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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. You're dose of the hottest

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Speaker 1: influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm Sophie

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Speaker 1: Torbert and I'm joined by my sisters and journalist Kate

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Speaker 1: and Amy. On today's show, the Disturbing Dubai porta potty trend,

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Speaker 1: Olivia Rodgers's contentious red dress. Jade Tunci launches a unisex

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Speaker 1: clothing line. But first, former Bachelor Maddie J has landed

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Speaker 1: himself a role on iconic kids show play School, and

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Speaker 1: I can already hear mums around the country rejoicing because

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Speaker 1: finally there's a bit of eye candy on Playschool, I know,

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Speaker 1: and I feel like the mums need that. If you're

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Speaker 1: sitting through Playschool, you're gonna need somebody like Mattie J

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Speaker 1: to look at. It was really nostalgic because he shared

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Speaker 1: a photo of himself with Jemimah. It was sort of

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Speaker 1: behind the scenes photo on the Playschool set, and he wrote,

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Speaker 1: today's gig might be the best one I've ever gotten.

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Speaker 1: Finished product coming soon hashtag bucket list. And I think

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Speaker 1: this is a stroke of genius by the ABC to

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Speaker 1: get him on board.

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Speaker 2: Is it just me?

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Speaker 1: Or is it weird to think that Jemima is still

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Speaker 1: on Playschool because I think, you know, back thirty years

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Speaker 1: ago when we were watching play School, she was a thing.

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Speaker 1: It just cracks me up because I always see kids

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Speaker 1: with their iPads, so I thought that the toys might

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Speaker 1: have evolved.

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Speaker 2: No, they're all the same toys. It's so cute. They've

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Speaker 2: got big ted, little ted Jemima.

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Speaker 1: Do you guys remember the windows as well? They were

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Speaker 1: I gonic And also the wheel, Like sometimes it was

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Speaker 1: og Playschool with Benita and John and they have this

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Speaker 1: wheel and they would spin the wheel and then they'd

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Speaker 1: get either craft supplies or something fun out of it

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Speaker 1: that would be part of an activity or story for

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Speaker 1: that show. I just had one bizarre memory of play

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Speaker 1: School and it was with George, Jim and George. He

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Speaker 1: was bald, and it was when Monica painted his body,

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Speaker 1: so he took his shirt off and he painted it

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Speaker 1: all in red, and I remember just thinking it was

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Speaker 1: so odd seeing him topless on play School. I bet

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Speaker 1: their mums won't be minding if Maddie Jay gets his

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Speaker 1: top off to do that. I was chatting to Brandon's

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Speaker 1: dad last night about play School and he was saying

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Speaker 1: that there's actually a lot of adult humor that obviously

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Speaker 1: as kids, you don't pick up on at the time.

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Speaker 1: This has got me thinking about all those amazing kid

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Speaker 1: shows on the ABC that I would love to watch now.

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Speaker 1: Do you guys remember Genie from down Under? It was

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Speaker 1: where that girl found an opal and she got a

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Speaker 1: Genie and she used to go back and forth from

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Speaker 1: Australia to England. That was the best show. It was

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Speaker 1: literally iconic. I would love to watch it again.

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Speaker 2: And I reckon that the ABC.

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Speaker 1: Must have had some sort of partnership with the UK

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Speaker 1: or they must have played the shows in the UK,

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Speaker 1: because there was also another show called Minty, whereas this

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Speaker 1: UK schoolgirl who looked exactly the same as an Australian

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Speaker 1: soapstar and they swap lives as well.

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Speaker 2: It was a bit like parent Trap with Lindsay Lohan.

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Speaker 1: And what's really weird is I have seen a clip

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Speaker 1: of Genie Genie from down Under and I swear the

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Speaker 1: girl she's meant to be English in it, but her

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Speaker 1: accent sounds so fake, a bit like when Lindsay Lohan

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Speaker 1: was playing an English school girl. I would love to

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Speaker 1: hear what everyone else was watching as a kid. Let's

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Speaker 1: start a thread in our Facebook group sharing the best

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Speaker 1: ABC Kids shows.

