WEBVTT - Big Brother Wrap: Snoring, Teabags And Those 'Backyard Survivor' Allegations 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:03.200 This is Outspoken. The podcast is not afraid to say 0:00:03.440 --> 0:00:05.040 exactly what you're thinking. 0:00:05.480 --> 0:00:06.120 Our names are. 0:00:06.040 --> 0:00:09.639 Amy Kate and Sophie Torbor. We're identical triplets, but we 0:00:09.720 --> 0:00:14.040 often don't have identical opinions, so sometimes things can get heated. 0:00:14.640 --> 0:00:19.840 Outspoken covers all things reality TV, influences, entertainment, and issues 0:00:19.880 --> 0:00:20.680 facing women. 0:00:21.480 --> 0:00:22.960 That is so thatched. 0:00:23.400 --> 0:00:32.080 Thank you, Welcome back to Outspoken Now. We are very 0:00:32.120 --> 0:00:35.480 excited today because we are finally getting to discuss Big 0:00:35.520 --> 0:00:38.600 Brother Now as Big Brother Tragics. We have been waiting 0:00:38.760 --> 0:00:42.280 six long years for its return, and it was pretty 0:00:42.280 --> 0:00:45.040 disappointing to be honest. Well, it's on a new network, 0:00:45.120 --> 0:00:47.800 it's got a new format, and everyone's talking about it, 0:00:47.840 --> 0:00:51.000 but it seems everyone's talking about it for the wrong reasons. Yeah, 0:00:51.040 --> 0:00:53.840 I mean safe to say I was incredibly excited when 0:00:53.840 --> 0:00:56.440 we heard it was going to be airing, and you know, 0:00:56.560 --> 0:00:58.480 taking a trip down memory lane, you think of some 0:00:58.520 --> 0:01:01.720 of the housemates that came before, like Sarah Marie, even 0:01:01.760 --> 0:01:05.720 Sky Wheatley, Drew Tully, and the bar is set pretty high, 0:01:05.800 --> 0:01:09.520 and the contestants that we received on Monday were very, 0:01:09.680 --> 0:01:12.640 very disappointing. Well, it really surprised me because I've been 0:01:12.640 --> 0:01:15.800 saying for a few weeks now that I was interested 0:01:15.800 --> 0:01:17.319 to see what the ratings were going to be, and 0:01:17.400 --> 0:01:20.480 I thought it might bomb, But actually it was the 0:01:20.600 --> 0:01:23.000 number one rating program in that time slot, so it 0:01:23.120 --> 0:01:25.840 outrated Master Chef. It got eight hundred and fifty three 0:01:25.920 --> 0:01:29.720 thousand viewers. Do you think that's because everyone was hoping 0:01:29.760 --> 0:01:31.959 that it would be back like it normally was and 0:01:32.000 --> 0:01:34.199 we would be, you know, going back to this show 0:01:34.240 --> 0:01:36.319 that we loved growing up, and instead. 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:38.280 It's so different. It's the nostalgia of the show. 0:01:38.360 --> 0:01:39.720 I mean, we all thought it was going to be 0:01:39.760 --> 0:01:42.840 the saving grace of this Lockdown slash Corona period, but 0:01:42.959 --> 0:01:45.400 it's just proven to be incredibly disappointing, and I do 0:01:45.520 --> 0:01:47.720 not think that it will hold the ratings it received 0:01:47.720 --> 0:01:50.919 on the first night. Well, it actually did pretty well 0:01:50.960 --> 0:01:52.160 in the ratings second night. 0:01:52.400 --> 0:01:54.280 In really yeah, it was a number one rating. 0:01:54.560 --> 0:01:56.680 It did drop by about I think it was about 0:01:56.680 --> 0:01:58.920 ten thousand, but it's still rating pretty well. 0:01:58.960 --> 0:02:01.800 So I think people might be giving it a week because. 0:02:01.520 --> 0:02:04.640 The first episode of reality shows is notoriously bad. 0:02:04.920 --> 0:02:07.200 Did anyone else find it went for far too long? 0:02:07.280 --> 0:02:07.360 So? 0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:09.760 Oh, oh my gosh, yes, So obviously. 