1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:02,760 Speaker 1: Do you drink enough water or do you even know 2 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 1: how much is enough? Or do you think that if 3 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:08,240 Speaker 1: you drink enough water or drink more water it should 4 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 1: help with weight loss? Today on the Nutrition Couch Podcast, 5 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: we are going to talk about all things water and 6 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: specifically will it help with the backloss? Hi, I'm Cussi 7 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:20,439 Speaker 1: Burrow lean Wood and as two of us jays leading 8 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: dieticians who specialize in evidence based nutrition, we bring you 9 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: the Nutrition Couch Podcast, a bi weekly chat on everything 10 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: that is new in the world of food, diets and nutrition, 11 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:33,880 Speaker 1: as well as water and weight loss. Today we discuss 12 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 1: the latest research on foods that have a very close 13 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 1: link to developing some types of cancer and with the 14 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:43,200 Speaker 1: price of fresh fruit and vegies through the roof, Leanne 15 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: and I share our favorite budget friendly meals. But to 16 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:50,879 Speaker 1: kick us off today, Liann, you and I had a 17 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 1: feature We're Very Lucky in the Korean male weekend magazine 18 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: about us and the podcast, and one of the questions 19 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: that the interviewer had asked us was there any foods 20 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 1: that we would never feed to our children? And we 21 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: did this separately. Both of us came back and said 22 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:12,399 Speaker 1: that we would not give our kids soft drink, and 23 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 1: that was not by chance, was it? When we take 24 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:17,559 Speaker 1: a look at a recent media headline that's come out 25 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 1: associating with sugar sugar drink, so full strength soft drink 26 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 1: with some increased risk of developing some types of cancer, 27 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 1: So soft drink, Why did the dietitians hate it? 28 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 2: So it wasn't just soft drink. Zuozie I found this 29 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:34,959 Speaker 2: an article quite interesting because it was actually just they 30 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 2: called it a sugar sweetened beverage. So when they looked 31 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 2: at the research drinking just one sugar sweetened beverage, So 32 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 2: that included things like tea and coffee. If you add one, two, 33 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:46,039 Speaker 2: three four, if you add syrup into your tea and coffee, 34 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 2: if you add honey, that is a sugar sweetened beverage. 35 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 2: If you have just one of those a day, including juice, 36 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 2: including soft drink, including what's that stuff that everyone loves, 37 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 2: a bubble tea bubble. 38 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: Tea coconut water bubble tea coconut water iced TEA. 39 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 2: Sugar sweetened beverage a day is linked to an increased 40 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 2: chance of liver cancer. So there was an additional risk 41 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:09,919 Speaker 2: as high as seventy eight percent for those who drank 42 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 2: sugar sweetened beverages beverages each day, so we know that 43 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 2: there's a huge link between liver cancer and alcohol. And 44 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:18,079 Speaker 2: we now know, SUSI, from some new research, that there's 45 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 2: a big link between liver cancer and sugar sweetened beverages. 46 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 2: So what we know, Susie, is that liver cancer is 47 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 2: diagnosed around two eight hundred times per year in Australia 48 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:30,519 Speaker 2: and sadly, two thousand and four hundred of those result 49 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 2: in death. So it's actually a cancer with a really 50 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 2: really high mortality rate, which is which is really quite sad. 51 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 3: And so this new research. 52 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 2: Analyzed ninety thousand post menopausal women who participated in the 53 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:45,799 Speaker 2: Women's Health Initiative and Research Study, which has launched way 54 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:48,080 Speaker 2: back in the nineteen nineties, so they followed these ladies, 55 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:50,920 Speaker 2: Susie for a very long time. And I think it's 56 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 2: something that it needs to be talked about because I 57 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 2: think that everybody sort of understands that sugar is not great. 58 00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 2: We shouldn't be given, you know, sugar to children. But 59 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 2: the amount of time I see kids in supermarkets or 60 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 2: in you know, walking around my local Westfield pushing a 61 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 2: parent's pushing prams and the kids holding a bottle of coke, 62 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 2: with the kids holding a juice box or something like that, 63 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:12,920 Speaker 2: And I just think that we really need to, I guess, 64 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 2: be on top of some of this research and what 65 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:16,519 Speaker 2: it can do to our health long term. So sure, 66 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 2: giving a kid a couple of SIPs of soft drink 67 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 2: as a special occasion isn't going to do you know, 68 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 2: isn't going to do much. It's going to be absolutely 69 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 2: okay in moderation. But if you're a family that has 70 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 2: soft drink at the table a couple of times each week, 71 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:29,839 Speaker 2: or kids are used to having that regularly, I think 72 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 2: that we really need to take a long, hard look 73 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 2: at what we're doing on a daily basis because there's 74 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 2: some really strong research coming out that sugar sweetened beverages 75 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 2: are not good for our health, particularly long term. 76 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 1: No, we don't like them, so to give a reference 77 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: point about why they're so bad for us, Now, I'm 78 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: not taking away from it. It's adding any sugars, but 79 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: let's be honest. You know, soft drinks, buddy bottle of 80 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: six hundred meals of eventing, kind of cola, lemonade, Fanta, 81 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: whatever it is, we still have way too much of them. 82 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: We know that the largest consumer in Australia are teenage boys. 83 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: I think on average they consume something like six hundred 84 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 1: milk a day. And the issue with that is, of 85 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: course they developed the habits of carrying it right through adulthood. 