Speaker 1: It's in the news today, but it was actually on
Speaker 1: TV Reload the podcast last week They're Life. Hey guys,
Speaker 1: welcome back to TV Reload. I want to thank you
Speaker 1: for clicking and downloading on today's episode with Lucy Coleman,
Speaker 1: who is the creator of Exposure, which is now on
Speaker 1: STAN Australia.
Speaker 2: The whole series is actually.
Speaker 1: Available to view on their streaming service, and I suggest
Speaker 1: whilst the story is quite bleak at times, it is
Speaker 1: still something I don't think we've really seen before and
Speaker 1: it's worth definitely checking out. Lucy Coleman is an Australian
Speaker 1: screenwriter and director, producing original work under her label Loosey's
Speaker 1: Hell Productions. Lucy Coleman's first TV experience is this series Exposure,
Speaker 1: which premiered on STAN Australia on the twentieth of June.
Speaker 1: Lucy is the creator and sole writer of the six
Speaker 1: thirty minute series episodes. Commissioned by STAN and partnered by
Speaker 1: All Three Media, the series is produced by Justin Cozell,
Speaker 1: Sean Grant and Nicole Donahue under the newly established production
Speaker 1: banner Thirdborn. The series is something that was born out
Speaker 1: of a real life sitution situation but has inspired a
Speaker 1: fictitious crime drama that is quite bleak and yet quite
Speaker 1: beautiful at the same time. I will talk about how
Speaker 1: this project was greenlighted, what parameters were given by the
Speaker 1: streaming service, and even how they created the young voices
Speaker 1: and nuances for these characters. We will unpack the darker
Speaker 1: themes and how Lucy wants people to approach this story,
Speaker 1: including survivors of sexual assault.
Speaker 2: There's actually so.
Speaker 1: Many great actors in this series, including Alice, the protagonist
Speaker 1: and Essie, but Lucy will talk about the bravery of
Speaker 1: some of the male actors had during the shoot as well.
Speaker 1: You will find out a little tease about what Lucy
Speaker 1: is up to next and why female driven stories will
Speaker 1: always be important to her. There's actually so much to
Speaker 1: unpack with Luce, and I hope you can sit back
Speaker 1: and relax as we delve into the wonderful world of
Speaker 1: the stand original series Exposure. I want to kick this
Speaker 1: off by saying, this series is so groundbreaking, and I
Speaker 1: feel like, you know, it's a lot darker than we've
Speaker 1: seen of anything of this genre. How do you feel
Speaker 1: about people sort of saying a series like this is groundbreaking.
Speaker 3: It's the intention of what we very much were wanting
Speaker 3: to do. I think it's completely in line with how
Speaker 3: authentic we wanted to be with the series, and I
Speaker 3: think with exploring such a bold, complicated, nuanced female character
Speaker 3: at the forefront, people having very different reactions to Yeah,
Speaker 3: I think it was absolutely kind of where we were
Speaker 3: wanting to go. We very much had intentions for it
Speaker 3: to be of its own unique world.
Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, I just don't think of seeing anything
Speaker 1: like it. I was in Warburton with my partner. We
Speaker 1: were lucky enough to get a preview of the series,
Speaker 1: so we were sort of flying in a little blind
Speaker 1: and we put it on and it was like disappearing
Speaker 1: into a world. And I have a podcast on television,
Speaker 1: so I watch a lot of Telly. I can't remember
Speaker 1: disappearing into a world in a way like this that
Speaker 1: felt so real and felt so raw and had me
Speaker 1: sort of often really confronting issues that I think people
Speaker 1: talk about on the surface a lot but don't feel
Speaker 1: comfortable enough to say doesn't make any sense to you.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, it's actually really validating and lovely here, So thank
Speaker 4: you say that.
Speaker 1: I just like it was such a world, you know,
Speaker 1: and I think, you know, we it might not be
Speaker 1: for everyone. I have to say that, because maybe people
Speaker 1: don't like bleak content, or maybe people don't like real
Speaker 1: issues being put up against their faces like this. But
Speaker 1: it's so powerful and it's so rich. I guess I
Speaker 1: should just say congratulations on doing something like this.
Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you so much.
Speaker 3: That really means a lot, because we have we have
Speaker 3: realized since kind of putting it out that it is,
Speaker 3: you know, that it sort of sits in a slightly
Speaker 3: divisive space. But I think that the art that I've
Speaker 3: always been drawn to the most has also been divert
Speaker 3: just sorry, what's the word I'm trying to say, charming?
Speaker 3: I sive. So I think that we very much were
Speaker 3: wanting to swing for the rafters and do something that
Speaker 3: felt incredibly authentic and contemporary and rich and bold and
Speaker 3: just really go there. And it was incredible to work
Speaker 3: with a creative team that were all wanting, they were
Speaker 3: all on board to.
Speaker 4: Take those risks.
Speaker 3: And it's definitely project that I'm so deeply proud of
Speaker 3: to be able to put out into the world as
Speaker 3: lay it as it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, put your name on that, That's what I said, Yeah, totally.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a difficult subject matter in a
Speaker 1: way because I really want to be sensitive about it.
Speaker 1: But for you personally using your own story as a
Speaker 1: part of a tent pole to how you created the
Speaker 1: rest of it around it, I feel like this must
Speaker 1: have been quite cathartic for you. Has this been either
Speaker 1: very cheap or very expensive psychological session for you?
Speaker 3: It's been a unique psychological session.
Speaker 2: I like, I'm in the session with you, do you
Speaker 2: know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Like when I'm totally totally I think it's.
Speaker 2: Cathartic, I really do for you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, it very deeply was.
Speaker 3: I think it's something that I'll write about in time,
Speaker 3: probably through the means of some kind of literary essays,
Speaker 3: as opposed to making another show or something that was
Speaker 3: quite an extraordinary I think once in a lifetime experience
Speaker 3: of literally being in development on a show and going
Speaker 3: through my own process of acceptance of having literally pitched
Speaker 3: a show still in a place of denial, you know,
Speaker 3: working on a series, and then going through that process
Speaker 3: of acceptance along with Jax the protagonist those sort of
Speaker 3: you know, penultimate and ultimate episodes. But yes, just to
Speaker 3: sort of also clarify, you know, it is very much
Speaker 3: a work of fiction. It is by no means auto fiction.
Speaker 3: It's the story of Kell and the chase of do
Speaker 3: not message was is absolutely not my real life. It's
Speaker 3: very much more that the trauma and the maladaptive behaviors
Speaker 3: that I was. That was sort of the nighting point
Speaker 3: from which I wanted to explore in the series.
Speaker 1: How do you think it will sit though? Like, how
Speaker 1: do you think the show will sit with people who've
Speaker 1: experienced sexual assault though? Because I can imagine for you
Speaker 1: that this has been quite cathartic, and I haven't experienced
Speaker 1: sexual assaults, so I don't want to I can't put
Speaker 1: the hat on. But how do you think that lands
Speaker 1: with them? Do you think it'll be a cathartic experience
Speaker 1: for them or would you be concerned for them to
Speaker 1: sit down and unpack this.
Speaker 4: I think that's going.
Speaker 3: To be a very unique experience for the viewer, So
Speaker 3: I think there. You know, there's trigger warnings at the
Speaker 3: beginning of each episode that are completed to be taken seriously.
Speaker 3: But then I received a really heartwarming message from an
Speaker 3: old friend of mine from back during my undergrad days,
Speaker 3: who I haven't seen in probably ten years, who reached
Speaker 3: out to me and said how incredibly meaningful the series
Speaker 3: had been to her, that she too had gone through
Speaker 3: similar experiences and had gone to therapy and had to
Speaker 3: kind of process that for herself, but she just was
Speaker 3: so she just felt so comforted by seeing Jax being
Speaker 3: this very.
Speaker 4: Complicated young woman.