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Speaker 2: That's me the betrothed.

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Speaker 3: Sorry, I'm actually spoken for.

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Speaker 1: Sorry. Controversial influencer Jade Tunci has announced she's launching a

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Speaker 1: unisex clothing line with their fiance Lockie called Tunci Now.

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Speaker 1: Ja Day made the announcement on Instagram last Wednesday by

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Speaker 1: sharing a real modeling some of the pieces in the

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Speaker 1: new line, and some of the pieces were quite unique.

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Speaker 1: One of them was a pair of oversized beige pants

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Speaker 1: and a black tank top which featured a white line

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Speaker 1: down the middle which kind of looked like a zip.

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Speaker 1: And then I had two long strands of material hanging

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Speaker 1: from the top and it was of course successorized with

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Speaker 1: a Gucci bag and shoes. What did you guys think

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Speaker 1: of the first couple of pieces? Look, it's not something

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Speaker 1: I'm personally going to rush out and buy. However, I

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Speaker 1: don't really think it's marketed towards my age group. I

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Speaker 1: feel like it's for the gen Zettors. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: we're definitely too old for this collection. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: did like the look of how baggy the pants were.

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Speaker 1: They looked very comfortable, but I did see someone in

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Speaker 1: our Facebook group make a remark that they kind of

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Speaker 1: looked like a fashion dropouts designs, so I tended to

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Speaker 1: agree it's not my sort of thing. Has anyone noticed though,

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Speaker 1: that the current fashion is just looking like a bum?

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Speaker 1: Like I went to the shop the other day and

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Speaker 1: I just thought everyone is in oversized jumpers, including myself,

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Speaker 1: and just the slouchiest jeans, and I feel like older

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Speaker 1: people must be thinking what the hell is everybody wearing.

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Speaker 1: I know the term flattering is a bit divisive at

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Speaker 1: the moment, Yeah, but a lot of the clothes are

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Speaker 1: unflattering and they just don't give people much shape, which

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Speaker 1: I find And I think a lot of teenagers are

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Speaker 1: going to look back on photos of themselves in brackets

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Speaker 1: in their prime and be like, why did I waste this?

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Speaker 2: But don't we.

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Speaker 1: All look back at the fashion that we were wearing

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Speaker 1: when we were quote in our prime, which I think

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Speaker 1: is again a divisive message, and think, oh, what were

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Speaker 1: we doing? Like there was that whole thing that celeb

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Speaker 1: Spellcheck shared about all the clothes that were in fashion

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Speaker 1: when we were in our twenties, and we're like, oh

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Speaker 1: my god, do you remember that? Now? Back to the

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Speaker 1: real that Jade shared in the caption, she simply shared

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Speaker 1: the name of the clothing line's new Instagram account. She did, however,

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Speaker 1: mention in the comment section that it had been a

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Speaker 1: long time coming and of course the Blue Tick Brigade

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Speaker 1: were out in force to congratulate jar Day. So Sofa

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Speaker 1: Dofah commented underneath, saying Slay Bella from The Bachelor wrote,

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited. Martha Califatitis wrote give me and then

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Speaker 1: did clapping hands, and her agent Max Connectors wrote, ah exciting. Now.

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Speaker 1: There were some notable abs andees, so Steph Clear Smith

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Speaker 1: and Sammy Robinson, who are quite good friends with jar Day,

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Speaker 1: did not like the post and did not comment, which

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Speaker 1: I thought was quite interesting. I'm wondering if Sammy didn't

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Speaker 1: comment because she, of course has her own clothing line,

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Speaker 1: I don't think so, because I think a lot of

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Speaker 1: the influences are quite supportive of one another's businesses.

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Speaker 2: I think it more.

