1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,440 Speaker 1: One of the other issues which seems to be causing 2 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: some serious concern and confusion at the moment is when 3 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: it comes to fishing. We know that recreational and commercial 4 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: fishes were shocked over the weekend following a public notice 5 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: in the Northern Territory News which said that from twenty 6 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: twenty one, permits would be required to access indigenous into 7 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 1: tidal waters. 8 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:24,640 Speaker 2: Now joining us on the. 9 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: Line to talk more about the situation from AFAT is 10 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: the president of the Amateur Fishermen's Association, Warren Dewick. 11 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Warren. 12 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, good morning, Katie, Warren. 13 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 2: What is going on? Where is this situation at. 14 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:44,959 Speaker 3: It's very unclear at the moment where in the negotiations 15 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 3: or getting some information to us from the NLC and 16 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:50,840 Speaker 3: also from the Northern Churchy government to try and clarify 17 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 3: where we actually are with it. My understanding is that 18 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 3: Marion's made a couple of announcements saying that we don't 19 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 3: require a permit, And if Marion's saying that we don't 20 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 3: require a firmit that's okay by me. So at this 21 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 3: stage I would say people just staying back and wait 22 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 3: for a second or two until it gets a little 23 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 3: bit more information out to everybody so that we know 24 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 3: exactly where we're going. Yes, even started from the Northern 25 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:22,320 Speaker 3: Endcouncil putting that gazette in the paper declaring that people 26 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 3: need a permit as of the first of January, which 27 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 3: is not in a line with what we were told 28 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 3: was going to happen or what did happen after the 29 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 3: full council meeting. 30 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:33,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's and that sent everybody into a bit of 31 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 1: a spin wondering exactly what the go is now. As 32 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: you've just said, we understand as well that Marion Scrimjaw 33 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 1: from the Northern Land Council has spoken or I'm not 34 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 1: sure whether there's been an interview happened or whether there's 35 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: been a media statement sent through to the ABC, but 36 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: that there has been that discussion that permits won't be required. 37 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 1: But I guess at this stage Warrem we're all sort 38 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 1: of still a bit up in the air, aren't we. 39 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 3: I definitely, And it's very confusing the left hand and 40 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 3: the right end not sort of understanding where they're going 41 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 3: at the moment. So hopefully the Northern Land Council can 42 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 3: get together and see what they need to do to 43 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 3: fix it if it is to be fixed, or make 44 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 3: it more clear to everybody prior to the first of January, 45 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 3: so that we know exactly what we're dealing with here 46 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 3: at the moment. And obviously, if Marian is correct in 47 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 3: what she's saying, the Northern Land Council will need to 48 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 3: issue another public notice in the paper because those notices 49 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 3: are a statutory with notice, which means they have to 50 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 3: have another notice for revoking that original information put out 51 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:42,359 Speaker 3: in the paper last Friday and Saturday. 52 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:45,079 Speaker 1: Sorry, yeah, Look, we've put in a call to see 53 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: if we can get somebody from the Northern Lane Council 54 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 1: on the show, whether it's Marian Scrimjaw or somebody else, 55 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 1: or whether we can at the very least get a 56 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 1: statement to try to really clarify this for our listeners. 57 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: I know that a lot of people who listen to 58 00:02:57,480 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: the show obviously get out on the water and fish 59 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 1: and from what I can gather, that notice that appeared 60 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:05,639 Speaker 1: on Friday sent everyone into a real spin. 61 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 3: Well it didn't send us in a real spin as well. 62 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 3: We didn't see this coming and we were on the 63 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 3: understanding that the access agreement was extended for another two 64 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 3: years and that everything was still as it was prior 65 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 3: to the full Council meeting, that everybody was okay to 66 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 3: go fishing intertidal waters overlying Aboriginal land. So we were 67 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 3: