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Speaker 1: I think I pronounced it wrong again, Chancey, Good morning

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie.

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Speaker 1: also the Deputy Chief Fister. Good morning to you, Jared,

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Speaker 1: Good morning Katy. And we've also got Robin Lamley, the

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Speaker 3: Good morning, good morning Katie.

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Speaker 1: I tell you wash you guys have given me no

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Speaker 1: shortage of things to talk about this week. It's been

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Speaker 1: kick off with the fact that changes to the Youth

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Speaker 1: Justice Legislation did indeed pass through Parliament overnight aimed at

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Speaker 1: adult offenses, removing detention as the last resort, so courts

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Speaker 1: You know, whether you like the changes or you don't,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Cartie, this is about community safety. I think no

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Speaker 1: Chancey, I know that you were certainly opposed to elements

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Speaker 2: Look, Katie, certainly we had concerns about it. We opposed

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Speaker 1: Chancy, it would be remiss of me to not say that.

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Speaker 1: Will you also promise that there was going to be

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Speaker 4: People have had enough. Kdie and you've hit the nail

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Speaker 4: So we're breaking that cycle. We're making sure if you

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Speaker 2: We had a whole week in parliament, Katie where the

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Speaker 3: Now, Cadie Chancy, you had your turn, didn't you, And

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Speaker 1: Ago.

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Speaker 3: I think that we have to be kind and I

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Speaker 3: And to some extent, I think you've just got to

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Speaker 2: Look, no one is absolutely Our job as opposition is

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Speaker 2: I want to make it really clear. Did we get

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Speaker 1: Do you know?

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Speaker 1: I reckon you guys would go a long way. I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's happening.

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Speaker 3: This issue is so close to everyone's hearts. They'll be intolerance.

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Speaker 4: Certainly well because for your crime the community, you've had enough.

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Speaker 1: Feeling So we'll talk a little more about that after.

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Speaker 2: But one thing, yeah, one thing is I just want

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Speaker 4: What we're going to do. We've been elected clearly to

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Speaker 2: You've also got to be really clear with what your

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Speaker 2: It's very clear getting bail. People are still getting diversion.

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Speaker 4: That's just not quite true. Every chief ministers get security

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Speaker 2: That is absolutely I never had community minister for bodyguards.

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Speaker 4: This is about community safety and you can put it

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Speaker 4: There's going to be a consequence to your action. The

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Speaker 1: Chancey, do you reckon that. Michael Gunner, Evil Laula and

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Speaker 2: Look, Michael Ganner did. If you'd let me finish. Michael

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Speaker 1: Escorting concerning then do you think that if they've assessed it,

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Speaker 2: I mean, well, I mean that the police, do you

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Speaker 3: I didn't even notice.

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Speaker 4: Yes, Katie, I'll talk about this. The G four s

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Speaker 4: That's going to be remained for our experience prison guards.

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Speaker 4: We're not privatizing any prisons. These G FOROS contractors will

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Speaker 4: So what we're trying to do is make sure the

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Speaker 1: Do we know how much it's going to cost?

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Speaker 4: Workforce is an issue. We want to make sure that

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Speaker 2: hearing from people in the police that the government continued

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Speaker 2: to use those watchhouses and they never actually stopped using them.

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Speaker 2: That's what we're hearing, and I think that you know, again,

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Speaker 2: when it comes to this, I think we really owe

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Speaker 2: it to hear it from the corrections offices around what

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Speaker 2: their experience is because this has been flagged as a

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Speaker 2: measure to help them.

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Speaker 4: Okay, we're also doing rolling recruiting in relation to employee

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Speaker 4: experienced prison officers in the antejumpment to working behind the wire.

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Speaker 4: I think we've had over two hundred this financial year

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Speaker 4: and we need to continue to recruit. So we're bolstering

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Speaker 4: the workforce being behind the wire with the prison officers.

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Speaker 4: We're doing the g forest outside the wire to do

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Speaker 4: the services running people around and making sure that people

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Speaker 4: get to court and get back to safely and help

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Speaker 4: the police if they're arresting someone to go and help

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Speaker 4: them to get those police officers back out there and

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Speaker 4: being proactive instead of have to always react.

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Speaker 1: Out there on the straight doing their job and.

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Speaker 4: Start locking up doing a bit of proactive policing which

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Speaker 4: I think a lot.

