1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: I'd like to begin by acknowledging the traditional custodians of 2 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: the lands on which we've recorded this episode, and also 3 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:10,399 Speaker 1: pay respect to the elders and communities of the many 4 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: lands where you, our listeners, are joining us today we 5 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:25,600 Speaker 1: honor the continuing connection to country culture and story. Welcome, 6 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: I'm Manzanarabeles and this is Fine and Tell the podcast 7 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: where we hand the mic to the next generation of 8 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 1: First Nation storytellers. Each episode, the storytellers are given a 9 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:41,559 Speaker 1: new theme and set loose to find and tell unique, 10 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:46,480 Speaker 1: interesting and personal stories from around the country. Over the series, 11 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: you'll hear from Micah Kickin, a Kuri and Nungar comedian, 12 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 1: lawyer and broadcaster making waves on stage and in the 13 00:00:55,480 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: court room, Aliyah J. Bradbury, a proud Indigenous woman of Larikia, 14 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 1: and Miriam Mr. Heritage and she's even won an Emmy. 15 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 1: And today's storyteller Dobby, a proud Murrawari and Filipino Aria 16 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: Award winning musician. And what a powerful theme we have 17 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: for Dobby to open with, Raise your Voice. It's about 18 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: reclaiming our stories, owning our voice and speaking with strength 19 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:26,119 Speaker 1: and pride. Today Dobby takes us deep into the world 20 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 1: of indigenous hip hop, and in this episode you'll hear 21 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 1: deadly voices like fred Leone and rising talent Capes all 22 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 1: right ready to get into it. 23 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 2: It all starts with a beat, the driving force behind 24 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 2: it all, this vibration of sounds that once you hear it, 25 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 2: once you really listen to it, sends a signal from 26 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 2: your ears to your brain, to the back of your neck, 27 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 2: and once it's there, it sets your whole body movie. 28 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 2: It's called in treatment. When you start to synchronize with 29 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 2: the rhythm, it's like a heartbeat, the heartbeat that was 30 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 2: born in the Boogie down Bronx, one of the five 31 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 2: boroughs of New York City nineteen seventy three, and then 32 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 2: somehow made its way to the streets of Sydney, Gadigle Country, 33 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 2: to the block in Redfern, and eventually traveled out to 34 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 2: the Bush. You might be asking yourself, why why hip hop? 35 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 2: What does any of our story have to do with 36 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 2: hip hop? A love letter to the culture and a 37 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 2: journey through hip hop in our communities where rhythm meets resistance. 38 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 2: Welcome to Mike Check. I remember the first time I 39 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 2: purchased my own CD from sanity the local music store 40 00:02:56,800 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 2: Elephunk The Black Eyed Peas two thousand and three, an 41 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 2: eclectic showcase of funk, jazz, reggae, rap, R and B 42 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 2: presented by artists will I Am, Apple d'app, Fergie and Taboo. 43 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 2: As soon as I go word that Apple d App 44 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 2: is Filipino and Taboo is Native American, I suddenly counterpulted 45 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:23,239 Speaker 2: into an all out fan. My mother is from Takloman 46 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 2: She immigrated from the Philippines to Australia nineteen eighty five, 47 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 2: and my dad's family is from Briwarna and Wilmeringle, Nambar 48 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 2: and Motori Country, northwest New South Wales. Hearing Apple, d 49 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 2: App and Taboo stories as part of The Black Eyed 50 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 2: Peas ignited something powerful within me. I felt seen as 51 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 2: a kid. I was looking for my place in the world, 52 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 2: feeling my way through my cultures and constantly searching for 53 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 2: myself in relation to my friends at school. In two 54 00:03:56,200 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 2: thousand and three, hip hop wasn't visible all so hip 55 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 2: hop music, the CDs and my discmand, the music videos 56 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 2: on MTV, my Double XL magazines. It was a language 57 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 2: in culture that I could understand. It was where I 58 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 2: felt I could belong. It was here where I started 59 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:20,600 Speaker 2: to recite rapper's lyrics. I used to listen and rap 60 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:23,280 Speaker 2: along to Miss Y Elliott or my discmand clipped to 61 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 2: my pants belt while helping mum out with cleaning the 62 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 2: offices of a local real estate agency, vacuuming the floors 63 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 2: while dancing as Snoop Dog's drop it Like It's Hot. 64 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 2: For a week in my school reading class, I brought 65 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 2: in and read the lyric booklet from Eminem's two thousand 66 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 2: and four album Encore. I lived and breathed hip hop. 67 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:46,840 Speaker 2: Then one day I decided to try making my own. 68 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 2: That's when I wrote my very first songs. First now 69 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 2: in Regine what it would be like if we had 70 00:04:54,880 --> 00:05:00,599 Speaker 2: no gravity? Wow, it's pretty cringe, I know. At the time, 71 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 2: I was so proud, and eventually I did get better. 