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Speaker 1: Mom always always said, be careful love those alum boys.

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Speaker 1: It'll well use your head. They will tear you up

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Speaker 1: like a paper too.

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Speaker 2: Oh no no no, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah yeah, oh no no no.

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Speaker 2: Then it's knowledge you're darning.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, It's a little thoughts that'll bring your down, trying

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Speaker 1: to get your tipsy like god, drink love drunk girls.

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Speaker 3: Oh hi, I'm Amanda.

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Speaker 2: And I'm Hendy. Welcome to its La. We're in a

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Speaker 2: long distance spread shift that started twenty years ago when we.

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Speaker 1: Were in time.

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Speaker 3: We'll be talking all things like love, family, and anything

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Speaker 3: and everything else under the sun.

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Speaker 2: Dove deeper with us because in life, you know, genius

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Speaker 2: my layers.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Stack, How are you, my love?

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Speaker 4: Since we last spoke.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing alright. I'm doing me good like I think

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Speaker 2: so you know, I'm good. And how are you are you?

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Speaker 4: I'm good, I'm good. I was actually sitting on some

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Speaker 4: grapetizer no tea today.

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Speaker 2: I'm home. I'm jealous, like I'm I didn't tell you

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Speaker 2: I found what do they call it? This? Kale? You

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Speaker 2: know they call it kale and kale, but I know

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Speaker 2: it as rape. I think it's rape.

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Speaker 4: I think it's rape.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, whatever it is. I found in the shop

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Speaker 3: There's nothing that beats finding something from home when you're

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, for sure, but man, I'm a long way

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Speaker 2: from home, like you feel it. But yeah, that's bringing

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Speaker 2: talking about things that I don't think people actually talk

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's no like tidbit side. So that's actually quite

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Speaker 2: in Bomba. Yeah, with the green Bomba like moving from

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Speaker 2: zim to another country. As many of you know, like

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Speaker 4: It's true though, we are fifty back home exactly well

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Speaker 2: Of the hassle anyway, into all that, you know, could

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Speaker 4: Giving me the whole episode?

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Speaker 3: But to be doing that kind of visa, then you

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Speaker 3: Approved professionals that they want that they're lacking in that

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Speaker 3: And then once they're approved after Snamanta time, you go

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Speaker 3: Apply for that, which is a whole another set of regulations,

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Speaker 2: You Yeah, but it was.

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Speaker 3: I mean I sounded so cavalier talking about it, but

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Speaker 4: You know you speak good English, you know you write

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Speaker 4: to prove it, you still got to do it. You know,

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Speaker 3: You pay like four five hundred dollars for a doctor

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Speaker 4: It's an approved visa plus a doctor.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's like a lot of just every step

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Speaker 2: Absolutely it never end. There's never really truly like a

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Speaker 3: And a lot of a lot of friends left because

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Speaker 4: Understand as well. It's not for everyone.

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Speaker 3: It's a lot of sacrifices that I made, Like I

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Speaker 3: biddy because at that time, when you handed in your application,

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Speaker 3: I love your candidy, I want to stay.

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Speaker 4: So they're like, well where you want to go?

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Speaker 3: So it's heartbreaking because then you're like, you know, but

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Speaker 4: I mean, what about you? How was your journey?

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Speaker 2: My journey is to the too public rights because you know,

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Speaker 2: I studied in South Africa.

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Speaker 2: the restrictions got more restrictive in South Africa, more complicated,

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Speaker 2: and also companies were not as willing to like be like, okay,

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Speaker 4: So yeah, that's the whole similar.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, basic breakdown. And then so then I moved back

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Speaker 2: go through the you know the same thing, the hoops,

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Speaker 4: Did you like all these passions?

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Speaker 3: So it's like you're you're like balancing all these things,

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Speaker 2: moved to Essay, I had my sister at least, so

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00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 2: I had that like support, you know, even though like

441
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 2: I was fumbling to discover myself and work. I had

442
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 2: my sister, family, friends, you know, through university and all that.

443
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:50,400
Speaker 2: Moving here to a country where I knew nobody here

444
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:55,160
Speaker 2: and a place where I knew nobody. Language is different,

445
00:24:56,320 --> 00:25:03,640
Speaker 2: systems are different. Like it was the most isolating, as

446
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 2: you said, lonely experience ever. I was constantly anxious, constantly

447
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,399
Speaker 2: stressed because you try to make sure you drop all

448
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 2: your eyes and cross all your te's like you literally

449
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:18,959
Speaker 2: have you know, and trying to figure it out. But

450
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 2: somehow I don't know how you do it. I think

451
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 2: it's just like you know, single swim buddy, like you

452
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 2: need to get on with it, you know. And I

453
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,160
Speaker 2: remember having we had countless conversations and you would say

454
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 2: to me, Amanda, like it's just the journey. It's going

455
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 2: to be okay, It's just the journey. And at that point,

456
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 2: you know, I'm so grateful that travel in Europe is

457
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 2: so affordable because I had friends come to see me.