86 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 1: Then that's not to take away with the growing interest 87 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 1: in things like bubble tea, which seemed to be popping 88 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 1: up everywhere, including Darwin, where I've just been, like there 89 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 1: was a handful of shops and one of them is 90 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 1: a bubble tea place. Coconut water, like you said, it's 91 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 1: the also the concentrated sugar and juices, any kind of 92 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 1: flavored drinks in general. So as a reference, you know, 93 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 1: a buddy bottle of soft drink has got thirteen teaspoons 94 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: of sugar. Now, and I just saw an article today 95 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: actually to talk about where how is it possible that 96 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 1: people think that's any good for us? If you saw 97 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 1: that amount of sugar, like spooning out thirteen teaspoons, the 98 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: volume of that in one sitting for our glucose controller, liver, 99 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:47,160 Speaker 1: you know, our brain, our dental health. You know, how 100 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 1: could that ever be considered healthy or should be consumed 101 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 1: at any concentrated level. You know, nine teaspoons in a can, like, 102 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 1: it's just so toxic for us. I absolutely would not 103 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 1: ever give it to my kids now, you know. When 104 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: I was growing up and like you, we would have 105 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:04,040 Speaker 1: things like lemonade a parties. Absolutely, and I'm even horrified 106 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:07,039 Speaker 1: now to think it. I can say I've never really 107 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: given my kids it, nor would I because I feel 108 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: so very strongly. I've only just started to allow them 109 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: have a little bit of fruit juice because, yeah, we 110 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: do know how closely associated it is with weight gain, obesity, 111 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:20,559 Speaker 1: and now you know some of these very specific links 112 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 1: to cancer, and it's no surprise that would be liver 113 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: cancer given that one of the primary areas of glucose 114 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:26,599 Speaker 1: metabolism is in the liver. 115 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 4: So yeah, we can't stress enough. 116 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 1: You know, it's not a matter of having just an 117 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 1: occasional can of coke or having kids as a treat. 118 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 4: You know, it's really a toxic food. It should be 119 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 4: labeled as such. 120 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 1: And you would argue perhaps that it needs to be, 121 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:42,359 Speaker 1: you know, labeled similar to tobacco, where people see that 122 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:45,039 Speaker 1: volume of sugar and I guarantee if you saw the 123 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: pile of white sugar in front of the label you 124 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: would think twice about putting that in your body, particularly, 125 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: and that there are now low sugar alternatives, you know, 126 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:57,719 Speaker 1: with natural sweetness. We're not saying that diet soft drinks better, 127 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:00,840 Speaker 1: but it's certainly better from a sugar health perspective. If 128 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 1: you must include some soft drink, you know, that is 129 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 1: a million times better, ever than including ones that have 130 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 1: the full strength in them. And over time, I believe 131 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:12,359 Speaker 1: there'll be more and more with natural sweetness as opposed 132 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 1: to the artificial, which still dominate. The main brands like 133 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 1: Zero and Pepsimax. Then you can see that with that 134 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 1: very specific flavor profile they do have. But I believe 135 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:23,160 Speaker 1: over time what will happen with big industries is they 136 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 1: will develop natural alternatives just based on health data and 137 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: consumer demand. But you know, the recommendation for added sugars 138 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: is twenty five grams. You know, thirteen teaspoons of sugar 139 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 1: is close to forty grams of sugar going into the 140 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 1: diet in one serve. It's just really alarming on so 141 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 1: many levels because this evidence is out there and yet 142 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 1: a lot of us still ignore it, particularly in that 143 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: young male range where they develop habits that they will carry. 144 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 2: Through absolutely so I'll just go back over this. This to 145 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 2: six is exal. I'll just so they're quite shocking. So 146 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 2: and as I will reinforce that the study was based 147 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 2: on postmenopause or women. So really the research was shown 148 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 2: that women who had one or more sugar sweating beverages daily, 149 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 2: so every single day, at least one, we're seventy eight 150 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 2: percent more likely to develop liver cancer. And those consuming 151 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 2: at least one soft drink per day with seventy three 152 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 2: percent more likely to develop liver cancer compared to those 153 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 2: who had either none so none at all soft drink 154 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 2: or only three per months so very very occasionally. So 155 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 2: it's really about the dose and the frequency that we're 156 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 2: concerned about. If you're going out for a drink and 157 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 2: you know you don't drink calcol and you have a 158 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 2: lemonade with your friends once or twice a month, it's 159 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 2: probably absolutely okay. 160 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 3: Right, this is. 161 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 2: Really something that it is a daily habit consumption that 162 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 2: we're really looking for. But there was a big limitation 163 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 2: of the study, Suzi. The study was an observational study, 164 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 2: so they followed these women over time. So an observational 165 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 2: study is not our highest type of research. That we 166 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 2: can find. What this really means is