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Speaker 1: Of them see, Yeah, which everybody wants to see. Look,

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Speaker 1: we are going to have to take a really quick break.

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Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one O four nine's three sixty.

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Speaker 3: It is the week that was.

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Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one oh four nine's three

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Speaker 1: to sixty in the studio. Today we've got Robin Lamley,

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Speaker 1: We've got Jared Maylee and Chancey Paig. Now we have

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Speaker 1: just had a concerned correction officer getting contact asking in

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Speaker 1: regards to G four S, when they have enough new

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Speaker 1: trainee officers on board, will they get rid of G

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Speaker 1: four s all together? Lots of people are being trained up.

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Speaker 1: The worry is that G four s will become a

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Speaker 1: permanent fixture. Jared. Look, this is.

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Speaker 4: About making sure we've got enough workforce to do the

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Speaker 4: job across in Allthern territory. Maybe in the future right

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Speaker 4: down the track if we do have enough people, you know,

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Speaker 4: everything's on the table. But this is about making sure

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Speaker 4: that the workforce are safe, that the assets are safe,

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Speaker 4: the detainees are safe, and more importantly, that the community

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Speaker 4: is safe.

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Speaker 1: All right, I want to get into one of the

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Speaker 1: topics which made headlines throughout the week, and it was

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Speaker 1: the words of the Domestic Violence Prevention Minister Rob and

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Speaker 1: Carl in Parliament now. The minister said that while she

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Speaker 1: never expected a panacea when it came to the coronial

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Speaker 1: inquest into the deaths of four Aboriginal women whose lives

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Speaker 1: were lost to domestic violence, she found the long anticipated

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Speaker 1: report failed so dismally to hit the mark. She said

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Speaker 1: overall the recommendations made were uninspiring, with only a small

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Speaker 1: proportion of the recommendations made leading to the implementation of

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Speaker 1: a new and innovative approach or the continuation of what

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Speaker 1: had initially been a trial program. She said. Coroner Armitage's

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Speaker 1: approach has been protracted, resulting in lengthy reports delivered in

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Speaker 1: a manner seeming to lack the humility that one might

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Speaker 1: expect from an officer of the court, more focused on

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Speaker 1: the reveal rather than the result. Now, it was quite

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Speaker 1: like I guess it was quite a shock. I can't

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Speaker 1: remember the last time that I've seen a minister seek

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Speaker 1: out against you know, or sort of in this way

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Speaker 1: in relation to a coup to a coronial report. I

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Speaker 1: mean it's certainly like it has certainly sort of upraised

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Speaker 1: the question, I guess does the government have confidence in

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Speaker 1: the coroner.

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Speaker 4: Look this, I just want to start by saying domestic

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Speaker 4: violence is a scourge and it needs to be sorted out.

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Speaker 4: We cannot continue to have people dying at the hands

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Speaker 4: off their opposed or alleged loved ones. So we need

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Speaker 4: to do what we can to make sure that domestic

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Speaker 4: violence is stamped out. Look, we support what the Minister

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Speaker 4: Carl said. Something needs to change.

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Speaker 2: You can't go on.

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Speaker 4: We know that the Status Co hasn't been working in

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Speaker 4: relation to domestic violence and the current and how all

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Speaker 4: these coronal reports come out. So we're going to look

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Speaker 4: at looking at what can we do to make sure

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Speaker 4: that domestic violence is stamped out in the Northern Terrochy

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Speaker 4: and we'll do what it takes to do that.

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Speaker 1: Chancey, I know you were very strong on this throughout

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Speaker 1: the week in Parliament. You've got some pretty big concerns

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Speaker 1: from what i'd heard.

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Speaker 2: Look, Katie, I think firstly I'm hoping it was a

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Speaker 2: mistake by the Minister for the Prevention of Domestic and

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Speaker 2: Family Violence in those comments, because when you have a

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Speaker 2: coronial inquest, you're asking people to come forward and give

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Speaker 2: evidence and lived experience and for a number of the

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Speaker 2: families of those four women it was reliving trauma and

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Speaker 2: you can't rush that experience. You need to make sure

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Speaker 2: that they're able to have an informed hearing, that they

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Speaker 2: give the evidence and the testimony, and that the services

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Speaker 2: are there to ablely mark through that process. So I think, yeah, look,

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Speaker 2: it did take a bit of time, but it needed

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Speaker 2: to because there were four women in one coronial inquest

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Speaker 2: that needed to be listened to hear too. And those recommendations,

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Speaker 2: whilst they're being dismissed by the government, they park and

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Speaker 2: painted and put forward a positive road map to overcome domestic,

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Speaker 2: family and sexual violence in the Northern Territory and that's important.