458
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 2: I was able to see them, I was able to

459
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 2: go to Germany, which is next door Hamburg, for Amanda's

460
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:56,399
Speaker 2: engagement party, and then my sister came to visit. And

461
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 2: I think those are the things that sustained me at

462
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 2: the time twenty nineteen because it is wildly you cannot

463
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 2: explain it, and there's just so many variables to that.

464
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 2: So we've obviously like talked a lot about like the struggle,

465
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,879
Speaker 2: the hustle, and feel free to ask us questions, you know,

466
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 2: in you know, in our DMS and comments. We could

467
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:21,439
Speaker 2: go on, but all to say, there's a kind of

468
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 2: knowing when you're in the diaspora to someone else who's

469
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 2: in the dashper you just know, it's like an understanding

470
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 2: like I know what you've been, Yeah, you know what

471
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:35,160
Speaker 2: the cost the hoops you've had to jump to get

472
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 2: where you are. So that's why, you know, mad respect

473
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 2: for everyone who's done it, who's doing it, But what

474
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 2: are some of the advantages. I feel like we don't

475
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:49,159
Speaker 2: want it to sound like hey, I know, but like

476
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 2: why do people do this and what other advantages that

477
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,239
Speaker 2: then come with it that people stick it out and

478
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 2: push through?

479
00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 3: Well, it's kind of like in terms of advantages, you

480
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,959
Speaker 3: kind of have to make it as you wanted to

481
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 3: be because there's no there's no real going back when

482
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 3: it comes to zim As you said in a previous episode,

483
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 3: there's like ninety nine plus percent unemployment, So it's not

484
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,159
Speaker 3: like you're going to go back and just you know,

485
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 3: and a lot of us are doing degrees and fields

486
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 3: that might not even exist now fully in them yet.

487
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 4: Like for example, I did forensic toxicology.

488
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,360
Speaker 3: Unless I want to know they I don't know if

489
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 3: therapy is hiring, but if they are.

490
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 4: So I don't know if I'll be doing forensics and zimah.

491
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 4: But like, it's just that whole notion of the freedom

492
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 4: it affords you, right to choose which career path you

493
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 4: want to do, what you want to do with your life,

494
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 4: on hobbies you like to do.

495
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,719
Speaker 3: You know, you can fully realize who you are and

496
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 3: through all those challenges we just talked about highlighted, you

497
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 3: get to know yourself quick fast no other way, and

498
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 3: you know who is really truly riding and dying for

499
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 3: you because they will have to They will have to

500
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:11,159
Speaker 3: also help you. Can your friends come to the forefront.

501
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 2: Can I just say, it shows you who's who in

502
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 2: your life, like if I have how that experience because

503
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 2: when people say when things are good, it's easy to

504
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 2: have friends, they don't. They don't lie like they know life.

505
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,199
Speaker 2: But when things are tough, and you know, I was fortunate,

506
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 2: as I was saying, with the crowd funding, the love

507
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 2: and support I got was like really something amazing. And

508
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 2: then the adjustment process too, shows you who's really there

509
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 2: for you, because yeah, it gets quiet, let me put

510
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 2: it back.

511
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, completely completely understand. And even here like

512
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 3: even though we're all on the same trajectory or trying

513
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 3: to get the visa or whatever, people can also fall

514
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:01,479
Speaker 3: make you all by the wayside, you know, maybe not

515
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 3: going to be good advice, maybe not like they have

516
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 3: come before, you've done it before. Maybe quite moum like

517
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 3: there's something super odd about Zimbabweans and sharing visa info

518
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 3: or like sometimes we'll ask you straight up what vis

519
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,719
Speaker 3: are you on and you're like, I meet you, I

520
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 3: kind of just meet you, so you Yeah, it's a

521
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 3: weird thing where it's like something we've made into the secretive.

522
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 4: This people who've sought political asylum.

523
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 3: There's those kind of visinas as well where Yeah, I'm Zimbabwean,

524
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 3: but if I go back home, I'll be in trouble.

525
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 4: So you know, I'm staying in your country forever.