0:02:09.360 --> 0:02:11.120 The opening night that went for about an hour and 0:02:11.160 --> 0:02:13.560 a half, which is expected because you're usually meeting all 0:02:13.600 --> 0:02:16.080 the contestants, but the second episode also went for an 0:02:16.080 --> 0:02:18.480 hour and a half. I don't have that amount of 0:02:18.480 --> 0:02:20.959 time to waste, as in, I watched the first episode 0:02:21.000 --> 0:02:23.519 and I wanted the hour and a half to two 0:02:23.520 --> 0:02:26.360 hours of my life back. Well. I used to like 0:02:26.400 --> 0:02:28.519 it because it was, you know, half an hour episode, 0:02:28.560 --> 0:02:30.920 sometimes a little bit longer, but you got your daily 0:02:31.360 --> 0:02:33.680 intake of what was going on in the house. But 0:02:33.720 --> 0:02:35.920 now it seems like the episodes are bulked up because 0:02:35.919 --> 0:02:38.320 they're fitting like a couple of days into one episode. 0:02:38.560 --> 0:02:41.679 Can we start by talking about the absolute lack of 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:45.760 hype surrounding the contestants arriving to meet Sonia. I mean, 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:48.600 you think back to two thousand and one when Big 0:02:48.639 --> 0:02:51.280 Brother first came out and how crowds line the street 0:02:51.280 --> 0:02:53.880 to get a glimpse of the first housemates. I understand 0:02:53.880 --> 0:02:56.880 this is prerecorded, but then don't have them arrive in 0:02:56.919 --> 0:02:58.079 front of the house with no one. 0:02:58.160 --> 0:02:59.120 It just seems stupid. 0:02:59.120 --> 0:03:02.960 It was very odd, I mean, but Sonya looked as 0:03:02.960 --> 0:03:05.160 if she was sort of cringing throughout the process. It 0:03:05.240 --> 0:03:09.239 was all very bizarre to watch. Yeah, it was very lackluster, 0:03:09.480 --> 0:03:12.880 and I found it really awkward when the footy guy 0:03:13.000 --> 0:03:14.799 I'm sorry, I can't even remember what his name's name is, 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:17.799 Daniel Daniel rocked up and then started to have this 0:03:17.919 --> 0:03:19.960 awkward flirt with Sonya. 0:03:20.360 --> 0:03:22.400 It was cringe. But then he also. 0:03:22.280 --> 0:03:24.519 Drops that he's not going to get into any sort 0:03:24.520 --> 0:03:27.400 of romantic relationship in the house, and he's got someone 0:03:27.440 --> 0:03:30.240 waiting for him yet isn't he sort of linked to 0:03:30.320 --> 0:03:30.920 some other. 0:03:30.800 --> 0:03:32.560 Blonde girl in the house next minute. 0:03:33.120 --> 0:03:35.400 I think they're trying to create a storyline like they 0:03:35.400 --> 0:03:37.920 did with Lawson and Kat from Big Brother a number 0:03:37.960 --> 0:03:40.600 of years ago when he cheated on his girlfriend. So 0:03:40.600 --> 0:03:42.800 maybe they're kind of keeping that, keeping it interesting. I 0:03:43.000 --> 0:03:45.480 just mentioned that is a good point because we didn't 0:03:45.480 --> 0:03:47.960 see some of the other people arriving. Did you notice 0:03:47.960 --> 0:03:49.760 that some people were just tossed in the house, Like 0:03:49.800 --> 0:03:53.000 there's apparently a guy called Xavier in there, who he's 0:03:53.040 --> 0:03:54.400 just like the blonde guy in the background. 0:03:54.440 --> 0:03:55.800 I hadn't seen him say. 0:03:55.600 --> 0:03:59.120 Oh, Xavier, not Exavier, No, it's Xavier. 0:04:00.320 --> 0:04:00.800 Yeah. 0:04:01.040 --> 0:04:03.320 Well, I think the fact that we're know it's been 0:04:03.440 --> 0:04:06.720 pre recorded and it's been highly edited, suggests that the 0:04:06.760 --> 0:04:09.400 people that we're getting to know quite well are those 0:04:09.440 --> 0:04:11.800 that are going to stick around. That's, of course not 0:04:11.840 --> 0:04:14.560 to spoil it for anyone, but Alan, who got evicted, 0:04:14.600 --> 0:04:15.760 I actually thought he'd stick. 0:04:15.600 --> 0:04:16.480 Around for a while. 