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Speaker 1: Joining me on the line is the CLP's member for Namajira,

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Speaker 1: Bill Yan. Good morning to you.

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Speaker 2: Bill, Good morning Katie.

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Speaker 3: How are you going?

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Speaker 1: Not too bad now?

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Speaker 3: Bill?

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Speaker 1: Obviously you and I do to have a discussion about

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Speaker 1: an incident that it occurred in Alice Springs, and we

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Speaker 1: will talk about that in just a moment. But mate,

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Speaker 1: I'm assuming that you have heard the news from overnight

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Speaker 1: that a nineteen year old has lost his life after

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Speaker 1: as after being stabbed at a bottle shop over overnight

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Speaker 1: just before nine pm. What is your reaction?

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Speaker 2: Okay, Look, this is absolutely tragic, and like you, I

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Speaker 2: can't begin to explain how I sort of feel about

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Speaker 2: it like that, you know, and you get going to

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Speaker 2: work in a bottle like it's not as if there's

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Speaker 2: certain jobs that carry a little bit of inherent risk

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Speaker 2: corrections of police officers, for there's a little bit of

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Speaker 2: risk sometimes when you go to work, and as one

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Speaker 2: of those sort of employees, you accept that risk in

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Speaker 2: nineteen years old going to work in a bottle and

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Speaker 2: not coming home. Yeah, that's I said. I can't I

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Speaker 2: can't explain it. I can't really express that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is absolutely devastating. And Bill it's I think

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Speaker 1: that the really sad part of this is as well,

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Speaker 1: is that everybody's seen an escalation in the types of

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Speaker 1: violence and the types of behavior that we have seen

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Speaker 1: in recent weeks at some of our bottle shops and

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Speaker 1: at some of our licensed venues. And it's something that

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Speaker 1: Alice Springs is certainly not immune to.

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Speaker 2: No, certainly, look, and you're right, there's been increasing in

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Speaker 2: defending at bottles, I said, and our pubs and clubs

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Speaker 2: and license venues, and we've been calling this out. I

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Speaker 2: know I've been calling it out now for months and

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Speaker 2: months and months for something to be done because the

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Speaker 2: pressure gips getting put back on the licensees and the

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Speaker 2: bottilizers and the hospitality to manage these sorts of things.

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Speaker 2: These people aren't trying to deal with that sort of stuff.

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Speaker 2: These people work in retail. They're working with people, that's

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Speaker 2: their job. They're not law enforcement. They're not trying to

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Speaker 2: deal with these high conflict situations. I was only saying

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Speaker 2: recently where I think there was some of the bodilizer.

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Speaker 2: I told the stuff don't engage. Anybody cares safety of

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Speaker 2: this stuff. And this is where governments need to step

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Speaker 2: up and need to have the appropriate laws and legislation

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Speaker 2: in place and give the powers to the people who

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Speaker 2: aren't trained to do these things to be able to

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Speaker 2: protect those people, because you can't expect someone who works

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Speaker 2: in hospitality, someone who works in customer service.

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Speaker 1: We seem to have lost to their bill. Hopefully, hopefully

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Speaker 1: you're still there.

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Speaker 2: That's what I've end up with today.

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Speaker 1: Bill. Look, it's not you know, this is it's an

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Speaker 1: absolute tragedy is you know, is what it is. And

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Speaker 1: there is no doubt that a lot of people are

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Speaker 1: going to be really quite angry as well. I think

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Speaker 1: today upon hearing this news, devastation the first thing, and

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Speaker 1: then then anger that we're in a situation where something

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Speaker 1: like this can happen to a young bloke that's working

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Speaker 1: in a bottle shop. I mean, what needs to change here, Bill.

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Speaker 2: Well, there's got to at the end of that first

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Speaker 2: and foremost. But we've got to this point because there's

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Speaker 2: been a lot of there's no consequence for action. People

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Speaker 2: can admit it and defense nothing happens. So they go

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Speaker 2: back and they commit another offense, and that behavior escalates,

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Speaker 2: that escalates, it continues to escalate. What we had last night.

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Speaker 2: They said we've got a young prolog nine yss lost

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Speaker 2: his life because there's been no consequence for bloody action.

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Speaker 2: That's what really pisses my op. I've seen it in

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Speaker 2: the cast ideal setting. You see people commit this offense, dispends,

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Speaker 2: this happens, and this happens, and this happens, and they

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Speaker 2: escalate up to some much high lettle offenses. And this

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Speaker 2: has now happening in the real world. That's happening the

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Speaker 2: every day, and it's got to stop otherwise it's going

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Speaker 1: Well, and Bill, we heard towards the end of last

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Speaker 1: a rock thrown at him, and it is looking as

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Speaker 2: Hell lesure, right, Katie, I was taught yesterday. He's hoping

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Speaker 2: in there since Thursday night last BOYD, it looks pretty

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Speaker 2: well one hundred percent sure that he's lost the sight

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Speaker 2: just done to work and he was actually helping fleets

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Speaker 2: out after that two year old was in that vehicle

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Speaker 2: You just do any job Thursday night, helping out and

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Speaker 2: rock through the window from a rock throw again which

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Speaker 2: we've been calling out for so long, hiding square in

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Speaker 2: the eye, and he's going to lose sight of that.

