, Luke Big congrats on your

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Speaker 1: new book, Guilt Free Snacks, which is available now. Luke Eynes,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the pod.

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Speaker 2: Long over you, Lawla.

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Speaker 1: Well, I feel like we've crossed paths so many times

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Speaker 1: over the years. You are a very successful celebrity chef,

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Speaker 1: cookbook author of thirteen now books.

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Speaker 2: Yes, like you've beat.

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Speaker 1: Me eleven, you're at thirty.

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Speaker 2: Now are you coming up for though? I have no

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Speaker 2: doubt in no time you'll be overtaking quite proudly.

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Speaker 1: Oh do, Like, yeah, it's it. I'm in awe of you,

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Speaker 1: and you've had such a colorful career as well, so

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Speaker 1: I'm really looking forward to just kind of delving into it.

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Speaker 1: But I want to go back to because we've got

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Speaker 1: a few similarities.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, totally melbs.

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Speaker 1: Both grew up in Melbourne.

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Speaker 2: Both Melbourne people born and bred. Love it down there.

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Speaker 1: I did not know you were on the rowing team.

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Speaker 2: Mm hmmm, hello, watched out.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to be the Cox because I was like,

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Speaker 1: I've got I was I'm sure. So I was like,

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Speaker 1: I want to sit up front and like not have

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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, and you've got to You've got to have

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Speaker 2: a good energy to be the Cox, So you'd be

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Speaker 2: perfect passionate, right, motivating, So I can imagine if I

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Speaker 2: was to get back in rowing, I'd vote you to

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Speaker 2: be Cox for sure, because you'd be keeping up the

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Speaker 2: good vibes, and then mid row you could give us

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Speaker 2: Lolla coffee.

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Speaker 1: I was amazing place.

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Speaker 2: Of it, like a plug sound effect play.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go. The boss I had. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: your friends have had Simon Hill on the podcast recently

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Speaker 1: a plant proof yes, and he was like answering this

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Speaker 1: I'm just loving your coffee. And I was like, because

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Speaker 1: he's so serious and deppat I was like, thank you.

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Speaker 2: Do you tell your guests you've bribed us beforehand to

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Speaker 2: say all this at all just joking. Lola doesn't bribe

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Speaker 2: us at all. It is so good.

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Speaker 1: They're both sitting on it right now. Okay, So one

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Speaker 1: thing I want to find out that I haven't found

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Speaker 1: it yet, but I think we might have gone to

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Speaker 1: like brother sister schools or like boy girl versions. So

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Speaker 1: what school did you go to?

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Speaker 2: Mal St. Kevin's College?

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Speaker 1: Yes, okay, I went to Loretto. Man.

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Speaker 2: We are brother sister school and we're around the same age,

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Speaker 2: So how did we What's funny is we probably crossed

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Speaker 2: now because of our lives have evolved since then.

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Speaker 1: I knew so when you were talking. I listened to

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Speaker 1: out with boys and we meet at Richmond Station after school.

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Speaker 2: I was the guy eating potato cakes at the end

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Speaker 1: Who'd you say, potato cakes and cinnamon scrolls. Felish another

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Speaker 1: thing we have in common. My first job Brumbies get

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Speaker 2: Delive, Yes all the way and you know, I don't

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Speaker 2: I know, I love it good. And because I was poor, struggling,

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Speaker 2: You know what, I think Brumbies was that little bit

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Speaker 2: I told you, you guys, that little step up, like

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Speaker 1: The next thing we have in common? Is I auditioned

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Speaker 1: for is it Bappa?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, Academy Performing Art.

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Speaker 1: I auditioned straight out of school. What now, you were

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Speaker 1: read there straight out? So you're much more talented than.

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Speaker 2: My first choice on my kind of VCE selections was

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Speaker 2: actually criminology, I know, and I was like, oh, I

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Speaker 2: love crime and investigative stuff. And I did my work

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Speaker 2: no denying you've loved the musicals, yes, and you like

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Speaker 2: being on stage. You've thought about auditioning, and I was like, oh,

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Speaker 2: like they what they let twenty people in nerve racking

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Speaker 1: Were you studying musical theater or all of that?

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Speaker 2: Musical theater?

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Speaker 1: Oh? May I auditioned for musical theater at a few places.

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Speaker 2: So we had our school connection, then potential uni connections.

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Speaker 1: Okay, a fourth and final commonality. All right, go Jurassic Park,

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Speaker 1: clever girl. I've done the tour in Hawaii. I've jumped

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Speaker 2: Original original log, chasing them along the way. Yes, I know.

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Speaker 1: I love Jurassic soundtrack.

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Speaker 2: Do you know what's it? I listened to the soundtrack

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Speaker 2: when I'm working, put it on when I'm working. Williams

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Speaker 2: the raptor chase mid workout speeds up. Yeah, people are

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Speaker 2: thinking there's like pop music in my years, when really

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Speaker 2: it's instrumentals of people being eaten to velociraptors.

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Speaker 1: Can I put this out there and ask this though?

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Speaker 1: Did so? For me? I write? I have to write

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Speaker 1: like that because it's instrumental. So Gurassic Park is great

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Speaker 2: It's a good one. Did it did it? Correct?

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Speaker 1: And then what else do I love? Which I'm obsessed

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Speaker 2: What I don't mind is the old Forest Gump theme song,

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Speaker 1: Do you write it?

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Speaker 2: I just listen to it.

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Speaker 1: I love it. I'm very like I will write my

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Speaker 2: You know on the Balcony to Forest Gump official soundtrack.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I love it. I love a good music score.

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Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. I secretly I'm hoping.

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Speaker 1: I know Boss is a music periece, but I'm like,

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Speaker 1: let's do movie.

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Speaker 2: Scores amazing now? Can we come back to Jurassic Park quickly?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Please?

