1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:02,760 Speaker 1: Do you drink enough water or do you even know 2 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:05,600 Speaker 1: how much is enough? Or do you think that if 3 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:08,240 Speaker 1: you drink enough water or drink more water it should 4 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: help with weightless? Today on the Nutrition Couch Podcast, we 5 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: are going to talk about all things water and specifically 6 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: will it help with the batloss. Hi, I'm Susie Burrow 7 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:21,120 Speaker 1: lean Ward and as two of us jays leading dieticians 8 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: who specialized in evidence based nutrition, we bring you the 9 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: Nutrition Couch Podcast, a bi weekly chat on everything that 10 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: is new in the world of food, diets and nutrition, 11 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: as well as water and weight loss. Today we discuss 12 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: the latest research on foods that have a very close 13 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:40,559 Speaker 1: link to developing some types of cancer and with the 14 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:43,240 Speaker 1: price of fresh fruit and vegies through the roof, Leanne 15 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: and I share our favorite budget friendly meals. But to 16 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 1: kick us off today, Liann, you and I had a 17 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 1: feature We're Very Lucky in the Korean male weekend magazine 18 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: about us and the podcast, and one of the questions 19 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: that the interviewer had asked, was there any foods that 20 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: we would never feed to our children? 21 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 2: And we did this separately. 22 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:10,400 Speaker 1: Both of us came back and said that we would 23 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 1: not give our kids soft drink, and that was not 24 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: by chance, was it? When we take a look at 25 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 1: a recent media headline that's come out associating with sugar 26 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 1: sugary drink, so full strength soft drink with some increased 27 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:27,320 Speaker 1: risk of developing some types of cancer, So soft drink, 28 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: Why did the dietitians hate it? 29 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 3: So it wasn't just soft drink. Zuozie I found this 30 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 3: article quite interesting because it was actually just they called 31 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 3: it a sugar sweetened beverage. So when they looked at 32 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:40,960 Speaker 3: the research, drinking just one sugar sweetened beverage, So that 33 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 3: included things like tea and coffee. If you add one, two, 34 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 3: three four, if you add syrup into your tea and coffee, 35 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 3: if you add honey, that is a sugar sweetened beverage. 36 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 3: If you have just one of those a day, including juice, 37 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 3: including soft drink, including what's that stuff that everyone loves, 38 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 3: a bubble tea, that bubble tea. 39 00:01:56,720 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: Coconut water, bubble tea coconut water iced tea. 40 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 3: Sugar sweetened beverage a day is linked to an increased 41 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 3: chance of liver cancer. So there was an additional risk 42 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 3: as high as seventy eight percent for those who drank 43 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 3: sugar sweetened beverages beverages each day, so we know that 44 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 3: there's a huge link between liver cancer and alcohol. And 45 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:18,079 Speaker 3: we now know, SUSI, from some new research, that there's 46 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 3: a big link between liver cancer and sugar sweetened beverages. 47 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 3: So what we know, Susie, is that liver cancer is 48 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 3: diagnosed around two eight hundred times per year in Australia 49 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:30,519 Speaker 3: and sadly, two thousand and four hundred of those result 50 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 3: in death. So it's actually a cancer with a really 51 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 3: really high mortality rate, which is which is really quite sad. 52 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:40,919 Speaker 3: And so this new research analyzed ninety thousand post menopausal 53 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 3: women who participated in the Women's Health Initiative and Research Study, 54 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 3: which has launched way back in the nineteen nineties, so 55 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 3: they followed these ladies, Susie for a very long time. 56 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 3: And I think it's something that it needs to be 57 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:55,519 Speaker 3: talked about because I think that everybody sort of understands 58 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 3: that sugar is not great. We shouldn't be given, you know, 59 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 3: sugar to children. But the amount of time I see 60 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:03,519 Speaker 3: kids in supermarkets or in you know, walking around my 61 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 3: local Westfield pushing the parents pushing prams and the kids 62 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 3: holding a bottle of coke or the kids holding a 63 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 3: juice box or something like that, and I just think 64 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 3: that we really need to, I guess, be on top 65 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 3: of some of this research and what it can do 66 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 3: to our health long term. So sure, giving a kid 67 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:19,079 Speaker 3: a couple of SIPs of soft drink as a special 68 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 3: occasion isn't going to do you know, isn't going to 69 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 3: do much. It's going to be absolutely okay in moderation. 70 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 3: But if you're a family that has soft drink at 71 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:27,839 Speaker 3: the table a couple of times each week or kids 72 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 3: are used to having that regularly, I think that we 73 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 3: really need to take a long, hard look at what 74 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 3: we're doing on a daily basis because there's some really 75 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 3: strong research coming out that sugar, sweet and beverages are 76 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 3: not good for our house, particularly long term. 77 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 1: No, we don't like them, so to give a reference 78 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: point about why they're so bad for us. Now, I'm 79 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: not taking away from it. It's adding any sugars, but 80 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: let's be honest. You know, soft drinks, buddy bottle of 81 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 1: six hundred meals of eventing kind of cola, lemonade, Fanta 82 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: or whatever it is, we still have way too much 83 00:03:57,480 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 1: of them. We