Speaker 1: Sometimes the most painfully normal looking people live the most
Speaker 1: interesting lives. Personally, I don't know what that's like, as
Speaker 1: I'm both absolutely stunning and incredibly interesting. But I am
Speaker 1: generously giving my time to these regular people so I
Speaker 1: can uncover what interesting part of them they are concealing
Speaker 1: from the world. It might be a spooky hobby or skill,
Speaker 1: or maybe it's a naughty side hustle or job. Whatever
Speaker 1: it is, I will uncover it. Welcome to conceal it
Speaker 1: with me, Art Simone, I've a feeling. Our guest is here,
Speaker 1: roll the tape. Hi.
Speaker 2: My name is Jess. I live in Melbourne. I am
Speaker 2: thirty four years old. I enjoy walking my dogs, drinking
Speaker 2: Chai and singing karaoke. I worked as an executive assistant
Speaker 2: for many years, including for Peter Alexander, but now I
Speaker 2: found another way to help people use in my own
Speaker 2: set of skills, and that is what I'm concealing today.
Speaker 1: All right, Hello, how are you good? Welcome to the studios,
Speaker 1: and cozy you're not. It's like a sheerbty orangey cozy jumper.
Speaker 1: But I really need to talk about your bling. I
Speaker 1: was distracted the whole time you were speaking at your
Speaker 1: bling on those fingers. You've got sparklier rings than a
Speaker 1: drag queen. I know. Oh, show me, show me both hands.
Speaker 3: I'm all about the sparkle.
Speaker 1: They're gorgeous.
Speaker 3: Oh so much?
Speaker 1: Do you know? So rich bitch? I'm writing, rich bitch?
Speaker 1: Got that? There dogs? How many dogs you got? It
Speaker 1: was multiple?
Speaker 3: It sounded like, I know, I've got two dogs to.
Speaker 1: A tape of I'm not a dog person, but I'm
Speaker 1: pretending is that? Can you tell? What? What? What type
Speaker 1: of dog is it?
Speaker 3: We have got to west Thiland Terry a cross.
Speaker 1: Little white ones. Now, you said you were an E
Speaker 1: A yes, e A for p A Yeah.
Speaker 2: What's an E executive assistant?
Speaker 1: That's very fancy title.
Speaker 3: I know it is.
Speaker 1: What is it?
Speaker 3: A fancy job?
Speaker 1: What is that? What is it?
Speaker 3: It's basically being everyone's everything.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. So when you say Peter Alexander, do
Speaker 1: you mean the person? Yeah? The man think you at
Speaker 1: the shop? I was like, oh so you were like,
Speaker 1: you know, we're stuck in the candles and stuff, aren't
Speaker 1: for the real deal? What am going to do is
Speaker 1: asking three questions, and from the answers to those three questions,
Speaker 1: I have to try and work out what it is
Speaker 1: you're concealing from me today. Are you ready?
Speaker 3: I'm ready?
Speaker 1: Okay, all right. First question is when are you at
Speaker 1: your most.
Speaker 2: Relaxed when I'm getting a massage, but only for the
Speaker 2: first couple of minutes, and then things start to get
Speaker 2: a bit hectic.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, a message, are right? So you like
Speaker 1: the massage, but then you don't hot and cold?
Speaker 3: Hot and cold?
Speaker 1: Okay. I don't like being touched. So I've only ever
Speaker 1: had one massage in my life. Really yeah, but it
Speaker 1: was that alabachet by a student, so that's probably why
Speaker 1: I think that's put me off it for life.
Speaker 3: You didn't try again?
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I've just got one of those balls
Speaker 1: and I roll away hands on the back.
Speaker 3: That works.
Speaker 1: Okay, So most relax and massage okay, all right. Question
Speaker 1: number two, how do you like your steak cooked?
Speaker 3: Well? I don't actually eat meat, okay.
Speaker 2: But if I did, probably medium misteak.
Speaker 1: All right, but don't eat steak, but if you had to. Okay,
Speaker 1: this is all over the shop, all right. The last
Speaker 1: question for you is what type of music are you into?