0:04:16.560 --> 0:04:19.120 He was actually my favorite because I thought, finally we've 0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:22.200 got someone who might actually shake things up in this house. Well, 0:04:22.200 --> 0:04:23.680 I think we should get into some of the changes 0:04:23.720 --> 0:04:26.360 regarding this season of Big Brother, And you did mention 0:04:26.480 --> 0:04:29.599 the very different style of housemates. What do you guys 0:04:29.600 --> 0:04:32.320 think because they are so different, Well, the initial bunch 0:04:32.320 --> 0:04:34.279 they put in the first episode are so different to 0:04:34.279 --> 0:04:37.279 what we've seen in previous series. I definitely think that 0:04:37.360 --> 0:04:39.760 Big Brother hit the nail on the head with including 0:04:39.880 --> 0:04:41.719 a diverse cast and when we see a lot of 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:45.880 different ethnicities, ages, sexual preferences. So I think that they 0:04:45.880 --> 0:04:49.479 were good in representing a wide range of people. Where 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:52.720 I think that they went wrong though, is that there's 0:04:52.760 --> 0:04:53.279 a lot. 0:04:53.080 --> 0:04:53.919 Of odd balls. 0:04:54.320 --> 0:04:57.279 Yeah, in terms of the representation, which we've said are good. 0:04:57.520 --> 0:04:59.800 The disappointing thing is we don't get to hear any 0:04:59.839 --> 0:05:02.320 of their story. So can you imagine if Farmer Dave 0:05:02.400 --> 0:05:05.039 had gone in? Of course, he became famous because he 0:05:05.120 --> 0:05:08.359 actually came out as gay on Big Brother, which was 0:05:08.440 --> 0:05:13.120 such a big moment in reality TV history. And imagine 0:05:13.120 --> 0:05:14.839 if he had gone in there and then got voted 0:05:14.839 --> 0:05:16.240 out three days in and never got to. 0:05:16.240 --> 0:05:17.000 Share a story. 0:05:17.080 --> 0:05:19.880 Yeah, it doesn't seem like the intention of Big Brother 0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:22.239 is to actually well, is for us as a viewer, 0:05:22.240 --> 0:05:23.960 to get to know the contestants. It just seems to 0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:27.000 be all about strategy, which I hate. But then it's 0:05:27.040 --> 0:05:29.279 funny because they say it's all about strategy, but it 0:05:29.320 --> 0:05:32.320 actually seems like more of a popularity contest because the 0:05:32.400 --> 0:05:35.280 players like Kieran and Allen who actually tried to have 0:05:35.320 --> 0:05:37.960 some strategy everyone saw through and they got voted out 0:05:38.040 --> 0:05:40.760 or they got in trouble for wanting to strategize. Well, 0:05:40.800 --> 0:05:43.920 that's the other huge change the rules of voting. So 0:05:44.120 --> 0:05:46.920 you know, back in the day, housemates put other housemates 0:05:46.960 --> 0:05:49.640 up previction, but now it's if you win a competition, 0:05:50.240 --> 0:05:52.839 you get to put up three housemates for eviction, and 0:05:52.880 --> 0:05:55.880 then the housemates decide who gets evicted rather than the public. 0:05:56.120 --> 0:05:58.840 Do you guys like that style of voting? I'm assuming no. 0:05:59.279 --> 0:06:02.640 Well, it's fairly obvious that the executive producer of Survivor 0:06:03.040 --> 0:06:05.560 has now come across to be the executive producer of 0:06:05.600 --> 0:06:07.719 Big Brother because a lot of people on Twitter have 0:06:07.800 --> 0:06:11.200 been calling this series a Big Brother as the backyard Survivor, 0:06:11.240 --> 0:06:14.960 which is I am not interested in seeing people do challenges, 0:06:15.160 --> 0:06:18.080 especially people who we don't even know. I know there 0:06:18.160 --> 0:06:21.000 used to be Friday night games, but literally you could 0:06:21.040 --> 0:06:23.120 just not watch that if you weren't interested and you 0:06:23.160 --> 0:06:25.400 didn't lose out on anything that was going on in 0:06:25.400 --> 0:06:25.839 the house. 0:06:26.560 --> 0:06:27.400 The thing about. 0:06:27.120 --> 0:06:30.440 Friday night games, which was good was remember whoever won, 0:06:30.640 --> 0:06:33.120 they then had some huge booze up in the oh 0:06:33.160 --> 0:06:35.520 I love the piss up in a hideaway or whatever. 