WEBVTT - Ask Uncut - My Partner Does Drugs on Special Occasions

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<v Speaker 1>Life Uncut acknowledges the traditional custodians of country whose lands

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<v Speaker 1>were never seated.

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<v Speaker 2>We pay our respects to their elders past and present.

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<v Speaker 3>Always was, always will be Aboriginal Land. Hi, guys, and

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<v Speaker 3>welcome back to another episode of Live One Cut.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm Laura, and I produced a Keisha.

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<v Speaker 2>And Laura, look, you don't sound fabulous.

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<v Speaker 3>If I'm shut up, don't draw more attention to.

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<v Speaker 5>How's bally Barali is great?

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<v Speaker 3>Except I am a little bit sick and I am

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit hungover because mom's gone wild. No, we

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<v Speaker 3>didn't go wild. We just my sister and I. On

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<v Speaker 3>our very first night here, it was like the night

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<v Speaker 3>after we did our record on Tuesday. We went out

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<v Speaker 3>for dinner and then dinner turned into Lachi my teenies,

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<v Speaker 3>and then I convinced her to go to a night club.

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<v Speaker 3>And I don't know what happened. Actually it's a lie.

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<v Speaker 3>I do know what happened. I just woke up the

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<v Speaker 3>next day and I was like, this is not a

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<v Speaker 3>productive use of my time. So I have the deep regrets,

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<v Speaker 3>the deep deep regrets right now.

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<v Speaker 1>The lychim tities get you when they're so sweet and

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<v Speaker 1>so nice. Cocktails can fuck you because you're just like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>fruit juice, woo woo woo, and then it's actually not

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<v Speaker 1>fruit juice, and then you're slut dropping at lafavella one

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<v Speaker 1>in the morning on a Monday.

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<v Speaker 2>A very schools of you.

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<v Speaker 5>It wasn't even that.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, I think because I said this on Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 3>But like my sister and I, we never ever ever

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<v Speaker 3>get to just spend time together without the kids and

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<v Speaker 3>just have grown up conversation, and so we did the

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<v Speaker 3>complete opposite. We regress to our eighteen year old selves.

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<v Speaker 3>But no, look, it was one night, and we're allowed

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<v Speaker 3>to have one night. And now we're back at work,

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<v Speaker 3>we're back in workstations. We're just sorry for it. That's

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<v Speaker 3>what we are.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you get too excited when you don't do

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<v Speaker 1>it often, like you just get a little bit too excited,

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<v Speaker 1>you go a little too hard, and then you're reminded

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<v Speaker 1>of exactly why you stopped doing that, like you're reminded.

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<v Speaker 2>Of why you completely stop drinking genuinely.

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<v Speaker 3>But also, I can't remember the last time I had

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<v Speaker 3>a hangover, Like I don't.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not something that is common in my life at all. Anymore,

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<v Speaker 3>which is interesting because we have a conversation to talk

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<v Speaker 3>about today about partying.

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<v Speaker 5>I haven't even been to a nightclub in like over

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<v Speaker 5>two years.

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<v Speaker 1>I actually can remember my last hangover, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>because it happened at your house. It was after my

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<v Speaker 1>thirtieth birthday, and it was one of the most regrettable

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<v Speaker 1>times I've ever had. And I had to be at

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<v Speaker 1>your house for this really beautiful lunch and the food

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<v Speaker 1>was so good. But this is the thing that I've

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<v Speaker 1>learned about hangovers. It makes you hate everything about your

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<v Speaker 1>life the next day and you can't enjoy anything, and

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<v Speaker 1>that food was so good.

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<v Speaker 5>We don't condone any of this. Okay, this is not us.

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<v Speaker 3>This is us saying that every so often you think

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<v Speaker 3>you have a handle on it and then.

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<v Speaker 5>Things go a bit pear shaped. And for you, key,

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<v Speaker 5>sure it was your thirtieth.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, be careful if there's cocktails, because that's what got me. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>it was the cocktail juice that sent me to another place.

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<v Speaker 1>So Law's you're in Bali at the moment, but we

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<v Speaker 1>had our shit together and we recorded the questions for

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<v Speaker 1>this episode before you went to Bali. Because you know

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<v Speaker 1>now that we're doing the youtubes, we've got to have

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<v Speaker 1>the good filmed content to come up there. And this episode,

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<v Speaker 1>the questions are really long, so we're gonna keep this

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<v Speaker 1>really short in the intro.

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<v Speaker 2>But you and I disagreed on.

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<v Speaker 4>A lot in this particular episode.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I think it was good.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it came from like balanced perspectives, because sometimes

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<v Speaker 3>it's hard to always come to a place of resolution,

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<v Speaker 3>especially if you show up with a different set of

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<v Speaker 3>standards or we're in a different place in life together.

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<v Speaker 3>But some of these questions are a little bit spicier

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<v Speaker 3>than what we would normally answer, and some of them

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<v Speaker 3>took a lot of consideration to try and get to

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<v Speaker 3>a really needed place of what could be a good

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<v Speaker 3>resolution for you. But also if you are watching along

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<v Speaker 3>on YouTube. The reason why we kind of mentioned that

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<v Speaker 3>we're in two different places that we did the questions

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<v Speaker 3>in Sydney and then the start of this episode whilst

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<v Speaker 3>we're away twofold One is because obviously the video is

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<v Speaker 3>going to look different. I am in my trashed hotel

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<v Speaker 3>room right now. And two, it's because we wanted to

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<v Speaker 3>keep things as current as possible with brit being away

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<v Speaker 3>and in the Jungle just in case anything happened that

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<v Speaker 3>we would need to reflect for you guys. But unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 3>over here in Bali you can't access ten plays. You

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<v Speaker 3>have to get a VPN for it. You've got to

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<v Speaker 3>bypass like your location, and I am not technology inclined

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<v Speaker 3>enough to have figured that out. So Kish's been keeping

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<v Speaker 3>me updated on where things are at and how Brit

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<v Speaker 3>in the Jungle has been playing out so far.

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<v Speaker 1>So last night my boyfriend and I were watching I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Aslab Get Me out of Here while we were eating dinner,

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<v Speaker 1>and my recommendation is that you don't do that because

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<v Speaker 1>I actually had to stop because they were eating like

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<v Speaker 1>rattails and stuff. But the voting, to me is a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit strange, and I think a few people in

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<v Speaker 1>the Facebook group mentioned this. So you can vote ten

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<v Speaker 1>times per day, and you can vote separately for the

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<v Speaker 1>trial and to keep.

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<v Speaker 2>Brit from being eliminated.

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<v Speaker 1>So we'll be posting links on our socials and also

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<v Speaker 1>on brit socials if you just want to like follow

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<v Speaker 1>the link because it's a little bit easier. You can

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<v Speaker 1>vote on the tenplay website. But the thing that this

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<v Speaker 1>is kind of weird, and to be honest, like not

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<v Speaker 1>to shit on Imusleb, but I don't like the way

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<v Speaker 1>that they do this personally. You can vote ten times,

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<v Speaker 1>but you have to like actually vote ten times. You

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<v Speaker 1>can't just put all your votes in at once for

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<v Speaker 1>the ten that you want to tally.

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<v Speaker 5>So annoying.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a bit weird.

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<v Speaker 3>But also there's no part of this that surprises me.

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<v Speaker 3>That Channel ten's set up for voting is kind of

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<v Speaker 3>more aimed at.

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<v Speaker 5>Maybe slightly an older generation.

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<v Speaker 3>Who might use phones traditionally rather than the Internet.

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<v Speaker 5>That doesn't surprise me.

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<v Speaker 3>But I do want to say I think at the start,

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<v Speaker 3>Brick would have felt like it was to her benefit

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<v Speaker 3>to not be in the trials, because no one wants

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<v Speaker 3>to do the trials.

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<v Speaker 5>The trials are scary and they grows.

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<v Speaker 3>But at this point in the TV show, we need

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<v Speaker 3>to be voting for her to do the trials because

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<v Speaker 3>it's allowing her to participate in those activities is what

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<v Speaker 3>shows what she's really like. And so if you've been

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<v Speaker 3>avoiding like boarding her up as tribute so far, don't

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<v Speaker 3>like vote for her for trials, vote for her to stay,

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<v Speaker 3>vote for her for everything, because that's the only way

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<v Speaker 3>that we're going to be able to keep her in

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<v Speaker 3>the jungle is if she's able to show more of

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<v Speaker 3>the person that she is. So yeah, So I'll be

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<v Speaker 3>going and putting my ten votes in as soon as

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<v Speaker 3>I finish this. The last thing I wanted to say

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<v Speaker 3>before we get into our vibes and unsubscribes and Keisha,

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<v Speaker 3>this will come as absolutely no surprise to you because

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<v Speaker 3>it's more an admission of my own stupidity. So, traveling internationally,

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<v Speaker 3>I have become so immune to never taking anything with me,

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<v Speaker 3>Like I don't take a wallet anywhere.

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<v Speaker 5>Who needs a wallet?

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<v Speaker 3>I only take my phone because all my cards are

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<v Speaker 3>linked to my phone. So here I am in another

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<v Speaker 3>country with nothing but a phone to try and pay

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<v Speaker 3>for stuff. Not a single credit card, didn't bring one,

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<v Speaker 3>just my phone. But the audacity to rock up to

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<v Speaker 3>a country with nothing to pay for nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>No, this is intervention stage.

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<v Speaker 3>I walked down the door with my passport on my phone,

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<v Speaker 3>like I was, like, who needs anything else?

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<v Speaker 5>The confidence?

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<v Speaker 1>This is unhinged behavior. We spoke on Tuesday's episode about

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<v Speaker 1>how neither of us are planners, but like, that's a

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<v Speaker 1>whole other level.