Speaker 3: Soul music?
Speaker 1: So okay, all right, let me work out with what
Speaker 1: you've presented me here with. Okay, e for pa sausage,
Speaker 1: dog chai bling rich bitch, massage, medium, steak, don't eat meat,
Speaker 1: soul music.
Speaker 2: Right, okay, right, this is all over the shop.
Speaker 1: It's just right in front of me. I can see it.
Speaker 1: It's really yeah. Massage. Oh oh oh, I think I've
Speaker 1: worked out the clues. I think I've worked it out.
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is in specific SPA No,
Speaker 1: because I get it because your mashage first couple of minutes,
Speaker 1: but then because they're touching you, the touch you feely
Speaker 1: can't do that medium. You're in the medium world as
Speaker 1: in a medium and then also so well old souls,
Speaker 1: dead people. Okay, know what the title? Are you an
Speaker 1: old sole medium, massage searcher, medium, therapist person? Do you
Speaker 1: think the medium psychic objects people things?
Speaker 3: What's it called?
Speaker 2: I am a psychic medium, which means I communicate with
Speaker 2: people that have passed over to the other side. A medium.
Speaker 1: Oh, I think I think I got it. I didn't
Speaker 1: know that. But you don't think you'd be called a
Speaker 1: soul search medium, massage therapist.
Speaker 3: No, I don't think so, but it's it's new.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm going to take that as a win. I
Speaker 1: think I got that pretty done right today. Now I'm
Speaker 1: a bit worried she ready my thoughts right now, she'd
Speaker 1: know that when she said medium, I was just thinking
Speaker 1: of large. All right, Jess, you are a psychic medium,
Speaker 1: and I'm very excited, but I feel like there's a
Speaker 1: difference between the two. Can you explain to me the
Speaker 1: difference between a psychic and a medium.
Speaker 2: Yes, So a psychic is someone who taps into you
Speaker 2: and your energy and gives your guidance on the future,
Speaker 2: what's going on in your life right now, and a
Speaker 2: medium is somebody who connects with the other side. So
Speaker 2: a psychic medium kind of does a bit of both.
Speaker 2: So like with the dead, with the dead people, with
Speaker 2: the dead.
Speaker 1: People, what side of it do you like the most?
Speaker 3: The medium?
Speaker 2: Shit, yeah, I love connecting with all the dead people.
Speaker 1: Stop stop it all right? Okay, when did you first
Speaker 1: realize you had this? Do you call it a gift? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I would call it a gift.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I've always have had this really strong like intuition. I've
Speaker 2: always been aware of, I guess the other side. I
Speaker 2: just never really knew what to do with that. I
Speaker 2: just really strong got instinct, like I would just kind
Speaker 2: of know things before it would happen. And it wasn't
Speaker 2: until I was in my twenties that I decided, Hey,
Speaker 2: I'm going to do something about this. Because I was
Speaker 2: obsessed with psychic mediums. I would go to mind, body,
Speaker 2: soul festivals and see psychic mediums myself, and one lady
Speaker 2: said to me, Jess, I don't know why you're here.
Speaker 2: You should be able to do this, and I was like, oh, well,
Speaker 2: how kind of thing. It took me a couple of
Speaker 2: years to sort of figure it out that, Yeah, I
Speaker 2: explored it.
Speaker 1: So how do you learn to kind of hone that
Speaker 1: skill or tap into that a bit more rather than
Speaker 1: just a feeling, you know?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I did lots of meditation classes, That's what
Speaker 2: I started doing, and then I took like psychic mediumship
Speaker 2: classes kind of like school. So I went and did that,
Speaker 2: and then I was mentored for a few years. I
Speaker 2: read for free for anyone who would let me, and yeah,
Speaker 2: I just ended up opening my business and throwing caution
Speaker 2: to the wind, and.
Speaker 3: Here I am.