0:06:36.040 --> 0:06:38.440 I know that's love Island, but whatever, it was, yeah 0:06:38.680 --> 0:06:39.440 and now. 0:06:40.000 --> 0:06:42.479 And also with Friday night games, they were kind of 0:06:42.560 --> 0:06:44.239 funny games everyone can get behind. 0:06:44.279 --> 0:06:45.840 But these just are boring, like. 0:06:45.760 --> 0:06:49.560 People swinging and ice melting. We might as well been 0:06:49.600 --> 0:06:51.880 watching paint dry, because that's what it felt like watching 0:06:51.880 --> 0:06:53.040 a block of ice dry. 0:06:53.360 --> 0:06:54.480 The only funny thing. 0:06:54.320 --> 0:06:58.559 About that ice challenge though, sorry melts. The only funny 0:06:58.600 --> 0:07:01.400 thing about that ice challenge though, Did anyone else notice 0:07:01.400 --> 0:07:03.240 that it looked like when the guys were trying to 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:05.640 get their flags out. It looked like they were having 0:07:05.760 --> 0:07:07.840 sort of a inappropriate motion. 0:07:07.720 --> 0:07:09.400 In their hands. Big Brother on cut. 0:07:09.520 --> 0:07:11.120 Yeah, it was a big Big Brother own cut for 0:07:11.160 --> 0:07:13.800 my liking. Well, it got pretty sick when Daniel tried 0:07:13.800 --> 0:07:16.040 to piss on the ice. I thought that was too far, 0:07:16.680 --> 0:07:18.760 So I actually thought that was something that was slightly 0:07:18.800 --> 0:07:20.240 exciting that happened. 0:07:19.920 --> 0:07:22.000 What him getting his penis out, But at least it 0:07:22.040 --> 0:07:22.760 was entertaining. 0:07:22.840 --> 0:07:25.600 We're going back to your question about the nominations. What 0:07:25.680 --> 0:07:28.560 I thought was so odd is the whole idea of 0:07:28.560 --> 0:07:31.280 Big Brother has been for people to cast a number 0:07:31.280 --> 0:07:33.600 of votes and actually give their reason as to why 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:35.440 they don't want to live with these housemates. I mean, 0:07:35.680 --> 0:07:37.280 back in the day, there used to be an hour 0:07:37.320 --> 0:07:40.520 and a half long nomination session. Now people don't actually 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:42.840 have to have a legitimate reason or they don't give 0:07:42.840 --> 0:07:44.400 a certain number of votes out. 0:07:44.600 --> 0:07:46.000 Well, can you imagine. 0:07:45.600 --> 0:07:48.520 If this voting style was back in the first series, 0:07:48.880 --> 0:07:51.840 Sarah Marie probably would have been voted out the first week. 0:07:52.080 --> 0:07:54.800 And it's giving housemates really trivial as you said, well 0:07:54.800 --> 0:07:57.760 not even excuses. But for example, if someone's snoring in 0:07:57.800 --> 0:08:00.840 the house, that's super entertaining. They can them out and 0:08:00.880 --> 0:08:02.960 we as viewers miss out, So we just are going 0:08:03.000 --> 0:08:06.640 to see the people who were most pleasant to live with. Yeah, 0:08:06.640 --> 0:08:10.120 and I think what was interesting about the previous nomination 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:12.880 process was that they were all secret, so no one 0:08:12.920 --> 0:08:15.440 was allowed to talk about who they were nominating, so 0:08:15.680 --> 0:08:18.480 people could actually then invest time into their friendship. And 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:20.520 you could have given Daniel two votes for snoring and 0:08:20.640 --> 0:08:23.040 he probably wouldn't have been voted out if he was entertaining. 0:08:23.320 --> 0:08:24.960 But now it's like people are all I mean, I 0:08:24.960 --> 0:08:26.920 suppose that's the point. They want people to turn on 0:08:27.000 --> 0:08:29.720 each other, but I do feel at the moment the 0:08:29.760 --> 0:08:32.240 house has got that cool kid vibe and it's like 0:08:32.679 --> 0:08:34.680 the King and the Queen of the House ruling it 0:08:34.760 --> 0:08:37.360 at the moment, and I don't really like that. But 0:08:37.720 --> 0:08:40.679 as you would, you touched on this new voting system, 0:08:40.720 --> 0:08:43.720 the inevitable result is the people who are annoying and 0:08:43.840 --> 0:08:45.800 interesting to watch they're just going to get rid of. 0:08:45.840 --> 0:08:48.120 So we're going to be left with some mediocre, plain 0:08:48.360 --> 0:08:49.160 boring people. 