1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:04,040 Speaker 1: Already and this is the Daily This is the Daily 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: ohs oh, now it makes sense. 3 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Thursday, 4 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 2: the twenty second of January. I'm Sam Kazlowski. 5 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:20,599 Speaker 3: I'm Lucy Tarsel. 6 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 2: Top tennis players at this year's Australian Open met over 7 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 2: the weekend to discuss pushing for better pay and conditions 8 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 2: at the tournament. The players say they deserve a bigger 9 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 2: slice of the revenue pie, but Tennis Australia says they're 10 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:38,159 Speaker 2: already paid a fair amount. On today's podcast, we're going 11 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 2: to take a deeper look at what's actually on off 12 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 2: and now, what the players actually want and why some 13 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 2: ex players are calling them greedy. 14 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:52,919 Speaker 1: Sam, at the center of this debate is something broader 15 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 1: than just what the. 16 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 3: Players actually receive. 17 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: I think it's important for us to understand the context 18 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: around how much money a big tennis tournament, a Grand 19 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:06,320 Speaker 1: Slam in the case of the Australian Open, can actually make. 20 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 3: So can you give us a sense of the scale. 21 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 2: So we know the Aussie Open is Australia's largest tennis tournament. 22 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 2: It's one of the four Grand Slams on that professional circuit. 23 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 2: That people work so hard to crack. More than a 24 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 2: million people attended last year's tournament in person and it's 25 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 2: shaping up to overtake that in twenty twenty six. Now, 26 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 2: of course, there's that money that Tennis Australia, which is 27 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 2: the peak body for tennis in the country, that Tennis 28 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 2: Australia would make from patrons watching the tennis at Melbourne Park. 29 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 2: But they also make a lot of money from the 30 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 2: TV rights, which nine pays about eighty five million dollars 31 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:45,040 Speaker 2: each year for Wow. Then there's the corporate sponsorships where 32 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 2: brands pay a lot of money for you to see 33 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 2: their logo on court and around the court when you're 34 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 2: watching it. And when you add all of that up, 35 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 2: it comes to about seven hundred million dollars. That's the 36 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 2: revenue that Tennis Australia said that they made last financial year. 37 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: And so that's from streaming rights, that's from running the 38 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 1: tournament of the Australian Open. 39 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 3: What else is it from? 40 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:09,639 Speaker 2: So this is the interesting point, right because a lot 41 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:12,920 Speaker 2: of people and players are included in this. Say that 42 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:15,919 Speaker 2: the seven hundred million is from the AUSSI Open. Tennis 43 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 2: Australia says actually one hundred and fifty million of that 44 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 2: isn't from the Aussie Open. It's from other events and 45 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 2: other activities that they do in the eleven and a 46 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 2: half other months of the year, so warm up events, 47 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:30,640 Speaker 2: the United Cup in Sydney, for example. And that's a 48 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 2: really important detail as we get into this discussion about 49 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:34,639 Speaker 2: player payments. 50 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, because so my understanding is that players don't 51 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: get a salary per se. They're not working a regular job. 52 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: So how do they get paid and is it through 53 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: things like prize money? 54 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 2: It's the majority is through prize money. They're also making 55 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 2: a lot of money off the court in terms of sponsorships. 56 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 2: We're going to kind of park that part of their 57 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 2: economy to one side and focus on the prize money 58 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:02,359 Speaker 2: bit ok and Ago. Tennis Australia announced that the total 59 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:05,359 Speaker 2: prize pool for the twenty twenty six Aussie Open would 60 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 2: be one hundred and eleven point five million Aussie dollars. 61 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 2: That's up sixteen percent from last year, and both the 62 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 2: men's and women's single winners will earn four point two 63 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 2: million bucks each. That's a nineteen percent increase on last year. 64 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 2: And even if you get knocked out in the first 65 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 2: round of the main event, you still take home about 66 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty thousand Aussie dollars. 67 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 3: Wow. 68 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 2: And so if you look at that prize pool as 69 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 2: a percentage of Tennis Australia's total revenue, yeah, it's about 70 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 2: sixteen percent. If you look at it as a percentage 71 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 2: of what Tennis Australia says is just made at the 72 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 2: Aussie Open, it goes to about twenty percent. 73 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: Okay, So the prize money has gone up significantly. And 74 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: when you look at it as a percentage of everything 75 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: that the Australian Open makes, not even profits, right, just revenue. Yeah, 76 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 1: it's about a fifth of the tournament's money. 77 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 3: So why are players unhappy? 78 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 2: Well, they say it's not enough, and the players want 79 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 2: all Grand Slams to lift their total prize pool to 80 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 2: twenty two percent of each tournament's revenue by twenty thirty. 