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<v Speaker 1>This is Outspoken. The podcast is not afraid to say

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<v Speaker 1>exactly what you're thinking. Our names are Amy Kate and

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<v Speaker 1>Sophie Torba. We're identical triplets, but we often don't have

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<v Speaker 1>identical opinions, so sometimes things can get heated. Outspoken covers

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<v Speaker 1>all things reality TV, influencers, entertainment, and issues facing women.

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<v Speaker 1>That is so fatch. Thank you, thank you for joining us. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>this definitely isn't the podcast we thought we would be

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<v Speaker 1>recording today, and to be honest, we were pretty reluctant

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<v Speaker 1>to do so. But upon reflecting about why we started

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<v Speaker 1>the podcast, we really thought it was important to do so. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>for those who don't know my sisters Amy and Sophie,

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<v Speaker 1>they were both reporters at Channel seven and they were

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<v Speaker 1>unfairly dismissed when Amy became a victim of sexual harassment. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>going back to the reason why we started the podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>we felt like we lost our voices in that whole scenario.

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<v Speaker 1>So we wanted to create a podcast where we could

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<v Speaker 1>talk about whatever we wanted, where I suppose we could

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<v Speaker 1>inspire women to stand up for their rise, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>why we decided to call the podcast Outspoken. We also

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<v Speaker 1>think it's important to stick up for yourself and speak

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<v Speaker 1>out about something that you don't really find just or fair,

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<v Speaker 1>And in this instance, there were so many questions raised

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<v Speaker 1>over this matter that we thought we really needed to

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<v Speaker 1>address them. Now, the matter, of course, involves a podcast

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<v Speaker 1>that we released on Tuesday morning, and in that podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>we dissected Shameless's transition from journalists to influencers, and we

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<v Speaker 1>spoke about what happened when you turn into the subject

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<v Speaker 1>that you critique. Now, we felt like we provided a

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<v Speaker 1>fair and balanced analysis of the podcast. However, later that night,

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<v Speaker 1>we received a review that really surprised us. Now that

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<v Speaker 1>review was from Genevieve Day, who is Shameless's manager, and

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<v Speaker 1>the review read the copycat style is a shame or

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<v Speaker 1>it could have added new voices and opinions. Now, can

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<v Speaker 1>we just say there was some comments regarding whether this

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<v Speaker 1>comment was real. We have received a message from gereneviev

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<v Speaker 1>confirming the comment is from her. Now, this is from

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<v Speaker 1>her a few account on Instagram. Yes, and also she

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<v Speaker 1>has left reviews on Shameless's podcasts and Love et cetera podcasts.

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<v Speaker 1>They're quite glowing reviews obviously, so we are one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>percent certain that this is Genevieve Day, so we just

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to make sure people were aware of that. Secondly,

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<v Speaker 1>we also want to make people aware that we are

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<v Speaker 1>in no way hating on Genevieve at all. We want

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<v Speaker 1>to discuss Genevieve's actions, not her as a person, and

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<v Speaker 1>in order to do so, we wanted to provide some

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<v Speaker 1>context to who she is and why this comment was

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<v Speaker 1>important for us to discuss. So, Genevieve is the director

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<v Speaker 1>of influencer and talent management agency Day Management, so she

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<v Speaker 1>manages influencers such as Tally Smith, Sarah Davidson, Flex Mammy,

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<v Speaker 1>Nick Davidson, and she also manages podcasts like Sees the Ya,

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<v Speaker 1>Reality Check and of course Shameless. And it's fair to

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<v Speaker 1>say that Genevieve is really a public figure in her

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<v Speaker 1>own right. She has almost five thousand followers on Instagram

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<v Speaker 1>and she's been featured on a range of podcasts, including

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<v Speaker 1>the daily talk show Beauty Island, podcast, Sees, the Yay

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<v Speaker 1>and Uncommon. Now, what's really problematic about Genevieve's review is

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that the podcast she manages Shameless. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>they have been very outspoken on the fact that they

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<v Speaker 1>have been receiving comments on their review section, which they

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<v Speaker 1>have labeled as trolling comments. And it would be fair

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<v Speaker 1>to say that the review we've received from Genevieve wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>the nicest comments. So it does seem quite contradictory that

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<v Speaker 1>in one sense they're calling out others for critiquing their podcasts,

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<v Speaker 1>but then their manager is then slamming other podcasts. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>it's definitely safe to say the review we received from

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<v Speaker 1>Genevieve wasn't constructive criticism at all. If anything, it was

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<v Speaker 1>an attempt to punch down at us. It actually did

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<v Speaker 1>seem quite calculated, and it's strange to think that a

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<v Speaker 1>manager of talent of influencers would then just jump to

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<v Speaker 1>write a bad review. And I suppose that gets us

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<v Speaker 1>on to the point about what these sort of star

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<v Speaker 1>ratings and reviews mean for small businesses, because a review

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<v Speaker 1>can really cripple a business. So say a restaurant, if

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<v Speaker 1>you go on there and give them all one star review,

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<v Speaker 1>that is really going to stop a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>from eating at that restaurant, which is the same for podcasts. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>the hit network in Cofspay actually picked up on this

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<v Speaker 1>story this morning and they were speaking about how these

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<v Speaker 1>one star reviews are very detrimental to small businesses, and

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<v Speaker 1>we should also put it into perspective that, especially during

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<v Speaker 1>the coronavirus, there are so many small businesses that are

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<v Speaker 1>financially taking hits. I mean, for us, this is a

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<v Speaker 1>side project and something that we're very passionate about, but

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<v Speaker 1>for many other people this could be their major source

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<v Speaker 1>of income. And it's very unfair to receive negative reviews

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<v Speaker 1>simply because you dared to critique another podcast. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>not just Genevieve's review, Let's be honest. There was a