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:50.360 That's what happened with Alan. 0:08:50.960 --> 0:08:53.840 It'll be really interesting to see how that affects Ian. 0:08:53.920 --> 0:08:55.760 So he was, of course the guy that's come in 0:08:55.800 --> 0:08:58.400 to make friends because he is a little bit socially 0:08:58.440 --> 0:09:01.160 awkward and I feel like he will be a favorite 0:09:01.480 --> 0:09:05.240 amongst Australia, but maybe some people will see that as 0:09:05.240 --> 0:09:07.240 a threat, or maybe he just doesn't have it in 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:09.560 him to play the game. I feel quite sorry for 0:09:09.640 --> 0:09:12.440 him because when I saw his little intro tape, I 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:14.959 just thought, is he just in there for people to 0:09:15.000 --> 0:09:16.040 snigger and laugh at? 0:09:16.200 --> 0:09:17.839 I think he's an actor. I'm sorry. 0:09:17.880 --> 0:09:21.199 I don't actually think that he would genuinely say those things, 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:23.120 like the scene when they went to him looking at 0:09:23.160 --> 0:09:23.920 the fish. 0:09:24.120 --> 0:09:24.640 I don't know. 0:09:24.720 --> 0:09:26.560 It just all seemed a bit hammed up to me. 0:09:26.640 --> 0:09:28.839 Maybe not have a name for his squid. He's there 0:09:28.880 --> 0:09:30.959 hugging this plush toy squid. Yeah, it doesn't have a 0:09:31.040 --> 0:09:34.160 name and is the most imaginative name Sonya can come 0:09:34.240 --> 0:09:37.760 up with is squiddy. That's disappointing. Well, Bis, back to 0:09:37.800 --> 0:09:40.640 your point about actors. There has been a Daily Mail 0:09:40.760 --> 0:09:43.560 article which has come out accusing two of the housemates 0:09:43.600 --> 0:09:46.959 as being actors, and that's Xavier and Talia. I mean 0:09:46.960 --> 0:09:50.360 when they say secret actors, basically they have done acting before. 0:09:50.559 --> 0:09:53.880 So who know, pretty obvious that people that are wanting 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:55.439 to be in the limelight, are going to go on 0:09:55.520 --> 0:09:58.240 Big Brother for fame, and they might have acting experience. 0:09:58.320 --> 0:10:00.360 Can I just say, if these people are actually I 0:10:00.400 --> 0:10:02.400 would hope for a lot more entertainment than what is 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:05.600 being offered at the moment. Well, on the whole acting thing, 0:10:05.800 --> 0:10:08.840 what disappoints me the most about this series of Big 0:10:08.880 --> 0:10:12.800 Brother is the fact that it's pre recorded, because felt 0:10:12.800 --> 0:10:15.319 like there was an element of excitement, the fact that 0:10:15.360 --> 0:10:18.440 the house was going on while we were watching in 0:10:18.679 --> 0:10:21.680 that live element, and you actually felt like it was accountable, 0:10:21.679 --> 0:10:23.360 Like you could go on to the Big Brother website 0:10:23.400 --> 0:10:26.240 and there were literally people paid to write down everything 0:10:26.280 --> 0:10:28.800 the contestants were saying, and you could of course check 0:10:28.840 --> 0:10:31.960 in with up late and you felt engaged. So you 0:10:31.960 --> 0:10:34.600 don't feel engaged because it's already been decided. I just 0:10:34.640 --> 0:10:38.080 feel like the whole series screams low budget, and you 0:10:38.120 --> 0:10:41.720 can see from Seven's perspective why they have been cautious. 0:10:41.800 --> 0:10:44.160 I mean, in my opinion, the house is a lot 0:10:44.200 --> 0:10:47.280 smaller than in previous years. See, I actually liked the house. 