81 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 2: And essentially they don't believe that Tennis Australia makes one 82 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 2: hundred and fifty million dollars outside the Aussie Open. So 83 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 2: what they're arguing is that the Aussie Open's current prize 84 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:20,280 Speaker 2: pool is only sixteen percent. They want twenty two percent 85 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:23,479 Speaker 2: and that's the gap that's currently in dispute, and so 86 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 2: two time Grand Slam champion Coco Goff said last week 87 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 2: that the increase in prize money this year is welcome, 88 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 2: but as a percentage of the revenue, it's not where 89 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:35,600 Speaker 2: we would like it. And she's just one of a 90 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 2: really star studded group of players calling for this increase 91 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 2: in pay and some better conditions. It includes Alex Demenor, 92 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 2: the Australian player last year's Australian Open winners, Madison Keys 93 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 2: and Yannick Sinner are also involved. 94 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:51,720 Speaker 1: Are these players making their case as a group or 95 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: as individuals. 96 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 2: So they've formed a kind of union. It's called the 97 00:04:55,880 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 2: Professional Tennis Players Association or the PTPA. It's been the 98 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 2: charge in these discussions. It was co founded by Novak Djokovic, 99 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:05,679 Speaker 2: you might have heard of him and Canadian tennis player 100 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:10,160 Speaker 2: Vasek Pospisil. The interesting thing about the PTPA, by the way, 101 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 2: is that Novak Djokovic has actually now left the union 102 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 2: that he established due to what he says is quote, 103 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:19,839 Speaker 2: a lack of transparency and governance and the misuse of 104 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 2: his image and name in promoting the organization. So a 105 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 2: whole nother podcast episode on the Players Union there but 106 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 2: in any case, the PTPA launched a lawsuit against the 107 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:34,799 Speaker 2: sports governing bodies last March, and in this they basically 108 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 2: said that the four Grand Slams all got together to 109 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:40,840 Speaker 2: make sure not to increase the total prize money across 110 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:43,159 Speaker 2: the board and do so in a way that all 111 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 2: four Grand Slams were happy with, but the players weren't. 112 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 2: And what happened from there is that Tennis Australia actually 113 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 2: said to the Players Association, we want to settle with you, 114 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 2: so we're going to pay you an amount of money. 115 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 2: We get to say that we haven't done anything wrong 116 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:58,840 Speaker 2: and you get a bit more cash from that. Now 117 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 2: that's actually on going, so they've agreed to settle. How 118 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 2: much they're settling for is not decided. 119 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 1: So Tennis Australia and the PTPA are in talks, but 120 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: the tournament is here and players are still stating publicly 121 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 1: that they're not paid enough. How has Tennis Australia responded to. 122 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 2: This Well, according to the Australian Financial Review, Tennis Australia 123 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:22,040 Speaker 2: are really doubling down on this argument that the players 124 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 2: are calculating their demands based on this total revenue number. 125 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 2: It needs to be on the Aussie Open number itself. 126 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 2: It's basically turned into a bit of a fight about maths. 127 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 2: And if you consider the money that the Aussie Open, 128 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:38,840 Speaker 2: according to them, makes alone, it's at twenty point two 129 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 2: percent YAH, which is pretty close to that twenty two 130 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:44,039 Speaker 2: percent goal by twenty thirty. That's their basic case. 131 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: So then the settlement is in theory on its way, 132 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: but the broader lawsuit i'm assuming is still going to continue. 133 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, and these talks with Tennis Australia aren't just about money. 134 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 2: They're also about extra measures that the players want to 135 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:01,600 Speaker 2: have better can do for them at work because it's 136 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:05,480 Speaker 2: their workplace. So they want Grand Slams to each contribute 137 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 2: twelve million US dollars per event to a welfare fund 138 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 2: that would go towards players pensions, healthcare, maternity benefits. And 139 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 2: part of this is ensuring that it's not just the 140 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 2: players that win a lot of tournaments and make it 141 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 2: to kind of the quarterfinals and beyond that get the 142 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 2: big dollars. It's every player on the circuit. Raining champion 143 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 2: Madison Keys said this week that she would prefer money 144 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 2: to be put into these sort of player welfare programs 145 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 2: rather than straight into their pockets. She said, at the 146 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 2: end of the day, I think we're all partners and 147 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 2: we all need each other, so I would really like 148 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 2: to see the slams put their shares towards player welfare. 149 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 3: Can we zoom out for a second. 150 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 1: How does the Australian Open compare to the other Grand 151 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 1: Slams like the US Open? 152 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 3: For example? 