72 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 2: Being a rapper has always been about where you're from. 73 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 2: Whether it's the Bronx, Staten Island, Queens, Atlanta, West Coast 74 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 2: Los Angeles. It's about representing your place and your people. 75 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 2: So when hip hop found its way to Sydney circa 76 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 2: nineteen eighty two, we began telling our own stories. 77 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 1: Welcome back to find and tell as musician Dobby tackles 78 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: the topic raise your voice, Let's get back into it. 79 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: As Dobbie unites with Fred Leone. 80 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 3: The hip hop, the Hibbit, the Hibbit, the hip hip hop, 81 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 3: You don't stop fucking out baby Bumma to the boogie 82 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 3: the bag Mate. 83 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 2: Now what you hear is not a test. 84 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 3: I'm rapping to. Yeah, that's it. And I was like, 85 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:04,840 Speaker 3: what is this? Wow? What is this? 86 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 2: Fred Lernie's journey with hip hop began early around the 87 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 2: age of ten with the beats and rhythms first quarter's ear. 88 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:15,280 Speaker 2: It was a sound unlike anything he'd heard before, a 89 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 2: pulse that fell both new and familiar. 90 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:21,279 Speaker 3: Our words are like the needle and then the cotton 91 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:24,719 Speaker 3: that's sewing it all together are the songs. And we're 92 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 3: weaving it all the way through, through all the dispossession 93 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:32,600 Speaker 3: and the splitting up of clan groups and taking the 94 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 3: missions and moved all around the country. 95 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 2: A bachelor song man, storyteller, and pioneer, Fred has been 96 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 2: instrumental in showing how culture in hip hop can not 97 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:47,159 Speaker 2: only coexist, but elevate each other. His work bridges ancient 98 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:51,039 Speaker 2: knowledge with modern rhythm, creating a powerful space for truth telling. 99 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 2: And resistance. 100 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 3: The biggest thing for me is to see how it 101 00:06:55,920 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 3: inspires young people to want to speak their language, want 102 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 3: to find out who their mob is, find out more 103 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 3: stories from their parents, from their uncles, aunties, old NaN's. 104 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 3: You know, if they're like stolen generation mob, Like what 105 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 3: is it? 106 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 2: Fred came up against a lot of people who just 107 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 2: didn't understand the need for black voices in the industry. 108 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 3: When I was shopping this music around, people were saying 109 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 3: to me, oh, indigenous hip hop. But that's like, I 110 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 3: don't know, Like, what is this this Aussie hip hop? 111 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 3: I've heard of OZSI hip hop. When I'm saying it's 112 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 3: the same things, it's the same thing, They're like, Oh, 113 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 3: why aren't you making music for your community? Is it? No, 114 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 3: they'll making music and this narrative in the music is 115 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 3: for the wider population, but no one sort of picked 116 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 3: up on it. 117 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 2: So we carved out of space. Fred found it impossible 118 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 2: Odds Records, one of the first ever black owned record 119 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 2: labels in the country, to tell our own stories and 120 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 2: to create something on our terms. 121 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 3: Performing in front of eighty five thousand people in the 122 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 3: middle of the MCG two years ago, and it was 123 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 3: at that moment that I realized the impact of hip 124 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 3: hop as a subculture and what that had done for 125 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 3: me and my community and the people around me and 126 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 3: the community as a whole around the country. Be a 127 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 3: cathartic release. But seeing the fruits of that release, not 128 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 3: having to wait, you know, read about it in fifty 129 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 3: years time or after we're all gone, but seeing the 130 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 3: actual fruits of the labor of so many people, and 131 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 3: then I can walk out into the middle of the 132 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 3: MCG and rock out a rap and a song in Lingo. 133 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:41,680 Speaker 3: It was surreal to be able to wear your heart 134 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 3: on your sleeve and put it in a song and 135 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:49,119 Speaker 3: then get the love back that we do nowadays is amazing. 