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<v Speaker 2>It's also kind of smart.

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<v Speaker 1>If you don't want to pay for anything though, like

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<v Speaker 1>if you're traveling with someone who you know can afford it,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe not the worst idea.

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<v Speaker 3>I just I've taken it so deeply for granted. How

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<v Speaker 3>convenient our life is, you know, in Australia, how much

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<v Speaker 3>we can just pay pass for things. You don't need

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<v Speaker 3>anything on you, Your license is on you, your cards

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<v Speaker 3>are on you, and off you go. It doesn't work

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<v Speaker 3>the same here, and I shouldn't be shocked.

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<v Speaker 1>This is especially for people who live in New South

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<v Speaker 1>Wales because our driver's license can be digital.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not like that in every other state. I really

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<v Speaker 2>think Victoria's either brought it in or is bringing it in.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's get into our vibes and unsubscribe to you guys today.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to hit it off because I have a

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<v Speaker 3>vibe from someone who we love across the podcast. Her

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<v Speaker 3>name's Britney Saunders. We've done an interview with her in

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<v Speaker 3>the past if you haven't listened to it. She is

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<v Speaker 3>one of the OG influencers from back in the day.

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<v Speaker 3>She's got over six hundred thousand followers now. But the

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<v Speaker 3>thing that's very cool about Brittany is not the fact

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<v Speaker 3>that she is an influencer by any means. It's the

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<v Speaker 3>fact that she's an incredible business woman. She owns a

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<v Speaker 3>clothing label called Fate Fate. The lay her acumen for

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<v Speaker 3>business and the way that she approaches business is really

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<v Speaker 3>really remarkable. And I say this because she's not someone

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<v Speaker 3>who has done all the marketing courses and shows up

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<v Speaker 3>to with the marketing jargon. She actually has tried so

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<v Speaker 3>many different businesses, so many of them have failed, but

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<v Speaker 3>she's learned the lessons along the way, and now with

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<v Speaker 3>Fate the label, she makes over eight figures in a year,

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<v Speaker 3>so she's in the tens of millions.

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<v Speaker 5>No one knows exactly what that looks like.

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<v Speaker 3>Could be eighty million, could be ten million, but at

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<v Speaker 3>the same time, it is an incredible achievement. Now she

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<v Speaker 3>has just started a podcast. It's called Big Business. I

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<v Speaker 3>listened to the first episode and I loved it because

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<v Speaker 3>I think that there's very few podcasts that are out

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<v Speaker 3>there that are circle around business as the topic, but

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<v Speaker 3>they are more aimed for women. I think a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of business podcasts are done by men, and they're four men,

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<v Speaker 3>and in the language and in the way that they

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<v Speaker 3>speak about the types of businesses that they focus on

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<v Speaker 3>it can be quite isolating to the type of work

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<v Speaker 3>and businesses that women find interesting. Episode one, it was

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<v Speaker 3>brilliant and I think you, guys, if you own a

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<v Speaker 3>small business, if you're thinking about starting a business, wherever

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<v Speaker 3>you are in that journey of entrepreneurship, I think that

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<v Speaker 3>this could be an incredible podcast to listen to.

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<v Speaker 5>So I'm subscribed and I'm on for the ride.

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<v Speaker 1>I also love that Britt is so grounded, like she

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<v Speaker 1>just gets it, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>I feel a.

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<v Speaker 2>Personal connection to her because we were in the same

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<v Speaker 2>mirror at school. We're both from.

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<v Speaker 1>Newcastles and seeing her success but her not change at

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<v Speaker 1>all in her personality, Like she's just so real, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think she has a really unique way of being

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<v Speaker 1>able to have these really high end business conversations but

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<v Speaker 1>also able to just shoot the shit with her mates,

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<v Speaker 1>and like, I think she's unreal.

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<v Speaker 2>I really am really keen to listen to that.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually, and Kisha, what is your vibe or unsubscribe.

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<v Speaker 2>My vibe for this week?

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<v Speaker 4>Do you ever feel as though there's like a celebrity.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it happens a lot with TV shows and

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<v Speaker 1>maybe even books and stuff, But for me, this week

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<v Speaker 1>it was a celebrity that I feel really late to

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<v Speaker 1>the party of.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's Trevor Noah.

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<v Speaker 1>I've known who Trevor Noah is for years, but to

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<v Speaker 1>be honest, like I couldn't have really told.

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<v Speaker 2>You much about him other than the very obvious things.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a South African comedian, but he hosted The Daily Show,

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<v Speaker 1>which is that American late night It kind of crosses

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<v Speaker 1>over between like satirical news and comedy. He hosted that

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<v Speaker 1>until twenty twenty two and I started listening to his podcast.

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<v Speaker 4>So his podcast is.

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<v Speaker 1>Called What Now with Trevor Noah, and it kind of

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<v Speaker 1>led me down a bit of a rabbit hole. And

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<v Speaker 1>I watched this sixty minutes episode from twenty twenty two

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<v Speaker 1>that he did with Leslie Stahl, and his backstory is

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<v Speaker 1>just so incredible. He's apparently written a book which I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to read after. You know, I've got a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of books in my list, and that one's now been

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<v Speaker 1>added to it. His story is really really fascinating. So

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<v Speaker 1>he was born in.

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<v Speaker 4>South Africa, but his dad was Swiss.

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<v Speaker 1>German and his mom was black. And this is during

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<v Speaker 1>the time where apartheid was happening and it was illegal

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<v Speaker 1>for their relationship to exist, and so he went to

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<v Speaker 1>live with his mom because he was colored. Kind of

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<v Speaker 1>talks about the fact that he never really felt as

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<v Speaker 1>though we fit into either category, because he also had

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<v Speaker 1>to be hidden in the car when they were driving

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<v Speaker 1>and they would run into police officers otherwise, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he was fearful that he was going to be taken

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<v Speaker 1>into an orphanage.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, So he has a podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>They release an episode per week, and he is joined

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<v Speaker 1>by all different people.

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<v Speaker 6>A lot of them are just his friends, and they

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<v Speaker 6>kind of have that really.

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting crossover between politics and comedy where they talk about

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<v Speaker 1>things that are happening in the political space, but it's funny,

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<v Speaker 1>like it's not to me.

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<v Speaker 2>I find it really interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't find it like a draw, even though some

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<v Speaker 1>of the points that they make are very politically charged.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, a couple of things. Basically, my vibe of

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<v Speaker 1>this week is just I really like Trevor Noah and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to listen to his podcast more regularly. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>also going to you know, read his book, and I

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<v Speaker 1>will also link the sixty minutes episode that I watch.

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<v Speaker 1>It's only thirteen minutes long, which is ironic because it

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<v Speaker 1>was on sixty minutes. I'll link that in the show

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<v Speaker 1>notes as well, because I found it really really interest Kisha.

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<v Speaker 3>I know nothing about who this person is because I

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<v Speaker 3>when it comes to celebrities, I don't know if you

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<v Speaker 3>guys know this about me, but unless I'm looking at

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<v Speaker 3>a photo of a celebrity, I am so name blank

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<v Speaker 3>with who a person is. Is there a specific episode

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<v Speaker 3>from the podcast that you would recommend or one that

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<v Speaker 3>you've listened to that you thought from a topic from

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<v Speaker 3>a political perspective was the most interesting.

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<v Speaker 4>So there was a particular episode that they did.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was about two weeks ago, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was about there's bills being passed in America about potentially

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<v Speaker 1>banning TikTok because it's got a Chinese owner. And I've

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<v Speaker 1>read a lot of articles about this, and I've also

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<v Speaker 1>listened to a couple of podcasts and heard other social

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<v Speaker 1>commentators talk about it. But I found their perspective very

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<v Speaker 1>different to what the other perspectives that I've heard on

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<v Speaker 1>the particular topic were, which I think is kind of

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<v Speaker 1>why I'm really like, I'm gravitating towards this pod and

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<v Speaker 1>I want to listen to it more is because I

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<v Speaker 1>feel as though they give me a bit to think about.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's also not draining because they do it in

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<v Speaker 1>a funny way. So I really like that type of

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<v Speaker 1>like engagement in content where it doesn't feel as though

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<v Speaker 1>it's really heavy and I've got to really pay attention,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. So Tremonoh's pod it is called what Now.

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<v Speaker 1>As for all of our vibes, will.

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<v Speaker 2>Link them in the shre notes.

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<v Speaker 3>Question number one. I've been with my boyfriend for two

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<v Speaker 3>and a half years. We are twenty four. We lived

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<v Speaker 3>together and we share a pet. We've had lots of

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<v Speaker 3>ups and downs. I'm a hyper romantic and extrovert. He's

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<v Speaker 3>pretty negative and modest at times and doesn't like to

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<v Speaker 3>show his affection unless he's drunk or we're alone.

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<v Speaker 5>That's fucking weird.

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<v Speaker 3>Over the past year, our sex life has gone from

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<v Speaker 3>weekly to one to two times a month. I love

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<v Speaker 3>him so much, and despite our arguments, I want this

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<v Speaker 3>to work. When I question him as to why we

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<v Speaker 3>aren't having more sex, he says, you nag me about

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<v Speaker 3>it too much, and it seems like you're forcing the seductiveness.

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<v Speaker 3>I pulled back any attempt to be overly sexual or touchy,

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<v Speaker 3>and nothing has changed. I even put on lingerie, wore

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<v Speaker 3>his favorite perfume and lick candles, and he still said no,

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<v Speaker 3>he didn't feel like it. I understand, but I'm so lost.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm so young to be in this position because I

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<v Speaker 3>know that nothing's going to change now, but.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know what else to do.