Speaker 3: And you know, we kind of back and forth in
Speaker 3: a dialogue, and I think what was really meaningful to
Speaker 3: me that this friend expressed was that she said that
Speaker 3: this is something that is going to give other people
Speaker 3: that might not have the words to put their own
Speaker 3: story into that this will be a tool for other
Speaker 3: people to unpack something for themselves that they may not
Speaker 3: necessarily have, that have the capacity or the words to
Speaker 3: be able to do that.
Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting. It's one of my biggest mantress
Speaker 1: is to share your story. And it's sometimes so powerful
Speaker 1: to see someone going through something when you felt particularly
Speaker 1: alone by that. So seeing that isn't just you, or
Speaker 1: it hasn't just happened to you, that you're seeing it
Speaker 1: visually put in front of you like that can actually
Speaker 1: be quite a beautiful process, I think in some way,
Speaker 1: and that you go, oh, I'm not alone, Like this
Speaker 1: has not just happened to me, and I've seen that
Speaker 1: in shows where things that have happened in my life
Speaker 1: have been mirrored, and I've found it to be quite pathetic.
Speaker 1: So I do hope that's that's how it's going to land.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I hope so too.
Speaker 3: And I think that that was very like, that was
Speaker 3: so wholeheartedly my intention of wanting to tell this story
Speaker 3: was to allow people to not feel so alone.
Speaker 2: I think you do that. I think you do that
Speaker 2: really well.
Speaker 1: And I think you don't cheat the audience either on
Speaker 1: sparing us, where I think in television we've seen that before,
Speaker 1: where there's this sort of caution of oh no, we
Speaker 1: can't be that confronted or we can't be that real.
Speaker 1: You haven't cheated us at all with any of that,
Speaker 1: And it's so powerful and it's bold and it's very
Speaker 1: risky to do, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally. I think that it was kind of hilarious.
Speaker 3: The day that the show came out, there was sort
Speaker 3: of a commentary from like an in the media was questioning,
Speaker 3: is this really the female experience?
Speaker 4: And if so, then Jesus fuck.
Speaker 3: And I found that so deeply offensive and so incredibly reductive,
Speaker 3: because yes, this is the female experience and if you
Speaker 3: felt confronted by that as a.
Speaker 4: Man, then that's great because.
Speaker 3: You should know what there's you know the effects of
Speaker 3: men's trauma is having so deeply on women. It's like
Speaker 3: I sort of I was joking them with my friends.
Speaker 3: I mean, did this man want a front row seat
Speaker 3: to me at twenty seven? Because you know, if it
Speaker 3: could have been almost even bleaker than what has ended
Speaker 3: up on screen. I'm so proud of this show and
Speaker 3: the creative team and just everyone being as bold as
Speaker 3: they've been, because I think it hasn't shied away from
Speaker 3: trying to gloss it up or layer it with, you know,
Speaker 3: trying to make it easier or less gray or more digestible.
Speaker 3: It's kind of just really stuck true to being to
Speaker 3: the sort of hell that that experience can be.
Speaker 1: I've read somewhere that you referred to this in a
Speaker 1: way about the northern Beaches of Sydney to puberty blues.
Speaker 1: There was a reference to that, and the thing that
Speaker 1: stuck with me in your referential ability to look at
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty one to twenty twenty four. It's so surprising
Speaker 1: how little, very little we have come since then, and
Speaker 1: how toxic masculinity still exists, and that toxic culture can
Speaker 1: even still be happening, and why aren't we addressing that,
Speaker 1: you know, why aren't men wanting to be more accountable?
Speaker 1: It was just an interesting reference point, it is.
Speaker 3: I know, I was bit nervous then when I read
Speaker 3: that quote that and I had said that because I was.
Speaker 4: Like, oh, no, I hope that all the bitches don't
Speaker 4: turn on me.
Speaker 2: They probably will, but you know, that's the thing.