that we can't 167 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 2: be certain that there's a link. It's not a causation 168 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 2: type of link. We can't say that doing this causes this, 169 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 2: but it does show that it is a potential that 170 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 2: they may be more likely to cause liver cancer. So 171 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 2: I think it's just something to be aware of, particularly 172 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 2: if you're somebody that regularly has sugar sweeten beverages or 173 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 2: soft drink in your diet. I think it's something just 174 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 2: to be very aware of that this new research is 175 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 2: out there. But if you're somebody that enjoys it occasionally 176 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 2: at a party once a month, I personally wouldn't stress 177 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 2: out about it, but you know, it is something that 178 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 2: we definitely want to keep to a small percentage children, kids, absolutely, 179 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 2: not adults. You know, occasionally is absolutely okay. It's really 180 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 2: about that moderation. But if you're someone that's doing it 181 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 2: regularly each week or even on a daily basis, it'd 182 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:33,679 Speaker 2: be something that I would be really looking to swap 183 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:36,719 Speaker 2: out as usimnsum with something else, like a diet sort 184 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 2: of soft drink or something with a more natural sweetener base, 185 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 2: or something like a sparkling mineral water, which has a 186 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 2: little bit of natural sweetener in there as well. 187 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:46,319 Speaker 1: And for me, it's about really being very clear as 188 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:49,319 Speaker 1: parents to not establish the habits in childhood and adolescents, 189 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 1: because let's be honest, adults are in a position to 190 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 1: make an informed decision about things. You know, we know 191 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 1: there's risks associated with a range of behavior, whether it's 192 00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 1: drinking alcohol, whether it's a high fat diet, you know, 193 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: and then adults, you know, ideally will make an informed 194 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: decision about that. So we can only share the health 195 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 1: based information and suggest people cut back. But as parents, 196 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 1: you know and cares, we do have the responsibility to 197 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: know that eating habits developed in childhood and adolescents are 198 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: likely to maintain through adulthood. And in the case of 199 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 1: teenagers who are big consumers of bubble teas, of sugar 200 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: sweetened drinks overall that you know, not encouraging it at home, 201 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 1: not keeping it at home, really keeping a limit on it, 202 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 1: and giving and guiding teams with you know that it's 203 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: really unhealthy for us, you know, water should be the 204 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 1: drink of choice, and trying not to establish those habits 205 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 1: because I find with parents, you know, there is a 206 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: belief sometimes that teenagers, particularly teenage boys, should be able 207 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 1: to drink what they want. You know, they're very active, 208 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: they're playing rugby, they're doing rowing. You know, they can 209 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 1: have sports drink. They can have these drinks, whereas I think, 210 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:51,079 Speaker 1: you know, we have the power to share the message 211 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 1: that no one should be having them, and even in 212 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 1: those instances, there's sugar free varieties. So I think that's 213 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: where we can be most powerful is not encouraging those 214 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:03,559 Speaker 1: habits to developing in young adolescents and young adulthood, because 215 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 1: that's going to have the most profound effect on our 216 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 1: health outcome long term. So if you are a parent 217 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 1: caring for teens, a teacher, you know, sending that message 218 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: to them about how toxic it is will be very 219 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 1: powerful in changing the behaviors of generations and as such 220 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:18,319 Speaker 1: impacting those health variables long term. 221 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 2: And that probably leads us nicely into our client case 222 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:23,319 Speaker 2: study of the week, Susie. So this is still talking 223 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 2: about I guess families out there and really talking about 224 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 2: budget friendly. So we know at the moment that the 225 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 2: cost of fresh fruit and veggies is rising dramatically. You know, 226 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 2: we know that there's logistical issues within Australia from the flooding, 227 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 2: you know, from COVID, from border closures, all that sort 228 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 2: of thing. The cost of living at the moment is 229 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 2: sky high. You know, interest rates are going up, the 230 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 2: fruit and veggies are going up. Stuff isn't even available. 231 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:46,839 Speaker 2: You know, we've heard of reports a thing of let 232 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:49,559 Speaker 2: us cost twelve dollars, Susie. So we here on the 233 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 2: Nutrition Couch want to provide our families with as many 234 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 2: budget friendly ideas as we can. And in the last 235 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 2: podcast that we did, Susi, we shared our best budget 236 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 2: friendly tips, and this podcast we've been asked by our 237 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 2: listeners to provide our favorite budget friendly meals. So I 238 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 2: will go first easy. You guys know, I'm a big 239 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:07,680 Speaker 2: fan of my slow cooker and my air fries. So 240 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 2: buying something like an appliance, of course, it's going to 241 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 2: be an investment from the outset, but I do really 242 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 2: think that it's a strong investment that's going to save 243 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 2: you money over time. So I love my slow cooka, 244 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 2: particularly in winter sushi, something like a nice warming chickpea curry. 