under that impression and then all of a sudden these 68 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 3: notices come out and sort of left us a little 69 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 3: bit confused about exactly what the Northern Land Council is 70 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 3: trying to achieve by doing this. I'm not sure why 71 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 3: they would do this and provoke recreational anglers and everyone 72 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 3: to confuse the hell out of us for a start, 73 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 3: But hopefully Marion can sort of get some clear air 74 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 3: to us so that we can see what's going on. 75 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, Warren, If indeed a permit is required from January 76 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: next year, a few weeks away, what would that mean 77 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: for fishing in the territory. 78 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 3: Well, it'll be chaos. I mean, I don't know whether 79 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 3: the Northern Land Council are organized yet to have a 80 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 3: permit system put in place. I think what the idea 81 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 3: was was to let everyone know that the red area 82 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 3: was the areas that hadn't been fully consulted with the 83 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 3: traditional owners from the Northern Land Council and until they 84 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 3: get those full consultations completed. Those red areas were not 85 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 3: areas that were allowed to go into without a permit, 86 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:33,840 Speaker 3: and I understand that the permit is not going to 87 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 3: be issued until those negotiations are completed. So we're still 88 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 3: totally confused even if we need a permit, because there's 89 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 3: two different stories being told to us about why we 90 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 3: need a permit if we do to go into those 91 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:52,159 Speaker 3: red areas and obviously the Yellow area. We managed to 92 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 3: get an extension from Marion till the first of March 93 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 3: for those Yellow areas, and then after the first of 94 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 3: March we are required according to the gazette to get 95 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 3: a permit for those areas. So it is very confusing 96 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 3: at the moment, and hopefully within a few days time 97 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 3: we'll be able to get some better information from the 98 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 3: Northern Land Council and from the Northern Territory Government to 99 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 3: be able to put out for the public. But at 100 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 3: the moment, I would say everything's still the same. I 101 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 3: would tell people not to panic. It's all going to 102 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:25,359 Speaker 3: be sorted out one way or the other with the 103 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 3: Northern Land Council and the Northern Territory Government and stakeholders 104 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 3: to try and make sure that we all get back 105 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 3: to the negotiating tables and that we can see a 106 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 3: clear view of what the Northern Land Council and traditional 107 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 3: owners would like in those areas. 108 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I'll tell you what, Larren. 109 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 1: I'm taking a look at a map right now, and 110 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:44,719 Speaker 1: those red areas, there's a lot of red area there. 111 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, there is a lot area there. That is the 112 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 3: area that they haven't finished the consultations with us yet, 113 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 3: so they're trying to finish them off as soon as 114 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 3: they can. So hopefully we'll have a better idea in 115 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 3: the coming weeks with those areas as well before hopefully 116 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:02,359 Speaker 3: before the first of March. 117 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 4: Yeah. 118 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 1: Well, look, Warren, I know that you know, even after 119 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 1: the discussion that we've had so far, there'll be a 120 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: lot of people still feeling a bit confused. What if 121 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 1: you could give our listeners one piece of advice, what 122 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 1: would it be. 123 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:18,840 Speaker 3: Carry on as usual? Marian said that there was those 124 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:24,840 Speaker 3: permits or the actual waiver is still in place until 125 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 3: we hear otherwise, I would say that nothing changed and 126 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 3: I would just allow things to happen as they are. 127 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 3: So if you were planning to go fishing after the 128 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 3: first of January, until we find out Otherwise I wouldn't 129 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 3: let it worry you too much. I would just sort 130 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 3: of wait and see what happens in the next couple 131 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 3: of days. 132 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: Why do you. 133 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 2: Reckon this notice has gone in the paper on the weekend. 