know that the largest consumer in Australia 84 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 1: are teenage boys. I think on average they consume something 85 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: like six hundred milk a day. And the issue with 86 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: that is, of course they developed the habits of carrying 87 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 1: it right through adulthood. Then that's not to take away 88 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: with the growing interest in things like bubble tea, which 89 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: seemed to be popping up everywhere, including Darmond where I've 90 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 1: just been, Like there was a handful of shops and 91 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 1: one of them is a bubble tea place. Coconut water, 92 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: like you said, it's the also the concentrated sugar and juices, 93 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:25,799 Speaker 1: any kind of flavored drinks in general. So as a reference, 94 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: you know, a buddy bottle of soft drink has got 95 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 1: thirteen teaspoons of sugar. Now, and I just saw an 96 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:33,160 Speaker 1: article today actually to talk about where how is it 97 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: possible that people think that's any good for us? If 98 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:40,160 Speaker 1: you saw that amount of sugar, like spooning out thirteen teaspoons, 99 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:44,360 Speaker 1: the volume of that in one sitting for our glucose controler, liver, 100 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 1: you know, our brain, our dental health. You know, how 101 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: could that ever be considered healthy or should be consumed 102 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:54,159 Speaker 1: at any concentrated level, you know, nine teaspoons in a can. Like, 103 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:56,600 Speaker 1: it's just so toxic for us. I absolutely would not 104 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: ever give it to my kids now, you know, when 105 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: I was growing up and likely you we would have 106 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:04,040 Speaker 1: things like lemonade a parties. Absolutely, and I'm even horrified 107 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: now to think it. I can say I've never really 108 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 1: given my kids it, nor would I because I feel 109 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: so very strong. They've only just started to allow them 110 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 1: have a little bit of fruit juice, because yeah, we 111 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 1: do know how closely associated it is with weight gain, obesity, 112 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 1: and now you know some of these very specific links 113 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: to cancer, and it's no surprise that would be liver 114 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: cancer given that one of the primary areas of glucose 115 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 1: metabolism is in the liver. 116 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 2: So yeah, we can't stress enough. 117 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 1: You know, it's not a matter of having just an 118 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: occasional can of coke or having kids as a treat. 119 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 1: You know, it's really a toxic food. It should be 120 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 1: labeled as such. And you would argue perhaps that it 121 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 1: needs to be, you know, labeled similar to tobacco, where 122 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: people see that volume of sugar and I guarantee if 123 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 1: you saw the pile of white sugar in front of 124 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 1: the label, you would think twice about putting that in 125 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:54,840 Speaker 1: your body, particularly, and that there are now low sugar alternatives, 126 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: you know, with natural sweetness. We're not saying that diet 127 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,840 Speaker 1: soft drinks better, but it's certainly better from a sugar 128 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: health perspective. If you must include some soft drink, you know, 129 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: that is a million times better, ever than including ones 130 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 1: that have the full strength in them. And over time, 131 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:11,839 Speaker 1: I believe there'll be more and more with natural sweetness 132 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:14,479 Speaker 1: as opposed to the artificial, which still dominate the main 133 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: brands like Zero and Pepsimax. Then you can see that 134 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: with that very specific flavor profile they do have. But 135 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 1: I believe over time what will happen with big industries 136 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:25,719 Speaker 1: is they will develop natural alternatives just based on health 137 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:29,840 Speaker 1: data and consumer demand. But you know, the recommendation for 138 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 1: added sugars is twenty five grams. You know, thirteen teaspoons 139 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:36,840 Speaker 1: of sugar is close to forty grams of sugar going 140 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 1: into the diet in one serve. It's just really alarming 141 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 1: on so many levels because this evidence is out there 142 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: and yet a lot of us still ignore it, particularly 143 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: in that young male range where they develop habits that 144 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 1: they will carry. 145 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 3: Through absolutely, So I'll just go back over this is 146 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 3: to six is be sour. I'll justly they're quite shocking. 147 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 3: So and as I will reinforce that the study was 148 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 3: based on postmenopause or women. So really the research was 149 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 3: showing that women who had one or more sugar sweeting 150 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 3: beverages daily, so every single day at least one, we're 151 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:09,160 Speaker 3: seventy eight percent more likely to develop liver cancer. And 152 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 3: those consuming at least one soft drink per day with 153 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 3: seventy three percent more likely to develop liver cancer compared 154 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 3: to those who had either none so none at all 155 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 3: soft drinks or only three per month so very very occasionally. 