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Speaker 1: Has to do with the backlash that jar Day faced

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Speaker 1: and also the fact that she was called out later

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Speaker 1: Insta stories with jar Day out at a fashion week thing. Well,

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Speaker 1: they were both at the Max Connector's event on the

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Speaker 1: weekend together, and so the fact that they have got

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Speaker 1: the same manager, I think they would have to publicly

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Speaker 1: support each other, so I think it could more. I

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Speaker 1: kind of tend to agree with Amy. I think it

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Speaker 1: may have something to do with Sammy having a competing brand. Well,

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Speaker 1: when you take a look at the Clothing Lines Instagram account,

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Speaker 1: there's no official launch date. It just says coming soon.

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Speaker 1: And I was quite surprised because the Instagram account only

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Speaker 1: has three thousand, seven hundred followers, and on TikTok they've

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Speaker 1: jar Day's sharing it to her huge amount of followers.

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Speaker 1: Well that's the thing. Jar Day is known as being

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Speaker 1: a fashion influencer, so you'd think that there'd definitely be

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Speaker 1: a demand for the product that she's putting out there.

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Speaker 1: It actually makes me wonder how many people follow jar

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Speaker 1: Day because they genuinely like her, they are a lot

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Speaker 1: of hate following going on. Well for quite some time,

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Speaker 1: people have been commenting that she doesn't actually receive that

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Speaker 1: which is quite odd for an influencer of her size.

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Speaker 1: I did have a laugh when I saw the jar

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Speaker 1: Da decided to call her label Tunci, after her surname,

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Speaker 1: because it's been a bit of a trend recently. We

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Speaker 1: saw Tarlia Skanes call her label Scans, and it's kind

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Speaker 1: of his attitude that they're so well known that people

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Speaker 1: I mean, we saw it also with Madison Wooley calling

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Speaker 1: her brand twenty third of Madison. Now, I actually think

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Speaker 1: if I was an influencer, I'd go with something a

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Speaker 1: because I feel like, okay, maybe they launch it based

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Speaker 1: on the back of their personal branding, but after a while,

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Speaker 1: I would feel you'd want to distance yourself from the

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Speaker 1: naming it your last name, that's really never going to happen.

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Speaker 1: It's been like one mile with Sammy. That brand can

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Speaker 1: probably live on past it just being Sammy Robinson's brand. Well,

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Speaker 1: I actually like the fact that she called it, ton't

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Speaker 1: she because she is getting married soon and she hasn't

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Speaker 1: announced yet whether she will choose to take on Locke's

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Speaker 1: think it's quite nice when women make a brand out

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Speaker 3: I've had a lot of judgmental comments like this about

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Speaker 3: the dress that I wore to the wedding the other night,

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Speaker 3: So I just want to clarify a couple of things

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Speaker 3: and also address this.

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Speaker 1: Former Miss Universe Australia, Olivia Rogers, has sparked debate after

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Speaker 1: wearing a silky red gown to her friend's wedding. Critics

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Speaker 1: flooded the comment section of Olivia's TikTok, saying red was

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Speaker 1: an inappropriate choice and even more taboo than wearing white, Sophie,

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Speaker 1: can you tell us more about what went down?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 1: I discovered Olivia Rogers TikTok on Friday night, and I

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Speaker 1: just got into this massive loop. The videos were so addictive.

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Speaker 1: So she's got heaps of videos showing how she styles, clothes,

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Speaker 1: her makeup. It's wonderful to watch. I highly recommend going

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Speaker 1: over there and having a look. And in one of

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Speaker 1: the videos, Via was wearing a stunning bright red Christopher

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Speaker 1: Esber silk dress. And I did a bit of a

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Speaker 1: google and this dress retails for eight hundred and ninety

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Speaker 1: dollars and is described as a front tire shirt dress.

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Speaker 1: So it has long sleeves with very subtle cutouts and

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Speaker 1: a low v neck which all tie together at the front.