245 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:23,559 Speaker 2: You can throw some tofu in there if you want, 246 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 2: If not, just make it bean based that served with 247 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 2: some brown rice and a ton of veggies is one 248 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:31,079 Speaker 2: of my favorite winter warming budget friendly meals. I love 249 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 2: a tofu sturf right. I personally only like the hard 250 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 2: tofu has to be marinated. I love to serve it 251 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 2: with some rice noodles, brown rice noodles if you can 252 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:40,680 Speaker 2: get it even better. I love a Mexican bean bowl. 253 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 2: Like a nice smoky bean Mexician mixture, tin of tomatoes, 254 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 2: smoky paprika, garlic, onion, you know, a nice base of spices, 255 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:49,559 Speaker 2: bit of chili flakes in there. Throw a whole heap 256 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 2: of veggies in there. Serve it with some rice or 257 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 2: maybe some corn chips on the side, a little bit 258 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:55,439 Speaker 2: of fresh creek yogurt and some avocado. I love a 259 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:58,440 Speaker 2: nice Mexican bean bowl. Another really budget friendly meal is 260 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 2: using potatoes. Potatoes a great carbohydrate sauce. If you cook 261 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 2: and cool them down, the resistance starch inside them provides 262 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 2: wonderful benefits from a gut health perspective. I love stuffed potatoes. 263 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 2: You know, cut them open, leave them in their jackets, 264 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 2: stuff them with minceal beans, and then cover them with 265 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 2: a little bit of cheese and a big thing a 266 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:17,079 Speaker 2: salad or some veggies on side. I think potatoes are 267 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:20,560 Speaker 2: seriously underrated as a vegetable, sousi. You can call them 268 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 2: a car being, call them a veggie, whatever you want, 269 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 2: but I think they're seriously underrated. 270 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 3: They're cheapest chips. There are some really really good. 271 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 2: Options out there. I think we should review potatoes actually 272 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 2: for the product of the root, because there's some great 273 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 2: like lower GI options, lower carb options out there. But 274 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 2: that you know, some stuff potatoes. Minceal beans one of 275 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 2: my favorites and my last twot around me out SUSI 276 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 2: love a good fried rice has to be homemade because 277 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 2: of fried rice that we get at restaurants typically has 278 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 2: a lot of processed ham and bacon and stuff in there, 279 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 2: which I'm not a fan of. I like to make 280 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 2: it myself. Keep the amount of soy sauce a bit 281 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 2: lower as well to control the amount of sodium. Like 282 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 2: to put some otamamaie beans in my fried rice as 283 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 2: well to boost the protein. Love to have a little 284 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 2: bit of egg whites as well to. 285 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 3: Boost the protein. 286 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:58,839 Speaker 2: And then my last dish is like I pretty much 287 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 2: use any available begetable in my fridge at the end 288 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 2: of the week and make a nice omelet and I 289 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 2: call it a pizza onmelet because I would throw all 290 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 2: of my veggies in there, throw the eggs on top, 291 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 2: a ton of onion, a ton of garlic, I'd cook 292 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 2: the base of it, sprinkle cheese all over the top 293 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 2: of it, and put it under the grill. 294 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 3: Or if you're an American listener, I think. 295 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 2: You guys call it a broiler. From memory, one of 296 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 2: my clients is like, what is a grill? And I 297 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:18,959 Speaker 2: was like, google it, and I was like, I think 298 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 2: you call it a broiler. And she's like, oh, no, 299 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 2: I know what you mean. So put it under the grill, 300 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 2: chrispen it up and make it nice and cheesy. And 301 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:27,440 Speaker 2: I growing up, Mum used to call that a pizza onmelet, 302 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 2: and we'd have that in our house routinely, at least. 303 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 3: Once a week. 304 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 2: Mum would use up all of the veggies. And that's 305 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 2: something that I've continued doing even as an adult, you know, 306 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 2: my young twenties, when I left home at uty, that 307 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 2: was one of my favorite budget friendly meals was to 308 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:40,079 Speaker 2: make up a good old omelet, serve it with the 309 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 2: slice of whole grain toes, and that would serve me 310 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:45,560 Speaker 2: really really well. In my sort of budget friendly university days. 311 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 2: How do you go on your household's easy? 312 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 1: Oh, I think you've stolen a lot of the good 313 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: ones fit greedy day when had debrief that before we 314 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 1: start it. I think the thing that turns me off 315 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 1: a little bit about budget stories is when you see 316 00:13:56,000 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 1: sort of things like, oh, use chicken thigh, or you 317 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 1: have a soup, Because to me, that's not equivalent meal category. 318 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 1: So the first is that sometimes we just substitute fattier 319 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 1: cuts of meat. So I don't like to do that, 320 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 1: and I certainly don't like to tell people, oh, instead 321 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 1: of having a big steak, have a soup. It's not 322 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 1: kind of comparing apples to apples, So my goshues are 323 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 1: very similar to yours. 