156 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 3: So it's really about the dose and the frequency that 157 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 3: we're concerned about. If you're going out for a drink 158 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 3: and you know you don't drink owcl and you have 159 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 3: a lemonade with your friends once or twice a month, 160 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 3: it's probably absolutely okay, right, this is really something that 161 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 3: it is a daily habit consumption that we're really looking for. 162 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 3: But there was a big limitation of the study, Suzi. 163 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 3: The study was an observational study, so they follow these 164 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 3: women over time. So an observational study is not our 165 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 3: highest type of research that we can find. What this 166 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 3: really means is that we can't be certain that there's 167 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 3: a link. It's not a causation type of link. We 168 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 3: can't say that doing this causes this, but it does 169 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 3: show that it is a potential that they may be 170 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 3: more likely to cause liver cancer. So I think it's 171 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 3: just something to be aware of, particularly if you're somebody 172 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 3: that regularly has sugar sweetened beverages or soft drink in 173 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 3: your diet. I think it's something just to be very 174 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 3: aware of that this new research is out there. But 175 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 3: if you're somebody that enjoys it occasionally at a party 176 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 3: once a month, I personally wouldn't stress out about it, 177 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 3: but you know, it is something that we definitely want 178 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 3: to keep to a small percentage children, kids, absolutely not adults. 179 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 3: You know, occasionally is absolutely okay. It's really about that moderation. 180 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 3: But if you're someone that's doing it regularly each week 181 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 3: or even on a daily basis, it'd be something that 182 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 3: I would be really looking to swap out, as usimns 183 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 3: with something else, like a diet sort of soft drink 184 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 3: or something with a more natural sweetener base, or something 185 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 3: like a sparkling mineral water which has a little bit 186 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 3: of natural sweetener in there as well. 187 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:46,319 Speaker 1: And for me, it's about really being very clear as 188 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:49,319 Speaker 1: parents to not establish the habits in childhood and adolescence, 189 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: because let's be honest, adults are in a position to 190 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 1: make an informed decision about things. You know, we know 191 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 1: there's risk associated with a range of behavior, whether it's 192 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 1: drinking alcohol, whether it's a high fat diet, you know, 193 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 1: and then adults you know, ideally will make an informed 194 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: decision about that. So we can only share the health 195 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 1: based information and suggest people cut back. But as parents, 196 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 1: you know and cares, we do have the responsibility to 197 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 1: know that eating habits developed in childhood and adolescents are 198 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 1: likely to maintain through adulthood. And in the case of 199 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:20,559 Speaker 1: teenagers who are big consumers of bubble teas, of sugar 200 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 1: sweet and drinks overall that you know, not encouraging it 201 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 1: at home, not keeping it at home, really keeping a 202 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 1: limit on it, and giving and guiding teams with you 203 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: know that it's really unhealthy for us, you know, water 204 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 1: should be the drink of choice, and trying not to 205 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 1: establish those habits because I find with parents, you know, 206 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: there is a belief sometimes that teenagers, particularly teenage boys, 207 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: should be able to drink what they want. You know, 208 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 1: they're very active, they're playing rugby, they're doing rowing. You know, 209 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 1: they can have sports drink. They can have these drinks, 210 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 1: Whereas I think, you know, we have the power to 211 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 1: share the message that no one should be having them, 212 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 1: and even in those instances, there's sugar free varieties. So 213 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 1: I think that's where we can be most powerful is 214 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 1: not encouraging those habits to developing in young adolescents and 215 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 1: young adulthood, because that's going to have the most profound 216 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 1: effect on our health outcome long term. So if you 217 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 1: are a parent caring for teens, a teacher, you know, 218 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: sending that message to them about how toxic it is 219 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 1: will be very powerful in changing the behaviors of generations 220 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 1: and as such impacting those health variables long term. 221 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 3: And that probably leads us nicely into our client case 222 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 3: study of the week, Susie. So this is still talking 223 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 3: about I guess families out there and really talking about 224 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 3: budget friendly. So we know at the moment that the 225 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 3: cost of fresh fruit and veggies is rising dramatically. You know, 226 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:34,559 Speaker 3: we know that there's logistical issues within Australia from the flooding, 227 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 3: you know, from COVID, from border closures, all that sort 228 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:39,559 Speaker 3: of thing. The cost of living at the moment is 229 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 3: sky high. You know, interest rates going up, the fruit 230 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 3: and veggies are going up. Stuff isn't even available, you know. 231 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 3: We've heard of reports a thing of let us cost 232 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 3: twelve dollars, Susie. So we here on the Nutrition Couch 233 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 3: want to provide our families with as many budget friendly 234 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:55,079 Speaker 3: ideas as we can. And in the last podcast that 235 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 3: we did Susi, we shared our best budget friendly tips, 236 00:10:57,880 --> 00:10:59,959 Speaker 3: and this podcast we've been asked by our listeners to 237 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,679 Speaker 3: provide our favorite budget friendly meals. So I will go 238 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 3: first easy. You guys know, I'm a big fan of 239 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 3: my slow cooker and my air fryes. So buying something 240 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 3: like an applies. Of course it's going to be an 241 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 3: investment from the outset, but I do really think that 242 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 3: it's a strong investment that's going to save you money 243 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:18,559 Speaker 3: over time. So I love my slow cooka, particularly in 244 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 3: winter sushi, something like a nice warming chickpea curry. You 245 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 3: can throw some tofu in there if you want, if not, 246 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 3: just make it bean based that served with some brown 247 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 3: rice and a ton of veggies is one of my 248 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 3: favorite winter warming budget friendly meals. I love a tofu 249 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 3: sturf right. I personally only like the hard tofu has 250 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 3: to be marinated. I love to serve it with some 251 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 3: rice noodles, brown rice noodles if you can get it 252 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 3: even better. I love a Mexican bean bowl. Like a 253 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:45,959 Speaker 3: nice smoky bean Mexician mixture, tint of tomatoes, smoky paprika, garlic, onion, 254 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 3: you know, a nice bace of spices, bit of chili 255 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 3: flakes in there. Throw a whole loup of veggies in there. 