134 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 3: I've got no idea. And I did try and find 135 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 3: that out from the Northern Land Council what the purpose 136 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:55,840 Speaker 3: of this was, and I think there's a little bit 137 00:06:55,839 --> 00:07:00,720 Speaker 3: of confusion about the reason for it because I don't 138 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 3: see anything there it's a gain from the Northern Land 139 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 3: Council doing this other than dividing territories. And that's the 140 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 3: last thing we want is the division between traditional owners 141 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 3: or owners of that Blue Mud Bay areas and the 142 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 3: rest of the Northern Territory population. So we're here to 143 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 3: work together. We want to get back to the table 144 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 3: and try and get these negotiations back on track. I'm 145 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 3: sure that's what Marion wants. I'm sure that's what Sammy Bush, 146 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 3: the President of the Northern Land Council wants as well. 147 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 3: So hopefully they can sit down with us and with 148 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 3: the Northern Territory Government in the coming days so that 149 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 3: we can get some idea of exactly where we're all 150 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 3: going to sit once this settles down a bit. 151 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 1: But Warren, have you had the opportunity to sit down 152 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: with the NLC at this point or have a conversation 153 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 1: with them at this point. 154 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 3: I've had a conversation with Sammy Bush the other day 155 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 3: when I first seen this come out, but he wasn't 156 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 3: aware of it. Also, I don't think he seemed to 157 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 3: be a little bit sidelinded by it as well, a 158 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 3: bit like what Marion was by the sound of it. 159 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 3: So I'm not sure whether the Northern Land Council needs 160 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 3: to clear this up. I means nothing that I can 161 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 3: say or do that's going to make it any clearer 162 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 3: to people. I mean, until the Northern Land Council comes 163 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 3: out and test everybody. This is where it is, this 164 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 3: is what's going to happen, and this is the situation 165 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 3: that when at the moment, then and only then we 166 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 3: know which direction to go in. 167 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 1: All right, Well, we will continue to put in those 168 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 1: calls to see if we can get somebody from the 169 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: Northern Land Council on or at the very least at 170 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: least have a statement that we're able to read out 171 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:34,199 Speaker 1: to let people know exactly what's happening. But in the meantime, 172 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 1: carry on as usual. 173 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 3: Well that's my Yeah, that's what I would do. I mean, 174 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 3: I don't see any reason why not to. I mean, 175 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 3: the Non Land Council of saying through Marion that the 176 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:49,439 Speaker 3: gazette is maybe incorrect. So hopefully there will be another 177 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 3: gazette put out rectifying that. Because our belief in the 178 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 3: Norn Terarity government belief was that the waiver was going 179 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 3: to be extended termit free access to those into tidal 180 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 3: waters and hill December twenty two. So let's hope that's 181 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 3: what's going to happen so that we can all get 182 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:06,559 Speaker 3: back to the negotiating totle. 183 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 2: I reckon. 184 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 1: Well, we're also due to catch up with the Minister 185 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:12,199 Speaker 1: after ten o'clock, so we'll see what else we can 186 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 1: find out. Warren, really good to talk to you, mate, 187 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:16,679 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for your time today. 188 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 3: All of us. 189 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 2: Baty, thank you. 190 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: That's Warren DeWitt there, who is the president of AFANT, 191 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 1: the Amateur Fishermen's Association of the Northern Territory. 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Are you're out targeting people who are 368 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 1: on the road who'd been drinking? 369 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:56,680 Speaker 2: How did it go? 370 00:18:57,680 --> 00:18:58,119 Speaker 5: Look, Katie? 371 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 6: We announced Opera Roland last Thursday, which is our Christmas 372 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 6: holiday road safety campaign. That's a territory wide campaign. But 373 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 6: in terms of Darwin, on Friday night, we had a 374 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:14,159 Speaker 6: number of significant random breath testing sites. We tested a 375 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:18,919 Speaker 6: total of seventeen hundred people for drink driving and fifty 376 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 6: one for drug driving. Sadly, there was a woman who's 377 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 6: been issued with a notice to appear for driving under 378 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 6: the influence of amphetamines, and there was fifteen people that 379 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:35,399 Speaker 6: tested positive for drink driving, So it's a bit sad. 380 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:36,439 Speaker 7: You know. 381 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:38,879 Speaker 6: We alerted the public that we were going to do it, 382 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:41,640 Speaker 6: and some people obviously just didn't listen. 