324 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:18,679 Speaker 4: A couple of tricks I like to. 325 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 1: Use is I really think, look at the minces that 326 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: you're buying, and you can buy turkey mints, the lean one, 327 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 1: and chicken mince, which is also pretty lean, for about 328 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 1: half the price of pork or lean beef mince, and 329 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 1: they taste good. So then you can supplement them into 330 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 1: a fried rice or a spaghetti without really noticing, and 331 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: you're saving half the money. So that's my first recommendation 332 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 1: be fussy with your minces. I think I would rather 333 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 1: people have a smaller portion of breast than buy thigh 334 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 1: or drumstick. I tend to really clear stay clear of 335 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 1: those really high fat meats, and chicken thigh and drumstick 336 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: are really high fat, so they're not sort of ones 337 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 1: I want my clients to substitute in. I'm using a 338 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: lot of the coliflower rice pre mixes really, I really 339 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: like them. They're the bird's eye ones fried rice, and 340 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 1: there's a risotto now you can get two serves for 341 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 1: five dollars out of those or veggies, and you can 342 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 1: easily then add egg which is relatively inexpensive, or chicken 343 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 1: or turkey mince into the fried rice, or just have 344 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 1: a veggie mushroom zoto with extra veggies like frozen peas 345 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 1: through it really filling and really budget friendly then, because 346 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 1: they're quite inexpensive, particularly for couples, I'm like you, I 347 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 1: like the beans as a nutcho type bowl because I 348 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 1: find with men, if you take the meat away, they 349 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 1: sort of notice, whereas if you can get away with 350 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 1: a chili kon carne type meat product in a burrito bowl, 351 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 1: they're still getting the bulk that they need in delicious 352 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 1: and it's a much more budget friendly option and as 353 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 1: we know Australians, we ideally will all eat more legumes. 354 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 1: So yeah, my go to even is the fried rice 355 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: like you said, or the qualifowl rice alternative with the 356 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 1: eggs through it. The better quality minces or the beans 357 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 1: are probably my favorites without sort of swapping things like 358 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 1: for tata or soup, which I think is not kind 359 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 1: of like for like but still retur hating sort of 360 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 1: the commonality of those meals, but for a lot cheaper. 361 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 1: So yeah, I think you covered a lot, but they 362 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 1: might sort of add on. Oh my last one a 363 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 1: tuna mornae. Now I don't even like tuna very much, 364 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 1: but I'll eat a chuna mornae. And then you can 365 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 1: adjust the amount of pasta through it. You can use 366 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: a bottle sauce or mix your own with a bit 367 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 1: of milk and corn flour and then add tons of 368 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 1: veggies to it, and you can buy a massive tin 369 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 1: of tuna for five bucks. So another good one that 370 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 1: the family tends to really enjoy. 371 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 3: Absolutely. 372 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 2: One of my favorites is actually a tuna pasta like 373 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 2: a tuna spaghetti pasta. So I buy like a tuna 374 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 2: in oil, so that saves a little bit of money. 375 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 2: Use that as sort of the base. Throw some fresh 376 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 2: tomatoes in there, whatever veggies you've got in the fridge, 377 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 2: and I will actually spend a little bit more by 378 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 2: buying a better quality pasta rather than just getting sort 379 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 2: of the dollar home brand white pasta. I will one 380 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 2: hundred percent always go for a high fiber pasta, and 381 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 2: if your budget allows, go for something like a legging 382 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 2: based pasta, a chickpea pasta, a bean based pasta, because 383 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 2: it tastes pretty similar to you know, normal pasta, but 384 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 2: you're getting a lot more protein and a lot more fiber, 385 00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 2: particularly if you're doing a lot more vegetarian meals. I 386 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 2: think using something like a pulse pasta it should be 387 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 2: a really really you know, no brainer for your family 388 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 2: because you are getting the boost in terms of protein 389 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 2: and fiber just in terms of the fullness for the 390 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 2: meal as well. And it is, you know, it's a 391 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:13,919 Speaker 2: really affordable, I guess option as well. And again, like 392 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 2: the vegetarian options are so budget friendly, sometimes if I 393 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 2: do pasta Susie, I'll use a legging based pasta. I'll 394 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 2: stir through either some low fat ricotta or some low 395 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,959 Speaker 2: fat cottage cheese, because the dairy together with the lentil 396 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 2: based pasta gives a really nice complete protein source. Throw 397 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 2: and whatever veggies I've got my fridge, use a nice 398 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 2: sort of tomato based with that sort of creaminess from 399 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 2: the ricotta or the cottage cheese, and that gives a 400 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:36,680 Speaker 2: nice sort of creaming pasta, which is a lot lower 401 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:39,199 Speaker 2: calories than if you were stirring actual cream through your 402 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 2: pasture as well. So sometimes we can have some really 403 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 2: good higher protein vegetarian options as well. They're very budget 404 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:47,359 Speaker 2: friendly if we're using sort of smart products like our beans, 405 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 2: our leggings, and some of our dairy as well to 406 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 2: stir through. 407 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:52,879 Speaker 1: And it's a reminder that cheese is really expensive. I 408 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:55,479 Speaker 1: find that I can't believe the price increases in cheese 409 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 1: and dairy. But some options that you can use instead. 410 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:00,920 Speaker 1: If you buy a protein Greek star yogat that works 411 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:03,399 Speaker 1: really well to cream things up without eating cheese, and 412 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:05,920 Speaker 1: same with even some sour cream. Sour cream will last 413 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 1: a really long time in the fridge, and it's a 414 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 1: great way A spoonful of that with a ratachuwi or 415 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 1: a pasta will make things instantly creamy for a fraction 416 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 1: of fat and a lot less cheese, which is quite 417 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 1: an expensive product for families as well. So there's another 418 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:19,639 Speaker 1: couple of little little tips and tricks to you know, 419 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 1: make the family budget a bit more user friendly. And 420 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: I just recently wrote an article on supermarket staples for 421 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:26,679 Speaker 1: less than two dollars, and I can safely say that 422 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:30,920 Speaker 1: you can buy a lot of frozen veggies, individual tins 423 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:35,640 Speaker 1: of tuna, pasta rices, all those staples for reasonably inexpensive prices. 