256 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 3: Serve it with some rice or maybe some corn chips 257 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 3: on the side, a little bit of fresh creek yogurt 258 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:56,680 Speaker 3: and some avocado. I love a nice Mexican bean bowl. 259 00:11:56,760 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 3: Another really budget friendly meal is using potatoes. Potatoes a 260 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 3: great carbohydrate sauce if you cook and cool them down, 261 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 3: the resistance starch inside them provides wonderful benefits from a 262 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 3: gut health perspective. I love stuffed potatoes. You know, cut 263 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 3: them open, leave them in their jacket, stuff them with 264 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 3: mince al beans, and then cover them with a little 265 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 3: bit of cheese and a big thing of salad. Or 266 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 3: some veggies on the side. I think potatoes are seriously 267 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:20,679 Speaker 3: underrated as a vegetable, SOUSI. You can call them a 268 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 3: car being, call them a veggie, whatever you want, but 269 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 3: I think they're seriously underrated. They're cheapest chips. There are 270 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 3: some really really good options out there. I think we 271 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:29,959 Speaker 3: should review potatoes actually for the product of the root, 272 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 3: because there's some great like lower GI options, lower carb 273 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 3: options out there, but that you know, some stuff potatoes. 274 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 3: Minceal beans one of my favorites and my last twot 275 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:39,679 Speaker 3: around me out SUSI love a good fried rice has 276 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 3: to be homemade because the fried rice that we get 277 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:43,560 Speaker 3: at restaurants typically has a lot of processed ham and 278 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 3: bacon and stuff in there, which I'm not a fan of. 279 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 3: I like to make it myself. Keep the amount of 280 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:49,439 Speaker 3: soy sauce a bit lower as well to control the 281 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 3: amount of sodium. Like to put some ottamamae beans in 282 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 3: my fried rice as well to boost the protein. Love 283 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 3: to have a little bit of egg whites as well 284 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:57,840 Speaker 3: to boost the protein. And then my last dish is 285 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 3: like I pretty much use any availablegetable in my fridge 286 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 3: at the end of the week and make a nice omelet, 287 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 3: and I call it a pizza omelet because I would 288 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 3: throw all of my veggies in there, throw the eggs 289 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 3: on top, a ton of onion, ton of garlic, I'd 290 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:10,559 Speaker 3: cook the base of it, sprinkle cheese all over the 291 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 3: top of it, and put it under the grill. Or 292 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 3: if you're an American listener, I think you guys call 293 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:16,560 Speaker 3: it a broiler. From memory, one of my clients is like, 294 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:18,439 Speaker 3: what is a grill? And I was like, google it 295 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 3: and I was like, I think you call it a broiler. 296 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 3: And she's like, oh, no, I know what you mean. 297 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 3: So put it under the grill, chrispin it up and 298 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 3: make it nice and cheesy. And I growing up, Mum 299 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:27,840 Speaker 3: used to call that a pizza omelet and we'd have 300 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 3: that in our house routinely, at least once a week. 301 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 3: Mom would use up all of the veggies. And that's 302 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 3: something that I've continued doing even as an adult, you know, 303 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 3: my young twenties. When I left home at uty, that 304 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:38,319 Speaker 3: was one of my favorite budget friendly meals, which to 305 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 3: make up a good old omelet, serve it with the 306 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 3: slize of whole grain toes, and that would serve me really, 307 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:45,559 Speaker 3: really well in my sort of budget friendly university days. 308 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 3: How do you go on your household sezy. 309 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 1: Oh, I think you've stolen a lot of the good 310 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 1: ones pit greedy day when didn't debrief that before we started. 311 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: I think the thing that turns me off a little 312 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: bit about budget stories is when you see sort of 313 00:13:56,440 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 1: things like, oh, use chicken thigh, or you have a soup, 314 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:04,319 Speaker 1: Because to me, that's not equivalent meal category. So the 315 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: first is that sometimes we just substitute fattier cuts of meat. 316 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 1: So I don't like to do that, and I certainly 317 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:11,319 Speaker 1: don't like to tell people, oh, instead of having a 318 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:13,319 Speaker 1: big steak, have a soup. It's not kind of comparing 319 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 1: apples to apples, So my goshues are very similar to yours. 320 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 2: A couple of tricks I like to use is I. 321 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 1: Really think, look at the minces that you're buying, and 322 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 1: you can buy turkey mints, the lean one, and chicken mince, 323 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: which is also pretty lean, for about half the price 324 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 1: of pork or lean beef mince, and they taste good. 325 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 1: So then you can supplement them into a fried rice 326 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 1: or a spaghetti without really noticing, and you're saving half 327 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 1: the money. So that's my first recommendation be fussy with 328 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 1: your minces. I think I would rather people have a 329 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 1: smaller portion of breast than buy thigh or drumstick. I 330 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: tend to really clear stay clear of those really high 331 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 1: fat meats, and chicken thigh and drumstick are really high fat, 332 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: so they're not sort of ones I want my clients 333 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: to substitute in. 334 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 2: I'm using a lot of the coliflower rice pre mixes. 