383 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 1: I just don't understand why it's so hard for people 384 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: to not get behind the wheel after they've been drinking. 385 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 2: Were those readings high or how were they? 386 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 4: Look? 387 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 6: Most of them were actually quite low. It's, you know, 388 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 6: the people who had a few drinks after work type scenario. 389 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 5: But there was one person that was. 390 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:01,399 Speaker 6: Arrested with a reading of point two zero. Wow, So 391 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 6: that's ridiculous. That's ridiculously high. And you know, I think 392 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 6: we probably saved a significant crash on the night I reckon. 393 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 1: I mean, when you arrest somebody who's got such a 394 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 1: high reading, are they quite visibly intoxicated? 395 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 6: Look, it depends, KDI. It depends on the person's tolerance. 396 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 6: You know, people like yourself and myself, i'd probably be 397 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 6: unconscious at point to use it point two. You know, 398 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 6: the readings, you know up around the point three you 399 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 6: basically have to be a chronic alcoholic to reach that level. 400 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 2: It's quite unbelievable. 401 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: That's what I thought to myself. You know, I can't 402 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 1: I can't even imagine reading. 403 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 2: Being that high. 404 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 6: Yeah, and look, you know, I will say that nine 405 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:47,439 Speaker 6: of the readings were low range. That's low range has 406 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:50,680 Speaker 6: been between point zero five and point zero eight. And yeah, 407 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:52,400 Speaker 6: they are the people that just had one too many 408 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:56,879 Speaker 6: after after work and yeah, got caught. 409 00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:59,479 Speaker 1: And just that reminder really for those people, for all 410 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:01,919 Speaker 1: of us, because I guess that's certainly much easier to 411 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: do to have one too many. 412 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:05,639 Speaker 2: You know, I guess it's a good reminder. 413 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,399 Speaker 1: For us to either get a taxi, have a you 414 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:10,360 Speaker 1: have a sober ball or call, you know, get an uber. 415 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 5: Yeah. Absolutely. 416 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 6: And look, you know, nearly fifty percent of our fatal 417 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 6: crashes are. 418 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,879 Speaker 5: Caused by drink driving. It's a causal factor. 419 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 6: And I think you know, if if you seriously hurt 420 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 6: or killed one of your family members or another member 421 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 6: of the public whilst driving under the influence of alcohol 422 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 6: or drugs, it's going to ruin your life forever. And 423 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 6: you know, we've had thirty people die in our roads 424 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 6: this year, and Christmas, we know was a time of celebration, 425 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 6: and we just asked people to be sensible and don't 426 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:44,160 Speaker 6: drink and drive. 427 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 11: Yeah. 428 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 2: Absolutely. 429 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 1: Now we also know that Northern Territory Police had to 430 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 1: issue one driver a notice to appear and seized another 431 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:55,159 Speaker 1: driver's vehicle after a honing incident in the city on 432 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 1: the weekend. As I understand that police were conducting foot 433 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:02,400 Speaker 1: patrols on Kitchen, a drive hold and commodore was observed 434 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 1: honing before losing. 435 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:05,160 Speaker 2: Control, crashing into the curb. 436 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 1: As police approached, the driver attempted to take off before 437 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 1: reversing into one of the officers. 438 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 2: Is that officer, okay. 439 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 6: Yeah, the officer is Okay, he's got bruising, fairly substantial 440 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 6: bruising to his leg. You know, this is just a 441 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 6: honing incident by young people that were being. 442 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 5: Idiots, and. 443 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 6: Yeah, it hurt somebody in the process and now they're 444 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:30,880 Speaker 6: going to have to suffer the consequences. 