Speaker 1: If you want to be bold and if you want
Speaker 1: to join the conversation, if you want to make a difference,
Speaker 1: you have to take big swings. And I think that
Speaker 1: this show is taking some very big swings. And I
Speaker 1: also think, you know, act as like Sean Keenan. I'm
Speaker 1: hoping I'm saying his name right, because I've seen him
Speaker 1: lots of stuff. But even he taking this role on
Speaker 1: I thought was really brave of him.
Speaker 4: Because so brave of him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and how incredible, by the way, is his performance?
Speaker 4: I like, oh it really is it? Really?
Speaker 3: It is both so brave of him and it's such
Speaker 3: an extraordinary performance. We were all just flawed by the
Speaker 3: work that he had done.
Speaker 2: And then with Alice as well and Essie They're both
Speaker 2: just brilliant in this show like that every minute that
Speaker 2: they're on screen, and it's a lot of heavy lifting
Speaker 2: for Alice.
Speaker 1: They are both so ingrained into their roles. Were you
Speaker 1: worried about because I'm not an actor, so I don't
Speaker 1: necessarily understand the process of that, or I don't understand
Speaker 1: each actor's individual process with how they connect to a character.
Speaker 1: But were you worried for the actors immersing themselves into
Speaker 1: some of these characters about how that might leave a
Speaker 1: lasting effect on them?
Speaker 3: I think that Alice is such an incredible professional, still
Speaker 3: a young woman herself, but she has been acting since
Speaker 3: she was fourteen and has developed the most extraordinary process
Speaker 3: for herself. I mean, watching her every day on set
Speaker 3: was a complete and utter masterclass, and so I'm sure
Speaker 3: that it was instilled into Alice what that process was
Speaker 3: for her to be going in and out of a
Speaker 3: character on set when we had more sensitive issue days.
Speaker 3: We also then had an intimacy coordinator there as well
Speaker 3: as a mental health nurse there to also help that
Speaker 3: characters go in it to move between being a character
Speaker 3: and coming back out of character. We took all of
Speaker 3: that very seriously, but Alice just I think has over
Speaker 3: time developed an incredible process and craft for herself. It
Speaker 3: was really because she's in literally every single scene of
Speaker 3: the entire show, so she was on set working the
Speaker 3: longest hours and she just brought it every day, every minute.
Speaker 4: It was just incredible to watch.
Speaker 1: Which I could imagine would be really hard because how
Speaker 1: long was the shoot for? Like how long were you
Speaker 1: shooting this?
Speaker 4: About six weeks?
Speaker 1: So like think about that, like six weeks in that
Speaker 1: mindset that she created because she is on screen warts
Speaker 1: and all, and when you're watching this show, you feel
Speaker 1: such a such a consistent mood that she creates as
Speaker 1: an actress. Yeah, that never lets you go as an audience,
Speaker 1: like you can't turn away.
Speaker 4: I know, She's It's really remarkable.
Speaker 1: And I can imagine putting a show like this out
Speaker 1: there is like a really clever way to address And
Speaker 1: I kind of was touching on this before, but the
Speaker 1: issues you know in Australia and confronting the elephant in
Speaker 1: the room when it comes to domestic violence. You know,
Speaker 1: how important was that for you to start that conversation?
Speaker 1: Have you seen that because this show's now been out
Speaker 1: for a week, have you seen that conversation being discussed
Speaker 1: because of this show.
Speaker 3: I haven't yet, and I hope that the show does
Speaker 3: proliferate that conversation. More so, I think what has been
Speaker 3: and really touching is the messages that I'm receiving from women.
Speaker 4: I think that's been the most.
Speaker 3: That's you know, that was my exact reason for wanting
Speaker 3: to put this out, and so receiving those messages from
Speaker 3: women about feeling seen, about feeling heard, about having their
Speaker 3: experiences seen on screen, the appreciation for the show, that
Speaker 3: has been the most affecting for me.