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<v Speaker 3>I listen to the podcast every day, and I read

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<v Speaker 3>all the Facebook posts, and I know most people would say,

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<v Speaker 3>just dump him, but it's so hard when you're basing

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<v Speaker 3>the reason for the breakup on his negative persona and

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<v Speaker 3>the lack of intimacy. How do I start again after

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<v Speaker 3>three years of this? Because I'm scared. I feel sorry

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<v Speaker 3>for you, because we love you. Firstly, I actually.

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<v Speaker 1>Think this is a bit more of a broader societal thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I listened to a podcast a couple of weeks ago

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<v Speaker 1>with a sex and relationship expert, and they actually found

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<v Speaker 1>that the most optimum frequency for having sex is a

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<v Speaker 1>lot lower than what I think we have been led

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<v Speaker 1>to believe. They found that three times a month is

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<v Speaker 1>the most optimum.

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<v Speaker 3>It's still like once every week and a half. These

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<v Speaker 3>guys are having sex once a month, one to two

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<v Speaker 3>times a month.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know why I actually feel quite differently about this.

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<v Speaker 1>If that works for you, that's fine. If having sex

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<v Speaker 1>once every six months is what you and your partner desire,

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<v Speaker 1>play on, who am I to tell you any different?

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<v Speaker 1>Like sex drive, it's going to ebb and flow, it's

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<v Speaker 1>going to go up and down throughout different stages of

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<v Speaker 1>your relationship.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you are the type of.

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<v Speaker 1>Person who doesn't want to have sex that frequently, that's

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<v Speaker 1>actually okay.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, But I think in this instance, it's not just

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<v Speaker 3>about sex. It is said he's pretty negative and modest

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<v Speaker 3>at times and doesn't like to show his affection unless

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<v Speaker 3>he's drunk or we're alone.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know what I think the bigger problem in

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<v Speaker 1>this situation is is that it sounds to me as

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<v Speaker 1>though your love language is physical touch, and it sounds

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<v Speaker 1>as though he either doesn't understand or doesn't care how

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<v Speaker 1>to show you love in the way that you actually

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<v Speaker 1>are going.

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<v Speaker 4>To totally loved totally.

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<v Speaker 3>And also, I mean, it's really hard being with someone

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<v Speaker 3>who you love who is negative and isn't showing you

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<v Speaker 3>affection or love and the only time they're doing it

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<v Speaker 3>is when they're absolutely fucking blind or no one's around,

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<v Speaker 3>so you feel like, Oh, you embarrassed by me, you

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<v Speaker 3>ashamed of me? Like, why do I have to try

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<v Speaker 3>so hard? The thing, I have a lot of feelings

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<v Speaker 3>about this. Firstly, I want to say I'm so sorry

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<v Speaker 3>that you're going through this because I think at the

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<v Speaker 3>three year mark, when you're like, I love this person

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<v Speaker 3>so much and I'm trying so hard, this isn't about

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<v Speaker 3>you trying. This is about are they trying? Are they

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<v Speaker 3>putting an effort? Because you can only make a relationship

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<v Speaker 3>work if you're both showing up to that relationship equally,

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<v Speaker 3>and you're both putting the effort in because you both

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<v Speaker 3>want to be there. And when you say you know

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<v Speaker 3>I've bought lingerie, I'm trying to do these things to

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<v Speaker 3>spark the romance, he needs to also be coming to

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<v Speaker 3>the table to want those things and to want you

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<v Speaker 3>and to want the relationship and to want to put

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<v Speaker 3>the effort in. It's the lack of trying on his

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<v Speaker 3>part that's making you feel defeated. It's also the sense

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<v Speaker 3>of rejection totally, like you're being rejected by the person

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<v Speaker 3>that you think loves you the most and that you

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<v Speaker 3>are kind of innately meant to be sexual with so

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<v Speaker 3>those needs are not being met and that I know

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<v Speaker 3>that you've said, like, I want to make this work,

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<v Speaker 3>but if you are with someone it's very normal to

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<v Speaker 3>be in a relationship with someone who has a different

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<v Speaker 3>love language to you. But it's not normal to be

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<v Speaker 3>in a relationship with someone who knows how you feel

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<v Speaker 3>loved and appreciated and isn't willing to attempt to fulfill

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<v Speaker 3>that need for you. So, like, it's really clear to

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<v Speaker 3>me reading this that you're a physical touch person. You

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<v Speaker 3>like intimacy, you like that close connection with your partner,

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<v Speaker 3>and if that's not a natural thing to him, if

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<v Speaker 3>he's someone who shows love through gifts or through acts

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<v Speaker 3>of service, that's okay. However, he still needs to be

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<v Speaker 3>showing you love in a way that you're going to

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<v Speaker 3>receive it. He also still needs to try regardless, he

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<v Speaker 3>needs to be trying. Look, I think you guys are

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<v Speaker 3>twenty four years old, and I don't want to like

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<v Speaker 3>put I don't want to sound ageist at all, but

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<v Speaker 3>like when you've had a three year relationship and you

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<v Speaker 3>are still really really young, but you're dealing with really

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<v Speaker 3>big problems, but you're the only one who seems like

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<v Speaker 3>they're actually trying to fix it. I think there's some

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<v Speaker 3>pretty big questions you need to ask yourself, and it's

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<v Speaker 3>around what kind of relationship do you want to have

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<v Speaker 3>for the rest of your life? What kind of relationship

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<v Speaker 3>do you want to have for the next ten years

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<v Speaker 3>or six years or once you have kids. And maybe

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<v Speaker 3>kids aren't on the cards for you, maybe you don't

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<v Speaker 3>want them, and that's fine too, but if you did,

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<v Speaker 3>let me tell you, if you're having sex once a

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<v Speaker 3>month now and you're not satisfied and you have children,

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<v Speaker 3>that's going to go down because the time and energy

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<v Speaker 3>and all the other things that you need in the

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<v Speaker 3>long term in a relationship, like it's harder to put

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<v Speaker 3>effort into your actual relationship when you have so many

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<v Speaker 3>other things in life that are demanding your attention. I

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<v Speaker 3>would say, here, it's time for some very very honest

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<v Speaker 3>conversations around feeling rejected, around feeling as though the effort

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<v Speaker 3>you're putting in is not being matched. And maybe it'll

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<v Speaker 3>give him an opportunity to say, Okay, well you think

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not trying in this way, but like I've done

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<v Speaker 3>this and this and this, and he can show you

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<v Speaker 3>the ways in which he's committed to the relationship and

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<v Speaker 3>show you the ways, and then that will kind of

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<v Speaker 3>indicate whether it is this mismatch in love language like

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<v Speaker 3>Keisha's saying.

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<v Speaker 4>But also I think.

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<v Speaker 3>It's so important to potentially explore something like going a

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<v Speaker 3>couple's therapy if you really are like I've tried everything,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know what to do, and I am at

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<v Speaker 3>the end of my wits, but I can't walk away

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<v Speaker 3>from this relationship. I would suggest going and speaking to

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<v Speaker 3>an external party and sitting down because maybe it's a

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<v Speaker 3>case that you don't have the tools to communicate. Maybe

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<v Speaker 3>it's the case that you both love each other, you

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<v Speaker 3>both want this relationship to work, but you're speaking a

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<v Speaker 3>different language and no one's listening to each other, and

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<v Speaker 3>like that I often think is like the biggest and

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<v Speaker 3>hardest thing to overcome. And maybe with the advice and

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<v Speaker 3>the guidance of someone who is external and who gives

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<v Speaker 3>you the tools to be able to communicate the and

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<v Speaker 3>help you to unpack a few things that might be

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<v Speaker 3>really helpful for where you guys are at. And I

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<v Speaker 3>don't often I mean, we answer the questions all the time.

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<v Speaker 3>We always advocate for like going and getting help if

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<v Speaker 3>you need it, But very rarely would I say, like,

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<v Speaker 3>go and speak to a relationship counselor. But I think

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<v Speaker 3>you because of the space that you're in where you're like,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't don't want to leave, but nothing is changing,

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<v Speaker 3>that is such an unhealthy place to be in that

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<v Speaker 3>something has to change, and so this would be the

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<v Speaker 3>last thing to try before having all of the information

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<v Speaker 3>and going Okay, it's time to walk away.

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<v Speaker 1>And you're also doing this from a place of already

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<v Speaker 1>feeling rejected. So I think when you're already in that

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<v Speaker 1>place where you're feeling as though any advances you make

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<v Speaker 1>are being rejected.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not a cycle, it's a spiral totally.

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<v Speaker 1>You kind of get fearful of having more conversations because

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<v Speaker 1>you're fearful that that is also going to be rejected.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you don't have this conversation, firstly, he might

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<v Speaker 1>not understand and I might be giving too much benefit

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<v Speaker 1>of the doubt there, But often people they're not very

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<v Speaker 1>in touch with this type of thing, especially men when

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<v Speaker 1>they're twenty four years old. He might not realize how

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<v Speaker 1>much his rejections of your sexual advances are making you

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<v Speaker 1>feel like you're not good enough for him, that you're

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<v Speaker 1>not attractive enough for him, that you're not able to

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<v Speaker 1>induce this intimacy that you think should be so natural

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<v Speaker 1>at the age of twenty four.

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<v Speaker 3>But also it's fucking cruel, like having a conversation of like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I love you, and I don't feel like

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<v Speaker 3>we're having enough sex and I want to be having

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<v Speaker 3>more sex. To be told, you nag me too much

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<v Speaker 3>about it, and it seems like you're forcing the seductiveness,

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<v Speaker 3>Like no shit, I'm forcing the seductiveness. I'm trying. I

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<v Speaker 3>am I've bought sexy laundry like I am trying, and

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<v Speaker 3>you don't want to try, like you don't want to increase.