445 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 2: I'll tell you. 446 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:34,399 Speaker 1: What's so lucky that that police officer is actually okay 447 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 1: with something like that happening, isn't it. 448 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 7: Yeah? 449 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 6: Absolutely, I think he's in good spirits. You know, he 450 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,719 Speaker 6: obviously going to be a bit sore for a day 451 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 6: or two. But you know, sometimes the difference between not 452 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:51,160 Speaker 6: crashing and having a fatal crash can be millimeters or milliseconds, 453 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 6: so very very important to bear that. 454 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 5: In mind on our roads. 455 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:54,919 Speaker 2: Yeah. 456 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 1: Absolutely, Now, Commander, we know that the crime stats were 457 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 1: released late on Friday, and by the look of things, 458 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 1: I've had a bit of a look through Darwin, both 459 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,439 Speaker 1: Darwin and Palmerston, and we know that Palmerston includes the 460 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:09,639 Speaker 1: Greater Darwin region or. 461 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 2: The rural area. 462 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:14,160 Speaker 1: It does seem as though things like house breakings, commercial 463 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 1: break ins, and motor vehicle theft are on the decline. Unfortunately, 464 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 1: we've had quite big increases in things like alcohol related 465 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:25,439 Speaker 1: assault and domestic violence. I mean, do you think I 466 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 1: guess statistics are always a bit difficult because there are 467 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 1: a snapshot in time. But is that your sense on 468 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 1: the ground at the moment. Are things sort of starting 469 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 1: to quieten down a little bit when you talk about 470 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:37,120 Speaker 1: those home break ins and that, or is it not 471 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 1: really the case? 472 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:42,439 Speaker 6: Look, Katie, these statistics are twelve months, a snapshot of 473 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 6: twelve months compared to the previous twelve months, and you know, 474 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 6: sometimes really it more depends on what happened eighteen months 475 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:54,400 Speaker 6: ago than what happened today. So but having said that, 476 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 6: we've had we had a good run of six months 477 00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,880 Speaker 6: of very very record. 478 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 5: Low crime rates. 479 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 2: That was during COVID. 480 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 6: It was that was during COVID. But you know, year 481 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 6: on a year it's down. But in terms of the 482 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 6: here and now, there has been some spikes and with 483 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 6: you know, our Springs is probably the most notable one, 484 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 6: but you know, there was a spike in the rural 485 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 6: area for a short period of time and Coroama and Malac. 486 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 6: I've obviously got a lot of attention of late. But 487 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:27,879 Speaker 6: you know, statistically crime is down. Some people will say, oh, yeah, whatever, 488 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 6: but you know, the fear of crime and the perceptions 489 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,639 Speaker 6: of crime are really important as well as you'd appreciate. 490 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,639 Speaker 5: So you know, we we probably need to do some 491 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:39,639 Speaker 5: more work in that space. 492 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, when you talk about the rural area and Karama 493 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 1: and Malac, how are things going? I know that there 494 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,639 Speaker 1: was that public meeting obviously in Karama and Malak. 495 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,640 Speaker 2: How are things going with those areas? 496 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 6: Yeah, Look, Carrama and Malac, in terms of house breakings, 497 00:24:55,600 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 6: they weren't that you know, any any crime is but 498 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 6: house breakings weren't as high as people thought. What was 499 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 6: most noticeable was the smashing of indiscriminate smashing of windows, 500 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 6: you know, property damage, and it was you know, if 501 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 6: you're a victim, you don't want to hear this, but 502 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:25,920 Speaker 6: it was nuisance crime of predominantly children doing stupid things. 503 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:28,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, how do you sort of stop that? 504 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,400 Speaker 1: Because I know it's so hard for people that live 505 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,879 Speaker 1: in those areas. I know if I lived there and 506 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:34,399 Speaker 1: I was worried that my home was going to be 507 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 1: the windows smashed or whatever. It's hard if you're at 508 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:39,679 Speaker 1: home with little kids, and while it's nuisance crime, it 509 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:40,879 Speaker 1: feels really unsafe. 