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Speaker 2: But I think Katie, there are two questions that have

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Speaker 2: not been answered today, and that is to the Deputy

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Speaker 2: Chief Ministers, do you have confidence of the Northern Territories

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Speaker 2: Coroner and absolutely being very clear with territorians of the

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Speaker 2: recommendations that you are accepted. Are you going to have

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Speaker 2: budget lines to show where the investment is going.

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Speaker 1: I think they're fair questions. I certainly put one to

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Speaker 1: Robin yesterday when she was on the show. Robin Carl, Yes, certainly.

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Speaker 4: Look, we've committed this spending thirty six million dollars a

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Speaker 4: year every year, year on year, in relationship to stopping

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Speaker 4: domestic violence. So we are going to put our money

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Speaker 4: up and talk about that. So that money is committed,

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Speaker 4: it's locked in, and we're going to keep doing those programs.

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Speaker 4: But what we're not going to do, Katie, is have

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Speaker 4: programs that haven't been working previously and continue to fund

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Speaker 4: those programs. So we're going to make sure that we

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Speaker 4: look at all these programs to ensure that there's an outcome,

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Speaker 4: there's a KPI, we can measure it. And the main

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Speaker 4: goal is to stop domestic violence in the Northern Territory.

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Speaker 4: So we're going to work hard to do that, and

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Speaker 4: we make no apologies. We will do what it takes.

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Speaker 2: You can surely admit that those comments were a helpful victor.

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Speaker 4: And we're already doing twenty four or twenty five the recommendation.

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Speaker 4: They're already being done and they're already been worked on.

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Speaker 4: So we need to get that balance right of how

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Speaker 4: much money and time we spend on coronials to how

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Speaker 4: much time money we spend on actual programs.

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Speaker 1: That deal This is the thing I guess that we've

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Speaker 1: seen over the last couple of weeks is we had

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Speaker 1: a situation where the Chief Minister had come on this

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Speaker 1: show and said that you know that the way in

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Speaker 1: which coronials are undertaken needs to be looked at.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: That actually followed the coronial inquest into the death of

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Speaker 1: Kuman Jay Walker. Now further questions have been raised in

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Speaker 1: that space as well. Sky News reporting earlier this week

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Speaker 1: that former Northern Territory Police officer Zachary Rolf has lodged

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Speaker 1: a complaint accusing the coroner of buyers after she delivered

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Speaker 1: findings into the death of Kuman Gay Walker in front

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Speaker 1: of a banner of an activist group that called for

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Speaker 1: the cleared cop to face traditional Indigenous justice. I might

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Speaker 1: ask all of you, firstly, do you think it is

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Speaker 1: appropriate that those findings were handed down in front or

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Speaker 1: the banner of an activist group.

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Speaker 3: Of course not it was inappropriate. Look, the coroner is,

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Speaker 3: at the end of the day, a public servant, like

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Speaker 3: a lot of other people in the Northern Territory. She

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Speaker 3: is not beyond question or reproach, and everything she does is,

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Speaker 3: at the end of the day up for scrutiny. Now

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Speaker 3: I acknowledge what Chancey said, these inquiries are very sensitive,

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Speaker 3: but when they cost so much money and they go

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Speaker 3: on forever, it is reasonable to question the value and

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Speaker 3: the outcomes. I think that the Cooman J. Walker coronial

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Speaker 3: inquest was hideously long and hideously expensive, and I just

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Speaker 3: can't see any justification for that. There was no need

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Speaker 3: for it. So I think the coroner, the Coroner's office,

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Speaker 3: not the coroner personally, needs to be reviewed and reform

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Speaker 3: to make sure it does reflect the expectations of the community,

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Speaker 3: that how she operates, how the coroner operates meets the

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Speaker 3: pub test.

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Speaker 1: Chancey, do you think it was appropriate that those findings

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Speaker 1: were delivered in front of the activist banner?

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Speaker 2: Oh look, Katie, I think when the coroner got there,

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Speaker 2: she took her seat. People putting posters up in black

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Speaker 2: eyds everywhere. Look, in hindsight, could have that been done differently, probably,

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Speaker 2: but I think look what we're actually taking.

