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Speaker 1: time poor parent They just once answers.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: I know this podcast isn't about me, but this is

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Speaker 3: the most fun that I have on the Happy Family's podcast.

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Speaker 3: It's today, This Week in Parenting. Hang on, let me

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Speaker 3: do that properly, This Week in Parenting. I love what

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Speaker 3: JR does with that. I love how I suddenly sound

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Speaker 3: so much bigger. It's so much fun Kylie. I'm so

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Speaker 3: sorry you're not even saying anything. You're not even laughing

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Speaker 4: That's because you had my mic off.

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Speaker 3: More stories than normal today, some very serious, some less serious.

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Speaker 5: We always go over time on this one.

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Speaker 3: I'm on a mission, though, to hit absolutely everything, which

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Speaker 3: means too much content, not enough time. What we should do?

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's called This Week in Parenting, and we

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Speaker 4: Story number one. This has to be one of the

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Speaker 4: most polarizing stories that's come out of the Olympics. It's

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Speaker 4: just two words. Ray gun I was the Olympic breakdancer

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Speaker 5: Up against the world's best.

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Speaker 4: The thirty six year old opted for a more creative.

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Speaker 2: Tak Raygun didn't score a single point.

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Speaker 4: You have to ask was her performance that bad? Well,

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Speaker 3: I think she brought shame to both break dancing, herself

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Speaker 4: We decided that this was definitely something that parents and

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Speaker 5: World, across the ground, that's right.

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Speaker 4: Are talking about right now, and so we need to.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we put it on Facebook. Comments went absolutely nuts.

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Speaker 3: Now we didn't just say, oh what do you think

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Speaker 3: because technically that's not parenting news. This week in Parenting

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Speaker 3: on Facebook. From golden glory to some not so golden moments.

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Speaker 3: It's been a wild ride for Australia at these Olympics. Raygun,

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Speaker 3: these headline grabbing moments are pure gold for sparking meaningful

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Speaker 3: conversations with our kids. Let's use Raygun's story to dig

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Speaker 3: into values, dreams and what it really means to be

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Speaker 3: a winner.

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Speaker 4: But was ray Gun still a winner in some other way?

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Speaker 4: In the show notes, story number two, Nate Burne. He's

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Speaker 5: Unless you're watching ABC Breakfast TV.

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Speaker 1: I'm actually going to need to stop for a second.

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Speaker 1: Some of you may know that I occasionally get affected

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Speaker 4: I guess there's always got to be someone to complain.

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Speaker 3: So here's this guy. He's giving the kids a high five.

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Speaker 5: He's giving kids high fives for goodness sake.

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Speaker 4: He's volunteering his time now now.

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Speaker 5: Like just this total band sign the petition.

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Speaker 3: High five's are good. They boost morale, Kids get happy.

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Speaker 4: What do you think about Kids need to be seen,

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Speaker 3: So first off, as you said, Kylie, it's called a study,

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Speaker 4: It's just a study of one family.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, two girls trying some protocols. Second, methodologically weak, selectively

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Speaker 3: And third, autism doesn't quote unquote go away. Everything we

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Speaker 3: a good story. It's in this Week in Parenting to

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Speaker 5: No, no, no, no no, that's not how you do it.

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Speaker 3: It's this week in Parenting.

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Speaker 4: This Week in Parenting.

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Speaker 5: I don't know, JR. See what you can do with that.

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Speaker 4: Ossie kid's mental health is not good.

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Speaker 6: Professor Patrick mcgoury is a brilliant Australian. Today he released

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Speaker 3: Okay, this is a landmark study over five years led

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Speaker 4: Justin how do we compare with other countries.

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Speaker 3: Well, Based on this particular set of research, Australia is

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Speaker 4: These just such staggering numbers that we're talking about fifty percent,

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Speaker 3: Well three and six because we've got six daughters likely

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Speaker 3: for mental illness. We're spending about seven percent of our

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Speaker 3: just saying we're fundamentally, not just fundamentally, we're completely under

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Speaker 4: So what would you say are the major contributing factors

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Speaker 3: Zuckerberg and his ILK are responsible for more harm to

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Speaker 5: Lot more nature.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's a bit of a heavyweight to finish. Sorry,

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Speaker 4: this week and Parenting episode, I.

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Speaker 3: Said it was my favorite. I feel like I've had

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Speaker 5: But it is pretty heavy, isn't it.

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Speaker 4: Let's wrap it up here.

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Speaker 3: Need to promote mental health building activities in our families.

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Speaker 3: We need to recognize that individual responsibility is the way

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Speaker 4: I'm glad you took that breath.

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