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Speaker 2: So one of the top searched things in my phone

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Speaker 2: Jurassic Park Dominion. It's number six and it brings the

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Speaker 2: original three cast members Jeff Goldlin, Laura Dern and Sam

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Speaker 2: and the director Colin Travurro has said, this isn't Jurassic

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Speaker 2: World three, this is Jurassic Park six. It is literally

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Speaker 2: both worlds combining into a mega marathon, and Chris Pratt

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Speaker 1: Have you watch the bloopers of Jurassic World with Chris Pratt? Yes,

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Speaker 1: he's amazing. My favorite is when he becomes friends with

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Speaker 2: of Jurassic Park, is probably not the section of the

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Speaker 2: that's for you right now.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk more about you and your career. So

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Speaker 1: you were Melbs born and brand. You then go to

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Speaker 1: gold Rush Towns. Right, You've studied musical theater yep for

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Speaker 1: three years. Yes, you then do on your weekends, pet

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Speaker 2: Nomination of two things. One was a realization that there

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Speaker 2: was elements of show business, musicals, kids, hosting all that

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Speaker 2: and when that show's finished, you're one panicking about what

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Speaker 2: haven't built anything. I'm looking at my friends around me,

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Speaker 2: myself to be the Anthony Warlow, to be the Marina Pryor.

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Speaker 2: The impossible attitude. Now, if you're anything like me, you've

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Speaker 2: do it. Or you might try but someone else will

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00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:06,160
Speaker 2: get it. Or what's the point You know you don't

436
00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:08,440
Speaker 2: look the part, or you're you know you're not talented enough.

437
00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:10,800
Speaker 2: That head voice can be make or break with your career.

438
00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:13,680
Speaker 2: When you hang around with people in the industry who

439
00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:16,800
Speaker 2: are really motivated and driven, and we're talking the likes

440
00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:20,119
Speaker 2: of Joe Wicks and whatnot. In these beautiful mentors that

441
00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:22,680
Speaker 2: you and I have had over the years, it reminds

442
00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:26,800
Speaker 2: you to go, well, why not me? I am talented

443
00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:28,520
Speaker 2: enough and I do deserve that.

444
00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:31,119
Speaker 1: My favorite memory of that tour when we were at

445
00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:33,639
Speaker 1: tour is Joe and I've had Joe on the podcast.

446
00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:37,480
Speaker 1: His old senergy. He's absolutely phenomenal and to this day

447
00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:39,639
Speaker 1: I look up to him all the time. But I

448
00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,320
Speaker 1: remember him and Nicky had a higher class ticket than

449
00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:45,399
Speaker 1: me when we were flying somewhere Hello, and I was

450
00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:48,160
Speaker 1: walking with them and they were like about to get

451
00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:50,199
Speaker 1: on the plane obviously like business class something and I

452
00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:53,560
Speaker 1: think I was economy and they both looked at me

453
00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:56,000
Speaker 1: there like just blag it with us, blag it and

454
00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:57,840
Speaker 1: they walked me through with it. I was like, oh

455
00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:00,439
Speaker 1: my goodness, if you were the funniest feeble, I was

456
00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,440
Speaker 1: like being a virgo and like crossing my tea's dotty mas.

457
00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:04,639
Speaker 1: I was like, guys, I'm gonna get in so much

458
00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:11,000
Speaker 1: trouble and they're like, nahlo's gun. Very very fun times. Okay,

459
00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:14,000
Speaker 1: I have to ask you about this. This is a

460
00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:17,720
Speaker 1: really interesting I don't think you'll know this, but I've

461
00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:21,719
Speaker 1: had an actor from Unbroken on the podcast Awesome Had.

462
00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:24,959
Speaker 1: His name is Travis Jeffrey. So he wasn't that I know,

463
00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,320
Speaker 1: you worked with more of the lead actors, but he

464
00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:30,520
Speaker 1: was kind of like what's the word when they're just

465
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Speaker 1: below a lead, you know, like supporting. He was supporting

466
00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:39,920
Speaker 1: actor vital right. He talked a lot about the diet

467
00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:43,280
Speaker 1: that he had to because it's obviously like a prisoner

468
00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:43,919
Speaker 1: of war.

469
00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:48,439
Speaker 2: Cam and to be really skeletalan, you need to not

470
00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:51,080
Speaker 2: only lose body fat, but you actually need to lose

471
00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:52,159
Speaker 2: lean muscle mass.

472
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and he talked to me about I was like,

473
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Speaker 1: oh my god, because I love that movie. And then

474
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Speaker 1: I I want to hear how you got involved with

475
00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:04,440
Speaker 1: that movie because it's the story is really surreal, bizarre.

476
00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:07,320
Speaker 2: So I was a pt just doing my usual daily

477
00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:09,800
Speaker 2: grind in Bondai and I got a call from a

478
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,520
Speaker 2: random American producer who said, we're doing a project in

479
00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:15,280
Speaker 2: Australia and you'd love you to come in for an

480
00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:19,639
Speaker 2: interview to work as a training and food consultant on set. Cool.

481
00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:23,280
Speaker 2: I'm like hello, and they said, yep, come in Wednesday,

482
00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:27,159
Speaker 2: Fox Studios, Australia. Yeah, Lovell Park, And I'm feeling the vibes,

483
00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:30,480
Speaker 2: you know, like to get in there, like you know,

484
00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:33,199
Speaker 2: the closest thing to Hollywood down you know, it's a

485
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,480
Speaker 2: back lot and they shot gat to be there. Yeah,

486
00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:39,639
Speaker 2: so amazing, amazing, and I'm like, oh, it's brilliant. So

487
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,760
Speaker 2: I went into this random kind of pop up production

488
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:46,200
Speaker 2: office that they had in the grounds of the backlot

489
00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:48,720
Speaker 2: at New Park and I went in and I met

490
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Speaker 2: this American producer and we sat down and he just

491
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,119
Speaker 2: asked me about my life and my career and my

492
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,960
Speaker 2: food philosophy and if I was to train someone, what

493
00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,120
Speaker 2: style would I do? And do I cook and all

494
00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:00,560
Speaker 2: of that. And I was fresh out of MKA, so

495
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:02,239
Speaker 2: I was just like, yeah, yeah, I could do that

496
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 2: and I could do this. And he goes, oh, great,

497
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,040
Speaker 2: well look we'll let you know. But I didn't get

498
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:06,600
Speaker 2: any info.