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Speaker 1: It does that really? It doesn't set the tone though

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Speaker 1: for something then you know, like being independent. I get

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Speaker 1: what you're saying that it may have gone up afterwards,

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Speaker 1: but then when you are there, you know, with a

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Speaker 1: live feed beaming out, you know, all over the nation,

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Speaker 1: it's it doesn't give that impression.

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Speaker 3: Its people's opinion of her. And she should be worried fair,

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Speaker 3: you know, it should be worried to be fair personally

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Speaker 3: that she should be associated with political banner sitting behind her.

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Speaker 3: I know when we go everywhere, Chancey, you and I

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Speaker 3: as politicians, you look around at your environment. If you

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Speaker 3: know you're going to be photographed, you choose who you're

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Speaker 3: going to be photographed with and the environment, and you

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Speaker 3: make sure that those things.

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Speaker 2: But I think these are questions that we should be

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Speaker 2: talking and working with the coroner's office. You can't control

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Speaker 2: things when you are sitting down delivering Yes, you can

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Speaker 2: find something. I don't know that they're being done.

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Speaker 3: She can choose where she sits and where she delivers

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Speaker 3: her findings. She is a very high ranking public servant

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Speaker 3: in the Northern Territory. She gets to choose everything she shows,

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Speaker 3: how long her inquest would take, who would be involved,

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Speaker 3: the cost of it, and she can certainly choose whether

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Speaker 3: or not she delivers something in front of a political

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Speaker 3: banner or not.

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Speaker 2: Well, Rolph has the right to appeal and that's his decision.

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Speaker 2: I think what we are seeing here, though, Katie, and

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Speaker 2: we need to be very careful is when governments come

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Speaker 2: out and make comments that it's not done in a

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Speaker 2: way that seems to discredit the role or the functions

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Speaker 2: of the coroner. The coroner is a judicial officer, and

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Speaker 2: you know, we've had concerns this week by the Criminal

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Speaker 2: Lawyers Association, the Bar Association, and the AMA all saying

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Speaker 2: bit's be very careful around the language that is used

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Speaker 2: to discredit the role and the functions of the coroner.

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Speaker 2: Now I'm not saying that's either or. I'm saying we

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Speaker 2: just all need to be mindful that when we are

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Speaker 2: talking about it, we're not underminding and we're not overstepping

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Speaker 2: the separation of power.

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Speaker 3: Look what happened to Ken Fleming when he made that statement,

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Speaker 3: when after common Jay Walker was killed, he was absolutely

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Speaker 3: hauled over the coals for coming out and talking about

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Speaker 3: black lives matter. So it's a similar scenario. You have

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Speaker 3: to be careful of the political context in which you

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Speaker 3: deliver these things when you're holding such a high judicial

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Speaker 3: I'll go back to.

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Speaker 2: You, Jared.

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Speaker 1: I mean, does an Northern Territory government have confidence in

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Speaker 1: the coroner. You've got a situation where, you know where

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Speaker 1: we've obviously seen and heard the different commentary over the

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Speaker 1: last couple of weeks. I mean, the last thing anybody

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Speaker 1: wants is for a situation where we have got a

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Speaker 1: coroner sitting in an incredibly important role if the government's

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Speaker 1: not going to be listening to her.

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Speaker 4: Look, we are listening to her recommendations and we take

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Speaker 4: all her recommendation seriously. But we're already doing some of

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Speaker 4: those recommendations. We think we're doing twenty four of them.

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Speaker 4: This is about I agree with Robin said what she

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Speaker 4: did was inappropriate.

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Speaker 2: In my view.

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Speaker 4: This she's got to court. She could have done it

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Speaker 4: in there. She could have controlled the situation. This is

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Speaker 4: a very topical situation and she would have known. I've

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Speaker 4: met her, I've been in court with her. She's a

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Speaker 4: very very smart lady. She would have known that this

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Speaker 4: could have happened. She should have taken control.

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Speaker 2: Of her to her about that.

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Speaker 4: So this the government is, it's all about making sure

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Speaker 4: we get that balance right because we represent the community

671
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Speaker 4: and what the community think is important to me is

672
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Speaker 4: important to everyone here, is important to all politicians, and

673
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Speaker 4: we need to ensure that the community have their say

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Speaker 4: and this is about making sure they get that balance right.