Speaker 1: How do you find a place where you can study,
Speaker 1: you know, being a psychic medium? How do you tap
Speaker 1: into all these do you have to like imagine them
Speaker 1: and you go looking for you put an advert to
Speaker 1: like a mental note out and just hello, looking for
Speaker 1: someone to help me with this or you know, how
Speaker 1: do you know these people are legit or you can
Speaker 1: trust them or I guess is it all just down
Speaker 1: to you and how your your gutter is feeling you
Speaker 1: can tell the you know, swindle as m Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, the way that I figured out was I actually
Speaker 2: saw this particular psychic medium myself, so she read for
Speaker 2: me and it was spot on, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: I really like the way that you work.
Speaker 3: I'm like into that.
Speaker 2: So I ended up looking her up and then I
Speaker 2: saw that she did courses and she's actually a teacher,
Speaker 2: like she teaches like school kids and stuff.
Speaker 3: So I was like, you'd be so good you know
Speaker 3: how to teach how to teach kids? Like sure you
Speaker 3: know how to teach me?
Speaker 1: Yea, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: She was just awesome and she'd learned from some of
Speaker 2: the best like psychic mediums like that.
Speaker 3: There is like all around the world. They do a lot.
Speaker 2: Actually in the UK, there's a lot of really great
Speaker 2: people over there. But the way that I think that
Speaker 2: you need to find someone is if you're in the
Speaker 2: spiritual community and you start looking up psychic mediums and
Speaker 2: just go and see them yourself, because if they're legit
Speaker 2: to you, then you're going to trust them and then
Speaker 2: you're going to want them to teach you what.
Speaker 1: They Where do you learn it? Do you go to
Speaker 1: a castle or do you have ones?
Speaker 3: Crystal no, no, crystal balls.
Speaker 2: Well, the first time that I went, I actually went
Speaker 2: to a group session, so I dragged my friend along.
Speaker 2: I was like, We're going to this to see what happens,
Speaker 2: and she's like, oh shit.
Speaker 1: So we got in there. Actually we got.
Speaker 2: There and they were doing like this meditation and she's like,
Speaker 2: this is how we connect to the other side and
Speaker 2: then you got paired up, like there was just throw
Speaker 2: you else.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
Speaker 3: She was with a total stranger and they're like, now
Speaker 3: close your eyes.
Speaker 2: And tell us what you've And this is my first
Speaker 2: time channeling, so I like closed my eyes and I
Speaker 2: started to sense and feel all this stuff and everything
Speaker 2: I said to this woman it was her dad that.
Speaker 3: Came through was just spot on.
Speaker 2: And then afterwards I looked at my friend and I'm like,
Speaker 2: how did you go?
Speaker 3: And she's like, I felt nothing.
Speaker 2: I saw these lots of color and all this stuff,
Speaker 2: and she's like the fat it was just nothing.
Speaker 1: I felt hungry, I felt tired, and from anyone else,
Speaker 1: She's like, I got nothing.
Speaker 2: But literally the two days afterwards we were all. We
Speaker 2: were both on a high. It was the best energy ever.
Speaker 2: Just to be in the room was so cool. But
Speaker 2: I actually learned during COVID, so I was all online.
Speaker 2: So it was zoom classes and no castles, just like, straight.
Speaker 1: To it set your zoom background is the castle if
Speaker 1: you felt like it.
Speaker 3: Oh I could have if onally I had have known
Speaker 3: back there.
Speaker 1: Oh no, that's okay, that's okay. So how do they
Speaker 1: test you at a medium school? Do they do? They
Speaker 1: go like, well, we know that hander over there has
Speaker 1: got a grandma and her name's Nancy. I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: they just don't get tested.
Speaker 2: No, well sort of, you get like, well, I used
Speaker 2: to record my readings, so I would record it and
Speaker 2: I would send it to my mentor.
Speaker 3: And then she'd rip it apart. She's like, that could
Speaker 3: have been better. That could have been better.
Speaker 2: But I chose someone who is really blunt because I'm like,
Speaker 2: I just like people to just tell me how it
Speaker 2: is like, don't fluff it up and say, oh that
Speaker 2: was great if it was really no good. So she
Speaker 2: was really direct with me, and it was just it
Speaker 2: was good, exactly what I needed.