499
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 1: Didn't they tell you at some point to sit down

500
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 1: and have a tea. Yeah.

501
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,720
Speaker 2: So I'm on my way out. So I've finished this interview,

502
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,199
Speaker 2: right and I'm on my way out, and I just

503
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:17,359
Speaker 2: grab a cup of tea and this little he goes, oh,

504
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:19,400
Speaker 2: make yourself a cup of tea, And I was like, okay, cool,

505
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:20,360
Speaker 2: not rush it out.

506
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, Hollywood have Australia right now.

507
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 2: In this tea room. And I'm just standing there at

508
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 2: the sink linking my tea. Someone's next to me in

509
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:32,360
Speaker 2: my peripheral and she's making a tea and I look

510
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 2: at her and she goes, oh, you must be Luke.

511
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:36,919
Speaker 2: And I nearly dropped my tea because the person who

512
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:40,399
Speaker 2: said you must be Luke was Angelina Joelie. And I

513
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:42,840
Speaker 2: just put it all together because I'd read some leaks

514
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:46,560
Speaker 2: online about a production coming down Under for Unbroken. Joelie

515
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:50,000
Speaker 2: was here to direct and I was like hi, and

516
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,000
Speaker 2: she goes, great, thank you so much for coming in.

517
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 2: You know, hopefully we'll get in touch, and I was

518
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:57,119
Speaker 2: just like, yeah, cool. Anyway, I heard like that afternoon

519
00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:59,879
Speaker 2: and I worked in Sydney and then I got shipped

520
00:23:59,920 --> 00:24:01,800
Speaker 2: up to the Gold Coast with them and worked on

521
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 2: the back clock here at Movie World on the Hollywood

522
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 2: on the Gold Coast because they shot heaps out on

523
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 2: the water out at Morton Bay, so all the water

524
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 2: scenes were out at Morton Bay and were up there.

525
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 1: So I heard. So I watched an interview because when

526
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 1: I found out you worked on this, this is how

527
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,679
Speaker 1: much I researched. I then wanted to figure out what

528
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:21,879
Speaker 1: the actors were saying about their diet, because obviously they

529
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 1: all had to get so so lean. And they talk

530
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 1: about that raft scene. There's the three lead actors that

531
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 1: are on the raft and they're like, well, we ate

532
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 1: shark liver and it was really Pistrami and he said,

533
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 1: we all tried to hide the past, so the props

534
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 1: team didn't.

535
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:40,119
Speaker 2: Know they were naughty boys. They were, so we were

536
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 2: doing all their DIA and we were all staying in

537
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 2: the same accommodation on the Gold Coast, and I was

538
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 2: told by one of the producers keep an eye on them.

539
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 1: I'm like he had a brit there was a big

540
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:52,880
Speaker 1: breath who was in the car.

541
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Speaker 2: Outside of my job description, but of course I'm in

542
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 2: for it all. And I remember them saying, look, they're here,

543
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,959
Speaker 2: They're in Australia. They've never been here before. They're going

544
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 2: to be tempted to go out. They're going to be

545
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 2: tempted to go and eat, to drink. Keep an eye

546
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,360
Speaker 2: on them. So part of my job, apart from preparing

547
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 2: food and delivering it to set and working out their

548
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:19,640
Speaker 2: workout regimes and training them, was keeping an eye, texting

549
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 2: them and saying what are you doing? Are you in

550
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 2: your room? You haven't gone anywhere, You're not out, and

551
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 2: just keeping them in locked down almost so to speak.

552
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 1: And how on earth did you do a diet that

553
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:31,160
Speaker 1: helped them get so lean?

554
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 2: So not only was it low calorie, but it was

555
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 2: just making sure it was really low refined sugars and

556
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 2: low carb all right, So not only did the calories

557
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 2: actually have to be low, and then supplementing the lack

558
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 2: of calories with little kind of doses of higher fat

559
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,439
Speaker 2: things like mecadamia nuts to keep them feeling full of longer,

560
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 2: avocado to keep them feeling full of for longer. But

561
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 2: was nutrient dense extra virgin olive oil. Very strategically and

562
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 2: it was like a fine balance because you need them

563
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 2: to be solow on their cows, but enough sustenance to

564
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 2: keep them through. And you know what calories are in

565
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 2: things like avocado, academia in facts, their high calories if

566
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 2: you want to give them enough of that stuff for

567
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:17,160
Speaker 2: brain their mind or lose their marbles. And berries played

568
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,479
Speaker 2: a huge role because they're low fructos, so they were

569
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 2: really good stuff. They were really struggling. They'd get like

570
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 2: a punet of blueberriese or something like that just to

571
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 2: like slowly.

572
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,360
Speaker 1: Eat one cause they got so lean and they had

573
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Speaker 1: to for now.

574
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,199
Speaker 2: I would feel really bad because I would prepare all

575
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,440
Speaker 2: the food in my room and i'd like divvy it

576
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 2: up into tupperware containers and take it to their rooms,

577
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:38,640
Speaker 2: knock on the door and deliver it and make sure

578
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 2: they're eating it, or take it to the set into

579
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 2: their trailers. And then I would go home and I'd

580
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 2: make lucks back treats and raw cheesecakes and they little

581
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,640
Speaker 2: did they know how I was eating behind the scenes.

582
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 1: But you had to be on to but you're in

583
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:59,120
Speaker 1: a way kind of like looking after them physically mentally.

584
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:03,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was kind of found it really hard. At first,

585
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 2: it was glamorous. It was really cool to be part

586
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 2: of the production and doing food. But I actually realized

587
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 2: I was a cog in a big set of wheels

588
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 2: on a huge Hollywood studio movie. And I would be

589
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 2: saying at home making my lunch and they'd say, actually, no,

590
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 2: put whatever you're doing down, get back to the studio.

591
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 2: One of them want some blue boots, oh you know.