335 00:14:58,200 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 2: I really like them. 336 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 1: They're the bird's eye ones fried rice, and there's a rosotto. 337 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 1: Now you can get two serves for five dollars out 338 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: of those or veggies, and you can easily then add 339 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 1: egg which is relatively inexpensive, or chicken or turkey mince 340 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: into the fried rice, or just have a veggie mushroom 341 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 1: zoto with extra veggies like frozen peas through it really 342 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 1: filling and really budget friendly. Then, because they're quite inexpensive, 343 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 1: particularly for couples, I'm like you, I like the beans 344 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 1: as a nutcho type bowl because I find with men, 345 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 1: if you take the meat away, they sort of notice, 346 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 1: whereas if you can get away with a chili kon 347 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 1: carne type meat product in a burrito bowl, they're still 348 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 1: getting the bulk that they need in delicious and it's 349 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 1: a much more budget friendly option and as we know Australians, 350 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 1: we ideally will all eat more legumes. 351 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 2: So yeah, my go to even is the. 352 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: Fried rice like you said, or the qualifowl rice alternative 353 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 1: with the eggs through it. The better quality minces or 354 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 1: the beans are probably my favorites without sort of swapping 355 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 1: things like for tata or soup, which I think is 356 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: not kind of like for like but still ret hating 357 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 1: sort of the commonality of those meals, but for a 358 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 1: lot cheaper. So yeah, I think you covered a lot, 359 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 1: but they might sort of add on. Oh my last 360 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 1: one a tuna mornae. Now I don't even like tuna 361 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 1: very much, but I'll eat a tuna mornae and then 362 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 1: you can adjust the amount of pasta through it. You 363 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 1: can use a bottle sauce or mix your own with 364 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: a bit of milk and corn flour and then add 365 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 1: tons of veggies to it, and you can buy a 366 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 1: massive tin of tuna for five bucks. So another good 367 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 1: one that the family tends to really enjoy. 368 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 2: Absolutely. 369 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 3: One of my favorites is actually a tuna pasta like 370 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 3: a tuna spaghetti. Pasta. So I buy like a tuna 371 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 3: in oil, so that saves a little bit of money. 372 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 3: Use that as sort of the base. Throw some fresh 373 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 3: tomatoes in there, whatever veggies you've got in the fridge, 374 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 3: and I will actually spend a little bit more by 375 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 3: buying a better quality pasta rather than just getting sort 376 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 3: of the dollar home brand white pasta. I will one 377 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 3: hundred percent always go for a high fiber pasta, and 378 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 3: if your budget allows, go for something like a legging 379 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 3: based pasta, a chickpea pasta, a bean based pasta, because 380 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 3: it tastes pretty similar to you know, normal pasta, but 381 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 3: you're getting a lot more protein and a lot more fiber, 382 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 3: particularly if you're doing a lot more vegetarian meal. I 383 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 3: think using something like a pulse pasta it should be 384 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 3: a really really you know, no brainer for your family 385 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 3: because you are getting the boost in terms of protein 386 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 3: and fiber just in terms of the fullness for the 387 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 3: meal as well. And it is you know, it's a 388 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:13,879 Speaker 3: really affordable, I guess option as well. And again, like 389 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 3: the vegetarian options are so budget friendly. Sometimes if I 390 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 3: do pasta SUSI I'll use a legging based pasta. I'll 391 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 3: stir through either some low fat ricotta or some low 392 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 3: fat cottage cheese, because the dairy together with the lentil 393 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 3: based pasta gives a really nice complete protein source. Throw 394 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:29,120 Speaker 3: and whatever veggies I've got my fridge, use a nice 395 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 3: sort of tomato based with that sort of creaminess from 396 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 3: the ricotta or the cottage cheese, and that gives a 397 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:36,680 Speaker 3: nice sort of creamy pasta, which is a lot lower 398 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:39,160 Speaker 3: calories than if you were stirring actual cream. 399 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 2: Through your pasture as well. 400 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 3: So sometimes we can have some really good higher protein 401 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:45,360 Speaker 3: vegetarian options as well. They're very budget friendly if we're 402 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 3: using sort of smart products like our beans, our leggings, 403 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 3: and some of our dairy as well to stir through. 404 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: And it's a reminder that cheese is really expensive. I 405 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:55,439 Speaker 1: find that I can't believe the price increases in cheese 406 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 1: and dairy. But some options that you can use instead. 