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<v Speaker 3>So maybe it is a case that he's like, he

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't want to have more sex, and so all of

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<v Speaker 3>your trying is going to fall on death ears. So

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<v Speaker 3>I really think it's like you don't want to get

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<v Speaker 3>to a place where you feel undesired by your partner

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<v Speaker 3>and you feel resentful. So I think it's so important

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<v Speaker 3>for you to figure out what is it that you

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<v Speaker 3>both want, what is it that you both think is

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<v Speaker 3>normal in a relationship, and it's okay for extroverts and

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<v Speaker 3>introverts to be together like that couple dynamic works in

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<v Speaker 3>so many ways, but you still have to be able

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<v Speaker 3>to communicate what you want and feel satisfied and feel loved.

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<v Speaker 3>The other part of this, the very last thing you said,

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<v Speaker 3>is how do I start again after three years of this?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm scared. Relationship breakdowns are fucking scary. Coming to the

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<v Speaker 3>realization that a relationship is not the right one, especially

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<v Speaker 3>when you absolutely love the person and you want it

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<v Speaker 3>to work, is scary. But I think you need to

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<v Speaker 3>get to a point where you feel like you've given everything,

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<v Speaker 3>you've tried everything, and you don't have anything more to try.

0:22:22.760 --> 0:22:25.479
<v Speaker 3>You've put everything on the table, and he's not coming

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<v Speaker 3>to meet you where you need to be met. The

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<v Speaker 3>relationship is not working and it is not right. And

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<v Speaker 3>we say, you know how hard it is to leave

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<v Speaker 3>and everything else, but you will only waste more time

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<v Speaker 3>by staying because of the fear of leaving. If you

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<v Speaker 3>stay for another year or two more years, then you're

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<v Speaker 3>gonna be in the same situation. You'll be like, all right,

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<v Speaker 3>but I've spent five years on this relationship and nothing's changed.

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<v Speaker 3>There does have to come a point where you call

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<v Speaker 3>it and you go, well, for the past a year,

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<v Speaker 3>nothing has changed, Nothing is going to change. Unless he

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<v Speaker 3>changes something, Unless he actively changes something, nothing will change.

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<v Speaker 4>And so what does that then look like for you?

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, we can worry about the sunk cost

0:23:02.160 --> 0:23:04.479
<v Speaker 3>fallacy that we've spoken about so many times, this idea

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<v Speaker 3>that you've invested so much time into a relationship, what

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<v Speaker 3>about that? You know it seems like a waste. That's

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<v Speaker 3>not a waste. It's all about learning what you want

0:23:11.800 --> 0:23:14.320
<v Speaker 3>in your relationships. What's a great match for you? And

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<v Speaker 3>what do you want in a life partner? If that's

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<v Speaker 3>what you want in your life?

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<v Speaker 5>All right?

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<v Speaker 4>Question number two.

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<v Speaker 1>I recently went on a third date with a guy

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<v Speaker 1>which so far everything was going really well. He was

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<v Speaker 1>sticking many boxes in terms of constant communication, making plans,

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<v Speaker 1>and on this night he had initiated dinner, booked the

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<v Speaker 1>restaurant and was even there early and the date went fabulously.

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<v Speaker 1>At the end of the night, after going to a

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<v Speaker 1>bar for more drinks, we decided we wouldn't go home together.

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<v Speaker 1>By this point all we had done was kiss. As

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<v Speaker 1>we were exiting the bar, I saw him on his phone,

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<v Speaker 1>but little did I know that he was already booking

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<v Speaker 1>his uber well. Once we get outside, it's about one am.

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<v Speaker 1>He tells me that his uber is nearly here. I

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<v Speaker 1>quickly book mine, but it says that it's nine minutes away.

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<v Speaker 1>His uber arrives and without he jumps straight in. I

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<v Speaker 1>thought surely he'd check how far away mine was, but

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<v Speaker 1>no he didn't. He just left me standing there on

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<v Speaker 1>the street alone, waiting eight minutes for my uber. I

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<v Speaker 1>thought i'd at least get a message from him asking

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<v Speaker 1>if I got home safe, but nothing. He couldn't have

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<v Speaker 1>cared less how or if I got home. He still

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<v Speaker 1>messaged me the next day asking to see me again.

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<v Speaker 1>Chivalry is huge for me, but sadly his lack of

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<v Speaker 1>care here has given me the major ick.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you think this is bad behavior or a red flag?

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<v Speaker 2>Or should I just carry.

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<v Speaker 6>On seeing him and hope that it was a simple mistake.

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<v Speaker 3>Every week we get red flag questions. Is this a

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<v Speaker 3>red flag? Is this a red flag?

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<v Speaker 1>I think we're a bit too obsessed with the red

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<v Speaker 1>fla we need to put the red flags down.

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<v Speaker 3>Sometimes people do things that are a little bit inconsiderate,

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<v Speaker 3>like one red flag is not always enough to throw

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<v Speaker 3>someone in the bin and to not give them another

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<v Speaker 3>chance dating in this instance, Would this give me the ick?

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<v Speaker 3>Would I be like, you're fucking inconsiderate. Yes, would think that,

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<v Speaker 3>But there are also a lot of people out there

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<v Speaker 3>who haven't really thought about the considerations of chivalry.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>He was just like, Okay, well we're not going home together,

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<v Speaker 3>so I'm going to book my own And he absolutely

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<v Speaker 3>didn't think about you, and he didn't think about how

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<v Speaker 3>you were getting home. Doesn't mean he doesn't care if

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<v Speaker 3>you did or didn't get home. He just expects that

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<v Speaker 3>you are going to get home safe because he's a

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<v Speaker 3>man and he always gets home safe and often women don't.

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<v Speaker 4>But he must be nice, He must be fucking nice.

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<v Speaker 3>He doesn't have to think about the realities of getting

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<v Speaker 3>home safe because he's never had to experience a time

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<v Speaker 3>when he didn't feel safe standing on the side of

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<v Speaker 3>the street at one o'clock in the morning. Because that's

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<v Speaker 3>not a man thing, that's a woman thing. So I

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<v Speaker 3>would say that he is inconsiderate in just choosing to

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<v Speaker 3>get into an uber and not you know, wait, because.

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<v Speaker 4>Like, for me, how would I feel?

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<v Speaker 3>I would be very surprised if a guy did that,

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<v Speaker 3>especially a guy who was wanting to continue to date me.

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<v Speaker 3>That to me, I think is the biggest stand up.

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<v Speaker 3>If he wasn't wanting to date you, and he was

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<v Speaker 3>kind of like this date didn't go well out of here,

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<v Speaker 3>part of me would be a little bit more like,

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<v Speaker 3>of course, well he's not his I mean lack of

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<v Speaker 3>chivalry still, but he's not invested, he's not interested, he's gone.

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<v Speaker 4>Is it a red flag? Maybe?

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<v Speaker 5>Maybe not.

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<v Speaker 3>It may have been a moment of very bad judgment

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<v Speaker 3>after a few glasses of wine, and he might not

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<v Speaker 3>have thought that through and then all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 3>his uber is one minute away.

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<v Speaker 4>He thought it was going to take longer x y Z.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's only up to you as to whether you

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<v Speaker 3>think that that is like too much of a hard

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<v Speaker 3>line and you don't want to date him anymore, because

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<v Speaker 3>I think sometimes when you get the ick, it's almost

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<v Speaker 3>too hard to go.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, I don't know if I want to give this

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<v Speaker 4>a second chance.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel as though, you know, we've progressed so far.

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<v Speaker 1>Feminism has really brought.

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<v Speaker 2>Us so many places.

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<v Speaker 1>Similarly to you, there was this one time that I

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<v Speaker 1>went on a date with a guy and we went

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<v Speaker 1>to this sushi place and I wasn't very hungry because

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<v Speaker 1>I had a really late lunch and it was a

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<v Speaker 1>sushi train and I.

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<v Speaker 4>Ate twelve dollars worth of sushi.

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<v Speaker 1>And you want to know why I know how much

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<v Speaker 1>sushi I ate because he said that we should split

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<v Speaker 1>the bill and we should pay for what we each got,

0:27:01.440 --> 0:27:04.000
<v Speaker 1>and he had ordered like forty dollars worth of food,

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<v Speaker 1>and so I was like, okay, no problem. And after

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<v Speaker 1>that we went and got ice cream and I just

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<v Speaker 1>paid because I was like, we're not doing two separate

0:27:11.720 --> 0:27:15.119
<v Speaker 1>six dollar transactions. And for me, it was a question

0:27:15.200 --> 0:27:16.960
<v Speaker 1>of like, wow.

0:27:16.680 --> 0:27:18.760
<v Speaker 4>I just felt you're a loser. Pay for my twelve

0:27:18.760 --> 0:27:19.480
<v Speaker 4>dollars for sushi.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, I know, it sounds ridiculous because I'm all about

0:27:21.800 --> 0:27:24.240
<v Speaker 1>equality and I'm all about female empowerment and you know,

0:27:24.280 --> 0:27:26.760
<v Speaker 1>maybe we should be splitting the bills like, but for me,

0:27:26.920 --> 0:27:29.680
<v Speaker 1>I definitely felt like it wasn't a particularly chivalrous thing

0:27:29.760 --> 0:27:30.520
<v Speaker 1>for him to do.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and when it comes to dating, being a feminist

0:27:32.640 --> 0:27:34.760
<v Speaker 3>is expensive. It means you pay for more things.

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<v Speaker 5>I wish we.

0:27:36.160 --> 0:27:37.040
<v Speaker 4>Could pick and choose.

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<v Speaker 1>No, Okay, I kind of thought, it's not like We've

0:27:39.080 --> 0:27:41.520
<v Speaker 1>gone to this really expensive restaurant.