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Speaker 4: That we do have those confidence in our jug and

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Speaker 4: I do have confidence in Parliament, and we need to

677
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Speaker 4: make sure that we get that step and that.

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Speaker 3: Those people are neutral, completely and utterly politically neutral.

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Speaker 2: So you're talking talf Jared and talking about all of this.

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Speaker 2: Has the Northern Territory Government asked to meet with the

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Speaker 2: coroner to talk about those circumstances.

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Speaker 4: I know that the Attorney General meets with the court regularly,

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Speaker 4: and I don't know that she meets with the Chief

684
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Speaker 4: Judge and she does the job and the Journey General

685
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Speaker 4: is very good at that and she talks to on

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Speaker 4: a regular basis.

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Speaker 2: That's that's all fluff. Direct question. Do you have confidence

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Speaker 2: in the coroner and have you spoken to her around

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Speaker 2: the concerns you've raised today.

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Speaker 4: I haven't spoken to it personally, but I know the

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Speaker 4: Journey General has spoken to the court about this. She

692
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Speaker 4: speaks on a regular basis. We need to get the

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Speaker 4: balance right.

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Speaker 1: This is about does she have the confidence of the government.

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Speaker 4: The Aaron's Office certainly has the confidence. So she she

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Speaker 4: does a good job. She's a very smart lady. We

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Speaker 4: know that there's been an appeal Lodge. We need to

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Speaker 4: let that play out na see what the result is.

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Speaker 1: All Right, we're going to have to take a very

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Speaker 1: quick break. You are listening to Mix one oh four

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Speaker 1: nine's three sixty. It is the week that was. Well,

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Speaker 1: you are listening to the week that was and if

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Speaker 1: you've just joined us in the studio Robin Lamley, Jared

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Speaker 1: Mayley and Chancey Paik. Now, one of the topics that

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Speaker 1: really got people going yesterday was a question that was

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Speaker 1: asked by the Independent Member for Johnston throughout Parliament this

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Speaker 1: week about the flyover on Territory Day. Now. It prompted

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Speaker 1: the Senior Australian of the Year for the Northern Territory

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Speaker 1: to call in and say that he was gobsmacked that

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Speaker 1: an MLA had raised concerns about defense flyovers in the

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Speaker 1: Northern Territory Parliament. Now Justine Davis was asking a question

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Speaker 1: about the fighter jet flyover on Territory Day, saying that

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Speaker 1: it had been raised with her that it had caused

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Speaker 1: distress to many people and asked who or whether the

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Speaker 1: Northern Territory or Commonwealth government foot the bill, and also

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Speaker 1: pointed to a petition given to NT major events calling

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Speaker 1: for a rethink or a removal of flyovers now. Michael

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Speaker 1: Foley OAM called through defended the Defense Force and its activities,

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Speaker 1: telling well, telling us people who don't like it, leave

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Speaker 1: the Northern Territory and do you know what that's the

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Speaker 1: sentiment small yesterday morning on the text line Katie.

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Speaker 4: The sound of a jet flying over to be is

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Speaker 4: a sound of freedom. And I think that many people

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Speaker 4: would say that, and people who come from overseas they

725
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Speaker 4: they're here because we're a free country. And that's what

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Speaker 4: those jets do. And the Defense Force are in here

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Speaker 4: and they've been in the Northern Churchy for a long

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Speaker 4: time and I personally fully support them. I know the

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Speaker 4: government fully supports them. Lots of people in the community

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Speaker 4: support that and it's a great spectacle. I take my

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Speaker 4: children thew and the jets fly over. They're noisy, but

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Speaker 4: this is about freedom, This is about defending the country,

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Speaker 4: and it's just a discription.

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Speaker 1: Netown. We're a defense town, you know. Fundamentally, I think

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Speaker 1: we've got five thousand members of the Defense Force current serving.

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Speaker 1: I think we've got about five thousand that have served

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Speaker 1: and still live here. Then we've got all of those families,

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Speaker 1: and look, I found it quite sort of ironic. Then

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Speaker 1: yesterday that I had also had a member of the

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Speaker 1: Defense Force coming in to speak about Exercise Talisman Saber,

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Speaker 1: and the pride in his voice as he spoke about

742
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Speaker 1: that exercise, and the pride when he was telling us

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Speaker 1: about the open day that's going to be happening at

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Speaker 1: Robertson Barracks, and you know how much they love the

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Speaker 1: community being able to get out there and to be

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Speaker 1: able to get a closer look at the work they do.