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<v Speaker 1>string of reviews that were sent at the same time

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<v Speaker 1>that were hateful in nature and it's just disappointing. Now

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<v Speaker 1>we should probably move on to this notion of copycatting

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<v Speaker 1>because some people have defended Genevieve's comments saying that our

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<v Speaker 1>podcasts and a number of other podcasts are a copy

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<v Speaker 1>of Shameless. So I mean, we, like many other podcasts,

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<v Speaker 1>we find inspiration from other content creators. Now it's important

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<v Speaker 1>to note, and we also spoke about this in Tuesday's episode,

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<v Speaker 1>that of course Shameless aren't the first type of podcasts

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<v Speaker 1>that have discussed pop culture and celebrity news, and they

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<v Speaker 1>won't be the last. And I don't think it's fair

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<v Speaker 1>just because one has received great love and respect that

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<v Speaker 1>we can't accept anyone else in that stage. You know what, though,

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<v Speaker 1>when people have compared us to Shameless, I've kind of gone, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a really great comparison. I mean, they're an amazing podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>and I do think that there is room for everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>There's so many amazing podcasts that I listen to that

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<v Speaker 1>touch on similar topics, and I think it's crazy to

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<v Speaker 1>say that, you know, just because you love one, there

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<v Speaker 1>can't be another pop culture podcast out there. One listener

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<v Speaker 1>raised a really great point, and she talked about the

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<v Speaker 1>internalized misogyny thrown at female hosts, and she wrote, I

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<v Speaker 1>do wonder, though, with all of the discussion about it

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<v Speaker 1>being a copy, are people just saying this because we

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<v Speaker 1>don't want too many female presenters using the podcast space.

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<v Speaker 1>Who cares if they're a similar format? I listened to

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<v Speaker 1>Afterword Drinks and Shameless and find the QUI similar. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think people tend to care if a male led

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<v Speaker 1>podcasts are replicas, And I think this is such a

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<v Speaker 1>valid point. Yeah, I do agree, Sophie, and there is

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<v Speaker 1>plenty of space for everyone I know. I am always

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<v Speaker 1>looking for podcasts to listen to, and let's hope we

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<v Speaker 1>can move on from this and it can be a

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<v Speaker 1>more positive place where women are supporting women. What is sad, though,

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<v Speaker 1>is this is kind of raise the issue of women

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<v Speaker 1>being pitted against each other, and I suppose it's what's

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<v Speaker 1>interesting is the fact that it's another woman doing it

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<v Speaker 1>to a group of women, if that makes sense. So

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<v Speaker 1>it is a difficult one, yeah, And I think that

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<v Speaker 1>women really can be successful together. I don't think we

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<v Speaker 1>need to be I don't think it should be that

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<v Speaker 1>there can only be one successful female podcast. I think

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<v Speaker 1>there's definitely room for everyone's voice to be heard. And

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<v Speaker 1>I really do hope that this makes Apple Podcasts change

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<v Speaker 1>the way it accepts reviews, because clearly, at the moment,

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<v Speaker 1>you can go in and write whatever name you want

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<v Speaker 1>and say whatever you want and continuously go in and

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<v Speaker 1>write messages and with no consequences, Yeah, and have no consequences.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think it's important. Perhaps people should be able

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<v Speaker 1>able to review with their phone number or real name attached,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think that would stop a lot of the

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<v Speaker 1>comments that negative comments that Shameless has been getting, and

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<v Speaker 1>hopefully the ones that we have been receiving, and in

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<v Speaker 1>no way do we want to incite people leaving negative

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<v Speaker 1>comments on anyone's walls. This is meant to be a

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<v Speaker 1>positive space. I think if you've got nothing constructive to

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<v Speaker 1>say to someone, just don't say it, then exactly right.

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<v Speaker 1>And I want to say that we love reading the reviews.

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<v Speaker 1>Even though we have received some constructive feedback, we would

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<v Speaker 1>definitely take it on board because at the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the day, we want to improve our podcast as best

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<v Speaker 1>as we possibly can, and we wanted to finish this

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<v Speaker 1>podcast on a high by mentioning some of our favorite

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<v Speaker 1>female led podcasts. And the first one I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about was Life Uncut by Brittany Hockley and Laura Byrne,

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<v Speaker 1>and it has become a favorite of mine and a

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<v Speaker 1>go to podcast I listened to when going on a walk.

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<v Speaker 1>It is fantastic. They cover all things, love, relationships, just

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<v Speaker 1>juicy stories. There's also Courtney Magnance podcast, which is the

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<v Speaker 1>Pop Culture Club and the podcast she runs with her

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<v Speaker 1>brother Sam, The Spin Life. Then of course there's Kickpod,

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<v Speaker 1>which we love. It's a lot by Abby Chapter. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>my god, that is my absolute favorite podcast at the moment,

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<v Speaker 1>I just love how raw and real Abby is. Then

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<v Speaker 1>of course I'm loving love, etc. And shameless. How can

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<v Speaker 1>you go past shameless? There's also Sarah's days podcast, The

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<v Speaker 1>Health Code that's of course with her boyfriend Kurt, and

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<v Speaker 1>also an OG favorite of mine is The Jillian Michaels Show.

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<v Speaker 1>And we'd also love to hear all of your podcast suggestions,

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<v Speaker 1>so if you could leave them in the comments below,

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<v Speaker 1>and if you've got a podcast that you've just started,

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<v Speaker 1>feel free to tag us because we would love to

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<v Speaker 1>hear your podcast and help you promote it in any

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<v Speaker 1>way we can. So thank you so much again for

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<v Speaker 1>listening to the show. We do hope you did enjoy it,

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<v Speaker 1>and we hope that you took it for what it

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<v Speaker 1>was meant to be. Thanks