407 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:00,920 Speaker 1: If you buy a protein Greek starre yogat that works 408 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:03,359 Speaker 1: really well to cream things up without eating cheese, and 409 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 1: same with even some sour cream. Sour cream will last 410 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 1: a really long time in the fridge, and it's a 411 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 1: great way A spoonful of that with a ratachuwi or 412 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 1: a pasta will make things instantly creamy for a fraction 413 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 1: of fat and a lot less cheese, which is quite 414 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 1: an expensive product for families as well. So there's another 415 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 1: couple of little little tips and tricks to you know, 416 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 1: make the family budget a bit more user friendly. And 417 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: I just recently wrote an article on supermarket staples for 418 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 1: less than two dollars, and I can safely say that 419 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:30,920 Speaker 1: you can buy a lot of frozen veggies, individual tins 420 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:35,640 Speaker 1: of tuna, pasta rices, all those staples for reasonably inexpensive prices. 421 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:38,239 Speaker 1: And that means that then sometimes there's a bit more 422 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 1: budget left for the proteins and adding in a couple 423 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:43,439 Speaker 1: of veggie meals, and you can certainly slash your grocery 424 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:46,159 Speaker 1: budget ly. And I'm quite frugal at the supermarket, so 425 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 1: I sort of cross what's cheap and what's not buying 426 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:53,879 Speaker 1: things on sale. So certainly there's a common misconception that 427 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:56,159 Speaker 1: you have to spend a lot to eat well. You 428 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 1: can certainly eat extremely well, and you would argue even 429 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 1: bitter by sticking to a lot of basics and frozen 430 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,719 Speaker 1: veggies and things and cutting down your meat intake overall, 431 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:05,880 Speaker 1: and using sort of lean cuts wisely. 432 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 3: Definitely, can I add one more to the SUSI last one? Shutshuska. 433 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:12,920 Speaker 3: That's how you pronounce it, isn't it? The eggs baked 434 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 3: eggs yeahgg yeah yeah yeah, shaked eggs. You get the 435 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:20,399 Speaker 3: nice tomato beans in there as well, capsicerms, some spices, 436 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 3: scar lick. You know, it's just quite embarrassing anyway, you 437 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:27,119 Speaker 3: guys are not what we mean if not get it 438 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 3: with Google. So baked eggs in the nice sort of 439 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 3: creamy tomato capsicum sort of bass capsicciams at the moment 440 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 3: are really really expensive, So I do sort of tomatoes 441 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:36,639 Speaker 3: with a bit of maybe zucchinis or mushrooms or spinach 442 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:39,200 Speaker 3: or whatever's available whatever season or on sale at the moment. 443 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 3: Whenever you listening to this episode, you might be listening 444 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:42,639 Speaker 3: to it in nine months time and it might be 445 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:45,159 Speaker 3: completely different seasons. So find out what's in seas and 446 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 3: you basically cook up everything, dump it tin of tomatoes 447 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 3: in season it, spice it up and then you crack 448 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 3: your eggs on top and you bake it in the oven. 449 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 3: So I'm a big fan of breakfast for dinner, Susie, 450 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 3: but it has to have veggies involved or having it 451 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 3: for dinner. Yeah, and I think you can get canned capsicum. 452 00:19:57,720 --> 00:19:58,440 Speaker 2: I've never used it. 453 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 1: I don't think you can get at the moment plane 454 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 1: capsic and frozen. You can come in and mix veggies, 455 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 1: but you can get tinned now. I haven't used it, 456 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 1: but you know, perhaps worth a try too, because they 457 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 1: are really expensive capscums and they're such a super food, 458 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 1: but they can really add quite a few dollars to 459 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 1: the grocery shop. So there's certainly some options we can 460 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 1: use instead, all rightly. 461 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 2: And now our. 462 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:22,159 Speaker 1: Listener question which one that comes up certainly all the 463 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 1: time with my clients. But specifically we have covered before 464 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 1: about water and how much is ideal to drink for health, 465 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 1: But the specific one we wanted to take a closer 466 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 1: look at today was that does drinking more water support 467 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:39,399 Speaker 1: fat loss? And it's a little bit complicated, isn't it, 468 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 1: Because you know, there's a certain amount of fluid that 469 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:44,119 Speaker 1: the body does need, and so you would argue that 470 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:46,200 Speaker 1: if you were dehydrated and not getting enough of that, 471 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 1: it would impair metabolism or digestion. But it's probably safe 472 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:51,399 Speaker 1: to say it's not going to impair it to a 473 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 1: point of having a significant impact on weight. But certainly 474 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 1: with my clients, I think there is a bit of 475 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 1: a belief that drinking more water will facilitate fat loss. 476 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 1: Now of the research that I'm aware of to date, 477 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 1: there is a small amount of research to show that 478 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 1: ice cold water does increase metabolic rate, but it's by 479 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:16,119 Speaker 1: very very small amounts. I'm talking one two percent, and 480 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 1: that is based on consuming quite a lot, Like I'm 481 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:21,399 Speaker 1: talking eight glasses of ice cold water per day. So 482 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,719 Speaker 1: if you've got sense tis throughout a yeah, and if 483 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:26,400 Speaker 1: this time of you when it's freezing, it's not something 484 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 1: you're really reaching for now. You know, it has headlined 485 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 1: before in the media about increasing fat loss, but when 486 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:35,400 Speaker 1: you take a closer look at the data, it's very 487 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:39,119 Speaker 1: very small amounts. So I certainly wouldn't be encouraging my 488 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 1: clients to drink their water ice cold to get a 489 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 1: potential fat burning effect. That is a little bit of 490 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 1: a myth that's sort of in theoretical amounts only, So 491 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 1: you know, basically my answer is no, which is why 492 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 1: I don't sort of give my clients a lot of 493 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 1: time talking about their water intake. It's important for skin 494 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 1: and digestion and going to the bathroom frequently. Is it 495 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:04,919 Speaker 1: going to improve fat loss? Technically no. It may make 496 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 1: you feel a bit better, so you exercise more or 497 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 1: you know, go to the bathroom more often, so you 498 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 1: might feel like you're losing more weight. But technically no, 499 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,160 Speaker 1: you're not going to lose more fat or lose weight 500 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:18,440 Speaker 1: quicker because you're drinking enough or more water. Is that 501 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 1: that's a fair servation. 