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Speaker 1: You know, it just kind of reminded me how lucky

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Speaker 1: we are to be Australians and how lucky we are

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Speaker 1: to live in the Northern Territory.

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Speaker 3: I don't think Justine really read the room very well,

751
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Speaker 3: did she. I mean, she said that she'd been approached

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Speaker 3: by some constituents who were triggered by the sound of

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Speaker 3: far of play in the sky across Darwin. But I

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Speaker 3: think she failed to look at the broader picture, and

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Speaker 3: that is you're right, Katie, this is a defense town

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Speaker 3: and it's something that we value and it brings a

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Speaker 3: lot of economic prosperity to the Northern Territory, and as

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Speaker 3: Jared said, for some people, it's a sign of freedom

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Speaker 3: and safety and security and nationalism.

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Speaker 2: Really, I think, look, Katie, I'm not going to pretend

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Speaker 2: to be an expert on this. I'm from Alice Free.

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Speaker 2: We don't have the flyover, so I had to kind

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Speaker 2: of get across what it was. And I think acknowledging

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Speaker 2: that as members of Parliament, people come to you and

765
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Speaker 2: ask questions, and there's a few forums to ask those questions.

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Speaker 2: There's question time, but as a member we can put

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Speaker 2: question written questions on notice as well if we think

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Speaker 2: that it could be a divisive or it could be

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Speaker 2: seen as not supporting a particular cohort. So I think

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Speaker 2: that's something that may be the Member for Johnson might

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Speaker 2: consider in the future. I think, you know, when we

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Speaker 2: talk about our defense community here in Darwin, it is

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Speaker 2: a really big industry. It's an important community and it's

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Speaker 2: only going to grow as our defense presence in the

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Speaker 2: Indo Pacific grows. I mean, let's be clear, the Indo

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Speaker 2: Pacific's the fastest growing democratic area in the world. At

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Speaker 2: the moment, and that is the next area of strategic

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Speaker 2: positioning that the Australian Defense Forces is looking at to

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Speaker 2: make sure that we are protecting our borders long I.

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Speaker 4: Think it's an absolute disgrace that she questions what the

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Speaker 4: defense do here in allthern terrectory in Australia. They do

782
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Speaker 4: give us freedom, they give us a defense force. They

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Speaker 4: give us economic benefit. They had their families here, they

784
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Speaker 4: involved in sport, they sponsored all sorts of things. I

785
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Speaker 4: was at the VA Supercars when the jet flow over there.

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Speaker 4: It's an amazing We're very, very luve there to keep

787
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Speaker 4: us safe. They do a great job.

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Speaker 2: I'm just to be Claire Joe. I'm I'm acknowledging that

789
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Speaker 2: they are very important, and I think that this is

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Speaker 2: certainly something that we all know and all have loved

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Speaker 2: ones who serve and they do provide, you know, members

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Speaker 2: of our community. There's economic development opportunities there. I think that,

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Speaker 2: you know, I again, this is foreign for me, so

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Speaker 2: I'm going to just not really get involved until I'm

795
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Speaker 2: more acutely across the area. But I think, I mean,

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Speaker 2: I don't know, Jared and Robin is there. Do they

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Speaker 2: notify people that it's happening.

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Speaker 4: People go there specifically to see it.

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Speaker 2: Right if you can.

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Speaker 3: Certainly that's right.

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Speaker 1: But the vibe that I got, certainly was from the

802
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Speaker 1: question that Justine had asked, is that there were maybe

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Speaker 1: new Australians that it just you know, like it was

804
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Speaker 1: she was out of citizenship ceremony and somebody had asked,

805
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Speaker 1: And I totally understand that. But I feel like that's

806
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Speaker 1: an opportunity to educate, you know, those New Australians and

807
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Speaker 1: those people that are that are so fortunate to come

808
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Speaker 1: and live here in Australia and be part of our

809
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Speaker 1: wonderful country. You know, of our defense presence and the

810
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Speaker 1: work that they do here in the Northern Territory.

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Speaker 4: You want to make it very clear the government absolutely

812
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Speaker 4: support and back in the defense they do.

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Speaker 2: Hey one question, the Opposition agrees.

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Speaker 3: Look at Alice Springs.