153 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 2: So it's second in the group of four. The US 154 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:55,239 Speaker 2: Open is the most lucrative Slam. It offered ninety million 155 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 2: US dollars last year, which is about one hundred and 156 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 2: thirty five million OZSIE and that was an of twenty 157 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 2: percent over the previous year, so it's going up pretty 158 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 2: quickly across the board. Then there's the Aussie Open on 159 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 2: one hundred and eleven million, Wimbledon is offering about one 160 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 2: hundred and eight million, and the French Open is offering 161 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 2: about ninety eight million, and both of those only increased 162 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 2: by six percent, so there's a bit of a lag 163 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 2: there now. According to the New York Times, each of 164 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 2: these prize pools is about fifteen percent of each tournament's 165 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 2: total revenue. That's taking the big Aussie Open number, not 166 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 2: the little Ossie Open number. Yeah, so there is a 167 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 2: gap between the fifteen percent and the twenty two percent 168 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 2: that the players want. 169 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 1: Let's dooom out again. Give me a sense of how 170 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 1: tennis stacks up compared to other sports. 171 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought this was a really interesting point. So 172 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 2: tennis players are amongst the poorest page when you look 173 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 2: at it as a percentage of revenue and other sports. 174 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 2: So the NRL, for example, this is NRL and NRLW 175 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 2: they're getting about forty percent or up of total revenue. 176 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 2: The AFL's current agreement sees about thirty two percent paid 177 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 2: to players, and cricketers get about twenty eight percent. So 178 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 2: when you put it in that perspective, the twenty two 179 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 2: percent doesn't seem like it's too unreasonable. Now, obviously there's 180 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 2: differences with those sports. Those sports have seasons that could 181 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 2: be you know, six to nine months long. The AO 182 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 2: is two weeks. There's lots to talk about there and 183 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 2: the differences, but there's certainly a precedent that they're trying 184 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 2: to reach. 185 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean the AO might be two weeks, 186 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:24,680 Speaker 1: but it's the first in an almost year long calendar. 187 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 1: If you take it from the AO to the Davis Cup. 188 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I guess the whole point that they would 189 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:31,839 Speaker 2: make is it's a percentage of the revenue, so it's 190 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 2: kind of meant to carry over across however long and 191 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 2: lucrative a season might be. 192 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 3: Yeah. 193 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: You mentioned at the top that there has been some pushback. 194 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: Who do we hear that from? 195 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:45,679 Speaker 2: Well, Australian tennis great Pat Rafter, who younger members of 196 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:48,319 Speaker 2: our audience might know from Bonds ads, older members might 197 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 2: know from his two US Opens and two Wimbledon finals. Yeah, 198 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:55,839 Speaker 2: he called the players greedy. So Raft said, players ramping 199 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 2: up their push for more prize money is quote not 200 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 2: warranted in an era where they're earning more than ever before, 201 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:04,599 Speaker 2: both on and off the court. Those are those sponsorships 202 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 2: that I mentioned at the top. Part Rafter said, I 203 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 2: think it's just greed. At the end of the day, 204 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 2: I think they're making plenty of money. It just irks me. 205 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 3: So where does this leave things. 206 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 1: We've got a pending lawsuit, we've got differing views within 207 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 1: the sport, and we've got the whole tournament still to 208 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 1: play for, right. 209 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you can almost guarantee that the players are 210 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 2: going to be asked about this at every press conference 211 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 2: after their games. Yeah, and it's kind of a genuine standoff. 212 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 2: I mean, you've got the players who've got significant support 213 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 2: from a union now, the PTPA, and they've got this 214 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 2: ongoing legal action. In comments to the media this week, 215 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 2: Coco Goff didn't rule out players considering a protest, so 216 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 2: there is potential for that to escalate now. At the 217 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 2: same time, you've got this ongoing settlement between Tennis Australia 218 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:50,719 Speaker 2: and the union that does show us that there is 219 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:54,679 Speaker 2: a willingness to negotiate, but this big broader discussion continues. 220 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 2: I'd say in tennis terms, it's about one set each Well. 221 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: If you are struggling to understand what that means, you 222 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: can sign up to tda's sport newsletter at the link 223 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 1: in our bios us One. Thanks so much for explaining 224 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: that to us, Sam, Thanks Lucie, and thank you for 225 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:11,839 Speaker 1: joining us. We'll be back this afternoon with the headlines 226 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 1: and again tomorrow with another deep dive. Until then, have 227 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 1: a great day. My name is Lily Maddon and I'm 228 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 1: a proud Arunda Bungelung Calkatin woman from Gadighl Country. The 229 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 1: Daily oz acknowledges that This podcast is recorded on the 230 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 1: lands of the Gadighl people and pays respect to all 231 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:35,679 Speaker 1: Aboriginal and Torres Strait island and nations. 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