Speaker 1: I wonder about the writer's room as well, because I kept,
Speaker 1: you know, what's done exceptionally well. But this dialogue that
Speaker 1: you have created for these young people in this show
Speaker 1: is so well put together. Is that all you in
Speaker 1: the writer's room? Did you have younger voices coming in
Speaker 1: to make sure that that sounded that way?
Speaker 4: That's not me. We didn't have writers' rooms.
Speaker 3: Our writers' rooms per se were myself and the producers,
Speaker 3: who are extraordinary creatives themselves.
Speaker 4: But yeah, no, we didn't have writers' rooms.
Speaker 3: I went away and was kind of, you know, at
Speaker 3: the helm of all the scripts and that I think
Speaker 3: that just just come through from my life, you know,
Speaker 3: like that's just come through from my youth and my friends.
Speaker 3: And I think that, I, yeah, that's just kind of
Speaker 3: come through from my kind of scrappy, scraby twentiesn't. And
Speaker 3: I've always been someone that has heavily invested in friendships.
Speaker 3: That's always been at the kind of the forefront. They've
Speaker 3: always been my most deepest and meaningful relationships. So I
Speaker 3: think that that sort of banter and naturalism between friends
Speaker 3: is just so just so part of kind of who
Speaker 3: I am as a creator.
Speaker 1: It's done so well and it's creating authentic voices and
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, it's interesting you sometimes speak
Speaker 1: to younger audiences about what they're watching on TV, like
Speaker 1: are we losing the younger audience because they aren't seeing themselves?
Speaker 1: So I think it's so potent to make sure that
Speaker 1: we're representing them in ways in which that they can
Speaker 1: connect to as well. And I genuinely feel like this
Speaker 1: he's doing that is bringing younger audiences to television.
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally. I really hope that we achieved that as well.
Speaker 3: Think that you know, when I was a young woman,
Speaker 3: it was sort of like it frustrated me so like,
Speaker 3: this is in the comedy realm. But it frustrated me
Speaker 3: so much that there was sort of this all these
Speaker 3: like male comedy sex comedies like super Bad and The
Speaker 3: in Betweeners, and I loved, you know, I love The
Speaker 3: in Betweeners, but I was like, where where the for
Speaker 3: the female versions?
Speaker 2: And it was sore on the podcast Don't worry, Lucy,
Speaker 2: keep going.
Speaker 3: Okay, good, Yeah, And it was great to see kind
Speaker 3: of you know later dairy Girls come out, yeah and
Speaker 3: speak to the female experience of those years, and I
Speaker 3: think that, yeah, I very much wanted to really, yeah,
Speaker 3: connect to that twenties audience and connect to that twenties youth,
Speaker 3: and yeah, very much, you know, be giving this show
Speaker 3: to them.
Speaker 2: Well, we all want to be seen. We all want
Speaker 2: to be seen on screen. You know.
Speaker 1: That's the commit that's the currency between us, is to
Speaker 1: be seen. And I think you've done that in a
Speaker 1: way that there's going to so many people that haven't
Speaker 1: been seen like this before. You know, the show was
Speaker 1: commissioned by Stan and partnered with all three Media. How
Speaker 1: free did they allow you to make this project the
Speaker 1: way you wanted to make it? Did they give you
Speaker 1: notes when the final scripts happened and said to change
Speaker 1: a thing like what was your relationship, making sure that
Speaker 1: the product was what you wanted it to be, and
Speaker 1: also listening to what those voices were saying.
Speaker 4: Stan and all three were incredibly liberating.
Speaker 3: I think that we were so lucky to have female commissioners,
Speaker 3: you know. I think that was just has been such
Speaker 3: a huge, like amazing grace moment for us to have
Speaker 3: women overseeing the project because they so innately got what
Speaker 3: we were saying and what we were wanting to do
Speaker 3: and wanting to achieve, and they just entirely backed us
Speaker 3: and championed us, and which was just really unbelievable because
Speaker 3: you can hear horror stories in that space of a creator.