0:27:41.800 --> 0:27:44.800
<v Speaker 4>It was twelve dollars, Like, it literally was twelve dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not underplaying it. And I got a really big ick.

0:27:47.720 --> 0:27:50.720
<v Speaker 1>So I understand why you've got the ick here, because.

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<v Speaker 2>There is an element of you, especially.

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<v Speaker 1>On a first date. Sorry this was a third date. Oh,

0:27:54.600 --> 0:27:56.879
<v Speaker 1>I didn't even realize for me it was a first date.

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<v Speaker 1>And I got such a big ick from that because

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, if this is indication bit of like

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<v Speaker 1>how you're going to care for.

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<v Speaker 4>Me, I'm not really that attractive to it. But this

0:28:04.800 --> 0:28:06.440
<v Speaker 4>isn't so much about chivalry.

0:28:06.480 --> 0:28:10.360
<v Speaker 3>This is around consideration, Like he didn't consider you when

0:28:10.400 --> 0:28:12.000
<v Speaker 3>you say, hell, he didn't care how I got home.

0:28:12.320 --> 0:28:14.679
<v Speaker 3>He didn't wait and to make sure that you're safe.

0:28:14.720 --> 0:28:16.800
<v Speaker 3>And I think I would do that for my girlfriend

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<v Speaker 3>if we were out somewhere late at night and I

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<v Speaker 3>didn't know how they were getting home, I would ask

0:28:21.000 --> 0:28:22.840
<v Speaker 3>the question and I would make sure that they were

0:28:22.880 --> 0:28:25.000
<v Speaker 3>safe because I consider the people I care about.

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<v Speaker 4>So I think he nailed it on the head.

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<v Speaker 1>The reason he doesn't think that is because he's never

0:28:30.240 --> 0:28:32.240
<v Speaker 1>been in the situation where it's been a threat for him.

0:28:32.280 --> 0:28:33.520
<v Speaker 4>It's never been his reality.

0:28:33.680 --> 0:28:37.080
<v Speaker 1>So I guess it depends on whether you are willing

0:28:37.119 --> 0:28:39.000
<v Speaker 1>to accept that and you feel like it's okay for

0:28:39.040 --> 0:28:41.960
<v Speaker 1>you to teach him that, which feels very patronizing, like

0:28:42.320 --> 0:28:45.000
<v Speaker 1>should we be teaching people on dates how to give

0:28:45.000 --> 0:28:46.880
<v Speaker 1>a fuck about the safety of the person that they've

0:28:46.920 --> 0:28:47.440
<v Speaker 1>been out with.

0:28:47.800 --> 0:28:49.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it is a little bit of a red flag

0:28:49.760 --> 0:28:53.160
<v Speaker 3>in terms of consideration, how considerate is he as a person.

0:28:53.640 --> 0:28:55.160
<v Speaker 3>But when it comes to all these things that we

0:28:55.280 --> 0:28:58.040
<v Speaker 3>kind of now are unpacking on, you know, our ask

0:28:58.120 --> 0:29:00.240
<v Speaker 3>uncut questions and being like is this.

0:29:00.200 --> 0:29:02.040
<v Speaker 4>A red flag? Isn't this a red flag? Draw a

0:29:02.080 --> 0:29:02.800
<v Speaker 4>line in the sand.

0:29:03.480 --> 0:29:06.880
<v Speaker 3>I think that one thing in silo is not enough

0:29:06.920 --> 0:29:09.800
<v Speaker 3>to put someone in the bin. I think this instance

0:29:09.960 --> 0:29:13.280
<v Speaker 3>maybe isn't enough to completely just write him off. But

0:29:13.360 --> 0:29:15.200
<v Speaker 3>I do think if you had a really great time

0:29:15.200 --> 0:29:17.080
<v Speaker 3>with him, if you think he's been really considerate in

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<v Speaker 3>other ways in how he showed up to the date,

0:29:20.240 --> 0:29:22.800
<v Speaker 3>give him another opportunity to show you that he is

0:29:22.840 --> 0:29:25.560
<v Speaker 3>a considerate person and that this was a it.

0:29:25.640 --> 0:29:26.840
<v Speaker 4>Maybe you know he even he.

0:29:26.960 --> 0:29:28.920
<v Speaker 3>After the fact was like, oh, actually no, maybe not

0:29:28.960 --> 0:29:31.640
<v Speaker 3>because he would have texted My thought on this is

0:29:32.120 --> 0:29:35.280
<v Speaker 3>I would probably give him another opportunity. But if he

0:29:35.360 --> 0:29:38.080
<v Speaker 3>continued to do things like this that made me feel

0:29:38.080 --> 0:29:41.120
<v Speaker 3>like he wasn't considerate towards me, it wouldn't even be

0:29:41.160 --> 0:29:43.239
<v Speaker 3>a question because my eck would be so great that

0:29:43.240 --> 0:29:44.440
<v Speaker 3>I wouldn't want to date him.

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<v Speaker 6>I also think it kind of indicates that he's not

0:29:46.200 --> 0:29:47.120
<v Speaker 6>very good at reading the room.

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<v Speaker 1>Like we all read the news, we all know that

0:29:49.080 --> 0:29:50.600
<v Speaker 1>this is something that women have to.

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<v Speaker 2>Deal with men.

0:29:51.520 --> 0:29:54.080
<v Speaker 1>When he finds out about the gender paygath like his

0:29:54.280 --> 0:29:55.480
<v Speaker 1>brain is gonna blow.

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<v Speaker 4>What are you gonna do then, buddy? Yeah, I think

0:29:58.240 --> 0:29:59.160
<v Speaker 4>I agree with you laws.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if this is an enough to write

0:30:00.960 --> 0:30:03.840
<v Speaker 1>someone off, but it's interesting to kind of have these

0:30:03.840 --> 0:30:06.959
<v Speaker 1>conversations about the way that we want to be treated

0:30:07.000 --> 0:30:09.680
<v Speaker 1>and looked after, and when there's a safety element to it.

0:30:09.760 --> 0:30:12.320
<v Speaker 1>I think it kind of indicates to me that he

0:30:12.360 --> 0:30:14.640
<v Speaker 1>hasn't had many women in his life, like maybe he

0:30:14.680 --> 0:30:16.880
<v Speaker 1>didn't have sisters. I don't know why he hasn't had

0:30:16.920 --> 0:30:19.480
<v Speaker 1>these conversations. I don't know why this isn't second nature

0:30:19.480 --> 0:30:19.840
<v Speaker 1>to him.

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<v Speaker 3>I would also love to know from other people, like

0:30:22.240 --> 0:30:24.360
<v Speaker 3>what you guys think, would you like if you went

0:30:24.400 --> 0:30:26.200
<v Speaker 3>on a date with someone and they would you care

0:30:26.280 --> 0:30:28.320
<v Speaker 3>if they just left and got new ber home and

0:30:28.360 --> 0:30:30.520
<v Speaker 3>sort of themselves out, even though you both made the

0:30:30.560 --> 0:30:33.240
<v Speaker 3>decision not to go home together. Would that offend you?

0:30:33.280 --> 0:30:35.040
<v Speaker 3>Would that give you the ick? Would it make you

0:30:35.160 --> 0:30:39.479
<v Speaker 3>question the values of that person? All?

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<v Speaker 5>Right? This is a.

0:30:40.400 --> 0:30:43.960
<v Speaker 3>Very tricky one to answer, and you'll know why very soon. Okay,

0:30:44.040 --> 0:30:45.920
<v Speaker 3>with partner and I are planning to start our little

0:30:45.920 --> 0:30:48.920
<v Speaker 3>family together. After a recent miscarriage, he was the most

0:30:48.920 --> 0:30:52.600
<v Speaker 3>supportive person, and outside of this we have the best relationship.

0:30:53.000 --> 0:30:55.560
<v Speaker 3>I know he will be such a great parent. He

0:30:55.600 --> 0:30:57.480
<v Speaker 3>will be the stay at home parent after my pay

0:30:57.600 --> 0:31:00.760
<v Speaker 3>lee finishes as I earn more. I'm just not sure

0:31:00.800 --> 0:31:04.120
<v Speaker 3>where I sit on one thing. I know it's common

0:31:04.440 --> 0:31:08.000
<v Speaker 3>and almost normal these days, but every six months or so,

0:31:08.160 --> 0:31:12.440
<v Speaker 3>he uses cocaine on special occasions with friends. This isn't

0:31:12.480 --> 0:31:15.520
<v Speaker 3>really my thing, which he respects, but I appreciate that

0:31:15.560 --> 0:31:18.280
<v Speaker 3>he's always been open when he has used them. He

0:31:18.360 --> 0:31:21.719
<v Speaker 3>agrees without hesitation not to use it while we try again,

0:31:22.080 --> 0:31:24.080
<v Speaker 3>but I get the impression that he may still use

0:31:24.080 --> 0:31:27.280
<v Speaker 3>it on rare occasions in the future. It's not necessarily

0:31:27.320 --> 0:31:29.640
<v Speaker 3>a deal breaker for me, but I just have this

0:31:29.760 --> 0:31:32.000
<v Speaker 3>mindset that it's something that you weed out of your

0:31:32.040 --> 0:31:33.440
<v Speaker 3>life when you become a parent.

0:31:33.920 --> 0:31:35.600
<v Speaker 5>What are your thoughts?

0:31:36.560 --> 0:31:38.600
<v Speaker 1>Okay, there's a couple of things that I'm thinking here,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think firstly, we need to acknowledge the huge

0:31:42.000 --> 0:31:44.760
<v Speaker 1>elephant in the room, and that is the fact that cocaine.

0:31:45.000 --> 0:31:46.440
<v Speaker 2>Funnily enough, it's illegal.