592
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 2: And I was like, it's hard. I thought there was

593
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 2: no structure, there was no routine. It was a real

594
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,199
Speaker 2: boot camp for different style of work. Because I've just

595
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,360
Speaker 2: walked off MKR and walked into that, and I was like, what.

596
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: A great experience, like a life experience.

597
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, amazing, And I could see myself down the track

598
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,919
Speaker 2: doing something similar, or doing private chefing or something.

599
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 1: Like I've heard you say that. Yeah, yeah, definitely, oh cool,

600
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 1: this is so cool. Okay, So when so you started

601
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 1: writing books off the back of MKR because you guys

602
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:58,400
Speaker 1: were writing together for a little while, and then then

603
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 1: I was with Pamac forrages. You're with Pam mckham, Plum,

604
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 1: you're still with Pam mack and Plumber. Yeah, so nice.

605
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 1: I love those guys and sweet souls.

606
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 2: I did six books with Scotty with Hashet and they

607
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 2: were fantastic. They were in the Clean Living series, so

608
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,120
Speaker 2: they were kind of like food and fitness books, which

609
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 2: were fantastic. They came out straight after m k R,

610
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 2: and then there was a point where Scotty and I

611
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 2: were like, hey, I feel like our careers are different.

612
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 1: Well, you're a very different human being from people.

613
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we want to bring out different books.

614
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 2: What I love about Scott's food philosophy is it's very primal.

615
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 2: There's a lot of big slow cooked cuts of meat,

616
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 2: wroth and all that, and I'm like a dessert queen,

617
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 2: yeah you know what I mean. And he's been at

618
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 2: all like he would be like heinz another jam Tart

619
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 2: and I'm like, listen, gome on, bear with me. So

620
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 2: we kind of creatively said let's do our own things.

621
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 2: So Scotty kept publishing with Hashe and then I moved

622
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 2: over to panmac Pete actually introduced me to Mary yeah

623
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 2: and which was amazing, and that turned my I know,

624
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 2: we love you, Mary, and that turned my career around

625
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 2: as well, because you would know you've been with two

626
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 2: publishers now, you would know that sometimes fresh eyes can

627
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 2: be a real help. So even though my relationship with

628
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 2: hash it was insane and really beautiful, going to panmac

629
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 2: plum just had different people looking at who I am

630
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 2: as an author and what I'm trying to tell with food.

631
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: I also think we change as humans. Like for me,

632
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 1: my new book is personal development and memoir. Now that's

633
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 1: not a Plumb style book that sits beautifully in a

634
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 1: firm you know, which is my also Melbourne Publishers. But

635
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: I think it's also about like you, growing as a

636
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 1: human and finding It's very I think finding the right

637
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 1: publisher is like a relationship.

638
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. And if I've ever felt stuck or at

639
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 2: a wall, I could call anyone at Plumb and say, hey,

640
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 2: I've got rid as block, or hey what do you

641
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 2: think about this direction? Oh yeah, and they'll say it

642
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 2: how it is in the most beautiful way, and then

643
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 2: when the book comes out, you'll just want to hug

644
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 2: because you've created this beautiful baby that each and every

645
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 2: one of you are proud of. So whenever they call,

646
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 2: I'm like, used, please.

647
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 1: I know, I know I used to be the exact

648
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 1: same with that was such a beautiful call. I don't

649
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: want to push so good. So, Okay, I've heard you

650
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 1: talk about this, but I think it's really interesting for

651
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Speaker 1: the listener. And I get asked this question a lot

652
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: as an author too. But like from signing of contract yep,

653
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: to holding and you baby. Yeah, so you've got a

654
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 1: baby coming out on the thirtieth of November.

655
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, so twelve months you signed the contract to the

656
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 2: day it comes out in shelves is twelve months. And

657
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 2: you write as you would know. You test, then you photograph,

658
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 2: then you put it all in those beautiful pages, then

659
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 2: you proofread until you're again.

660
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: I used to proof read like fifteen times.

661
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 2: I know you're paranoid that it's going to say a

662
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 2: tablespoon of salt instead of a tea screen? Did I did?

663
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 2: I'm never going to get Yeah, I can't even cope.

664
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Speaker 2: I think there's some editions out there that's still say

665
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 2: for a salt and pepper squid.

666
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 1: Do you know my first book, I did this like

667
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 1: granola recipe with so it was like granola with rhubarb,

668
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: and I left the rubub out of the whole recipe.

669
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: It's people like the Granola's great, but where's the room.

670
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 2: It's in the only place it is is in the title.

671
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 1: Correct, correct, So we've all done that. Yeah, but yeah,

672
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 1: I just it's just nice hearing, like obviously, I haven't

673
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 1: written a food book for so long. It's been three

674
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 1: years since I've written a food book. But yeah, it's

675
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 1: a big and even when your aunt you were just

676
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: saying you had to go to Sydney to do some

677
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 1: of the shoot, and it's like a big team.

678
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 2: It's not just a lot of people go how do

679
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 2: you shoot it all? It's like trust me, smoke and

680
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 2: Mirror's baby Baby. If you want it to look that

681
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 2: good for a book, you get the best in the biz.

682
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 2: And that includes home x so two cooks that are

683
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 2: cooking your food with you. And then you've got an

684
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 2: incredible stylist who actually turns what you've written into something

685
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 2: for photographable. Yeah, and then you've got a photographer who

686
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 2: captures it in the best possible light and angle and

687
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 2: everything so it's really collaborative, like you are all hands

688
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 2: on deck. But it's not like when the book comes

689
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 2: out and it's like, you know, get free snacks by

690
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 2: Luke Heines. It's not really by Luke Heines. It's by

691
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 2: all of us. Oh you know what I mean. Should

692
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 2: be every everyone's name is in it. But I think

693
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 2: more people need to know actually what goes into a

694
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 2: book and how it comes about totally.

695
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 1: So that thank you for sharing that, because I just

696
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: think it's so interesting. It's not like, oh, I'm going

697
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: to write a book this week, it'll be out next week.