424 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:38,239 Speaker 1: And that means that then sometimes there's a bit more 425 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 1: budget left for the proteins and adding in a couple 426 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:43,399 Speaker 1: of veggie meals, and you can certainly slash your grocery 427 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:46,239 Speaker 1: budget ly. And I'm quite frugal at the supermarket, so 428 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:48,639 Speaker 1: I sort of cross what's cheap and what's not in 429 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: buying things on sale. So certainly there's a common misconception 430 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:55,399 Speaker 1: that you have to spend a lot to eat well. 431 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 1: You can certainly eat extremely well, and you would argue 432 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: even bitter by sticking to a lot of basics and 433 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 1: frozen veggies and things and cutting down your meat intake 434 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 1: overall and using sort of lean cuts wisely. 435 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 3: Definitely, Can I add one more to the suzi? Last one? Shutshuska. 436 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 3: That's how you pronounce it, isn't it? 437 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 2: The eggs Baked eggs, yeah, yeah, yeah, shaked eggs. You 438 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:19,640 Speaker 2: get the nice tomato beans in there as well, capsicerms, 439 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:25,679 Speaker 2: some spices, sharleck. You know, it's just quite embarrassing anyway, 440 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:27,119 Speaker 2: you guys are not what we mean if not getting 441 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:29,639 Speaker 2: with Google baked eggs in the nice sort of creamy 442 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 2: tomato capsicum sort of bass capsicciams at the moment are 443 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,399 Speaker 2: really really expensive, So I do sort of tomatoes with 444 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 2: a bit of maybe zucchinis or mushrooms or spinach or 445 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:39,160 Speaker 2: whatever's available whatever season or on sale at the moment. 446 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 2: Whenever you listen to this episode, you might be listening 447 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 2: to it in nine months time and it might be 448 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 2: completely different seasons. So find out what's in season. You 449 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:47,959 Speaker 2: basically cook up everything, dump it tin of tomatoes in season, 450 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:49,640 Speaker 2: it spice it up, and then you crack your eggs 451 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 2: on top and you bake it in the oven. So 452 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:53,439 Speaker 2: I'm a big fan of breakfast for dinner, Susie, but 453 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 2: it has to have veggies involved or having it for dinner. 454 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:57,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think you can get canned capsicum. I've 455 00:19:57,880 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: never used it. I don't think you can get at 456 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 1: the moment plane capsic and frozen. You can come in 457 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 1: and mix veggies, but you can get tinned now I 458 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:07,639 Speaker 1: haven't used it, but you know, perhaps worth a try too, 459 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 1: because they are really expensive capscums and they're such a 460 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: super food, but they can really add quite a few 461 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 1: dollars to the grocery shop. So there's certainly some options 462 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:19,200 Speaker 1: we can use instead, all rightly, And now our listener 463 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:22,360 Speaker 1: question which one that comes up certainly all the time 464 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 1: with my clients. But specifically we have covered before about 465 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 1: water and how much is ideal to drink for health, 466 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 1: But the specific one we wanted to take a closer 467 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 1: look at today was that does drinking more water support 468 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:39,399 Speaker 1: fat loss? And it's a little bit complicated, isn't it, 469 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 1: Because you know, there's a certain amount of fluid that 470 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:44,119 Speaker 1: the body does need, and so you would argue that 471 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: if you were dehydrated and not getting enough of that, 472 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 1: it would impair metabolism or digestion, but it's probably safe 473 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 1: to say it's not going to impair it to a 474 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 1: point of having a significant impact or weight. But certainly 475 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 1: with my clients, I think there is a bit of 476 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 1: a belief that drinking more water will facilitate fat loss. 477 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: Now of the research that I'm aware of to date, 478 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 1: there is a small amount of research to show that 479 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 1: ice cold water does increase metabolic rate, but it's by 480 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:16,199 Speaker 1: very very small amounts. I'm talking one two PM and 481 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 1: that is based on consuming quite a lot, like I'm 482 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,439 Speaker 1: talking eight glasses of ice cold water per day. So 483 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 1: if you've got sense, tis yeah, and if this time 484 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 1: are you when it's freezing, it's not something you're really 485 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 1: reaching for now. You know, it has headlined before in 486 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 1: the media about increasing fat loss, but when you take 487 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:36,920 Speaker 1: a closer look at the data, it's very very small amounts. 488 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 1: So I certainly wouldn't be encouraging my clients to drink 489 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:44,400 Speaker 1: their water ice cold to get a potential fat burning effect. 490 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 1: That is a little bit of a myth that's sort 491 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:50,679 Speaker 1: of in theoretical amounts only. So you know, basically my 492 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 1: answer is no, which is why I don't sort of 493 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 1: give my clients a lot of time talking about their 494 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,360 Speaker 1: water intake. It's important for skin and digestion and going 495 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:02,120 Speaker 1: to the bathroom for frequently. Is it going to improve 496 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,399 Speaker 1: fat loss? Technically no. It may make you feel a 497 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 1: bit better, so you exercise more or you know, go 498 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 1: to the bathroom more often, so you might feel like 499 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 1: you're losing more weight. But technically no, you're not going 500 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:15,360 Speaker 1: to lose more fat or lose weight quicker because you're 501 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 1: drinking enough or more water. Is that that's a fair servation. 