0:31:47.120 --> 0:31:48.840
<v Speaker 3>Cocaine is a very hard thing to talk about, right

0:31:48.840 --> 0:31:51.720
<v Speaker 3>because there's two camps. If you and your friends and

0:31:51.840 --> 0:31:54.760
<v Speaker 3>the people that you're around and your silo of your

0:31:54.800 --> 0:31:58.320
<v Speaker 3>community don't do cocaine, then it is such a foreign

0:31:58.360 --> 0:32:00.960
<v Speaker 3>concept that you're like, one, I would anyone even get

0:32:00.960 --> 0:32:02.920
<v Speaker 3>it to why the fuck would you spend time with

0:32:02.920 --> 0:32:06.440
<v Speaker 3>people who do it? And three like it's illegal, I'm

0:32:06.440 --> 0:32:08.920
<v Speaker 3>not going to take that risk. In Sydney, it is

0:32:09.360 --> 0:32:13.000
<v Speaker 3>actually unbelievably common and it's prolific. And I'm not saying

0:32:13.000 --> 0:32:15.120
<v Speaker 3>that that is okay, and this conversation is in no

0:32:15.200 --> 0:32:18.960
<v Speaker 3>way normalizing it. It is just shocking to me how

0:32:19.160 --> 0:32:21.960
<v Speaker 3>common it really is. And I say this from someone

0:32:21.960 --> 0:32:25.800
<v Speaker 3>who in my twenties I partied, but now in my thirties,

0:32:25.880 --> 0:32:28.600
<v Speaker 3>I don't spend time with people who do cocaine. It's

0:32:28.680 --> 0:32:31.360
<v Speaker 3>not common in my friendship groups. It's not something I'm

0:32:31.400 --> 0:32:33.960
<v Speaker 3>exposed to, and so now it feels more like a

0:32:34.000 --> 0:32:36.960
<v Speaker 3>foreign concept than what it did when it felt way

0:32:37.000 --> 0:32:38.840
<v Speaker 3>more accessible when I was in my twenties and I

0:32:38.880 --> 0:32:40.920
<v Speaker 3>was in different friendship groups and I was going out

0:32:40.960 --> 0:32:43.000
<v Speaker 3>and I was partying. So I think it depends on

0:32:43.040 --> 0:32:45.520
<v Speaker 3>the social scene that you're in. And also I think

0:32:45.560 --> 0:32:47.800
<v Speaker 3>the other thing that's really important to establish is that

0:32:48.040 --> 0:32:50.280
<v Speaker 3>just recently I was reading that there was a drug

0:32:50.360 --> 0:32:53.360
<v Speaker 3>bust that happened in Sydney. That was a syndicate that

0:32:53.480 --> 0:32:55.440
<v Speaker 3>was making and it's only one of many syndicates that

0:32:55.480 --> 0:32:58.600
<v Speaker 3>it would exist in Sydney. It was making seven million

0:32:58.680 --> 0:33:04.200
<v Speaker 3>dollars a day distributing recreational cocaine. So when you think

0:33:04.240 --> 0:33:07.080
<v Speaker 3>of the scale of that in such a condensed area,

0:33:07.200 --> 0:33:08.400
<v Speaker 3>I think that that gives you a bit of an

0:33:08.480 --> 0:33:11.280
<v Speaker 3>understanding just how common it must be for some people

0:33:11.280 --> 0:33:11.720
<v Speaker 3>to use.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think the way that I would like to

0:33:14.120 --> 0:33:16.600
<v Speaker 1>talk about this is not so much from the legal

0:33:16.640 --> 0:33:19.400
<v Speaker 1>side of things, because we all know that drugs are illegal,

0:33:20.120 --> 0:33:21.840
<v Speaker 1>but also I don't even just want to talk about

0:33:21.840 --> 0:33:24.000
<v Speaker 1>it from cocaine. I want to talk about this from

0:33:24.040 --> 0:33:26.000
<v Speaker 1>any type of drug, because I think that this is

0:33:26.040 --> 0:33:29.280
<v Speaker 1>a question that a lot of people have within their relationships,

0:33:29.480 --> 0:33:31.120
<v Speaker 1>and to give a little bit of background, because I

0:33:31.120 --> 0:33:32.640
<v Speaker 1>know that I might be using some words that sound

0:33:32.680 --> 0:33:35.560
<v Speaker 1>a bit strange. Before I worked with the Girls, I

0:33:35.720 --> 0:33:38.760
<v Speaker 1>actually did an honors in biomedical science and my research

0:33:38.920 --> 0:33:42.560
<v Speaker 1>was in addictions, specifically of genetic factors that affect cocaine addiction.

0:33:42.840 --> 0:33:45.760
<v Speaker 2>So my background looked.

0:33:45.520 --> 0:33:48.640
<v Speaker 1>A lot at the physiological side of drug use and

0:33:48.720 --> 0:33:52.520
<v Speaker 1>what contributed to drug behavior. I didn't really look at

0:33:52.560 --> 0:33:54.400
<v Speaker 1>the legalities of it, and I think that's why I

0:33:54.480 --> 0:33:56.440
<v Speaker 1>kind of look at this question and I may view

0:33:56.440 --> 0:33:58.040
<v Speaker 1>it a little bit differently to how a lot of

0:33:58.040 --> 0:34:00.200
<v Speaker 1>other people do, so I just wanted to establish that

0:34:00.280 --> 0:34:03.520
<v Speaker 1>before I kind of say more when we're talking about

0:34:03.560 --> 0:34:05.880
<v Speaker 1>drug use. I think the things that are really important

0:34:05.880 --> 0:34:08.920
<v Speaker 1>to check yourself or maybe check your partner is whether

0:34:08.960 --> 0:34:11.440
<v Speaker 1>it is having a really negative effect on your life.

0:34:11.760 --> 0:34:14.680
<v Speaker 1>It's also important to consider does your partner or do

0:34:14.880 --> 0:34:17.239
<v Speaker 1>you have the ability to say no? If they're an

0:34:17.360 --> 0:34:21.880
<v Speaker 1>environment where drugs are happening, do you have the control

0:34:21.960 --> 0:34:24.560
<v Speaker 1>over that decision or do you feel peer pressured into it.

0:34:25.280 --> 0:34:28.400
<v Speaker 1>Other things to consider are does your behavior change, do

0:34:28.480 --> 0:34:31.239
<v Speaker 1>you get aggressive, do you get more flirty. That's a

0:34:31.280 --> 0:34:33.920
<v Speaker 1>really common thing that people don't like their partners doing

0:34:34.000 --> 0:34:36.160
<v Speaker 1>drugs because of because they say that, you know, they

0:34:36.280 --> 0:34:38.399
<v Speaker 1>kind of go out, they lose their inhibitions, and they

0:34:39.120 --> 0:34:41.040
<v Speaker 1>may do things that you would deem to.

0:34:41.000 --> 0:34:42.680
<v Speaker 2>Be cheating in your relationship.

0:34:42.760 --> 0:34:45.000
<v Speaker 1>And another thing to think about is whether it's having

0:34:45.080 --> 0:34:48.600
<v Speaker 1>a significant financial impact on you because drugs are expensive.

0:34:49.120 --> 0:34:51.640
<v Speaker 1>What I do like about this situation is that your

0:34:51.680 --> 0:34:55.680
<v Speaker 1>partner seems to have control over the choice because he

0:34:55.800 --> 0:34:58.480
<v Speaker 1>said that he's agreed without hesitation, to not use it

0:34:58.520 --> 0:34:59.359
<v Speaker 1>while you try again.

0:34:59.480 --> 0:35:00.720
<v Speaker 2>So to me, that's a tick.

0:35:01.239 --> 0:35:04.880
<v Speaker 1>It also seems as though the frequency isn't particularly high,

0:35:05.080 --> 0:35:07.040
<v Speaker 1>and you've said that it's not a deal breaker.

0:35:07.239 --> 0:35:09.080
<v Speaker 2>So what I would deem this.

0:35:09.000 --> 0:35:11.880
<v Speaker 1>To be in my view in my relationship, I wouldn't

0:35:11.920 --> 0:35:14.240
<v Speaker 1>see this as being problematic use of drugs.

0:35:14.560 --> 0:35:16.360
<v Speaker 3>I guess My thing is is like the big question

0:35:16.400 --> 0:35:18.560
<v Speaker 3>here is is this something that you weed out after

0:35:18.600 --> 0:35:22.480
<v Speaker 3>you have kids? And in my experience, yes it is,

0:35:22.880 --> 0:35:24.839
<v Speaker 3>because it's not just I guess my rebuttal to what

0:35:24.880 --> 0:35:28.880
<v Speaker 3>you say, keish is problematic is problematic to who problematic

0:35:28.920 --> 0:35:30.920
<v Speaker 3>to the user or problematic to the person who's in

0:35:30.960 --> 0:35:33.759
<v Speaker 3>a relationship with them, because I don't want to be

0:35:33.760 --> 0:35:36.480
<v Speaker 3>in a relationship with somebody who does cocaine at or

0:35:36.520 --> 0:35:38.239
<v Speaker 3>at least he's honest about it, you know, at least

0:35:38.239 --> 0:35:39.880
<v Speaker 3>he's coming home and he's telling you, he's not hiding it,

0:35:39.960 --> 0:35:42.400
<v Speaker 3>all of those sorts of things. But I guess for me,

0:35:42.520 --> 0:35:44.960
<v Speaker 3>and the way I would feel is if I had

0:35:44.960 --> 0:35:48.040
<v Speaker 3>communicated that this is something that made me upset and

0:35:48.080 --> 0:35:51.720
<v Speaker 3>it's such an infrequent thing that he has quote unquote

0:35:51.719 --> 0:35:54.080
<v Speaker 3>control over. I'm not saying you can't go out and