136 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 2: We talk a lot about balance ancient modern culture platform, 137 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 2: but Fred shows that those aren't opposites. There harm and 138 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 2: those harmonies resonate through to the next wave of black 139 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 2: hip hop. If Fred represents the foundation, then Capes is 140 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 2: the future. He's from broom of Bonimba and one majority heritage. 141 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 2: This fellow is deadly and he's already speaking with the 142 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 2: clarity and confidence of someone who knows exactly what this 143 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 2: moment is about. 144 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:26,359 Speaker 4: So my name is Capes. I'm a nineteen year old 145 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 4: Momadi Bunerae, hip hop artist from Western Australia. The I'm 146 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:35,959 Speaker 4: a writer, producer, Yeah, just love making making that sort 147 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 4: of shit for sure. 148 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 2: I first met Capes at the Natsimo Resonate Workshops in 149 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 2: me Engine, Brisbane, a space creative for black artists to 150 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 2: come together, collaborate and build something beautiful. 151 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 4: We're a bunch of First Nations artists, a coming together 152 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 4: in a collaborative manner to create something really special. 153 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 2: We clicked immediately when we realized we had the same 154 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 2: musical origin story. The first album that both of us 155 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 2: fell in love with speaker Box The Love Below by 156 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 2: Outcast two thousand and three. 157 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 4: That was the first hip hop album I ever listened to. 158 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 4: I fell in love with it instantly, just like the 159 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 4: the theatrics and so much character coming through. 160 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 2: It didn't just blow our minds, it gave us permission. 161 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 4: Hearing ghetto music for the first time. Like the switches 162 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 4: in the production, with the tempo, breaking it down with 163 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 4: those different vocal tones. It really set the tone of 164 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:31,080 Speaker 4: like there no rules, you can do whatever you want 165 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 4: and you're only limited by your creativity. 166 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 2: But what makes this brother Caepe so special? Is how 167 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 2: all that global influence is grounded in something deeply local. 168 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 2: He told me about his community near Fitzroy, Crossey, where 169 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 2: he grew up, where stories and music were always around 170 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 2: the fire. 171 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 4: On a Friday or Saturday. You'd just be like, you'd 172 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 4: have everybody come over, or you go to somebody's house 173 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 4: and somebody's round a campfire playing something. There's always somebody singing. 174 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 4: I think just being around an environment where everybody's sharing 175 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:08,079 Speaker 4: those stories and sharing songs in that way has really 176 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 4: influenced even like the project that I have coming out 177 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 4: that I've been writing is very honest, and I feel 178 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 4: like it's a really accurate representation of that environment and 179 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 4: just trying to showcase that a little bit more. 180 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 2: I asked keep So if he ever feels any pressure 181 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 2: to represent his mob in any certain way. His answer 182 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 2: was all hot. 183 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 4: I don't feel pressured. I feel responsible if I have 184 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 4: a platform to be able to speak my truth and 185 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 4: the truth of my family. Whether I'm making hip hop, 186 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:46,079 Speaker 4: whether I'm making more fun like rap dance tracks or 187 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 4: kind of flipping between styles, I know that my truth 188 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:52,680 Speaker 4: still doesn't change. 189 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 2: We spoke about the weight and pride of being a 190 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 2: black hip hop artist. In this moment, he talked about 191 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 2: fearless activism and the power of artists who refuse to 192 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:06,199 Speaker 2: be silent, and how that energy is needed everywhere right now. 193 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 4: Hip Hop's always been a platform to express truth, any 194 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 4: sort of adversity that minorities faced on a daily basis, 195 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 4: and I think the community is becoming more comfortable sharing 196 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 4: the adversity and being able to express it in a 197 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:28,319 Speaker 4: way which is almost therapeutic for us. But I think 198 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 4: as well, it's always going to be hard because it's 199 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 4: so personal and generational trauma. It is a very real thing. 200 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 2: This kind of music isn't just music. It's a rally cry, 201 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 2: a stand for language, land and justice. Capes knows this 202 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 2: too well. He rose to fame so young, sharing stages 203 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:53,839 Speaker 2: with major international acts like Kneecap. 