502 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I. 503 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 3: Mean I think it's a complicated one because we'll drinking 504 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:27,200 Speaker 3: more water make you lose weight. No, water doesn't impact 505 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:29,920 Speaker 3: the calorie burn that you will get. Put it that way, 506 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 3: or it doesn't put you in a calorie deficit. I 507 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 3: think a lot of people think, oh the more water 508 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:37,720 Speaker 3: I drink, the more weight I lose. No, but indirectly 509 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 3: drinking water can help you feel you know, when you're 510 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,239 Speaker 3: more hydrated, you don't get us hungry. I always say 511 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:47,159 Speaker 3: to clients dehydration mass hunger. So if you're dehydrated, you're 512 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:50,159 Speaker 3: not drinking enough. The body will sort of say to you, oh, 513 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 3: I need more, I need more, And you think you 514 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 3: need more food, but actually you just need water. And 515 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 3: I've had a lot of clients to go Leanna finished 516 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 3: my meal, I'm still hungry, and I just look at 517 00:22:57,760 --> 00:22:59,399 Speaker 3: what I've given them a meal. Piu'm like, absolutely not, 518 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 3: There's no way you could still be hungry, go and 519 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 3: have two glasses of water. Text me in twenty minutes 520 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 3: how you feel, and ninety nine percent of a time 521 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 3: SOOSI they're like, oh no, I'm fine. I think I 522 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 3: just needed more water after a meal. So it doesn't 523 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:14,640 Speaker 3: directly impact that loss, but I think indirectly it can 524 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 3: because if we're not drinking enough, I definitely do think 525 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 3: we feel hungrier. We tend to eat a lot more, 526 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 3: and we just I think we just feel crappier overall. Right, 527 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 3: we get a bit of a headache, we feel a 528 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 3: bit sluggish, our bows aren't working as well, and that, 529 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 3: you know, that sort of impacts our motivation to exercise 530 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,120 Speaker 3: to eat better. I know, the last thing I want 531 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 3: to do is when I'm feeling sluggish in my gugestions 532 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 3: all over the place, I'm like, oh, I just can't 533 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 3: really be bothery're doing much at all. So I think 534 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 3: it definitely impacts us, like motivation wise and hunger wise 535 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,160 Speaker 3: as well for some of us. So it's a complicated one. 536 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 1: I think directly no, Indirectly yes, and indirectly, particularly in 537 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 1: terms of training quality. You would argue, so if you 538 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 1: are someone who has a goal of fat loss, and 539 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,640 Speaker 1: as part of that energy balance equation, are using high 540 00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: intensity cardigo training to trade at a high level and 541 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 1: burn more calories, If you are dehydrated, you are unlikely 542 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 1: to be able to exercise at the highest intensity that 543 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 1: you're capable because you will be tired, your energy regulation 544 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 1: won't be as optimal as it could be. You're less 545 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 1: likely to be able to exercise for a sustained period 546 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 1: of time. So you could also say that in order 547 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 1: to support training at high intensity, you want to be 548 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: optimally hydrated, and hence elite athletes you know, performing and 549 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 1: in our context, burning the most calories you can. You 550 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 1: certainly wouldn't want to be dehydrated. So from that perspective, 551 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:40,400 Speaker 1: it could increase fat loss potentially if you can train 552 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 1: harder for longer. But again it's not a direct relationship, 553 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:45,880 Speaker 1: and it would only be for people who are training 554 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 1: a high intensity. I'm not talking about walking around the 555 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:49,680 Speaker 1: block here or even doing a moderate gym session. I'm 556 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 1: talking you know, hit training. I'm talking at forty five. 557 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 1: I'm talking body attack where you are performing at a 558 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 1: high level of intensity over an extended period of time. 559 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 1: And that won't be everyone, but for that group of people, yes, 560 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: you would argue that dehydration could impact their ability to 561 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 1: train at that level and as such their ability to 562 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,399 Speaker 1: burn optimal mats or high amounts of body fat. But 563 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,719 Speaker 1: that's a very specific example, and it's not the water directly, 564 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:16,639 Speaker 1: as we've said, it's an indirect relationship. 565 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:18,680 Speaker 3: But you know, this is an US thing. Don't drink 566 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 3: your water. Drink your water. It's very important. You absolutly 567 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 3: can't get around it. You need to drink your water. 