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Speaker 1: And it's also a maxi dress, so it falls right

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Speaker 1: to the floor. Now, Olivia looked incredible in this dress.

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Speaker 1: So in the video, Olivia explained that she was going

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Speaker 1: she asked her followers what shoes or bags she should

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Speaker 1: pair with the dress. Now, this video quickly attracted four

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Speaker 1: hundred and thirty thousand views, with many women in the

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Speaker 1: comments section shocked that Olivia had chosen to wear red.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know that this was a taboo thing. I

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Speaker 1: always thought it was white, maybe black, but then black

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Speaker 1: started making a comeback in terms of bridesmaid's dresses, so

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Speaker 1: why can't you wear red? Well, a lot of the

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Speaker 1: women claim that if you wear red, it means that

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Speaker 1: heard that before. People wore red to my wedding and

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Speaker 1: The thing is social media has really put weddings on

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Speaker 1: Do you know what? Though, I never knew about this

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Speaker 3: For a dog of her age and species. Father Jamien,

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Speaker 1: Your tea is ready. Tell him I'm not going I'm

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Speaker 1: Well, the hashtag began trending when a very graphic video

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Speaker 1: The most is that people in Dubai are not keeping

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Speaker 1: He then told people to grow up and actually analyze

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Speaker 1: or do the browsing on Instagram themselves. It's sort of

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Speaker 1: it's like they're acting as if it's some kind of

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Speaker 1: catalog and they're usually looking for Western women and once

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Speaker 1: they find someone they like the look of they'll DM

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Speaker 1: the women with an offer. And it's been reported women

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Speaker 1: are invited to d buy for a thirty thousand dollar

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Speaker 1: all expenses holiday to post to all of their followers.

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Speaker 1: Can you imagine if you got this DM pop up

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Speaker 1: in your Instagram account, you would think it was fake

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Speaker 1: for sure, because you know, like those ones where they're

445
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Speaker 1: apparently from Sugar Daddies and it's like, hey, like, I

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Speaker 1: don't know, I would think this was a fake message. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but the thing is these days everything has to be

448
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Speaker 1: done online, because I read that there were instances where

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Speaker 1: Instagram models would go over there and then get paid,

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Speaker 1: so they'd make two hundred thousand dollars in cash, and

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Speaker 1: then when they tried to go back through customs, they

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Speaker 1: would be flagged and they couldn't actually explain where the

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Speaker 1: money came from, so they got it taken away. So now,

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Speaker 1: so I suppose anonymity is a big thing that they

455
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Speaker 1: do all of the deals online, and they usually involve cryptocurrencies,

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Speaker 1: so you feel like alarm bells would be going though

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Speaker 1: if you were invited to an all expenses trip and

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Speaker 1: they're like, oh, we've just got to pay you in

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Speaker 1: crypto though. Yeah, Well, there is of course a catch

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Speaker 1: that we've all touched upon, and this is of course,

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Speaker 1: that the women must engage in sexual favors in exchange

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Speaker 1: for the trip, and also the other items that come

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Speaker 1: along the way, like the designer goods and the cash.

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Speaker 1: And an anonymous source told Cosmopolitan UK that some wealthy

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Speaker 1: men demand degrading sexual and niche practices in exchange for

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Speaker 1: money and a five star experience, and these men are

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Speaker 1: said to often be wealthy shakes. Now, higher rates are

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Speaker 1: said to be offered for more unusual preferences, and these

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Speaker 1: preferences are usually discussed via video before the trip. And

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Speaker 1: now this is done to show proof apparently of consent,

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Speaker 1: so women are also asked to sign a non disclosure agreement. Again,

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Speaker 1: I think alarm bells would be ringing. Could you imagine

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Speaker 1: the YouTube vide about the trip, you know, it's like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I've never told you guys.