Speaker 1: I guess you're a vessel of delivery to whoever it
Speaker 1: may be, or whether you like it or not. How
Speaker 1: does it? How do these things present themselves to you?
Speaker 1: Do you hear something, do you see something, do you
Speaker 1: feel something? Or probably all of them?
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much all of that. So I'm very clairvoyant,
Speaker 2: so I see first. So I'll get like flashes of
Speaker 2: images in my head.
Speaker 3: It's a lot tomes, but yeah, I get flashes of images.
Speaker 2: I'll see people that I know, So it's interesting how
Speaker 2: spirit works. Sometimes they'll show me like people that I
Speaker 2: know who have passed, and then I go, oh, either
Speaker 2: this person i'm channelings pass the same way as them,
Speaker 2: or they're like them. So it's sort of like it's
Speaker 2: like you're putting together a puzzle and you don't really
Speaker 2: understand what it all is about, and then that's why
Speaker 2: you obviously need the person to fill in the blanks.
Speaker 3: It's like we're working.
Speaker 2: Together to like build this puzzle. So it's really fascinating,
Speaker 2: but yeah, I hear it.
Speaker 3: I feel I feel a lot like a lot.
Speaker 2: Of the emotion comes through from the person on the
Speaker 2: other side and the person in front of me, and
Speaker 2: it's really fascinating.
Speaker 1: Does that mean you've not even able to hone it
Speaker 1: all a little a lot better? Can you choose when
Speaker 1: you tap into this or is it still coming at
Speaker 1: you whether you like it or not. Oh?
Speaker 3: I definitely can turn it on and off.
Speaker 2: Now I don't want to be walking around seeing all
Speaker 2: the people of everyone like it's just not it's not good.
Speaker 2: So I can definitely like it's almost like opening a
Speaker 2: door and then closing the door.
Speaker 3: That's what I visualize when I'm communicating.
Speaker 1: With spirit out of office email kind of Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's where the massage just gets a bit tricky
Speaker 2: because I'm in that meditative state and spirits like She's.
Speaker 1: We're maybe relaxed. Maybe that's why I don't like massages.
Speaker 2: Maybe the spirits are going to come to you.
Speaker 1: The only spirit I'm in contact with is vodka. But
Speaker 1: that's but you know, I can hope, I can hope. Well,
Speaker 1: a lot of people say that things like gut instinct.
Speaker 1: We all have it, and it is all derived from
Speaker 1: this way that we can't explain of reacting to things
Speaker 1: or seeing things or feeling things. But I feel like
Speaker 1: people like you just have that better honed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly how I would describe it. And this
Speaker 2: is why I don't buy into I'm a chosen one.
Speaker 2: Like really, anyone could do this. It's just a matter
Speaker 2: of whether you're open to it and how far you're
Speaker 2: willing to sort of pursue it.
Speaker 1: What type of person comes to you, Like, what do
Speaker 1: they want?
Speaker 2: I want lots of people, but I think that they're
Speaker 2: mostly coming to either get closure or heal from something,
Speaker 2: or get guidance about their life right now. A lot
Speaker 2: of people are stuck and that's why they come. It's
Speaker 2: sort of like seeing a therapist. It's like I'm at
Speaker 2: this certain point in my life where i need guidance,
Speaker 2: I need help. I need just some something to believe
Speaker 2: in or some hope that there's something better that's coming
Speaker 2: for me. So my readings are all about like giving
Speaker 2: people positivity and hope, and it's I don't buy into
Speaker 2: all that fear based stuff, like I don't like any
Speaker 2: of that.
Speaker 3: I'm more just let's look at the future and look
Speaker 3: at the good stuff.
Speaker 1: I think that scares a lot of people as well. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, They're like, you're going to tell me something bad
Speaker 2: and I'm like, no.
Speaker 3: No, I'm not. It's okay. So a lot of people are.
