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Speaker 1: Chaotic scenes in America this morning, Donald Trump surrendering himself

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Speaker 1: to authorities in New York after the indictment by the

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Speaker 1: Grand jury and even by the usual Trump pantics. This

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Speaker 1: is surreal. I've got Tim Lester on the phone Channel

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Speaker 1: seven News, US correspondent. In fact, morning, Tim, I believe

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Speaker 1: that Donald Trump himself said on his own social networks

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Speaker 1: that the whole thing is surreal. And it is, isn't.

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Speaker 2: It completely at a couple of levels. One, we've never

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Speaker 2: seen a US president did the former US president didn't

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Speaker 2: people a legal under legal threat like this and now

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Speaker 2: criminally charged. So it's fascinating at that level. It's perhaps

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Speaker 2: even more important because he's not just a former president.

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Speaker 2: He's a candidate for the next presidency in an important one,

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Speaker 2: the leading Republican candidate at the moment for the election

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Speaker 2: November next year. This plays directly into that so raises

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Speaker 2: questions in many people's mind as to whether it's politically

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Speaker 2: motivated or driven by politics. And that's kind to go

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Speaker 2: on being an absolutely critical debate in this country.

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Speaker 1: Of course, and that political motivation, of course raises his

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Speaker 1: head when you look at the timing of the potential trial,

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Speaker 1: which is right before the Republican primaries as well.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so, well, certainly another way it's going to play in.

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Speaker 2: There's another hole, of course, way of interpreting what's going

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Speaker 2: on here, and that is the way many New Yorkers do,

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Speaker 2: New York being far more a Democrat city, and it's

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Speaker 2: seemed more widely here as now. Well, look, the great

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Speaker 2: thing about America is everyone is subject to the law.

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Speaker 2: This is the case that proves it. For fifty years

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Speaker 2: people have questioned Donald Trump's the cavalier approach to the law.

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Speaker 2: They now say it's caught up with him, and that

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Speaker 2: this will prove America can bring to justice even wealthy

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Speaker 2: white men.

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Speaker 1: Of course, although there's a very intricate web of payments

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Speaker 1: thirty four counts of business fraud. The details about this though,

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Speaker 1: are very specific, are they?

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Speaker 2: They are? And I think there's a collective sense of

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Speaker 2: surprise here as to the detail in the case that

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Speaker 2: the District Attorney here, the leading prosecution official in the

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Speaker 2: American system, is bringing. In the New York case, the

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Speaker 2: New York DA rattling off thirty four cases not for

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Speaker 2: payment of hush money, per se. If you want to

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Speaker 2: pay a person money to keep them quiet. In America,

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Speaker 2: that's perfectly legal, But then how do you represent the

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Speaker 2: money in terms of your documentation and your tax That

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Speaker 2: becomes a lot more problematic. And essentially the district attorney

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Speaker 2: is accusing Trump while he was president, mind you, or

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Speaker 2: during his presidential campaign and while he was president, of

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Speaker 2: setting up a scheme to hide hush money payments so

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Speaker 2: that they couldn't be seen by the public. So it

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Speaker 2: was the fraudulent use's they seed of documents or the

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Speaker 2: using documents to perceive authorities as to what was happening

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Speaker 2: with the money. Of course, just now bringing the grease.

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Speaker 1: And therein lies the rub. These are very serious charges

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Speaker 1: and could carry some jail time as well. Trump decidedly

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Speaker 1: understated at this particular appearance, although I'm not to believe

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Speaker 1: there's going to be a press conferences he's subject though

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Speaker 1: to a gang order? Is he going to be subject

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Speaker 1: to what he says?

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Speaker 2: He Well, he's been warned by the presiding judge about

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Speaker 2: his comments and effectively raining them in. I don't think

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Speaker 2: there's a total gag order on him. I mean, good

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Speaker 2: luck with Donald Trump if you want to try that.

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Speaker 2: But he's he's certainly been given a warning, so it'll

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Speaker 2: be very interesting to see how circumspect he is, if

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Speaker 2: he is at all. He's already posted in the wake

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Speaker 2: of the court case on his Truth social website attacking

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Speaker 2: the case, so he hasn't been silenced totally at all,

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Speaker 2: and we do believe he'll at least give remarks, if

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Speaker 2: not take questions in mary Lago in roughly an hour

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Speaker 2: and a half or so, so that will be that

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Speaker 2: will be very interesting to get engage on how he

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Speaker 2: intends to play it, and a.

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Speaker 1: Lot of stories and a lot of questions with the

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Speaker 1: stories that come as well, including where's Millania. A lot

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Speaker 1: of people thought that she may turn up in the

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Speaker 1: case of Tammy Winnette stand by her man, but no

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Speaker 1: sign of Millennia. Maybe she and the rest of the

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Speaker 1: family will appear in mar Lago later.

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Speaker 2: This is terribly difficult setting for Millennia in publicly given

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Speaker 2: given the claims behind the hush money, that is that

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump slept with Stormy Daniels in two thousand and six,

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Speaker 2: also with a penthouse pet of the Year back in

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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety eight. I think I'm not sure if that

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Speaker 2: predated this relationship with Milania, but the claims from Stormy Daniels.

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Speaker 2: Certainly Donald Trump denies them, by the way, but it's

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Speaker 2: obviously a difficult family time, and only his son Eric

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Speaker 2: has made the journey with him from New York for

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Speaker 2: this trip.

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Speaker 1: Tim, good to talk to you. Will be watching Channel

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Speaker 1: seven News for the developments of which I'm sure there's

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Speaker 1: going to be a few over the next few hours

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Speaker 1: as well. I appreciate your time.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, No problem.

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Speaker 1: There you go, Tim Lester. There. Tim is the Channel

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Speaker 1: seven News US correspondent. More details on Channel seven and

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Speaker 1: we'll keep you updated today from the WSFM newsroom as well.