698
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: You know, like there's a big it's a machine. And

699
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 1: I also think like when you're writing, you almost put

700
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 1: all other elements of your life kind of on hold.

701
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: You're in this like writing line.

702
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, writing mode and testing mode, but also when it

703
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 2: comes out mode, because you are your best advocate for

704
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 2: what you're bringing out and you've just come back from

705
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 2: LA to make sure that you give your baby the

706
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 2: best possible chance to fly. I'm the same I block

707
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 2: out that month and a half two months straight after

708
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 2: release totally to be creating video content Facebook Lives touring

709
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 2: event because without you there, people can't see how important

710
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 2: it is to you or what you've got to share.

711
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 1: Totally, I completely completely agree with you now. I put

712
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 1: a call out on the on Insta the other day

713
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,239
Speaker 1: and people said, what do they want to see more

714
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: of or hear more of in the podcast, and so

715
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: many people like somebody that's an expert in paleo and keito,

716
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, well, someone's already both, So

717
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 1: I know, I know you've kind of loosened the reins

718
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 1: on the way that you know you necessarily can eat

719
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 1: now even though you're are you in the middle of

720
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Speaker 1: a ten week plan right now?

721
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, so little bit of context for people. The reason

722
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 2: I'm on a ten to twelve week plan is because

723
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 2: COVID and the combination of giving myself a break after

724
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 2: fifteen years of almost like punishing myself to look and

725
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 2: feel a certain way, I just had to stop. I

726
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 2: needed to stop. For ten to fifteen years, I truly

727
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 2: convinced myself of what I thought I had to look

728
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 2: like to be someone in health and fitness in the

729
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 2: public eye. I thought it had to be ripped and

730
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 2: shredded all the time. I thought to perfect looking to

731
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 2: be taken seriously in health and fitness or food or

732
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 2: healthy food, and I burnt out. So the start of COVID,

733
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 2: I said, you know what, I'm going to take two

734
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 2: months off. I'm going to eat what I want, how

735
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 2: much I want, whenever I want delicious. Anyway, I timed

736
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 2: that with the start of COVID, and it became addictive.

737
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 2: So I spent the last eighteen months eating myself silly.

738
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 2: At the start of January twenty twenty, I was eighty

739
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 2: four kilos with a six pack. Mid this year, I

740
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,800
Speaker 2: was one hundred kilos with big tummy, big back, fat,

741
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 2: big roles on all parts of my torso, and I

742
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 2: hide it well because I'm six foot three. No one

743
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 2: would really know, right.

744
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 1: But see I'm seeing opposite you now and to me,

745
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: you look like the picture of health.

746
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 2: Well, I have lost eight ki l Yeah.

747
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 1: I have been following. I have also been following in

748
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 1: jet and look.

749
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 2: So to bring it back to your question, I'm on

750
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 2: a challenge because I want to reset what normal and

751
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 2: balance looks like for me. And the reason I've been

752
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 2: so candid sharing it online, Like if you'd asked me

753
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 2: two years ago if I would ever show my body

754
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,959
Speaker 2: with a fat role on Instagram I would have laughed

755
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 2: and said, it's highlight reel. Baby. I've recently started to

756
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,839
Speaker 2: show some pretty revealing photos of my body, and that's

757
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 2: for two reasons. One, I want to keep myself accountable

758
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 2: to everyone following this journey. But two, I'm so sick

759
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 2: to death of the fake Instagram world. And if I'm

760
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,439
Speaker 2: complaining about wanting to see a change and I want

761
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 2: to see people be more themselves and be all more authentic,

762
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,919
Speaker 2: be more authentic, then I've got to lead the way,

763
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 2: because there's no point me watching and going, oh, wish

764
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 2: people wouldn't be so fake or only show their highlight reels.

765
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,359
Speaker 2: I'm part of the problem if that's what I do

766
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 2: too totally.

767
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 1: So I can relate to you with like the expectation,

768
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: like if we get a big shoot for like for me,

769
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: I remember I had a big shoot for like women's health,

770
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: and I would like make all my meals in my

771
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 1: hotel room whenever I traveled. I wouldn't go out and

772
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 1: have a delicious meal with a friend. And I know

773
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 1: you're the same. I would have probably put myself in

774
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 1: the category of like a bit of orthorexia, would.

775
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 2: You, Yeah, exactly? Looking back, I reckon there was some

776
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 2: definite disordered eating choices. Yeah, and I love this conversation

777
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,760
Speaker 2: has come up because your podcast is obviously fearlessly failing.

778
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:09,720
Speaker 2: The day I chose to put my physique out there recently,

779
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 2: of what it got to and feeling quite ashamed of

780
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 2: how I looked physically, I felt like I'd failed as

781
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 2: someone who was a healthy cookbook author, who's someone who

782
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,839
Speaker 2: was working on TV and health and fitness, Like, how

783
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 2: can I who's supposed to be preaching this stuff look

784
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,879
Speaker 2: a certain way myself? And I was like, actually, we're

785
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 2: all human. We are all human. So even if some

786
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 2: people do look at this or judge me and think,

787
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 2: oh you're failing, Yeah you've failed, or we don't look

788
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 2: up to you as much, so be it. You actually

789
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 2: just got to put it out there and make people

790
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,439
Speaker 2: feel less alone. The day I put it out there,

791
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 2: the amount of DMS I got from guys, girls, even

792
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:47,359
Speaker 2: brands I work with, who said, thank fuck. They said,

793
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 2: this is a what social media needs more of. And

794
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 2: be good on you for just owning what you went

795
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 2: through and telling us how you're kind of finding your

796
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 2: balance back. Because there's nothing to be ashamed about if

797
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 2: you fall off the band wagon in anything. And I'm

798
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 2: not just talking about physicality. So we all fluctuate and wait, obviously,

799
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 2: and we all book our best or our worst at

800
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 2: different times. But even if say, for example, I lost

801
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,919
Speaker 2: my publishing career or I got fired from the TV show,

802
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 2: I do the new me feels like I want to

803
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 2: broadcast that, and I want to do it so that

804
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 2: people who lose something in their life know they're not alone,

805
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 2: because it's easy for them to look at you and I.