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Speaker 2: This can imagine the YouTube telements like a tell all. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But I also wonder if they do this one on

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Speaker 1: one phone call just because they've probably paid to have

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Speaker 1: so many girls fly over there, and then when what

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Speaker 1: they want is explained, a lot of the women probably

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Speaker 1: say no, so they probably don't want to waste their

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Speaker 1: time flying girls over And imagine, well, I think they'd

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Speaker 1: been an element of blackmail because you're going to remember

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Speaker 1: we're talking about the wealthiest and wealthiest. These are people

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Speaker 1: are billionaires. Some are apparently allegedly a part of the

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Speaker 1: Saudi royal family, So there is a lot of wealth

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Speaker 1: and also power going on. Now. Once these women arrive

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Speaker 1: at the destination, they're allowed to post photos of themselves

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Speaker 1: on the private jets and show off the lavish lifestyle

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Speaker 1: in between having to engage in sex, which often entails

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Speaker 1: really humiliating acts. So, as discussed earlier, one of the

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Speaker 1: practices is believed to involve being defecated on, but also, disturbingly,

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Speaker 1: beast reality is involved. Apparently there's cases with camels and dogs.

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Speaker 1: There's been reported that there's cases of these women being

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Speaker 1: forced to sleep with teenage boys to give them their manhood.

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Speaker 1: And there's even this tale that seems to be floating

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Speaker 1: around on TikTok of a man wanting a woman to

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Speaker 1: insert a salmon into his ass. What now, this is

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Speaker 1: all really disturbing, and there's even tales of women dying

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Speaker 1: of drug over doses on super yachts. Look, I'm not

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Speaker 1: here to kink shame anybody, but it seems to me

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Speaker 1: that a lot of these practices, the aim of them

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Speaker 1: is to humiliate and degrade the woman, and I find

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Speaker 1: it really really disgusting. The difference between this and only fans, though,

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Speaker 1: is that only fans creators.

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Speaker 2: The power is in.

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Speaker 1: Their hand of what they choose to do, and they

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Speaker 1: are in control of the situation, whereas I feel a

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Speaker 1: little bit uncomfortable with these sorts of situations because women

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Speaker 1: are going over to a foreign country, presumably where they

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Speaker 1: haven't been before. They it's in this situation the men

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Speaker 1: feel like they've got a lot of the power. They're

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Speaker 1: making the demands.

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Speaker 2: Well, there's a massive power imbalance.

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Speaker 1: I do think it's important to point out that these

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Speaker 1: Instagram models and influencers differ from those who are legitimately

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Speaker 1: paid to promote products or destinations on their Instagram, So

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Speaker 1: I don't want people getting the two confused. These influencers

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Speaker 1: don't take on brand deals all legitimate modeling jobs, but

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Speaker 1: they still display the wealth and the lifestyle of influencers

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Speaker 1: that we see now. To sort of spot these people out,

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Speaker 1: they usually list their location as London slash Dubai and

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Speaker 1: have an email address for booking inquiries in their bios,

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Speaker 1: so a lot of them do know what they are doing,

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Speaker 1: and usually a telltale sign is that there are countless

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Speaker 1: photos of them living it up in Dubai with wealthy

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Speaker 1: Arab men commenting on their photos, and they somehow seem

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Speaker 1: to find themselves traveling to exotic locations on private jets,

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Speaker 1: sun baking on super yachts, and having designer shopping halls,

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Speaker 1: all while never taking on paid promotions or creating content

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Speaker 1: that requires an actual skill. So there's just some telltale

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Speaker 1: signs to look out for.

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Speaker 2: Amy.

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Speaker 1: How has this all come to light? Well, In twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 1: a controversial website called tag the Sponsor was set up

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Speaker 1: to expose Instagram models who flaunt their lavish lifestyles on Instagram.