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:49.040 I thought it looked pretty cool. I just got a 0:10:49.040 --> 0:10:52.200 look time I was watching on my iPad, so it 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:54.480 kind of looks like the villa they had on Love Island, 0:10:54.480 --> 0:10:57.080 Australia and Fiji Small and POxy. The other thing is 0:10:57.120 --> 0:10:59.360 you were talking about the excitement of having the crowd 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:02.880 and it being in real time. I think back to yeah, 0:11:02.880 --> 0:11:05.080 the first the first few series, and there was that 0:11:05.120 --> 0:11:08.200 buzz of excitement. And also in the first year you 0:11:08.320 --> 0:11:12.440 knew that Channel ten had invested in Big Brother because 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:14.120 they'd built an all purpose house. 0:11:14.240 --> 0:11:15.840 It just had this real buzz about it. 0:11:15.880 --> 0:11:18.040 The fact that it was tied in with was it 0:11:18.120 --> 0:11:20.040 dream World or whatever, Well I think that was a 0:11:20.040 --> 0:11:23.160 cool element. Because it's not filmed on the Gold Coast anymore. 0:11:23.200 --> 0:11:25.559 It's now in Manly. I don't know, it just it 0:11:25.600 --> 0:11:26.679 doesn't it's not the same. 0:11:26.840 --> 0:11:27.840 But I felt like there. 0:11:27.720 --> 0:11:30.400 Was something for everyone. I mean, as kids, you could 0:11:30.440 --> 0:11:33.000 go along to the live evictions and get dressed up 0:11:33.040 --> 0:11:35.760 in you know, your Pooh Bear pajamas and bunny Is 0:11:35.760 --> 0:11:38.160 to represent Sarah Marie. But now there's nothing, and I 0:11:38.240 --> 0:11:42.160 just feel like it's now just this really family friendly vibe. 0:11:42.280 --> 0:11:45.240 Before there was something for everyone with up Late or Uncut, 0:11:45.360 --> 0:11:47.880 you know, there were so many different elements to please everyone. 0:11:48.040 --> 0:11:50.720 And think back to the series that were really popular. 0:11:50.800 --> 0:11:52.240 They all had massive twists. 0:11:52.280 --> 0:11:54.280 I think it was either the second or third series 0:11:54.480 --> 0:11:58.319 they brought in the twins, the Logan Brothers. That was like, yeah, 0:11:58.360 --> 0:12:01.559 whenever they brought that in, and that was an amazing twist. 0:12:01.600 --> 0:12:03.640 And there's been mother and daughter maybe that was the 0:12:03.679 --> 0:12:08.160 second year, Crystal Dmerherst a really young mother and then 0:12:08.200 --> 0:12:10.440 what was our twist this year? But the thing is 0:12:10.480 --> 0:12:13.480 with the twist, it's like all they've done is go 0:12:13.559 --> 0:12:15.880 back to basics but left out all the good parts 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:19.480 because amy our twist was the fact that Kieran was 0:12:19.520 --> 0:12:22.120 asked to do a secret challenge on the first night. 0:12:22.200 --> 0:12:25.080 I've always had secrets, so that was so lame. It 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:27.960 was literally like slapstick comedy. Oh, let's get him to 0:12:28.080 --> 0:12:30.720 massage someone, Let's give them together a name. The whole 0:12:30.760 --> 0:12:34.000 thing is, though, everyone has been calling for more diversity 0:12:34.040 --> 0:12:37.240 in the house and so people can have those really 0:12:37.280 --> 0:12:41.120 interesting conversations that then spark the public to have conversations 0:12:41.120 --> 0:12:43.720 around the water cooler at work. I think what they 0:12:43.760 --> 0:12:46.040 should have had is each week a bit like how 0:12:46.080 --> 0:12:48.000 they have the Math's dinner party. They should have a 0:12:48.120 --> 0:12:51.439 huge dinner party and people put in questions like, for instance, 0:12:51.640 --> 0:12:55.480 we could have questions about people's sexuality, the Black Lives 0:12:55.520 --> 0:12:57.880 Matter movement, things that are going to get people talking, 0:12:57.920 --> 0:13:00.880 and we're gonna hear lots of different opinions, different Australogy. 