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Speaker 1: We're going to take a really quick break. You are

816
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Speaker 1: listening to Mix one O four nine's three sixtyties the

817
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Speaker 1: week that was. You are listening to Mix one oh

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Speaker 1: four nines three sixties the week that was. Now before

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Speaker 1: we wrap up for the morning, I do just want

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Speaker 1: to also mention the fact that earlier in the week

821
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Speaker 1: we spoke to the Professional Pharmacists Australia. Members are threatening

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Speaker 1: industrial action if major pharmacist vacancy rates, which potentially undermine

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Speaker 1: patient welfare and safety, are not urgently addressed. Now this

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Speaker 1: is across the Royal Darwin Hospital, Alice Springs Hospital, they're

825
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Speaker 1: currently operating with thirty percent vacancy rates. Catherine we were

826
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Speaker 1: told earlier this week facing potential closure of its pharmacy

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Speaker 1: department in a few months time if they are unable

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Speaker 1: to find qualified candidates despite ongoing attempts at recruitment. Now,

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Speaker 1: I know that Labour asked about this year yesterday in Parliament.

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Speaker 1: We'd also of course spoken to the Professional Pharmacists earlier

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Speaker 1: in the week and the Health Minister provided a response

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Speaker 1: saying that there is an EBA negotiation underway at the

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Speaker 1: moment and that you know the industrial action they do

834
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Speaker 1: have contingencies in place. I mean the fact is here though,

835
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Speaker 1: we are talking about something which is very much needed

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Speaker 1: within our hospitals. I know, in the likes of Alice

837
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Speaker 1: Springs and Catherine and here in Darwin. But the last

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Speaker 1: thing you want is a winding back of any health services.

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Speaker 3: Steve responded last night and said they're onto it. I

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Speaker 3: don't know what more.

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Speaker 4: I think he said that like other jurisdictions, we've got

842
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Speaker 4: a skill shortage and that's in this mechanic all right

843
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Speaker 4: right across and they are onto it, they're aware of it.

844
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Speaker 4: They've got a short even long term point.

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Speaker 1: Thomass had told us it's more a situation that they're

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Speaker 1: not getting paid as much. Living here in the Northern

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Speaker 1: Territory is what they do in other states, which you

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Speaker 1: thank goodness, may how are we going to entice you know,

849
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Speaker 1: people to move to the Northern Territory.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well look that should be front and center. A

851
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Speaker 2: part of those EBA negotiations is having to recognize that

852
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Speaker 2: we do I mean, we pay now through the EBAs,

853
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 2: we pay corrections officers really good awards, we pay teachers

854
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Speaker 2: really good and police are going through another EBA to

855
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Speaker 2: recognize that we need to do that with pharmacists. I

856
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Speaker 2: think what is concerning, though, Katie, is you can't use

857
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Speaker 2: an EBA to not meet with the Australian pharmacists Like

858
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Speaker 2: they've asked to meet with the minister and they haven't

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Speaker 2: had a response or a welcomed opportunity to meet with

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Speaker 2: him yet. I think that raises some concerns because they

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Speaker 2: might actually be kind to come to the table with solutions.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well look hopefully they do get that meeting. We're

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Speaker 1: going to have to wrap up. That is it for

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Speaker 1: us this morning. It's been a very busy morning. Long

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Speaker 1: weekend picnic day on Monday. I hope you all have

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Speaker 1: a lovely and safe weekend. Chancey Paig, thank.

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Speaker 2: You so much for your time, Thank you, Katie. And

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Speaker 2: just before I jump off, it is Australian Principles Day today,

869
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Speaker 2: so shout out to all of the amazing principles across territory.

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Speaker 2: And next week is basically the Top Ends Art week,

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Speaker 2: so daff Fashion Awards you the Naziers. Great time to

872
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Speaker 2: be in the top Ends.

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Speaker 1: So much happening, Jered Mayleie, thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: your time this morning.

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Speaker 4: Thank you Katie. And I'm going to say one word freedom.

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Speaker 3: Ye I'm going to indulge myself here. It is my

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Speaker 3: daughter's twenty fifth birthday on Monday, Alice Jane Lamley, happy

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Speaker 3: twenty Happy, so much We're.

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Speaker 1: Coming round for a party. Good on you. Thank you

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Speaker 1: all so much for your time this morning. You are

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Speaker 1: listening to Mix one O four nine's three point sixty.

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Speaker 3: That was the week, that was