806
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 2: They see you in LA, they see me up on

807
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 2: the Gold Coast, they go wow, look at their photos.

808
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 2: It looks like they're so happy. You and I both

809
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 2: have shit times. You and I both have really you know,

810
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,879
Speaker 2: tough times that are challenging. If we can share them,

811
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:35,959
Speaker 2: and I know you do too, if we can share

812
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,280
Speaker 2: the lows, it is one step to other people feeling

813
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 2: less alone. And when people feel less alone, they know

814
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 2: that anything is possible.

815
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 1: And I think it's way more human, like it's just

816
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:53,879
Speaker 1: not like it's part so boring. Yeah, so so cool,

817
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: and so so thank you for sharing that. But I

818
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 1: loved when you did, because you do your Q and

819
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 1: A boxes about your plan, and I love someone said,

820
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 1: what's the day in the life. I wrote it down

821
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 1: and I was like, wow, this is delicious, But like

822
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: you're a bigin to like adding MCT and get your

823
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: coffee first thing, and then you'll have a pre you'll

824
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 1: eat something pre workout. Yeah, I will definitely, see I've

825
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 1: never done that. I always do posts. Yeah, and then

826
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 1: you'll eat something again. But I was like, this is

827
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:24,720
Speaker 1: quite a lot of food.

828
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:26,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a lot of food. I don't think you

829
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 2: can eat a lot of food and get the physique

830
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 2: that you want by utilizing that food for the right reason.

831
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 2: So we all know exercise requires energy, and if we

832
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 2: don't have enough energy beforehand, we're going to deplete our

833
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 2: muscles and we're not going to perform to our best.

834
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 2: And if we don't have food afterwards, we're going to

835
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 2: become catabolic and we're going to eat into our muscle

836
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 2: tissue and not recover. So I can have things before

837
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 2: and after amazing, and then I taper out towards the

838
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 2: end of the day when I don't need as much energy,

839
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 2: So I really front load my day. I have all

840
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 2: those beautiful in the morning ye and then later in

841
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 2: the day beautiful salads and lean proteins and healthy fats,

842
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 2: and I go to bed feeling really light and lovely.

843
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 1: And I've heard you talk about the importance of sleep

844
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 1: as well. I mean, you're preaching to the choir, but

845
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 1: do you go to bed quite early? Is that right?

846
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 2: Thirty?

847
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: And that's screens?

848
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,359
Speaker 2: Screen off screens are I recently did a week off

849
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 2: screens altogether. I went to a retreat and I had

850
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 2: no internet reception, no Wi Fi, no access to my emails,

851
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:25,879
Speaker 2: nothing for an entire week, and the first few days

852
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 2: of panicking because I was so addicted to my devices.

853
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 2: And then by the end of the week, once I

854
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,760
Speaker 2: came home, I could really implement a no device strategy

855
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:34,839
Speaker 2: in bed. And I know we'll talk about it and

856
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,240
Speaker 2: never really probably do it and have a quick, sneaky

857
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,839
Speaker 2: swipe yeah before we go to bed, but now I don't.

858
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:41,800
Speaker 2: It's changed everything. I sleep so much better.

859
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: Oh wow, so cool. So would you say for people

860
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:47,479
Speaker 1: that are listening, just because I haven't had a health

861
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: expert on for so long, I go right down. I'm

862
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: sure you can imagine. After the conversation has had, I

863
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: really get into the creatives and actors and comedia, I'm

864
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: like and so thank you for sharing so much of

865
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 1: that bat being on a set stuff. But I think, like,

866
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 1: just to really, I guess i'd love to hear your

867
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 1: health loss. And I know you're all about this stuff

868
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 1: that makes you feel joyful and whatnot, But what about

869
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 1: people listening that are watching your journey right now that

870
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 1: also like, Hey, yeah, I've felt like COVID hasn't made

871
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 1: me feel good about my body either, and I've eaten

872
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: a few more treats than usual. Kind of thing, like

873
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: what is your philosophy for feeling your best?

874
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 2: Something I've been loving at the moment is some of

875
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 2: the messaging in James Clear's book Atomic Habits. Okay, so

876
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 2: I really recommend it to you and your listeners. Okay,

877
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 2: it comes as an audiobook as well, Atomic Habits, And

878
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 2: basically his methodology is about one percent better every day,

879
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,399
Speaker 2: which isn't hard to achieve if you just look at

880
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:48,240
Speaker 2: being one percent better with your food today, one percent

881
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,800
Speaker 2: better with your exercise. That adds up. Imagine what a

882
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 2: year looks like when you're doing that. So I'm not

883
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 2: doing anything drastic at the moment with my food and

884
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 2: my kind of mindset. I'm just looking at something and

885
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 2: I might go and be one percent better with that today,

886
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 2: and then that adds up each and every day, and

887
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 2: then you look back at the end of the year

888
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 2: and you go, holy hell, look what I actually achieved

889
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,320
Speaker 2: in that timeframe. And the other thing I want to

890
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 2: say is that there is there is no magic fix.

891
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 2: No one's coming to save us. If you really want

892
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 2: something enough, you'll make it happen, and you'll work for it,

893
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 2: and you'll get off your ass. I've got an online program,

894
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 2: and I get a lot of emails about hey, how

895
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 2: do I get started or what do I do? And

896
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 2: I feel like sometimes it's saying really blunt. If you

897
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 2: don't want this enough, it actually won't happen for you. You

898
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 2: need to want something enough to really change it. Because

899
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 2: you've got when you wake up in the morning, no

900
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 2: one's going to push you out of bed and put

901
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 2: your runners on. No one's going to cook you a

902
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 2: smoothie or make you, you know, a healthy breakfast. And

903
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 2: dating the boss, yeah, let's you do a bus So

904
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:46,959
Speaker 2: but can I.