Speaker 3: Really what ends up hitting the screen was really not
Speaker 3: close to what they intended, and this is just so
Speaker 3: the opposite of that experience. We couldn't have worked with
Speaker 3: people who understood us were just so generous and collaborative
Speaker 3: with us.
Speaker 4: So, yeah, they were really amazing and.
Speaker 1: It's important to have that took a part of Imagine
Speaker 1: impact the script developing program. Did that allow you to
Speaker 1: be bold and make bold choices with your scripts? Is
Speaker 1: that sort of a space that you found that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the lab was a very early and
Speaker 3: small part of the process, because you know, really development
Speaker 3: ends up becoming a long, multi year long process. But
Speaker 3: I think it was sort of being championed by such
Speaker 3: independent like you know, Sean and Justin and Nicole of
Speaker 3: Thurborn Films as such independent come from such an independent
Speaker 3: filmmaker background, and I think that's where the strengths of
Speaker 3: being able to be so bold and authentic with voice
Speaker 3: came from. Was from these incredible filmmakers with their own
Speaker 3: incredible careers who value voice and authenticity as such a
Speaker 3: kind of mantlepiece of their own. I think that's where
Speaker 3: that sort of belief came from to be like, well, fuck, yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm getting handed the reins to do something really unique here,
Speaker 3: and no one was telling me to kind.
Speaker 4: Of you know, pull back full back, or.
Speaker 3: Can you just take a few edges off here and
Speaker 3: there and smooth it out? And I don't know about this,
Speaker 3: and I don't know about that, And it was really
Speaker 3: an environment to be encouraged to be as bold as possible.
Speaker 1: Well, I think that's something that you must have learned,
Speaker 1: because I mean I was also saying that you know,
Speaker 1: you shadowed justin with Nitrom and that movie was such
Speaker 1: a sensitive subject matter and Australian media seemed to so
Speaker 1: prepredacious about that story being made into a film. But
Speaker 1: I thought, if you're going to learn to turn off
Speaker 1: the outside noise and stay true to yourself and oh
Speaker 1: was the grit, I think working on a film like
Speaker 1: that must have taught you how to do it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think just having really feminist values is
Speaker 3: very much what teaches me to do that too. I
Speaker 3: just want to see so much progress in the space
Speaker 3: of women's stories. I just hope that I can be
Speaker 3: a part of continuing to break down barriers of versions
Speaker 3: of women that people feel like are acceptable for screen,
Speaker 3: because I think as we continue to put these more
Speaker 3: bold and daring female protagonists out there, like promising younger
Speaker 3: women and I may destroy you and shop objects and
Speaker 3: you know, now hopefully adding exposure.
Speaker 4: Into the mix of that, I think we're just giving
Speaker 4: so much.
Speaker 3: Power to women to be fully seen and heard for,
Speaker 3: you know, the entirety of who they are as deeply
Speaker 3: layered people. So I think it's kind of really I
Speaker 3: think it's really my feminism that pushes me to really
Speaker 3: have a bit of a no, no hold bask kind
Speaker 3: of attitude to my work.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 1: I mean it's interesting because you think about it for
Speaker 1: so many years on screen, like you were sort of
Speaker 1: alluding to before, we just sort of see the same
Speaker 1: sort of primary colors on how you want to show
Speaker 1: women on screen and in storytelling, and then you start
Speaker 1: looking at what we're doing now with streaming services, particularly
Speaker 1: with Stan and my hat is off to stand. With
Speaker 1: this particular show, it's like we get the druent collection
Speaker 1: of color, and that means that these people that aren't niche,
Speaker 1: that are everyday women in Australia can see themselves on screen,
Speaker 1: and I think that that's something that we need to
Speaker 1: push harder for. I'm in your audience. I can't wait
Speaker 1: to see what you do next. By the way, can
Speaker 1: you even tell me what you're.
Speaker 2: Going to do next?
Speaker 4: Amazing? I'm well, I guess I kind of like you know, I'm.