510 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 6: Yeah, and look, as I say, I don't mean to 511 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 6: downplay it in any way. If you're the victim of 512 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 6: that crime, it's not a nuisance, it's really bad. But yeah, 513 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,360 Speaker 6: we're working with territory families. We've obviously got our youth 514 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 6: operation that's going over the Christmas holiday period. Well it's 515 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 6: not just a youth crime operation, it's a youth engagement 516 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:04,119 Speaker 6: as well. Territory families have a big, big role to play. 517 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, last time you and I spoke, I know that 518 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,400 Speaker 1: you'd said that there were some nights where your officers 519 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,439 Speaker 1: were having to drop some people home, you know, several 520 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 1: times some of those young people home several times in 521 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 1: a night. 522 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 2: Has that improved much? 523 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 6: Look, I think it has, But for some of the 524 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:23,920 Speaker 6: more encourageable kids, it was a bit of a game 525 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 6: where you know, you go home and you jump the 526 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 6: back fence just as the police leave, and so yeah, 527 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 6: it is a bit of a game. But again it's 528 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,439 Speaker 6: about reassuring the community that not every child that you 529 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,200 Speaker 6: see on the street is a criminal. 530 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 5: You know, some of them are committing dumb crimes, stupid crimes. 531 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,119 Speaker 6: But you know, if your children are walking down the street, 532 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 6: you don't want people looking at them thinking that they're criminals. 533 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 5: So it's not always the case. 534 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 6: Well, you know, Carima and Malac, there's a lot of 535 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:02,199 Speaker 6: young people living in those subs and we engage with 536 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 6: them as best we can. 537 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, Matt, can I just ask very quickly just back 538 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,680 Speaker 1: to those crime stats because I know that domestic violence 539 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 1: is something that there has been an operation that's been 540 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:16,119 Speaker 1: launched in recent days from the crime stats, and I 541 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 1: know that, like we said, it is a bit of 542 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 1: a snapshot in time, but there does seem to be 543 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:23,360 Speaker 1: a real increase in that domestic violence. Is that sort 544 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 1: of I mean, does that relate to that COVID lockdown 545 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 1: as well? 546 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:27,119 Speaker 2: Do you think? 547 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:29,160 Speaker 5: Look, I think it does in part. 548 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:33,880 Speaker 6: But you know, the awareness of domestic violence is you know, 549 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 6: we do a lot of work in terms of advertising 550 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,919 Speaker 6: that domestic violence is not on. So it might be that, 551 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 6: you know, there might be a more reporting, which is 552 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 6: a positive. But having said that, domestic violence reports are 553 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,440 Speaker 6: going up, that's really really sad and I don't really 554 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,399 Speaker 6: think it gets enough airtime in terms of you know, 555 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 6: people are solding their own family member, which is which 556 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 6: is pretty sad. 557 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 2: Really it is. It's terrible. 558 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 1: It's a terrible situation, and it seems to be something 559 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,359 Speaker 1: that we've got a real issue within the territory. I 560 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 1: know how police are certainly trying to focus on it. 561 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,639 Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely, And look, Christmas is a time for family, 562 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,360 Speaker 6: but it can also be a stressful time for families 563 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 6: that aren't doing well or they're struggling, whether it's financially 564 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 6: or or for other reasons. So it can exacerbate family issues. 565 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 6: But we you know, we ask it to be a 566 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 6: happy time and a good time for families. And you know, 567 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 6: if you get worked up, just take a walk. It's 568 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 6: you know, assaulting is assaulting a family member is never 569 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 6: on It's never It's never acceptable. 570 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 1: No, absolutely, well, Commander Matt Hollumby, we are going to 571 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 1: have to leave it there. Thank you very much for 572 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 1: your time this morning. All the best, hope you have 573 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 1: a lovely Christmas and to all your team as well. 574 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 6: Always a pleasure, Katie, and have a merry Christmas to 575 00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 6: you and to all of your. 576 00:28:59,120 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 5: Listeners as well. 577 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, thank you. We'll talk to you again in 578 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 2: the new. 579 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 5: Year, all right, have a good one 580 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 2: For you too.