1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: Already and this is the Daily This is the Daily 2 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: ohs oh, now it makes sense. 3 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:13,119 Speaker 2: Hey there, I'm just popping in because since this podcast 4 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:16,319 Speaker 2: was uploaded on Tuesday morning, New South Wales Police have 5 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 2: announced that they are very confident that they have located 6 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:22,920 Speaker 2: the bodies of Jessebaird and Luke Davies. The bodies were 7 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 2: found in Bungonia, a small town about two hundred kilometers 8 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:29,319 Speaker 2: southwest of Sydney. The rest of the information in this 9 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 2: episode remains up to date. 10 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 3: Good morning and. 11 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 2: Welcome to the Daily OS. It's Tuesday, the twenty seventh 12 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 2: of February. 13 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:42,880 Speaker 1: I'm Zara, I'm Sam. 14 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:46,839 Speaker 2: Last Friday, a New South Wales police officer was charged 15 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 2: with a murder of Sydney couple Jessebaird and Luke Davies. 16 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 2: Although they have charged police officer bo Lamar Condon, who 17 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 2: was the former partner of bad, police have said he's 18 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 2: not cooperating in a search for the bodies. In today's 19 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 2: deep Dive, we'll talk through what we know has happened, 20 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 2: how the community is responding, and all the things that 21 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 2: the police are still trying to piece together. Before we 22 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 2: get there, though, Sam, what's making headlines today. 23 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: The Greens have announced they will vote against the federal 24 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:21,399 Speaker 1: government's help to Buy scheme in the House of Representatives. 25 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: The proposal is aimed at increasing home ownership amongst low 26 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 1: income earners, with the government contributing to the purchase of 27 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 1: a home in exchange for part ownership of the property. 28 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: Green's leader Adam Mant is calling for labour to cap 29 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: rents and build more public housing. 30 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 2: Legal proceedings have begun to determine an appeal brought by 31 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 2: former New South Wales Premier Gladysbury Jicklian over corruption allegations. 32 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 2: The Independent Commission against Corruption that's IKAK found that Barajicklian 33 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 2: engaged in corruption during a relationship with former Wogga Wogga 34 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 2: MP Darryl Maguire. Baragicklian's lawyers have argued IKAK was acting 35 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 2: out side its authority. 36 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 3: In handing down the rulings. Hearings will continue today. 37 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 1: The Eiffel Tower has reopened after employees strikes saw the 38 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 1: Paris monument closed to the public for almost a week. 39 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: Workers walked off the job over a dispute for better 40 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: pay and improved maintenance at the site. The towers operators 41 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 1: said a deal has now been reached with the workers' 42 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: union and the monument will reopen. The closures led to 43 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 1: the refund of around one hundred thousand entry tickets. 44 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,359 Speaker 2: And the good news the High Court of Bangladesh has 45 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 2: outlawed the practice of elephant adoption. The practice has allowed 46 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 2: Asian elephants to be raised in captivity as part of 47 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 2: traveling circuses. Animal welfare advocates have welcomed the ruling. Before 48 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 2: we start today's deep dive, just a quick heads up 49 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 2: that this explainer might be distressing for some listeners. If 50 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 2: you're not in the right headspace to listen today, we 51 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 2: will chat to you again tomorrow. 52 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:00,120 Speaker 1: So, Czara, the search for the bodies of Jessebaird and 53 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: Luke Davies is still underway. And this case really developed 54 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 1: quite quickly in a couple of days. Can you take 55 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 1: me back to last week when we first heard about 56 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: it all. 57 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:13,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I'll first just go through how this unfolded 58 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:16,920 Speaker 2: in the media. So it was Thursday afternoon when we 59 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 2: first heard about the case. New South Wales Police announced 60 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 2: that they were investigating the suspicious disappearance of a couple 61 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 2: both in their twenties. X Channel ten presenter Jesse Baird, 62 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:30,839 Speaker 2: who was twenty six, and flight attendant Luke Davies, who 63 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 2: was twenty nine. The couple hadn't been seen since that Monday, 64 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 2: so police were appealing for public information three days after 65 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 2: they had definitely last been seen. I'll paint a picture 66 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 2: of what police told us at that time. So last 67 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 2: Thursday they said that last Wednesday morning, some of the 68 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 2: couple's possessions were found in a skip bin in Cronulla. 