568 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 2: Guys. 569 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:26,159 Speaker 3: It just won't make you burn anymore calories. Unfortunately, if 570 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 3: it did, I think we'd be, you know, selling water 571 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,680 Speaker 3: by the you know, the fat loss miracle pills. You know, 572 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:32,359 Speaker 3: water would cost us a hell of a lot more. 573 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 2: By that way. 574 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 3: It wouldn't be free. It comes free from the sky. 575 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,119 Speaker 1: And that's why vitamin water and things have sort of, 576 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:38,920 Speaker 1: I guess done well off the back of that. Now, 577 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 1: what I will say is it's the time of year. 578 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:42,680 Speaker 1: Often we're not feeling like drinking a whole lot of water, 579 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 1: so you can use your hot beverages like your teas. 580 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:48,879 Speaker 1: Absolutely in your water counter. I would use soup in 581 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 1: my fluid count as well, soda water, sparkling water, all fine. 582 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 1: You don't have to drink just plain tap water. So yeah, 583 00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,119 Speaker 1: however you get your fluid ticking the box on that. 584 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 1: So as a reference, we've spoken about this before. It's 585 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 1: roughly thirty five to forty five meals per kilo, but 586 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,199 Speaker 1: roughly twos wear two lads of water a day, come 587 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 1: from say minimum one. Ideally no more than three. You 588 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,239 Speaker 1: can absolutely have too much, with exceptions, you know, very 589 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 1: large people, people breastfeeding might have higher requirements than that, 590 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,400 Speaker 1: but on average most people will need between one maximum 591 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 1: three liters a day. Two is the middle ground. How 592 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 1: much do I drink? Probably between one and a half 593 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 1: and two, and I drink soda water myself. So yeah, 594 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,160 Speaker 1: you probably if you're asking the question, you probably. 595 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 2: Need to drink more. 596 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:34,639 Speaker 1: You don't need to drink you know, so you're in 597 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 1: the toilet every five minutes, so maybe you know, a 598 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 1: six hundred meal bottle in the morning and afternoon and 599 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 1: some in the evening, and you're going to be on 600 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 1: the right track. 601 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,440 Speaker 3: And I think the best indication of if you're well 602 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,920 Speaker 3: hydrated is actually as gross as it sounds, it is 603 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 3: to look at the color of your urine. It should 604 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:51,440 Speaker 3: be a nice, very pale yellow color. If it's dark, 605 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 3: if it's brown. If it's a very dark yellow, you're dehydrated. 606 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,920 Speaker 3: You absolutely need to drink more. If it's basically see though, 607 00:26:58,160 --> 00:26:59,880 Speaker 3: you can actually be overhydrated. 608 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 2: That is a bad thing. 609 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:02,920 Speaker 3: Actually, when I used to work at the hospital, I 610 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 3: actually saw a couple of patients end up in the 611 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 3: ICU very very unwell because they had overhydrated. So what 612 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 3: that means is a fluid floods your cells. You're really 613 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,200 Speaker 3: important nutrients like you a tassium, sodium can plummet and 614 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 3: it can actually cause things like hypeneutremia. So too much 615 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,479 Speaker 3: water is actually a bad thing. I remember hearing years ago, Susie, 616 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 3: there was a competition in the US to win some 617 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,439 Speaker 3: sort of Nintendo game or some sort of gaming thing, 618 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 3: and the single mom had like three kids and she 619 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:28,880 Speaker 3: wanted to win it so bad, and it was basically 620 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 3: just like how much water could you drink without peeing? 621 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 3: She ended up in the in the ICU and hospital 622 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 3: I think she nearly died like she was that critical. 623 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,920 Speaker 3: So too much water is actually a bad thing, just 624 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 3: like too less water is a bad thing. So it's 625 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 3: important to find a good balance. And if you're unsure, 626 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 3: look at the color of you urine. If you just 627 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,359 Speaker 3: type in hydration urine chart into Google, it will basically 628 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 3: show you what color your pea should be. Don't measure 629 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:53,639 Speaker 3: the pea first thing in the morning because it's a 630 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,639 Speaker 3: little bit it's not as accurate basically because you just 631 00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 3: come off and over up fast of you know, seven 632 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 3: eight nine hours, have a long that you've four I 633 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 3: would definitely be measuring sort of your second or third 634 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 3: p of your day. So I do think it's important 635 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:06,159 Speaker 3: when you go to the bathroom when you do have 636 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:07,639 Speaker 3: a pee, to look at the color FHEO you're on. 637 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,120 Speaker 3: As gross as it sounds, it's the only real indication 638 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 3: that we have unless you're getting regular blood tests, which 639 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,639 Speaker 3: we're not going to encourage at all. It's really a 640 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 3: good indication of how well hydrated you are. It's the 641 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 3: only way we can really know because for a lot 642 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 3: of us, just drinking to thirst sometimes that's not really enough. 643 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 3: By the time you're thirsty you probably already slightly dehydrated. 644 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:26,120 Speaker 3: It's probably a little bit too late. 645 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely true. 646 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,119 Speaker 1: And I think as a minimum you want to be 647 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 1: having about a liter and then sort of ideally maybe 648 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 1: closer to two is a sort of a volume reference 649 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,399 Speaker 1: as well. But I think, you know, drinking for the 650 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 1: sake of it, like you said, can be fraught with danger, 651 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 1: so you know, making sure you're getting plenty of fluid 652 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:42,960 Speaker 1: rich foods like your veggies in general and soups will 653 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: help at this time of year as well, and just 654 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 1: have a rough idea of some sort of water going 655 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 1: in in some format throughout the day, all right, lean Well, 656 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 1: that brings us to the end of the Nutrition Couch 657 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 1: Podcast for another Sunday morning. 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