Speaker 3: Still in early development days of myself, but I'm going
Speaker 3: into a bit of a gender and capitalism space, so
Speaker 3: that's sort of the next next frontier and going into
Speaker 3: kind of some transgressive characters and yeah, I'm going to
Speaker 3: kind of take on.
Speaker 2: The workforce there while I get the wood, do you
Speaker 2: know what I mean?
Speaker 1: That's what my partner and I say when we're watching
Speaker 1: something good on television, because we have the fireplace we
Speaker 1: go to in Wolton where we watch a lot of shows,
Speaker 1: and it's always, if the show's really good, you wait
Speaker 1: here while I get some wood for this because we're
Speaker 1: going to be here for a while.
Speaker 4: I am amazingly I love that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and probably a few reads.
Speaker 1: I could talk to you, Lucy forever, because I just
Speaker 1: think you're an extraordinary storyteller, an extraordinary content maker.
Speaker 2: But I'm running out of time.
Speaker 1: And my podcast always finishes with asking people, what is
Speaker 1: something from behind the scenes, something that as an audience
Speaker 1: we wouldn't get a chance to see or know from
Speaker 1: watching this series?
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, Yeah, I mean, I think we all
Speaker 3: put it on the table. But do you know what
Speaker 3: I think is a Really was just such a really
Speaker 3: beautiful experience for me on the show. The male actors
Speaker 3: of this series were such beautiful young men, and so
Speaker 3: it was incredibly healing to have written these male characters,
Speaker 3: that these male characters had been so true to a
Speaker 3: part of my life, to then cast them with some
Speaker 3: of the freaking loveliest.
Speaker 4: Men out there.
Speaker 3: Was just a complete and utter joy. And I've become
Speaker 3: such good friends with like a whole lot of.
Speaker 1: Them casting in these as much as I see this
Speaker 1: as a female driven story, their performances and the spaces
Speaker 1: that were created in this story by some of the
Speaker 1: men in this To be that vulnerable or to be
Speaker 1: that to expose themselves like this takes a lot of guts,
Speaker 1: I think, you know.
Speaker 3: Oh, totally totally, And they were just the loveliest young
Speaker 3: men and they just gave me a lot of hope
Speaker 3: about that there is change, that there is a lot
Speaker 3: of change being made, and that some that you know,
Speaker 3: that these incredible young men are out there, and so
Speaker 3: that that was just I think kind of a behind
Speaker 3: you know that sort of I think are behind the scenes.
Speaker 2: No, I love it, I love it.
Speaker 1: I think that is so amazing, LIZI I want to
Speaker 1: say thank you so much for being so generous with
Speaker 1: your time and sharing your story with this series but
Speaker 1: also with me today. I hope more eyes get to
Speaker 1: see this series, and I hope just as many people
Speaker 1: like myself will be in your audience to see what
Speaker 1: you do next.
Speaker 3: Oh thanks Benjamin, Yeah, Thank you so much for just
Speaker 3: so deeply engaging with the show, and I.
Speaker 2: Watched it twice.
Speaker 4: Oh my god. Wow.
Speaker 1: Well I kind of have to, like, if I'm going
Speaker 1: to speak to someone, I want to have the I
Speaker 1: think it's important because I think you have to have
Speaker 1: the viewers experience. You need to ask questions, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. And that's a difference. Then you're kind
Speaker 1: of being a journalist, and that's that to me. Those
Speaker 1: two roles are so separate, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: If you're going to talk to someone like you and
Speaker 1: thank god you said yes and here we are, you
Speaker 1: go back and watch the show again with your notepad
Speaker 1: and pen and want to know more.
Speaker 4: Thanks so much.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it really means a lot too that you've engaged
Speaker 3: so much with it and have just s been You've
Speaker 3: really got it and you enjoyed.
Speaker 4: It so much. Yeah, it means a lot that people
Speaker 4: are digging it.
Speaker 2: Go and watch it.
Speaker 1: For anyone who's listening to my podcast right now, go
Speaker 1: and watch this one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're in for a wild ride, I think.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is a wild ride.