0:13:01.040 --> 0:13:03.720 Difficult for a commercial network to put themselves out like 0:13:03.760 --> 0:13:06.640 that and air those sort of conversations. Podcast are so 0:13:06.760 --> 0:13:10.520 popular now because people want conversations that aren't edited, which 0:13:10.559 --> 0:13:13.680 something like up late actually could provide. I'd love to 0:13:13.679 --> 0:13:17.000 see some of them just sitting around talking about important issues. 0:13:17.040 --> 0:13:19.560 So that's the issue with having it all focused on 0:13:19.640 --> 0:13:22.880 strategy and the game. We only are hearing conversations about 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:25.880 who's voting who, and it's like I don't want to 0:13:26.080 --> 0:13:28.880 I literally want to sit and watch like I used 0:13:28.880 --> 0:13:31.320 to do with Christian Reggie, eating em and ms and 0:13:31.360 --> 0:13:34.160 talking shit. That's a big brother is I mean, I 0:13:34.200 --> 0:13:36.760 think the fact as well is it is. Even though 0:13:36.760 --> 0:13:39.600 they've revented it, it is a very outdated concept. You 0:13:39.600 --> 0:13:42.440 think since the last episode aired, we've had shows like 0:13:42.600 --> 0:13:46.600 Love Island, We've had you know, Too Hot to Handle, recently, Maths, 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:48.800 all these shows where people are filmed twenty four to 0:13:48.800 --> 0:13:50.760 seven and we get this fly on the wall look 0:13:51.000 --> 0:13:52.840 so We're kind of past the point of just watching 0:13:52.840 --> 0:13:53.480 people sit. 0:13:53.360 --> 0:13:55.440 In the house, like there's got to be something else 0:13:55.520 --> 0:13:55.840 to it. 0:13:55.960 --> 0:13:58.320 As you said, even Jeordie, sure, there was a full 0:13:58.400 --> 0:14:00.839 twenty four to seven feeling about that show you saw 0:14:00.880 --> 0:14:03.839 people having sex. It's literally not that I want to 0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:06.319 see that on TV. But as you said, there's nothing. 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:09.240 It's just like, oh, I'm trying to vote you for 0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:11.400 living in a house. They've all just been living in 0:14:11.440 --> 0:14:14.600 our houses, locked away for months and months, and there's 0:14:14.600 --> 0:14:15.800 no tea bags. 0:14:16.160 --> 0:14:16.720 Who care? 0:14:17.280 --> 0:14:20.040 I actually do really like Angela though she's probably my favorite. 0:14:20.120 --> 0:14:21.440 I like her too, But. 0:14:21.440 --> 0:14:24.200 I'm just saying I could imagine that maybe being a 0:14:24.280 --> 0:14:26.640 topic in the first series A Big Brother. But as 0:14:26.680 --> 0:14:29.600 you said, really sorry, the first series was the best. 0:14:29.800 --> 0:14:31.960 It was the best series, but we were first introduced 0:14:32.000 --> 0:14:34.680 to reality TV and it was more entertaining just seeing 0:14:34.720 --> 0:14:37.360 people live in a house and having that experience of 0:14:37.360 --> 0:14:39.160 fly on the wall. Now, as you said, we've seen 0:14:39.200 --> 0:14:42.320 Geordie show people having sex, We've seen Love Island, you know, 0:14:42.440 --> 0:14:44.840 huge relations but even like the twists on X on 0:14:44.880 --> 0:14:47.560 the Beach getting people's exes into course trouble, how are 0:14:47.560 --> 0:14:49.640 they trying to cause trouble what by getting rid of 0:14:49.720 --> 0:14:52.400 people's vices. That being said, though, just back to the 0:14:52.440 --> 0:14:54.600 casting of the show, I think it's fair to say 0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:56.280 that a lot of the people who were put in 0:14:56.320 --> 0:14:58.800 on the first episode, you could describe them as a 0:14:58.800 --> 0:15:01.560 little bit of misfits. See Ian and Kieran's a bit 0:15:01.560 --> 0:15:04.640 of a misfit, which is obviously great to see, but 0:15:04.800 --> 