69 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 2: By Wednesday afternoon, police had gone to Bed's home in 70 00:03:56,160 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 2: Paddington and immediately established a crime scene. On Thursday, police 71 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 2: executed a search warrant at a home in Balmain, and 72 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 2: that was in relation to a new South Wales police 73 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 2: officer and the former partner of Baird. We later found 74 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 2: out that his name is bo Lamar Condon. 75 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 1: And by Friday that name was everywhere. It was in 76 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:16,840 Speaker 1: all the headlines. 77 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 2: What happened after that, yeah, So on Friday Lamar Condon 78 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 2: handed himself into police in Bondai. Within hours, the twenty 79 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 2: eight year old police officer had been charged with two 80 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 2: counts of murder. And just before I go on any further, 81 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 2: I do just want to make a note about the language. 82 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:35,919 Speaker 3: We're going to use. From here on out, you're going to. 83 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 2: Hear us say the word alleged a lot, and that's 84 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 2: because until a verdict is delivered in a court, it 85 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 2: is still an allegation, regardless of the fact that charges 86 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 2: have been filed. So at a press conference on Friday, 87 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 2: Homicide Squad Commander Danny Doherty said. 88 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 4: This police also located a projectile at the premises which 89 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:03,039 Speaker 4: had been discharged, so a forward cartuc case. This has 90 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 4: now been ballistically matched to New South Wales Police firearm. 91 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 2: And just quickly on the note of an off duty 92 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 2: police officer being able to actually access a firearm, New 93 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 2: South Wales Police said yesterday that they're speaking to Victoria 94 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:19,719 Speaker 2: Police to help them review their systems about how they 95 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 2: actually store those firearms. 96 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 5: Overnight, I've spoken to my colleague, the Chief Commissioner of 97 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 5: Victoria Police to assist us in the review of our 98 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 5: systems the access and storage of New South Wales Police 99 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:41,919 Speaker 5: for firearms as it relates to particularly those areas of 100 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 5: the organization where its specialist areas and or events that 101 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:50,720 Speaker 5: we colloquially use as term as user pays events. 102 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 1: So it's now been a few days since the police 103 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:57,359 Speaker 1: charged Lamar Condon, what have they learned about what allegedly 104 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 1: has happened. 105 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:02,359 Speaker 2: So yesterday police held a press conference where they revealed 106 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 2: all of these new details about what they now know 107 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 2: or what they now believe to have happened. So police 108 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 2: confirmed that last Monday, gunshots were heard at about nine 109 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 2: to fifty am from the Paddington address and just a reminder, that's. 110 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 3: Where Baird lived. 111 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 2: Police have also now said that four minutes after those 112 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:24,920 Speaker 2: shots were first heard, there was a triple zero call 113 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:29,840 Speaker 2: made from Baird's phone, but it disconnected. Police, when they 114 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 2: were asked, wouldn't provide any further information on who they 115 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:36,159 Speaker 2: actually believe made that call. Police said that on the 116 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 2: same day, so last Monday, the accused then hired a 117 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 2: white van from Sydney Airport. On Tuesday, they believe Lamar 118 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 2: Condon allegedly told an acquaintance that he had been involved 119 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 2: in the death of two individuals. The exact wording from 120 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 2: what the police said yesterday was that he allegedly made 121 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 2: quote partial admissions. Then on Wednesday, police believed that he 122 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 2: drove to somewhere called Bungonia. It's a very small town 123 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 2: about two hundred kilometers southwest of Sydney. Police said that 124 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 2: he went there with an acquaintance who's now assisting police 125 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 2: with their inquiries, and police have said that the acquaintance 126 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 2: quote was not involved with anything. The accused then went 127 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 2: back to Sydney that Wednesday night where he bought weights 128 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 2: from a department store, and then overnight allegedly went back 129 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 2: to the property in Bungonia and then back to Sydney. Now, 130 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 2: I know that the geography is a bit confusing, especially 131 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 2: if you're not from Sydney, but I think that it 132 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 2: just shows the scope of what the investigation is actually 133 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 2: looking like at the moment. So police say that on 134 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 2: Thursday he drove to Newcastle. Again, if you're not from 135 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 2: New South Wales a bit of context. Newcastle is two 136 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 2: hours north of Sydney. Approximately there it's alleged that he 137 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 2: asks an acquaintance for a hose to clean the van. 138 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 2: Then lastly, on Friday morning, he drove from Newcastle back 139 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 2: to Sydney where he then handed himself into police in 140 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 2: bonder So. 141 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 1: The manicus handed himself into police in Bondai, but he 142 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 1: isn't cooperating with detectives on where the bodies are. Yeah, 143 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: tell me a little bit more about that aspect of 144 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: the investigation. 