0:35:54.120 --> 0:35:55.840
<v Speaker 3>have drinks. I'm not saying you can't go out and

0:35:55.880 --> 0:35:58.839
<v Speaker 3>party with your friends. I'm just saying that this thing

0:35:59.440 --> 0:36:01.279
<v Speaker 3>that is a ly that I don't want you to

0:36:01.320 --> 0:36:05.960
<v Speaker 3>do because of potentially the repercussions that could happen and

0:36:06.000 --> 0:36:09.040
<v Speaker 3>the risks that might be involved. I guess like I

0:36:09.080 --> 0:36:13.279
<v Speaker 3>would hate that my partner was prioritizing his once every

0:36:13.320 --> 0:36:16.719
<v Speaker 3>six month need to do cocaine over our wellbeing and

0:36:16.760 --> 0:36:18.759
<v Speaker 3>our happiness as a couple. Like that for me would

0:36:18.760 --> 0:36:21.640
<v Speaker 3>sit uncomfortably, and I guess I would question if it's

0:36:21.640 --> 0:36:25.680
<v Speaker 3>so important to you to do that, you would sacrifice

0:36:25.760 --> 0:36:28.919
<v Speaker 3>our combined happiness, like where is the line there? Then

0:36:29.120 --> 0:36:32.520
<v Speaker 3>as a relationship sacrifice, I probably have more of a

0:36:32.560 --> 0:36:35.440
<v Speaker 3>bias as a parent because I know that there are

0:36:35.440 --> 0:36:37.200
<v Speaker 3>still parents who go out there and do you know,

0:36:37.280 --> 0:36:38.759
<v Speaker 3>I'm not saying they don't take care of their kids,

0:36:38.760 --> 0:36:41.400
<v Speaker 3>but they'll make arrangements. They'll still go out and party,

0:36:41.560 --> 0:36:42.840
<v Speaker 3>and they're not bad parents.

0:36:42.920 --> 0:36:43.840
<v Speaker 5>They're amazing parents.

0:36:43.840 --> 0:36:47.120
<v Speaker 3>Still, They just every so often, you know, have their

0:36:47.160 --> 0:36:49.239
<v Speaker 3>own special adult time, which is how And I'm not

0:36:49.239 --> 0:36:51.560
<v Speaker 3>going to judge anyone in the way that they choose.

0:36:51.360 --> 0:36:52.080
<v Speaker 5>To live their life.

0:36:52.560 --> 0:36:56.920
<v Speaker 3>But I guess for me, I personally don't see the

0:36:57.080 --> 0:36:59.319
<v Speaker 3>value in the risk. You know, I think about what

0:36:59.320 --> 0:37:02.040
<v Speaker 3>happened to Nadia tell I think about what happened to Cassidy.

0:37:02.560 --> 0:37:03.600
<v Speaker 5>I don't ever want to.

0:37:03.520 --> 0:37:05.680
<v Speaker 3>Be in a situation or have my partner be in

0:37:05.719 --> 0:37:09.600
<v Speaker 3>a situation where our life could be affected by one

0:37:09.719 --> 0:37:12.600
<v Speaker 3>very silly decision or one night out. And I guess

0:37:12.680 --> 0:37:16.600
<v Speaker 3>as a parent, my propensity to worry has changed, my

0:37:16.719 --> 0:37:20.799
<v Speaker 3>propensity for caution has changed. I do understand why you

0:37:20.840 --> 0:37:23.000
<v Speaker 3>ask the question, isn't this something that you just weed

0:37:23.040 --> 0:37:25.440
<v Speaker 3>out when you have kids? So I guess I very

0:37:25.520 --> 0:37:27.120
<v Speaker 3>much understand where the wife is coming from.

0:37:27.160 --> 0:37:30.279
<v Speaker 1>With that thought, I think, and this is where I

0:37:30.280 --> 0:37:32.000
<v Speaker 1>feel a little bit different, and that's why I felt

0:37:32.440 --> 0:37:35.520
<v Speaker 1>it was important to establish kind of these other things

0:37:35.560 --> 0:37:36.879
<v Speaker 1>about the type of use.

0:37:36.960 --> 0:37:40.719
<v Speaker 4>And in my mind, I see this as.

0:37:40.400 --> 0:37:44.000
<v Speaker 1>An expectation in a change of behavior, and I view

0:37:44.040 --> 0:37:47.359
<v Speaker 1>it very similarly to alcohol, you know, because they are

0:37:47.360 --> 0:37:47.880
<v Speaker 1>both drugs.

0:37:47.920 --> 0:37:49.920
<v Speaker 2>It's just that one's illegal and one's not illegal.

0:37:49.920 --> 0:37:52.600
<v Speaker 1>And I guess that that may be why you find

0:37:52.719 --> 0:37:56.200
<v Speaker 1>the distinction between not wanting to take the risk because

0:37:56.200 --> 0:37:58.879
<v Speaker 1>there is the risk of it being criminalized.

0:37:59.000 --> 0:38:01.319
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and alcohol it's in many cases worse, Like you

0:38:01.360 --> 0:38:03.239
<v Speaker 3>can go out and get absolutely blind drunk, and that

0:38:03.280 --> 0:38:05.239
<v Speaker 3>can ruin your relationship in the same way that you

0:38:05.280 --> 0:38:07.319
<v Speaker 3>could go out and do cocaine. I'm not saying that

0:38:07.760 --> 0:38:10.320
<v Speaker 3>just because one has more or less of an effect

0:38:10.360 --> 0:38:14.200
<v Speaker 3>on your physiologically. I'm talking about the very real implications

0:38:14.200 --> 0:38:16.319
<v Speaker 3>that if you're in a nightclub with cocaine versu in

0:38:16.320 --> 0:38:18.880
<v Speaker 3>a nightclub with a glass of wine, the outcome if

0:38:18.920 --> 0:38:20.560
<v Speaker 3>you get caught are very very different.

0:38:21.040 --> 0:38:24.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if it's something that the two of you agree

0:38:24.440 --> 0:38:27.440
<v Speaker 1>to in your relationship, because you're planning a family and

0:38:27.480 --> 0:38:30.680
<v Speaker 1>that's what you want for your future. That's absolutely fine,

0:38:30.680 --> 0:38:33.799
<v Speaker 1>and that's anyone's prerogative personally. What I find a bit

0:38:33.840 --> 0:38:36.080
<v Speaker 1>of a problem, and I've seen this happen to so

0:38:36.200 --> 0:38:38.799
<v Speaker 1>many of my friends, is that people will turn up

0:38:38.840 --> 0:38:41.359
<v Speaker 1>into relationships with a set of the way that they

0:38:41.400 --> 0:38:45.200
<v Speaker 1>conduct life, you know, And in this particular circumstance, to me,

0:38:45.640 --> 0:38:48.200
<v Speaker 1>it's not a trouble, Like, he's really honest about it.

0:38:48.280 --> 0:38:50.480
<v Speaker 1>He has all the markers of like, you know, he's

0:38:50.520 --> 0:38:52.120
<v Speaker 1>not lying to you about it, he's not doing bad

0:38:52.239 --> 0:38:55.520
<v Speaker 1>things when he goes out with his friends on special occasions.

0:38:55.719 --> 0:38:57.600
<v Speaker 5>He has a handle on it, is what you're saying.

0:38:57.440 --> 0:38:58.600
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it sounds like it.

0:38:58.640 --> 0:38:58.799
<v Speaker 2>You know.

0:38:58.840 --> 0:39:01.000
<v Speaker 6>I obviously don't have all of the information. But what

0:39:01.080 --> 0:39:01.759
<v Speaker 6>I don't like.

0:39:01.800 --> 0:39:05.120
<v Speaker 1>Is when I kind of see this change in what

0:39:05.320 --> 0:39:08.360
<v Speaker 1>you deem to be a boundary, and then because of

0:39:08.400 --> 0:39:11.320
<v Speaker 1>the way that you have changed a boundary, you expect

0:39:11.320 --> 0:39:15.279
<v Speaker 1>your partner to follow the same, and in this circumstance,

0:39:15.440 --> 0:39:17.360
<v Speaker 1>asking like, is it something that you weed out of

0:39:17.400 --> 0:39:19.759
<v Speaker 1>your life? I just want to ask you, like, why

0:39:19.800 --> 0:39:21.640
<v Speaker 1>do you feel that way? Do you feel that way

0:39:21.680 --> 0:39:24.719
<v Speaker 1>because you want him to be more responsible when you

0:39:24.719 --> 0:39:26.600
<v Speaker 1>have a family, because that's fine, but it's also a

0:39:26.640 --> 0:39:27.960
<v Speaker 1>conversation between the two of you.

0:39:28.680 --> 0:39:30.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't feel the same as that, And maybe

0:39:30.680 --> 0:39:31.800
<v Speaker 3>this is going to be a question.

0:39:31.640 --> 0:39:34.040
<v Speaker 4>Where we don't agree on completely.

0:39:34.680 --> 0:39:37.920
<v Speaker 3>And I think that that's because your expectations in relationships

0:39:37.920 --> 0:39:40.759
<v Speaker 3>are allowed to change. What you and your partner were

0:39:40.800 --> 0:39:42.640
<v Speaker 3>okay with, and what you were okay with in your

0:39:42.640 --> 0:39:46.680
<v Speaker 3>partner's behavior five years ago, verse what you're okay with

0:39:46.800 --> 0:39:50.040
<v Speaker 3>when you have children and other people to be responsible for,

0:39:50.640 --> 0:39:53.120
<v Speaker 3>it's allowed to change. And I don't think that that

0:39:53.280 --> 0:39:55.239
<v Speaker 3>is you trying to stop your partner from having a

0:39:55.239 --> 0:39:57.160
<v Speaker 3>good time. She's not saying you can't go out. She's

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<v Speaker 3>not saying you can't enjoy yourself with your friends. She's

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<v Speaker 3>saying this thing which causes me stress or worry, or

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<v Speaker 3>it puts things in jeopardy for me, or scenes an

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<v Speaker 3>unnecessary risk to take when we had the responsibility of

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<v Speaker 3>two little humans or one little human. I'm speaking for myself,

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<v Speaker 3>two little humans. The juice is not worth a squeeze.