526
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 3: So then it's also hard because you're balancing you people

527
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 3: don't know people land. Yeah, so you want to ask

528
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 3: too many inquisitive questions.

529
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 4: It's almost like you here. I mean, I've got friends.

530
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 3: Who got deported, so obviously they had done something wrong

531
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 3: along the process, and what they had overstayed, they welcome.

532
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 3: Some people deferred their UNI, like they didn't actually want

533
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 3: to finish their UNI or maybe four year old they

534
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 3: wanted to work to make the money to then.

535
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 2: Go finish you need.

536
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 3: So it's like you start to all talk about it

537
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 3: less and less because people's situations can be so varied.

538
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 4: Some people get visas, you know, through marriages.

539
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 3: That's also a thing you find out and then your

540
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 3: partner helps you, you know, so and then the judgment

541
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 3: that comes with that, like oh, you're just with them

542
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 3: for love or for money for love. Semple have kids,

543
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 3: you know in these countries, and then when they're pregnant,

544
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 3: hey you gotta stay, you know. So it just becomes

545
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 3: and there's like I feel like it should just be

546
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 3: no judgment zone. People are doing what they can five

547
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 3: to gain that independence, which is a huge advantage to

548
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 3: stand on your own.

549
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 4: To see your own little thing. So yeah, it's.

550
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 2: Very late, and I think, you know, one of the

551
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 2: things that like someone can ask, and I remember I

552
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 2: had these conversations with myself too, is like why would

553
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 2: you start afresh? Because anyone who knows starting afresh, it's

554
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 2: started from the bottom, Like you're starting from the bottom

555
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 2: and building and you're no but nobody in this world

556
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 2: I'm in, I like starting afresh in all aspects. And

557
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 2: I remember having this conversation with myself like why would

558
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 2: you want to put yourself you know, you know, even

559
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 2: further behind your peers because we all think about these

560
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 2: things right like where am I? How how am I?

561
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 2: And especially now in our society and community, that was

562
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 2: a big thing, just like oh just do this. So

563
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 2: and so is doing this, You should do this, you

564
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 2: should why just stay here? Do this? You know? And

565
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 2: and for me to actively choose to move against the

566
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 2: grain and come start afresh in a field that, to

567
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,479
Speaker 2: be honest, like where I come from, it was like

568
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 2: why would you go and do that? Right? It took

569
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 2: a lot, But I think for me, the independence was

570
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 2: a huge thing and I needed space to be and

571
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 2: think and be myself. And I think that's meant more

572
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 2: for me than anything else, you know, and it explains

573
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 2: why I chose and I still choose to It's because

574
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 2: I needed that. I needed to understand myself and know

575
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,719
Speaker 2: what I wanted for myself. And so would I do

576
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 2: it again, one hundred percent. I would do it all

577
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 2: over again because I knew what it meant for me.

578
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 2: Aside from, you know, the physical and tangible reasons we

579
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 2: speak of, you know, economically and all that, it's also

580
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 2: just like what it is for me.

581
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 3: And kudos to you and being like, really much kudos

582
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 3: to you starting again, especially when you had kind of

583
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 3: really started in essays. Then it's like you're starting. It's like, oh, oh,

584
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 3: i'd start again as if I'm nineteen twenty whatever. You know,

585
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 3: So you still took their chance for yourself, and that's

586
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 3: something I think a lot of people who do decide

587
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 3: to stay at home or who go back home.

588
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 4: Kind of.

589
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 3: Kind of forget how tough it can be and they

590
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 3: just think living this grand life.

591
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 4: Yes, of course, we're so grateful.

592
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 3: There's like electricity, there's water, there's there's the basic necessities,

593
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 3: of course, but it can be psychologically and emotionally it

594
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 3: can be.

595
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 4: Very very taxing.

596
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 2: You know.

597
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 3: I even speak to people who've got kids outside of

598
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 3: zin and the Zimbabwean and they're like, I always imagine,

599
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 3: like the way I grew up and how different it

600
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 3: is now when I'm raising my own child, you.

601
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 4: Know, because it's very lonely.

602
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 2: You know.

603
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 4: My dad always last, He's like, ah, life and that

604
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 4: sport I d I y.

605
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 2: Yourself as it is.

606
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 3: It is d You put your own fuel in, you

607
00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 3: clean your own damn house, you do your own laundry.

608
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 3: Nobody be helping you, And yes, of course you can.

609
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 3: Maybe you're speaking from a privileged space because but nah,

610
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 3: in Zim, even if you live in wherever you live,

611
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 3: you've got someone helping you, whether it's a relative or

612
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 3: a paid helper, there's always someone to blend their hand

613
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 3: or if you're struggling, so such and such.