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Speaker 2: So it looks like you keep he's of and he's

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Speaker 2: lost the site. So at fifty two years old, with

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Speaker 2: all changes, he can't drive for three months, which is understandable.

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Speaker 2: But the upside, look, there's only one upside. He He've

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Speaker 2: got his workplace. He works for a small business and

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Speaker 2: they're all like family. They're going to step up and

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Speaker 2: do everything they can to get back into the workplace

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Speaker 2: and supporting through what's going to happen for the change

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Speaker 2: now to his life, which are of course will be considerable,

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Speaker 2: but yeah, getting back to work, getting back to normalization,

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Speaker 2: and that support from his work, college, and look our

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Speaker 2: I had no doubt about that. But again, this is

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Speaker 2: something that's preventable. It's behavior that's been allowed to continue,

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Speaker 2: it allowed to escalate it and the kids acting with

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Speaker 2: impunity throwing these rocks. And when Matt got hitting the

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Speaker 2: eye of the rock, there's a police card right beyond

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Speaker 2: his track back to the police are following back to

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Speaker 2: the police compound. Unload this for eenngis yeah, and as

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Speaker 2: a police can't behind him, and it shows how brazen

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Speaker 2: these people are. It's like that they don't care for people,

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Speaker 2: they don't care for community, they don't care for property.

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Speaker 2: And that's something that's been allowed to happen, which I said,

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Speaker 2: We've got to turn around.

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Speaker 1: It has to turn around, something has to change. Bill.

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Speaker 1: I do want to ask you, obviously the ARA if

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Speaker 1: you're a by election held over the weekend, Labor one

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Speaker 1: with a massive majority. Manuel Brown is set to represent

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Speaker 1: the seat in the Northern Territory Parliament. He secured sixty

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Speaker 1: six percent of the first preference votes with more than

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Speaker 1: half of the votes counted, beating the colp's candidate. Now

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Speaker 1: there has been a big swing towards the Labor Party

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Speaker 1: in this seat. What is your reaction to that.

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Speaker 2: Oh, look, congratulations to Labor, congratulations to Manual for women

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Speaker 2: the seat. At this point in time, Cati, I really

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Speaker 2: don't care about Labor retaining their seat and are if

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Speaker 2: you're all I care about his labor now stepping up

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Speaker 2: and doing the basic job, providing that basic tenement to

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Speaker 2: every territory. And that's about keeping a safe, keeping a

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Speaker 2: safe at home, keeping the safe at work, and keeping

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Speaker 2: us safe about going about our daily business. So they've

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Speaker 2: got a new member in congratulations, start doing some real work,

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Speaker 2: start protecting territories. That's what I say to them.

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Speaker 1: Well, Bill, I guess so there are going to be

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Speaker 1: people asking the question out there in the community this morning.

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Speaker 1: Easily of Finocchio safe as the leader following another by

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Speaker 2: She certainly is Katie Lesson leading a great job journey

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Speaker 2: during the by election. It was always going to be

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Speaker 2: difficult for the seale P in that by election. I said,

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Speaker 2: Lawrence was a good member out there, and of course

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Speaker 2: Lawrence is or was a Labor member, and of course

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Speaker 2: people are in the communities know that, and they've supported

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Speaker 2: Labor because Lawrence was a good member out there. And

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Speaker 2: that's the way that it's on. At the end of

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Speaker 2: the day, it's I said, Manuel, now he's got to

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Speaker 2: that safety message to the people in t Wee because

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Speaker 2: rest of us SO Bill.

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Speaker 3: From your perspective, and crime, so he's not going to

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Speaker 3: have to convince his own wing, his own party to

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Speaker 1: From your perspective, nothing that the CLP could have done differently,

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Speaker 1: And and you firmly believed that Leah still has the

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Speaker 1: support of not only the parliamentary wing but the rank

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Speaker 2: Certainly got the support of the parliamentary wing, Katie one

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Speaker 2: hundred percent. Could we have done anything differently out there? Look,

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Speaker 2: you'll always go back in hindsight and say we could

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Speaker 2: have done this, and we could have done that. I

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Speaker 2: don't think there's much we could have done which would

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Speaker 2: have changed the outcome too much. It was always Labors

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Speaker 2: whose by election to lose. We're always the underdogs coming

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Speaker 2: into this by election. Look, it would have been great

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Speaker 2: for Lizzie's a great a really nice bloke and a

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Speaker 2: great family and they said he worked his hard out

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Speaker 2: during the by election. We hope to see Leslie back

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Speaker 2: again for us in twenty twenty four and it may

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Speaker 2: be a very very different outcome in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: Well Bill Yan, the member for Namajira. We always appreciate

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Speaker 1: your time. Thanks very much for having a chat with

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Speaker 1: us today.

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Speaker 2: Cheers Katie and thanks for having on this morning.

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Speaker 1: Thank you