502 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean I think it's a complicated one 503 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 2: because we'll drinking more water make you lose weight. No, 504 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 2: water doesn't impact the calorie burn that you will get. 505 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:32,119 Speaker 2: Put it that way, or it doesn't put you in 506 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 2: a calorie deficit. I think a lot of people think, oh, 507 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 2: the more water I drink, the more. 508 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 3: Weight I lose. 509 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:40,679 Speaker 2: No, But indirectly, drinking water can help you feel you know, 510 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 2: when you're more hydrated, you don't get us hungry. I 511 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 2: always say to clients dehydration mass hunger. So if you're dehydrated, 512 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,480 Speaker 2: you're not drinking enough. The body will sort of say 513 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 2: to you, oh, I need more, I need more, and 514 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:53,159 Speaker 2: you think you need more food, but actually you just 515 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 2: need water. And I've had a lot of clients to 516 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 2: go Leanna finished my meal I'm still hungry, and I 517 00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:58,879 Speaker 2: just look at what I've given them a meal, plum like, 518 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 2: absolutely not. There's no way you could still be hungry, 519 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 2: go and have two glasses of water. Text me in 520 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 2: twenty minutes how you feel, and ninety nine percent of 521 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 2: a time soosi they're like, oh, no, I'm fine. I 522 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 2: think I just needed more water after a meal. So 523 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 2: it doesn't directly impact that loss, but I think indirectly 524 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,920 Speaker 2: it can because if we're not drinking enough, I definitely 525 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 2: do think we feel hungrier, we tend to eat a 526 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,359 Speaker 2: lot more, and we just I think we just feel 527 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,680 Speaker 2: crappier overall. Right, We get a bit of headache, we feel 528 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,640 Speaker 2: a bit sluggish, our bows aren't working as well, and that, 529 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 2: you know, that sort of impacts our motivation to exercise, 530 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 2: to eat better. I know the last thing I want 531 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 2: to do is when I'm feeling sluggish in my gugestions 532 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 2: all over the place, I'm like, oh, I just can't 533 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 2: really be bothery're doing much at all. So I think 534 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 2: it definitely impacts us, like motivation wise and hunger wise 535 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,160 Speaker 2: as well for some of us. So it's a complicated one. 536 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 3: I think directly, no indirectly yes. 537 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 1: And indirectly, particularly in terms of training quality. You would argue, 538 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 1: so if you are someone who has a goal of 539 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,719 Speaker 1: that loss, and as part of that energy balance equation 540 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 1: are using high intensity cardigo training to trade at a 541 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 1: high level and burn more calories. If you are dehydrated, 542 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 1: you are unlikely to be able to exercise at the 543 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 1: highest intensity that you're capable, because you will be tired, 544 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 1: your energy regulation won't be as optimal as it could be. 545 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 1: You're less likely to be able to exercise for a 546 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 1: sustained period of time. So you could also say that 547 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 1: in order to support training at high intensity, you want 548 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 1: to be optimally hydrated, and hence elite athletes you know, 549 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 1: performing and in our context, burning the most calories you can, 550 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 1: you certainly wouldn't want to be dehydrated. So from that perspective, 551 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:40,400 Speaker 1: it could increase fat loss potentially if you can train 552 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 1: harder for longer. But again it's not a direct relationship, 553 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:45,880 Speaker 1: and it would only be for people who are training 554 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 1: at high intensity. I'm not talking about walking around the 555 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:49,680 Speaker 1: block here or even doing a moderate gym session. I'm 556 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 1: talking you know, hit training. I'm talking at forty five 557 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 1: I'm talking body attack where you are performing at a 558 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 1: high level of intensity over an extended period of time. 559 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 1: And that won't be everyone, but for that group of people, yes, 560 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: you would argue that dehydration could impact their ability to 561 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,639 Speaker 1: train at that level and as such their ability to 562 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,439 Speaker 1: burn optimal amounts or high amounts of body fat. But 563 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 1: that's a very specific example, and it's not the water directly, 564 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:16,679 Speaker 1: as we've said, it's an indirect relationship. 565 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:18,440 Speaker 3: But you know, this is a nice saying. You don't 566 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 3: drink your water. 567 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,399 Speaker 2: Drink your water. It's very important. You absolutely can't get 568 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 2: around it. 569 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:22,879 Speaker 3: You need to drink your water. Guys. 570 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 2: It just won't make you burn any more calories. Unfortunately, 571 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 2: if it did, I think we'd be, you know, selling 572 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,479 Speaker 2: water by the you know, the fat loss miracle pills. 