Speaker 2: They're like other mediums can be very fear based, where
Speaker 2: it's like I'm a chosen one and I know things
Speaker 2: and I can read your mind and all that.
Speaker 3: Not in any of.
Speaker 1: That, that's not for me. So you said, you always,
Speaker 1: you know, like delivering your positive things. But it's anything
Speaker 1: like strange or scary happened to you, like this, is
Speaker 1: there anything like I don't know you nobody. You're like,
Speaker 1: I don't like that. Not for me.
Speaker 2: Oh well, my sister haunted us when she passed away,
Speaker 2: so that was next level.
Speaker 1: Do you think it was a prank.
Speaker 3: I thought it was a.
Speaker 1: Bit of both.
Speaker 3: It was a bit of her being a bit mental.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a lot like she would open our
Speaker 2: door at night, like swing open, and we had like
Speaker 2: three dead locks on it. And so this is like
Speaker 2: five o'clock in the morning. So I ran out and
Speaker 2: I saw the door fly open. I was like whatever,
Speaker 2: so I shut it. Then I went you just didn't
Speaker 2: want used to.
Speaker 1: Like, what is going on?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, to miss the door, but you think
Speaker 2: that freaked me out was the next thing. So then
Speaker 2: I went back to the bedroom and then the sense
Speaker 2: of light went off outside out the front and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 2: that's weird because that's there's someone out there. So I
Speaker 2: looked through like the blind and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: my car started unlocking and locking itself, like multiple times,
Speaker 2: and I was like, okay, now I'm scared.
Speaker 1: I don't like that.
Speaker 3: I don't like that either. So and she did weird things.
Speaker 2: She like got you know the exercise balls you're talking
Speaker 2: about before, the balls that you roll on like to
Speaker 2: massage yourself. I have one of those in my wardrobe,
Speaker 2: but my wardrobe closes like you've got the door that
Speaker 2: closes over it, so she would have had to open
Speaker 2: my wardrobe get the ball. And she dropped it on
Speaker 2: my wife's face while we were sleeping. It was in
Speaker 2: the bed with us, the physical ball and my wife's like,
Speaker 2: I saw her face. I opened my eyes because I
Speaker 2: felt something and I saw her with the ball over
Speaker 2: my face and dropped it.
Speaker 1: I don't know about that.
Speaker 3: Seeing it's next level.
Speaker 1: So then how do you tell your sister fuck off.
Speaker 3: I basically did an exorcism of.
Speaker 2: Literally, yes, I had to sage plisanto. So I now
Speaker 2: use a lot of limes. So limes are really great
Speaker 2: for like clearing negative fear based energies and dark spirits
Speaker 2: and stuff. So if you cut a lime in half
Speaker 2: and put it in your bedroom, you'll have sound dreams.
Speaker 3: It's it's working.
Speaker 1: Does that have to be a real lime? It can
Speaker 1: be lime scented things like a candle, it can.
Speaker 3: Be lime scented.
Speaker 1: I love candy, Yes, I love that. What are some
Speaker 1: of the more positive things that being in this field
Speaker 1: is gifted you the opportunity to do? Or you know
Speaker 1: what I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I did not realize that as a psychic
Speaker 2: medium that you can connect with people who are still
Speaker 2: living but are living with dementia or a nonverbal which
Speaker 2: is the first time it happened to me, I was like,
Speaker 2: hang on, this can't be a thing. And when I
Speaker 2: was exploring it more and more and it started happening
Speaker 2: to me more often, I'm like, it's real. Like these
Speaker 2: people who we look out and we're like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: they're tortured, like they're stuck in this body and they
Speaker 2: must be really suffering. They're actually not because their minds
Speaker 2: are wandering to the other side and back, so they're
Speaker 2: seeing loved ones. They're coming through to me to give
Speaker 2: messages that they know what's going on. Like I had
Speaker 2: this grandmother come through for her granddaughter, who was obviously
Speaker 2: my client, and she said some funny stuff.
Speaker 3: She's like, all I want is a.