614
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, so like yeah.

615
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 3: It's like literally my next door neighbor could be suffering

616
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 3: or unemployed and I would have no idea.

617
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:29,879
Speaker 4: Rest in Zim there's that community.

618
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 3: You ll band together, you will, and it has its

619
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 3: drawbacks of course, as we've talked about in the family episode,

620
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 3: the Boomtu and everything, But at the when it comes

621
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 3: to living in direspora, it's very solitary.

622
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:42,320
Speaker 4: If you don't make good.

623
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 3: Friends and make them quick, or if you don't have

624
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 3: family already living with you, it's you pretty much can

625
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 3: be like close to suicidal.

626
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 4: Because it's that deep.

627
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 3: Like a lot of people have lots of mental issues

628
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 3: when they leave, because first of all, in most of

629
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 3: these countries, you don't long you're not the right color,

630
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,760
Speaker 3: not the right class, you're not the right whatever it is,

631
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 3: your other And then to space that every single day

632
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:17,360
Speaker 3: and not have a space to breathe, Oh gosh.

633
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 2: It's a lot, And honestly it's And then then COVID

634
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 2: hey Comet it was like, so it's a lot of

635
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 2: panoramic life about this panasmic. I heard Penasania.

636
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 4: I'm loving all these different parallelo grounds. Thieves are all

637
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:43,760
Speaker 4: too good, too good. This pandemic has been something something else.

638
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 2: So no, honestly, it's one of those things you you

639
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 2: it builds a resilience in you, and yeah, I mean

640
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,439
Speaker 2: it's and for me, I've been asked, people have reached

641
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 2: out to me, how do I do this? How do

642
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 2: I like the process? Like you know, you know, And

643
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 2: I've spoken to a number of people because I'm really

644
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 2: of the mindset I should share because man to go

645
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 2: through to navigate alone is so hard. And what I

646
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 2: can say about the process of relocating is you really

647
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 2: need to want it, Like you can't be like, oh,

648
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 2: it's too difficult or oh, like you know, Amanda will know.

649
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 2: Like I was chicken bussing from zim to Zambia has

650
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 2: something like doing the like all sorts of I had

651
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 2: to go to essay I had, Like you're jumping all

652
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 2: these hoops. You need to put your ego aside and

653
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 2: really just like I want it or not, Like that's

654
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 2: bottom line and you have to be, you know, someone

655
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 2: really cooperative. Make it easy if it's a work visa,

656
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,800
Speaker 2: make it easy for your employer as easy as possible.

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Speaker 2: Like there's so many things you have to just really

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Speaker 2: kick on your shoulders and willing to do it because

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Speaker 2: it you know what, even.

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Speaker 3: The jobs, the casual as you have to do to supplement,

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Speaker 3: you know, like I throughout my unique career waitressing or cleaning,

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Speaker 3: cleaning hotel roots. Because it's like and Zim people will

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Speaker 3: be like, what you're doing well, because obviously, as we

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Speaker 3: talked about in a previous episode about classism, there's certain

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Speaker 3: jobs that people don't expect you to do. People here

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Speaker 3: come and work in McDonald's, at Henry Jack's ubers. You know,

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Speaker 3: because you're doing you know what you're doing it for.

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Speaker 3: It's not forever. It's just a phase and it will

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Speaker 3: get you through. And I think there's a lot of

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Speaker 3: humility when you move as well, because in Zim depending

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Speaker 3: for most people, you're afforded a certain type of lifestyle, yes,

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Speaker 3: and you get used to certain things. We're just talking

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Speaker 3: about mazing godness, and you know, and then when you

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Speaker 3: come here, you're like, oh, yeah, it is everything is you.

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Speaker 4: It's on your shoulder.

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Speaker 2: Even packing your fruit, like I don't know what it's like.

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Speaker 2: You have to weigh and pack your fruit like anybody

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Speaker 2: saying pepey, nobody there to wait for you. Your like

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Speaker 2: things like that. Like I think people don't realize it's

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Speaker 2: so di I y to the to the putting fuel.

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Speaker 4: In your car. You like, I'm standing there. Yeah, So

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Speaker 4: I remember the first time I was like, how do

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Speaker 4: you even do this?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: You pull up and you're like this offel.

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Speaker 5: Yes, exactly, exactly feel my car, you know, but also

687
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Speaker 5: say you need to know for yourself what you want

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Speaker 5: and if you're willing to go all the way and

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Speaker 5: the process, and you know, it's it's.