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<v Speaker 3>And I just go back to that conversation of like,

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<v Speaker 3>if I'm in a relationship with someone and they're prioritizing

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<v Speaker 3>that over our mutual stability. My question would be, why

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<v Speaker 3>what is it about that infrequency that's still so important

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<v Speaker 3>to hear my guess if we.

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<v Speaker 1>Reverse this situation, I was the one going out doing

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<v Speaker 1>special occasion things, and I didn't think that it was

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<v Speaker 1>much of a problem in my relationship because you've actually

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<v Speaker 1>said it's not a deal breaker if I wasn't causing

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<v Speaker 1>any problems, like if I was still being responsible, if

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<v Speaker 1>I was still turning up to look after the kid

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<v Speaker 1>when I said I was going to, if it was

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<v Speaker 1>just a one off kind of thing that happened twice

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<v Speaker 1>a year, I would question, like, why are you expecting

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<v Speaker 1>me to change this because I haven't done anything wrong? Ye.

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<v Speaker 3>But I would also question that you can't like, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't think that people can go out and have a

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<v Speaker 3>massive night on cocaine and they don't feel the effects

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<v Speaker 3>for several days, Like you're down. You have to then

0:41:05.520 --> 0:41:08.040
<v Speaker 3>deal with someone who's going through like the anxiety of it.

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<v Speaker 3>You're not able to show up and be a great

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<v Speaker 3>parent the next day. I don't think that it's just like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>it's one night out and then there's no flow on effect.

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<v Speaker 5>It doesn't affect anything.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that that's like several days that you're taking

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<v Speaker 3>out of the responsibility of being clocked in and quality parenting.

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<v Speaker 2>But I would say the same for drinking. Yeah, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 4>So if it was like he goes out twice.

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<v Speaker 1>A year, has a bit of a hangover for a while, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm asking is like, would you have a problem

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<v Speaker 1>with that or is it specifically because of the illegal

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<v Speaker 1>nature of it that the risk is it?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I agree with that point.

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<v Speaker 3>Look, I think for me and the way I feel

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<v Speaker 3>about it now has vastly changed to the way I

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<v Speaker 3>felt about it in my twenties. The people who do it,

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<v Speaker 3>it's still shrouded in secrecy. It's still looked on so negatively.

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<v Speaker 3>And I don't care if other people do it, And

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<v Speaker 3>this is not my judgment on them. I just don't

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<v Speaker 3>want it for myself and I don't want it in

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<v Speaker 3>my relationship. And I think it is a little bit

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<v Speaker 3>different when there is the possibility that your entire career

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<v Speaker 3>could go out the window. If so, for me, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 3>I will not take the risk. I think that this

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<v Speaker 3>is a conversation that loads of people face in their relationships,

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<v Speaker 3>and it doesn't have to just come down to cocaine.

0:42:12.520 --> 0:42:15.000
<v Speaker 3>It could come down to having like a massive blowout party.

0:42:15.400 --> 0:42:17.560
<v Speaker 3>It could come down to like the frequency of your

0:42:17.600 --> 0:42:21.600
<v Speaker 3>partner drinking their behavior. I think that if something is

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<v Speaker 3>an issue for you in a relationship, there has to

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<v Speaker 3>be a conversation around it, and there has to be

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<v Speaker 3>some sort of middle ground and a listening to and

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<v Speaker 3>evalidating of the concerns of the other person and I

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<v Speaker 3>think getting to the bottom of it, and maybe for

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<v Speaker 3>the person who's written this question in ask yourself, is

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<v Speaker 3>it because you have an issue with the drugs itself?

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<v Speaker 3>Is it because of his behavior as you mentioned Keisha?

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<v Speaker 3>Is it because of the you know, the things that

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<v Speaker 3>could happen, Like, what is the thing about it that

0:42:50.320 --> 0:42:53.160
<v Speaker 3>makes you feel so uncertain? It makes you hate the

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<v Speaker 3>idea of him doing it once you have kids and

0:42:55.120 --> 0:42:57.399
<v Speaker 3>you have this family unit. And then I guess also

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<v Speaker 3>understanding from his perspective, why does he feel the need?

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<v Speaker 3>What is it about that that he feels like he's

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<v Speaker 3>going to be missing out on if he does. But

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<v Speaker 3>I do think it is a testament to your relationship

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<v Speaker 3>that even though he knows you don't like it, he's

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<v Speaker 3>still very honest with you. Because it would be easier

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<v Speaker 3>to lie. It would be easier for him to go

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<v Speaker 3>out for a night out and lie about doing it

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<v Speaker 3>and then never have to face up to the uncomfortable

0:43:19.760 --> 0:43:22.360
<v Speaker 3>conversations around how it makes you feel.

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<v Speaker 1>I also think it's important to kind of check in

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<v Speaker 1>on this whole, like does this cause a problem in

0:43:27.440 --> 0:43:30.960
<v Speaker 1>our relationship or is it just that you expected when

0:43:31.000 --> 0:43:32.759
<v Speaker 1>you got to a different stage of life that it

0:43:32.800 --> 0:43:36.520
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't exist, because maybe you know, you just had this

0:43:36.640 --> 0:43:38.480
<v Speaker 1>idea in your head of like, oh, well, once you

0:43:38.840 --> 0:43:42.280
<v Speaker 1>have children, you stop doing that stuff, and the reality

0:43:42.400 --> 0:43:43.160
<v Speaker 1>is that's not true.

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<v Speaker 4>For a lot of people, you do have the choice

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<v Speaker 4>of whether that stops.

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<v Speaker 1>But for me, I just think that it's not fair

0:43:49.480 --> 0:43:52.680
<v Speaker 1>to put that change of what you expect in your

0:43:52.719 --> 0:43:56.920
<v Speaker 1>relationship onto the other person unless there is something that

0:43:56.920 --> 0:43:58.319
<v Speaker 1>they're doing that is wrong.

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<v Speaker 6>Or they also want to make that change.

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<v Speaker 1>All I'm saying is like, for me, I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>more of a you have to mutually agree upon this

0:44:06.239 --> 0:44:09.200
<v Speaker 1>unless they're experiencing something that is problematic.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think that that's such an important point because

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<v Speaker 3>I think so many people go into relationships thinking that

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<v Speaker 3>once they're married or once they have babies, that's something

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<v Speaker 3>will change, that that will be the catalyst that will

0:44:20.360 --> 0:44:23.399
<v Speaker 3>change the behavior of their partner. And the reality is

0:44:23.400 --> 0:44:27.360
<v Speaker 3>is that those things don't change necessarily someone's behavior, And

0:44:27.360 --> 0:44:30.719
<v Speaker 3>it's all the conversations that precede it that ensure that

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<v Speaker 3>you're on the same page. What is our life going

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<v Speaker 3>to look like when we're married, What is our life

0:44:34.920 --> 0:44:36.720
<v Speaker 3>going to look like if we choose to have children,

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<v Speaker 3>How do we want to parent our children? Where are

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<v Speaker 3>our limitations, our boundaries. It's okay for what you want

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<v Speaker 3>in your relationship to change, but I don't think that

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<v Speaker 3>the expectation can be that just because you have children,

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<v Speaker 3>someone will have those same expectations that you do. And

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<v Speaker 3>that's an important conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>And maybe there's an element of him wanting to hold

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<v Speaker 1>on to his life before he was a dad, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I think we do. But you can do that without

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<v Speaker 1>But I might say, like going out with his mates,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, every now and then and kind of having

0:45:04.520 --> 0:45:07.160
<v Speaker 1>that fun party experience every now and then. Because we

0:45:07.200 --> 0:45:10.080
<v Speaker 1>talk so much about the shifting identity, you know, when

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<v Speaker 1>you become a parent, and I think a lot of

0:45:12.880 --> 0:45:15.000
<v Speaker 1>that is grieving the fact that you don't have the

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<v Speaker 1>things that you used to do before you've had kids,

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<v Speaker 1>and so maybe this is his way of just holding

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<v Speaker 1>on to.

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<v Speaker 4>That little bit of who he was before you.

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<v Speaker 6>Did have more responsibilities of children laying around.

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<v Speaker 3>I know that this will be a polarizing conversation. I

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<v Speaker 3>want to go back to that thing that I said

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<v Speaker 3>at the very start. It depends on what camp you

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<v Speaker 3>sit in. If you were in a social group where

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<v Speaker 3>it's common, you almost can normalize it to yourself. And

0:45:37.200 --> 0:45:39.080
<v Speaker 3>if you're in a social group where it's not common,

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<v Speaker 3>then you will very much be like, how is this

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<v Speaker 3>even a consideration?

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<v Speaker 5>Because it is fucking illegal.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, And that is the black and white nature of it.

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<v Speaker 3>It's that on one side it's black and white, and

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<v Speaker 3>if you sit on the other line, it is so gray.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think we would be kidding ourselves if we

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<v Speaker 3>sat here and put our head in the sand and

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<v Speaker 3>only had this conversation from the side of it being illegal,

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<v Speaker 3>because the reality is that a lot of couples have

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<v Speaker 3>to deal with this conversation and how do you navigate

0:46:02.400 --> 0:46:05.880
<v Speaker 3>something when so many people think it's normal slash common,

0:46:06.239 --> 0:46:08.680
<v Speaker 3>which is exactly how this woman has described it.

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