Speaker 2: Damn biscuit and I want my pillow back.
Speaker 3: And my wife was like, oh my god.
Speaker 2: When we went when we put her into the home,
Speaker 2: she couldn't have her pillow because it's triangular and it
Speaker 2: was a hazard.
Speaker 3: So we had to take her pillow away from her.
Speaker 3: And now I've got it.
Speaker 2: So every time I go in and talk to her,
Speaker 2: I make fun of her because I've got her pillow
Speaker 2: and I'm like.
Speaker 1: You're just torturing it to me to get a damn
Speaker 1: pillow back. Oh wow, I know.
Speaker 3: But how cool is that.
Speaker 1: I didn't even think of that, But that does make sense.
Speaker 1: It's if that ability is taken away, it does make
Speaker 1: sense that you can tap into, you know, expressing and
Speaker 1: communicating with people in another way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I know. So that's incredible. One of the
Speaker 3: best things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if I was to walk in here as a skeptic,
Speaker 1: is there a particular story or case or case case study?
Speaker 1: But is there a particular story or occasion you would
Speaker 1: tell me to convert me into a believer?
Speaker 2: Look, you know what, I think that it has to
Speaker 2: be something that's like personal to you. So I could
Speaker 2: tell you a million stories, but until you actually experience
Speaker 2: it yourself, that's when that light bulb will go off
Speaker 2: for you. So I think you just have to sort
Speaker 2: of be open and explore it in that moment.
Speaker 1: And I guess it's not your role to convert people into,
Speaker 1: you know, believing what you do or believing in this
Speaker 1: whole world, because you're either in and you're out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think people get there in their own
Speaker 2: time too, So you might have like I have people
Speaker 2: that I channel and they didn't believe it here, but
Speaker 2: now they're on the other side, they're like, oh, hey,
Speaker 2: I'm going to be into this now and I'm going
Speaker 2: to do it. So some people never believe while they're here,
Speaker 2: and then we know on the other side they believe.
Speaker 3: So it's all in divine timing, all right.
Speaker 1: So someone goes to you and they're really hoping to
Speaker 1: get in contact with someone or to get some news
Speaker 1: or anything like that. What do you do in a
Speaker 1: situation where nothing's happening, you can't deliver them any news.
Speaker 1: How do you deal with that situation.
Speaker 3: It's very rare that I can't read for somebody.
Speaker 2: Obviously, it's not dial a spirit, so we can't always
Speaker 2: get exactly who we want.
Speaker 3: But most of the time it's okay.
Speaker 2: Sometimes I just go with the flow and see what
Speaker 2: comes through naturally first and who steps forward. But I
Speaker 2: do give my clients the opportunity to be able to
Speaker 2: let me know if there's someone in particular they were
Speaker 2: hoping to connect with, just so we can make sure
Speaker 2: that we hit all of the nails on the head.
Speaker 1: If you need to tap into something, is there you know,
Speaker 1: is there something that really helps you, whether it's an
Speaker 1: image or an object or is it some things that
Speaker 1: like are particularly like a fast track to oh great,
Speaker 1: I'm there.
Speaker 2: I don't really use anything like that. Yeah, So I
Speaker 2: kind of just let my senses do their things. You've
Speaker 2: got the brain, I've got the brain.
Speaker 1: Different. So you said the best way to make someone
Speaker 1: from a skeptic into a believer is to have something
Speaker 1: personal to them, or be able to tap into something
Speaker 1: that they go. Yes, I could meditate, I could hum something.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, is there anything I don't know?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 3: What you need to do is you need to close your.
Speaker 1: Eyes, both of them.
Speaker 2: No, you can just close one.
Speaker 1: I got this.
Speaker 2: Now you can hop around the room yep, and breathe
Speaker 2: very deeply. Now are you feeling anything?
Speaker 1: I think that was a spirit. Then I think I
Speaker 1: think I did think this would stitch up. Oh Jess,
Speaker 1: it was a stitch up. And now I just want
Speaker 1: to drop dead from embarrassment. But maybe then she'll be
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