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Speaker 2: Getting more complex as time goes, as we know, it's

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Speaker 2: not as easy.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, and the options you have at hand, like

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Speaker 4: can you move? What does that look like?

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Speaker 3: You know, some people can support in a space where

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Speaker 3: they can and family will support, or they worked in

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Speaker 3: an industry that can relate to whatever is happening in

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Speaker 3: Zim orherever they're from, and some people can't, and then

698
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Speaker 3: you have to kind of like find that happy medium media.

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Speaker 3: And I think only before COVID people went too worried

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Speaker 3: because they knew at a drop of a hat they

701
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Speaker 3: could travel home, as you said before, But now COVID

702
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Speaker 3: but a lot of things at the forefront, and some

703
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Speaker 3: people lost their jobs during COVID, So it was also like,

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Speaker 3: how do I support family and support myself? Yeah, that's

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Speaker 3: for us, not all I know that. It's yeah, yeah, not.

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Speaker 2: All brain bows and butterflies, that's for sure.

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Speaker 3: No, And that's why I think sometimes when you go home,

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Speaker 3: we get turned because we're like thinking of all those

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Speaker 3: other times you go to the salon and they can't

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Speaker 3: do your hair, we have your own hair, or we're

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Speaker 3: thinking of all those times when you know, things like

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Speaker 3: fruit for example, you know, fruits and sea.

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Speaker 4: Fash you know.

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Speaker 3: So it's like you have to just when we get home,

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Speaker 3: go home. And if you see from Desport being super

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Speaker 3: happy and super a lot of it is kathatic. They

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Speaker 3: just have that two weeks that they've been looking forward

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Speaker 3: to for years. Yes, you know, you never know.

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Speaker 4: That's just their time to.

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Speaker 2: Feel you to feel normal. Yeah, all right, well thank

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Speaker 2: you and I hope you know you garnered something from it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we could have been talking absolutely rubbish, but

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Speaker 2: you know, it is what it is, take it or

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Speaker 2: leave it, right, But our zoom shout out today before

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Speaker 2: we go, it's Chrissy Zemura and Amanda. Could you share

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Speaker 2: a little bit more about what she's doing and why

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Speaker 2: we are shouting her out on our platform and yeah,

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Speaker 2: please take us away.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, funny, I just brought up here as one of

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Speaker 3: the last things. But Chrissy is a hairstylist based in Sydney.

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Speaker 3: She came to my attention because she during the Black

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Speaker 3: Lives Matter movement last year, she started a petition that

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Speaker 3: actually brought to the forefront this whole notion of how

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Speaker 3: you can be a certified, fully trained hairstylist within Australia

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Speaker 3: and not know how to do certain people's hair, Like

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Speaker 3: how can you actually stand up there and say I

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Speaker 3: can do hair, but you know there's a whole subset

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Speaker 3: of people you can't do.

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Speaker 4: So she was petitioning for.

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Speaker 3: All these Australian institutions that teach people how to become

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Speaker 3: hair stylists to include how to do hair for black people,

742
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Speaker 3: so Afro hair snaps because it bore a lot of

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Speaker 3: conversation to the forefront. You know, even when you do

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Speaker 3: enter a black salon, are those girls trained?

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Speaker 4: You know? When they're hair? Was that a mistake or

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Speaker 4: do they just you know.

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Speaker 3: So it's like all these questions became came up to

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Speaker 3: the forefront, you know, not only for us within our

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Speaker 3: community and share are all So when these spaces we're

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Speaker 3: trying to occupy and these people you know who have salons,

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Speaker 3: is it actually a good idea to make sure that

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Speaker 3: everyone's fully trained. So shout out to her. Her instagram

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Speaker 3: is at Christy Zemura. That's c h RI I W

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Speaker 3: S y z E m U.

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Speaker 2: R A h A I R.

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Speaker 3: We'll obviously target in our episode as well, and you

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Speaker 3: should definitely take a look and if the petition is

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Speaker 3: to open, have a sign and let's push this forward

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Speaker 3: because you can only make active change at these kind

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Speaker 3: of levels for sure.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much and thank you for listening as always.

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Speaker 2: Please let us know your thoughts. We're on Instagram at

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Speaker 2: its layered you can email us. It's Layered pod at

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Speaker 2: gmail dot com. We'll put all the links down as well. Amanda,

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Speaker 2: it's always a pleasure doing this work, I know.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I love me too, and we look forward to

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Speaker 2: seeing you in episode always.

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Speaker 3: Guys, like you know, careful low those alms, little girl,

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Speaker 3: use your