905
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,359
Speaker 1: Say though, I love tough love, so I resonate really well,

906
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 1: and I said this too. I say, it's a lot

907
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 1: to boss, and I'm like, why I say, why do

908
00:41:55,640 --> 00:42:00,800
Speaker 1: I feel so connected to males when it's like motive stuff?

909
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 1: So any I like, go down the Gary VPA. I

910
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: really resonate with males in that, And I like, I

911
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 1: really enjoy tough love and I'm tough love too, like

912
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't have much for a filter. But yeah,

913
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 1: I thank you for saying like you do need someone.

914
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 1: A friend of mine said to me had a really

915
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: successful cupcake company in Melbourne, vegan gluten free one a

916
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 1: very good and I said to him, oh my goodness,

917
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 1: he just OpEd his second store and I was like, congratulations,

918
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 1: doing so well. And he said, nobody is going to

919
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:32,919
Speaker 1: hand you what you need on a silver platter. It's

920
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 1: all you.

921
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 2: So you are an actress and a TV presenter, right

922
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 2: m hm, Who's going to make that happen for you?

923
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,359
Speaker 1: This is what my nutrition teacher said to me first

924
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: year UNI. You are the only person that can get

925
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: you to where you want to go, and you are

926
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 1: the only person who can.

927
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 2: Stop you in the past. Can I ask you, have

928
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 2: you ever thought to yourself before you went to la

929
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 2: are My manager will get me a gig, or someone

930
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 2: will see me on a casting role, and they will

931
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 2: approach me. Sometimes in our mind think, oh we'll be seen,

932
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 2: someone will find us, and we go into this headspace

933
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 2: and maybe we'll be discovered. Ah God, you know what

934
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 2: I mean. And now I reckon the version I see

935
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 2: of you online and through your stories is I'm not

936
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 2: going to wait for someone to see me. I love

937
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 2: my manager, but it's not just their job to look

938
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 2: after me. They're looking after other people. So you know what,

939
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 2: I got to be my own driving force. So you

940
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 2: know what I'm going to go. I'm going to go

941
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:26,359
Speaker 2: to LA I'm going to go to acting school. I'm

942
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:27,879
Speaker 2: going to train up. I'm going to meet as many

943
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 2: people as I can. That to me is someone doing

944
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 2: something about it rather than sitting at home. So if

945
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 2: I compare myself to some of the other contestants in

946
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 2: my year of MKR, two ways you can come out

947
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 2: of a reality show. One is I can't wait for

948
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 2: the phone to ring, so many opportunities are going to

949
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 2: come my way. Or two, I'm going to make so

950
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 2: many phone calls today and see what opportunities can come

951
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 2: my way. I did that, Yeah, phone calls, phone calls.

952
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 1: What's your star site, Taurus?

953
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 2: Are you so stubborn, I know what I want.

954
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 1: I'm Vigo, so both their.

955
00:43:57,800 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 2: Sign yes, we know what we want.

956
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:01,320
Speaker 1: What is this meant to be the best lovers? Do

957
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 1: you know that?

958
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:02,360
Speaker 2: Hello? No?

959
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 1: Serious?

960
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 2: Yeah?

961
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but also very grounded and earthy and.

962
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 2: We are stubborn with what we want though. So if

963
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 2: you set your mind to something, you really want it

964
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,760
Speaker 2: like you really want it, and if you want it enough,

965
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 2: you will lift everything possible out of your way to

966
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,919
Speaker 2: be a roadblock. Now, I've been guilty of sometimes thinking, oh,

967
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 2: you know, I've got a few books out there, I'm

968
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,399
Speaker 2: currently employed on TV. I'm sure other shows will call

969
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 2: or they might see me, and opportunities will come up.

970
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 1: Because it's a small industry in Australia, so there's so

971
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 1: many pole just waiting to take a job.

972
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:40,720
Speaker 2: And knock and knock, and you'll get so many doors shut.

973
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 2: Like from a guy who was in musical theater and

974
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 2: shows and hosting, the amount of nos I've had in

975
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 2: my career, over and over of things I've thought i'd get,

976
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 2: and you just get that resilience in you go it's

977
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 2: another no, but there'll be a yes, there'll be a yes.

978
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 1: I love that you mentioned resilience, because I actually think

979
00:44:56,320 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 1: that's the key to success, because failure is inevitable. We're

980
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 1: going to fall flat on our face over and over.

981
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: Like when I was in LA I emailed twenty managers.

982
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: One responded and said I was aging out of the industry, right,

983
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: that's only I came back, No manager. That was one

984
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 1: of my big goals and so it sounds like a

985
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 1: huge failure, but it's kind of just given me more result.

986
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 2: Here's the thing, right, there would be some people who

987
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 2: that would happen to and they go, well that wasn't

988
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 2: for me.

989
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 1: Ah yeah, but not you No, go all.

990
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 2: Right cool, not those twenty. Yeah there's another twenty I

991
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 2: can try, and I'm going back in them. Yeah, and

992
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 2: I'll try them, knock on their door. I'll send them

993
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 2: a tape. Totally difference, I think with people who really

994
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 2: want to make a change, whether they want to lose weight,

995
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 2: eat better, have a different career, move to a different state.

996
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 2: And how many people sit at home. I love to

997
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 2: live in Queensland. We're not doing anything about it, are you.

998
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 1: Yes, it's not easy. I'll tell you what we' I

999
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 1: know you've moved around a bit, but like moving from

1000
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 1: you know, Victoria to Byron Bait in a lockdown, and

1001
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 1: then Byron Bay to La in a pandem. I was like,

1002
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:02,240
Speaker 1: this is full lie.

1003
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:05,439
Speaker 2: Most people, Lola would say to be hard at the moment,

1004
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:07,280
Speaker 2: to be hard, I might wait.

1005
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 1: But it is I will will Yeah, giving me a complimence,

1006
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:11,919
Speaker 1: not too hard.

1007
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 2: I want it enough.

1008
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 1: I have a really nerdy question to end on.

1009
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 2: Oh I like nerdy questions.