204 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:57,319 Speaker 4: It is such a pivotal point for hip hop or 205 00:12:57,400 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 4: artists in general to be using their places platform to 206 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 4: speak about these things, to be able to say, look, 207 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 4: we stand with the oppressed, because that's always been what 208 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 4: hip hop's about. 209 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 2: And as Cape speaks, it's very clear to me this 210 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 2: next generation is not afraid. They know exactly who they 211 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 2: are and they're ready to take this mic and the 212 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 2: message and run it further. We talked about barriers and 213 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 2: even with the success of hip hop artists like one 214 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 2: four and the Kid LaRoy, there's still a long way 215 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:35,559 Speaker 2: to go. Mainstream visibility in the industry doesn't always mean freedom. 216 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 4: I think for Australia, the most popular sound is like 217 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 4: the surf rock or the pop, so it's definitely harder 218 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 4: for hip hop to be on the forefront. With Leroy 219 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 4: coming through with his like melodic, like very modern town, 220 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 4: one four coming through, and obviously they're problems with not 221 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 4: being able to perform, not being able to express themselves. 222 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 4: So it's great that we're getting more radio play, we're 223 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 4: starting to be platformed a bit more, but I still 224 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 4: think we've got a long way to go. 225 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 2: Even in a moment of growth, there are still limits, 226 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 2: gatekeepers in a sense that creative expression, especially whether it's indigenous, 227 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:17,319 Speaker 2: raw or resistant, is not always welcome. But his dream 228 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 2: is bigger than just airplay. It's about cultural impact, systemic infrastructure, 229 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 2: real change. 230 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 4: I think for any sort of remote community there's a 231 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 4: real lack of youth engagement. It's very hard to get 232 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 4: kids wanting to learn. For me, it's being able to 233 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 4: create enough of a platform and financially support myself enough 234 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 4: where I can start opening different centers and start offering 235 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 4: resources to be able to engage the indigenous youth in 236 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 4: the creative art. 237 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 2: In Caps, I see not just the future of black 238 00:14:56,160 --> 00:15:00,160 Speaker 2: hip hop, but I see its strength. I see its versatility, 239 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 2: and I see its power to move beyond music into 240 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 2: real healing led by our ancestors building new worlds from 241 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 2: our foundations. 242 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 4: What we're speaking is our genuine truth. We're not looking 243 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 4: for sympathy. We're not looking for an apology. We're just 244 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 4: looking for change. Yes it comes across as loud, Yes 245 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 4: it comes across as angry, But I think people have 246 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 4: to understand. 247 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 3: That we have a right to be. 248 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 4: All we're looking for, especially when it comes to black 249 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 4: hip hop, is improvement and change. 250 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 2: Hip hop was the rose that grew out the concrete, 251 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 2: blossoming beautifully into the garden that now grows all around 252 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 2: the globe. What we are witnessing with the likes of 253 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 2: Fred Larity and Capes is our own revolution of truth telling, 254 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 2: preservation and sharing of our culture, and leading the groundwork 255 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 2: for the generations to come. This is the legacy our 256 00:15:53,640 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 2: children will honor as their ancestors. 257 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 1: That was Dobby sharing his story and music, including his 258 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: track dippy ew and Pachulinya from Warrengu Riverstory. Today's theme, 259 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 1: Raise Your Voice, was all about using our voices to 260 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 1: do something meaningful for the people around us. Next time, 261 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: you'll hear from Cooury and Jungar comedian lawyer and broadcaster 262 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 1: Micah Kikett exploring the two very different worlds. He walks 263 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 1: between the courtroom and the comedy club, from legal briefs 264 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 1: to punchlines. He'll show us what it really means to 265 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 1: speak your truth. Make sure you hit follow in your 266 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 1: podcast app so you don't miss a moment. I'm ndon 267 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 1: Arabel's and this is Find and Tell. Find and Tell 268 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 1: is a co production between iHeart Australia and the black 269 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 1: Cast podcast network. Black Cast empowers First Nations people and 270 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 1: people of color to reclaim their narratives, strength and cultural 271 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:03,479 Speaker 1: identity and contribute to a more inclusive Australia by showcasing 272 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 1: exciting emergent talent from Australian communities.