0:15:07.680 then isn't well. I feel like they add something to it, 0:15:07.720 --> 0:15:10.240 but I almost feel like there's too many misfits. I 0:15:10.240 --> 0:15:12.800 feel like that was almost the twist everyone was expecting, 0:15:12.960 --> 0:15:15.160 you know, the girl who wants the Instagram followers to 0:15:15.160 --> 0:15:17.720 come into the house, and now they've put in some 0:15:17.800 --> 0:15:20.320 sort of more typical hotties. They've got the male model, 0:15:20.720 --> 0:15:22.440 and they've got the you know, the blonde girl that 0:15:22.520 --> 0:15:23.200 is apparently going. 0:15:23.200 --> 0:15:25.200 To hook up PA's not blonde's brunette or whatever. 0:15:25.280 --> 0:15:27.320 Can I just say I love Garth I think it 0:15:27.400 --> 0:15:30.960 is who is the flamboyant guy with the flower on 0:15:31.000 --> 0:15:33.640 his shirt. He actually won the challenge, which was amazing. 0:15:33.720 --> 0:15:35.760 He is just wonderful. I really would like to see 0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:37.920 him win. But that's, you know, two episodes in. I 0:15:37.960 --> 0:15:41.640 think another point is the reason that the previous series 0:15:41.640 --> 0:15:44.240 of Big Brother didn't rate very well. Is we didn't 0:15:44.240 --> 0:15:46.840 see enough of the housemates. Yeah, so that was a 0:15:46.960 --> 0:15:49.040 series when they got rid of up Late and they 0:15:49.040 --> 0:15:52.000 got rid of I think Friday night games and also uncut, 0:15:52.160 --> 0:15:54.480 and it literally was just a really edited I mean 0:15:54.800 --> 0:15:58.160 not anywhere you're as edited as this pre recorded version is. 0:15:58.200 --> 0:16:00.160 But it was just very half an hour and that's it. 0:16:00.560 --> 0:16:02.720 I would have thought Channel seven would have really been 0:16:02.720 --> 0:16:06.120 trying to push viewers to their back channel seven plus, 0:16:06.400 --> 0:16:09.160 and in doing so would have had something like up Late. 0:16:09.200 --> 0:16:11.560 I know they can't have that obviously because it's not live, 0:16:11.640 --> 0:16:13.240 but have something ad it. 0:16:13.320 --> 0:16:14.120 Do you know what? Though? 0:16:14.120 --> 0:16:15.960 They could have had up Late, do you know? Because 0:16:16.080 --> 0:16:18.000 the worst thing when you chuned into uplate was when 0:16:18.000 --> 0:16:19.880 the housemates were asleep. Do you guys remember that? 0:16:19.920 --> 0:16:21.080 You're like, oh no. 0:16:21.480 --> 0:16:23.560 But what they could have done is they've got all 0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:26.880 of the tapes apparently of the whole night. Why don't 0:16:26.880 --> 0:16:29.440 they take highlights and do Uplate from that. 0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:32.200 Night actually show quality stuff? I suppose the whole. 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:34.520 Edited fact though, because you don't want it to feel edited, 0:16:34.600 --> 0:16:36.080 you just want it to be a live stream. But 0:16:36.160 --> 0:16:39.200 they could just live stream an actual exciting conversation. Do 0:16:39.280 --> 0:16:41.720 you think they got rid of the live element because 0:16:41.840 --> 0:16:44.400 you know when Big Brother kind of turned bad when 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:46.960 the Turkey slap incident happened. Do you think that's why 0:16:47.000 --> 0:16:48.880 they've kind of tried to make it. 0:16:48.920 --> 0:16:49.680 I think so. 0:16:49.960 --> 0:16:52.600 I think they definitely face lots of troubles with just 0:16:52.920 --> 0:16:55.520 live streaming the house because I remember on certain occasions 0:16:55.520 --> 0:16:58.400 people would swear or say inappropriate things. Do you know 0:16:58.440 --> 0:17:01.240 what the thing is is that no networks are willing 0:17:01.280 --> 0:17:03.720 to take a risk on a show that doesn't actually 0:17:04.160 --> 0:17:06.360 suit all of the demographics or fit. 0:17:06.240 --> 0:17:06.760