1010
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 1: If you love well, I'm I'm presuming if you loved it,

1011
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 1: you probably still do love it. If you loved Criminology.

1012
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 1: Have you seen the TV show mind Hunter?

1013
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 2: I haven't. Yeah, I haven't seen it. Oh my series.

1014
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 1: No.

1015
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 2: I am a bit of a TV fiend, but I

1016
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 2: haven't got into mind Hunter yet.

1017
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 1: Do you know the actor? And he's in musical theater

1018
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 1: as well, Jonathan Groff so gorgeous in Hamilton. Yes, yes, yes,

1019
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 1: very and amazing. He play. It's true story. It's based

1020
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: on FBI. The FBI agents that set up the Human

1021
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 1: Behavior Sector in the seventies and eighties, and they literally

1022
00:46:56,040 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: would do real life recorded interviews with huge serial killers

1023
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 1: and that's how they build up the Behavioral Unit of

1024
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 1: the FBI and put heaps of people away because they

1025
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 1: would have real conversations with like the co Ed Killer

1026
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 1: Charles Manson, like Bundy, yeah and something, figure out their

1027
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,839
Speaker 1: personality traits and were able to like And it turned

1028
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 1: out there was one person, the coed Killer that helped

1029
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 1: them and he was like, oh, they're going to go

1030
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 1: back to the scene of the crime because that makes

1031
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 1: me feel powerful whatever, And so they were able to

1032
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 1: understand the way psychopathing. Oh my god, you're going to

1033
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:32,760
Speaker 1: lose you You're.

1034
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 2: Going to lose my mind. I've got because I've been

1035
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 2: looking for a show. I've just finished about to finish

1036
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 2: all the murders in the building.

1037
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:38,799
Speaker 1: I don't know that.

1038
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,360
Speaker 2: Okay. So it's on Disney Plus and it's starring Steve

1039
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 2: Martin and Martin Short.

1040
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 1: Two have TV with Short ye Morning TV in Australia.

1041
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 2: So there you go. So if you appreciate their skill,

1042
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 2: their hell, it's at their best and it's a ten

1043
00:47:54,640 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 2: part series on Disney Plus. It's amazing to via a podcast.

1044
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 2: Oh wow, So a murder happens in their building and

1045
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 2: Steve Martin and Martin Short started get together and start

1046
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 2: a podcast to solve it.

1047
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:11,839
Speaker 1: No, great, isn't Selena Gomez in Machine. Yeah, okay, I'm

1048
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 1: going to put a trailer for it in this and

1049
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 1: mind Hunter. It's got nothing to do with us. I'm

1050
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 1: also going to put the pre ordering for your book,

1051
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 1: because I know that's so. Can you quickly give us

1052
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 1: a taste of guilt free snack talk to me about it.

1053
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 2: Gil Free Snacks. Your Home for Sweet and Savory treats

1054
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 2: and dessert. Yeah, I know I only posted, but there

1055
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 2: is savory. Mary made me put savory and there forced

1056
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 2: my hand. But it's basically your bible for snacks, breakfast,

1057
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 2: lunch and dinner and in between you've got snacks. The

1058
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:44,280
Speaker 2: chapters are things like roll it for the bliss balls,

1059
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 2: bake it for anything's baked, I.

1060
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 1: Saw it, Did you make a lemon tart? Did you

1061
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 1: put a lemon tart?

1062
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 2: Yeah? For and then indulge it for really like midnight treats,

1063
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 2: work it like pre and post workout snacks. There's some

1064
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 2: really cool chapters in there. There is a good fifty

1065
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 2: to fifty mix of sweet and savory, Got popcorn, chicken pizzas, tacos.

1066
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 1: Oh boss is going to lose his chip. He keeps

1067
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 1: going on what to make healthy chicken.

1068
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 2: And the good thing is anyone with an ellergen. It's

1069
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 2: gluten free, dairy free, and refined sugar free, and then

1070
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 2: there's a lot of plant based, nut free, low carb

1071
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 2: keto options, so it really ticks a whole lot of boxes.

1072
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 1: I've heard you see it like because you do. Yeah,

1073
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 1: I've seen it in all your recipes as well. Okay,

1074
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:26,840
Speaker 1: you've got to tell me your favorite sweet thing in

1075
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 1: the book.

1076
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 2: It is the lemon tart you call Luky's Lemon Tart,

1077
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 2: and it is just it's a beautiful lemon curd, a

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Speaker 2: low carb keto coconut crumb bas and it's easy, you know,

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Speaker 2: like you look at a lemon tart sometimes you know

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Speaker 2: it looks hard. So easy.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow. And for fans out there that want to

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Speaker 1: signed copy as it's going to sign socker and make

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Speaker 1: sure it's available.

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Speaker 2: Topia won't be signed, but there's some great pre order

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Speaker 2: specials there. Great my website Luke Hines ten that's one

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Speaker 2: zero so Luke Heines ten dot com. I'll put it

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Speaker 2: all in the show notes and they'll be signed. Sign

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Speaker 2: baby with a little tote bag and organ.

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Speaker 1: I saw in your toe bag. It's very nice, I know.

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Speaker 2: So you can go to the groceries and have my

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Speaker 2: name on your shoulder. I hope that's okay.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, my friend. I will put everything

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Speaker 1: in the show notes. It's been a total honor to

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Speaker 1: have you on the pod. I don't talked to you

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Speaker 1: all day.

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Speaker 2: I know we could.

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Speaker 1: I feel like it's a catch up. We didn't even

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Speaker 1: get to talk about your amazing pooches, which are next.

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Speaker 2: Look, I'm starting a pot eventually one day, and when

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Speaker 2: I do, you're on it, so we can continue and

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Speaker 2: pick up from there.

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Speaker 1: I cannot wait. Thank you, my friend.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: That's a wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing. As always,

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Speaker 1: thank you to our guests, and let's continue the conversation

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Speaker 1: on Instagram. I'm at Yumo Lollerberry. This potty my word

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Speaker 1: for podcast is available on all streaming platforms. I'd love

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Speaker 1: course spread the love.