573 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,400 Speaker 3: You know, water would costs a hell of a lot more. 574 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 2: By that way. 575 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 3: Wouldn't be free. It comes free from the. 576 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,159 Speaker 1: Sky, and that's why vitamin water and things have sort of, 577 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:38,960 Speaker 1: I guess done well off the back of that. Now, 578 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 1: what I will say is it's the time of year. 579 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,680 Speaker 1: Often we're not feeling like drinking a whole lot of water, 580 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 1: So you can use your hot beverages like your tea's 581 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:48,879 Speaker 1: absolutely in your water counterin I would use soup in 582 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 1: my fluid count as well, soda water, sparkling water. All fine, 583 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 1: you don't have to drink just plain tapwater. So yeah, 584 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,159 Speaker 1: however you get your fluid ticking the box on that. 585 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 1: So as a reference, we've spoken about this before. It's 586 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 1: roughly thirty five to forty five meals per kilo, but 587 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 1: roughly two. Let's wear two laters of water a day 588 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:09,160 Speaker 1: come from say minimum one. Ideally no more than three. 589 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 1: You can absolutely have too much, with exceptions, you know, 590 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:16,640 Speaker 1: very large people, people breastfeeding might have higher requirements than that, 591 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,440 Speaker 1: but on average most people will need between one maximum 592 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 1: three liters a day. Two is the middle ground. How 593 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 1: much do I drink? Probably between one and a half 594 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 1: and two, and I drink soda water myself. So yeah, 595 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 1: you probably if you're asking the question, you probably need 596 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,239 Speaker 1: to drink more. You don't need to drink you know, 597 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 1: so you're in the toilet every five minutes, so maybe 598 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:38,360 Speaker 1: you know a six hundred mile bottle in the morning 599 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: and afternoon and some in the evening, and you're going 600 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 1: to be on the right track. 601 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,440 Speaker 2: And I think the best indication of if you're well 602 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,919 Speaker 2: hydrated is actually as gross as it sounds. It is 603 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 2: to look at the color of your urine. It should 604 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:51,440 Speaker 2: be a nice, very pale yellow color. If it's dark, 605 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 2: if it's brown. If it's a very dark yellow, you're dehydrated. 606 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,920 Speaker 2: You absolutely need to drink more. If it's basically see tho, 607 00:26:58,160 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 2: you can actually be overhydrated. 608 00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 3: That is a bad thing. 609 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:02,920 Speaker 2: Actually, when I used to work at the hospital, I 610 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 2: actually saw a couple of patients end up in the 611 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 2: ICU very very unwell because they had overhydrated. So what 612 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 2: that means is a fluid flood your cells. You're really 613 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 2: important nutrients like you p atassium, sodium can plummet and 614 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 2: it can actually cause things like hypeneutremia. So too much 615 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 2: water is actually a bad thing. I remember hearing years 616 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 2: ago Susie, there was a competition in the US to 617 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,919 Speaker 2: win some sort of Nintendo game or some sort of 618 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 2: gaming thing, and the single mom had like three kids 619 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 2: and she wanted to win it so bad, and it 620 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 2: was basically just like how much water could you drink 621 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 2: without peeing? She ended up in the in the ICU 622 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,359 Speaker 2: and hospital. I think she nearly died, like she was 623 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,360 Speaker 2: that critical. So too much water is actually a bad thing, 624 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 2: just like too less water is a bad thing. So 625 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 2: it's important to find a good balance. And if you're unsure, 626 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 2: look at the color of you urine. If you just 627 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,400 Speaker 2: type in hydration urine chart into Google, it will basically 628 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 2: show you what color your pea should be. Don't measure 629 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 2: the pea first thing in the morning, because it's a 630 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,639 Speaker 2: little bit it's not as accurate basically because you just 631 00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 2: come off and over up fast of you know, seven 632 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,920 Speaker 2: eight nine hours, have a long that you've I would 633 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:02,879 Speaker 2: definitely be measuring sort of your second or third p 634 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:04,960 Speaker 2: of your day. So I do think it's important when 635 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 2: you go to the bathroom when you do have a pee, 636 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,160 Speaker 2: to look at the color FEO you're on. As gross 637 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,399 Speaker 2: as it sounds, it's the only real indication that we 638 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 2: have unless you're getting regular blood tests, which we're not 639 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 2: going to encourage at all. It's really a good indication 640 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 2: of how well hydrated you are. It's any way we 641 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 2: can really know because for a lot of us, just 642 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 2: drinking to thirst sometimes that's not really enough. 643 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 3: By the time you're. 644 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,640 Speaker 2: Thirsty, you probably already slightly dehydrated. It's probably a little 645 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:26,120 Speaker 2: bit too late. 646 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely true, And I think as a minimum you 647 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 1: want to be having about a liter and then sort 648 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:32,920 Speaker 1: of ideally maybe closer to two is a sort of 649 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 1: a volume reference as well. But I think, you know, 650 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:37,440 Speaker 1: drinking for the sake of it, like you said, can 651 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 1: be fraught with danger, so you know, making sure you're 652 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 1: getting plenty of fluid rich fools like your veggies in 653 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 1: general and soups will help at this time of year 654 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 1: as well. And just have a rough idea of some 655 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: sort of water going in in some format throughout the day, all. 656 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 4: Rightly and well. 657 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 1: That brings us to the end of the Nutrition Couch 658 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 1: Podcast for another Sunday morning. If you haven't done so already, 659 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 1: don't forget to subscribe, and we will be delivered to 660 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 1: your in box twice weekly on Sunday and weekday. We 661 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 1: love when you share pictures of yourself on social media 662 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 1: listening to us. 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