145 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's right. 146 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 2: The accused has not told police any information about where 147 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 2: the bodies are, and police have. 148 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 3: Essentially said that he's refusing to cooperate. 149 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 2: In the press conference yesterday, they said it's possible that 150 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 2: he returned to the property in Bongonia to retrieve the 151 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 2: bodies and to dispose of them somewhere else. 152 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 3: But police also said that there are. 153 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 2: Gaps still in their timeline, so they're still basically looking 154 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 2: in multiple places. They haven't really narrowed down the scope that. 155 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 1: Much all over New South Wales. 156 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 2: Exactly, and police have said that their number one priority 157 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 2: at the moment is to try and locate the bodies, 158 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 2: and they've said that they're searching hundreds of kilometers north 159 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 2: and south of the main crime scene here in Sydney. 160 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 1: So this story is obviously horrific on a singular level, 161 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: but there are also broader dynamics at play here about 162 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 1: the relationship between the police and the gay community. 163 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I mean for a number of reasons. 164 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 2: Firstly, this coming weekend in Sydney is Marti Gras, which 165 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 2: of course is a bright and colorful celebration of the 166 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 2: LGBTQIA plus Pride that happens every year. It began as 167 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:19,079 Speaker 2: a protest in nineteen seventy eight against discrimination and oppression 168 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 2: faced by the community at a time when sex between 169 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 2: men was illegal and you could legally be sacked if 170 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 2: you were discovered to be gay or trans. Antidiscrimination laws 171 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 2: were still years away. The first Marti Gras march down 172 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 2: Oxford Street was met with violent arrests by police, who 173 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 2: also assaulted protesters while they were detained in their cells. 174 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 2: Police have marched in the Marti Gras parade since nineteen 175 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 2: ninety eight. Now, over the weekend, the Sydney Morning Herald 176 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 2: published an editorial and that just basically means the paper 177 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 2: took a uniform position on an issue, and in this 178 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 2: editorial they said police should not march in this year's 179 00:09:56,559 --> 00:10:00,200 Speaker 2: Marti Gras. When asked about it, here's what News South 180 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 2: Wales Police Commissioner Karen Webb responded. 181 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 5: We have been participating in Marti Gras for the last 182 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 5: twenty years and haven't missed a year, and I would 183 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:12,320 Speaker 5: hate to see that this is the year that we 184 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:15,199 Speaker 5: are excluded because of the actions of one person. 185 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 2: Then late last night, the Sydney Gay and Lesbian Marti 186 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 2: Gras Board actually released a statement that said that it 187 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 2: had taken the decision to request that the police do 188 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 2: not march in the twenty twenty four parade. The statement said, 189 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 2: and I quote our community needs space to grieve the 190 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 2: loss of Jesse and Luke, who before this tragedy would 191 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 2: have been here celebrating with us at the festival. And then, 192 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 2: aside from Marti Gras, there's also this fact that just 193 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 2: a few months ago, an inquiry into LGBTIQ hate crimes 194 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 2: in New South Wales delivered its final report. It made 195 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 2: nineteen recommendations for the police force about how to correct 196 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 2: a history of bias. 197 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 3: Against these communities. 198 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:02,559 Speaker 2: Over the weekend, the same Police Commissioner Karen Webb apologized 199 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 2: to the families of the gay hate victims and she 200 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 2: said that New South Wales Police would quote use these 201 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 2: lessons to continue to improve. So there are, as you say, 202 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 2: these fraud dynamics that are planning out at the same 203 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 2: time as this criminal investigation. If you need help, please 204 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 2: reach out to Q Life on one eight hundred one 205 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 2: eight four five to two seven. 206 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: A really disturbing and complex story there. Zara thank you 207 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 1: for joining us on the Dalios today. We'll be back 208 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: again tomorrow morning. Until then, have a good day. My 209 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: name is Lily Maddon and I'm a proud Arunda Bunjelung 210 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: Kalgotin woman from Gadighl country. The dli oz acknowledges that 211 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: this podcast is recorded on the lands of the Gadighl 212 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 1: people and pays respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait 213 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:50,679 Speaker 1: Island and nations. 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