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Speaker 1: So the website claimed to tell the truth and expose

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Speaker 1: the sponsor who was financing the trip, so essentially they

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Speaker 1: were claiming to expose the person who is cut out

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Speaker 1: of the photos on Instagram. The site post gotcha moments

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Speaker 1: of Instagram models agreeing to be paid to take part

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Speaker 1: in niche sexual activities and then publicly shames them to

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Speaker 1: the point where they delete their Instagram accounts. It is

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Speaker 1: so disgusting and so slut shamy, and I think, to

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Speaker 1: make matters worse, the website actually works on anonymous users

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Speaker 1: submitting screenshots, and the owner of this website was interviewed

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Speaker 1: by Cosmopolitan and he actually defended his actions by saying

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Speaker 1: that the women are fully aware of the trans action,

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Speaker 1: but he then completely contradicted himself by admitting that many

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Speaker 1: of the site's contributors have catfished the women into the

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Speaker 1: promise of an all expenses paid trip in exchange for sex.

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Speaker 1: So it's questionable how legitimate these screenshots actually are. I

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Speaker 1: feel like a lot of people are reveling in this

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Speaker 1: gotcha moment. There's just something about influences showing off wealth

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Speaker 1: that we don't like. And to find out that these

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00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 1: lavish trips and designer goods have been in some instances

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00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 1: in exchange for what sounds like some pretty degrading situations

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Speaker 1: could make some people feel validated.

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Speaker 2: However, there really is.

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Speaker 1: A serious and scary side to this. Yeah, it is

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Speaker 1: safe to say that women who are exchanging sex for

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Speaker 1: this very lavish lifestyle are finding themselves in really dangerous

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Speaker 1: positions when you think about it. These women are being

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Speaker 1: lured over to countries miles away from home, and their

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Speaker 1: friends and family into these situations with billionaires. They're being

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Speaker 1: made to signed NDA's and allegedly having experiences with royal families.

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Speaker 1: So you can see that this power imbalance is very

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Speaker 1: off and one woman interviewed by Cosmopolitan UK said she

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Speaker 1: began feeling brainwashed by Instagram. She said, once you start

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Speaker 1: climbing this ladder, you're never really satisfied. It's an addiction,

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Speaker 1: a video game you can never really win. You begin

571
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Speaker 1: wanting a millionaire, then a multimillionaire, until only a billionaire

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Speaker 1: will do. I reached the point where if a man

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Speaker 1: didn't have an AMEX black Card, I wouldn't date him.

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Speaker 1: And so if I think this really goes into what

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Speaker 1: you were saying that it's sort of scary how Instagram

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Speaker 1: is making women feel that they need to have these

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Speaker 1: things to show off, and there's this kind of payoff

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00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 1: where if I actually want to be a big influencer,

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Speaker 1: I need to show off these things on my feed

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Speaker 1: and this is the extent that some people are going

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Speaker 1: to in order to achieve this influencer status. The other

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Speaker 1: really disturbing element to this is that the women who

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Speaker 1: are accused of taking in child and animal abuse are

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Speaker 1: committing crimes. The animals and children cannot consent to any

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Speaker 1: of this, and in instances of sexual assault on miners,

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Speaker 1: people can be sentenced to the death penalty in Dubai.

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Speaker 1: So there's so many issues with this porter potty situation.

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Speaker 1: It's not something that should be laughed at or become

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Speaker 1: some sort of trend on TikTok. And in terms of

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Speaker 1: other actions, if both adults are consenting, that's really not

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Speaker 1: up for us to comment. However, I do question the

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Speaker 1: level of consent being provided. I mean, this is a

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Speaker 1: relationship of extreme power imbalances, so it's hard to know

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Speaker 1: what exactly goes on behind the scenes. And it is

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Speaker 1: important to note it's only this year that the United

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Speaker 1: Arab Emirates have made changes to the laws which decriminalize

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Speaker 1: consensual pre marital sex and allow unmarried couples to live together,

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Speaker 1: so previously those two things.

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Speaker 2: Were a crime.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think that's all we've got time for today.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us for another episode

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Speaker 1: of Outspoken. If you've would like to join in on

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