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Speaker 1: Sometimes the most painfully normal looking people live the most

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Speaker 1: interesting lives. Personally, I don't know what that's like, as

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Speaker 1: I'm both absolutely stunning and incredibly interesting. But I am

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Speaker 1: generously giving my time to these regular people so I

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Speaker 1: from the world. It might be a spooky hobby or skill,

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Speaker 1: or maybe it's a naughty side hustle or job. Whatever

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Speaker 1: it is, I will uncover it. Welcome to conceal it

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Speaker 1: with me, Art Simone, I've a feeling. Our guest is here,

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Speaker 1: roll the tape. Hi.

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Speaker 2: My name is Jess. I live in Melbourne. I am

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Speaker 2: thirty four years old. I enjoy walking my dogs, drinking

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Speaker 2: Chai and singing karaoke. I worked as an executive assistant

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Speaker 2: for many years, including for Peter Alexander, but now I

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Speaker 2: found another way to help people use in my own

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Speaker 2: set of skills, and that is what I'm concealing today.

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Speaker 1: All right, Hello, how are you good? Welcome to the studios,

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Speaker 1: and cozy you're not. It's like a sheerbty orangey cozy jumper.

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Speaker 1: But I really need to talk about your bling. I

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Speaker 1: was distracted the whole time you were speaking at your

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Speaker 1: bling on those fingers. You've got sparklier rings than a

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Speaker 1: drag queen. I know. Oh, show me, show me both hands.

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Speaker 3: I'm all about the sparkle.

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Speaker 1: They're gorgeous.

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Speaker 3: Oh so much?

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Speaker 1: Do you know? So rich bitch? I'm writing, rich bitch?

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Speaker 1: Got that? There dogs? How many dogs you got? It

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Speaker 3: It sounded like, I know, I've got two dogs to.

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Speaker 1: A tape of I'm not a dog person, but I'm

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Speaker 1: pretending is that? Can you tell? What? What? What type

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Speaker 1: of dog is it?

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Speaker 3: We have got to west Thiland Terry a cross.

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Speaker 1: Little white ones. Now, you said you were an E

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Speaker 2: What's an E executive assistant?

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Speaker 1: That's very fancy title.

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Speaker 3: I know it is.

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Speaker 1: What is it?

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Speaker 3: A fancy job?

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Speaker 1: What is that? What is it?

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Speaker 3: It's basically being everyone's everything.

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. So when you say Peter Alexander, do

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Speaker 1: you mean the person? Yeah? The man think you at

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Speaker 1: the shop? I was like, oh so you were like,

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Speaker 1: you know, we're stuck in the candles and stuff, aren't

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Speaker 1: for the real deal? What am going to do is

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Speaker 1: asking three questions, and from the answers to those three questions,

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Speaker 1: I have to try and work out what it is

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Speaker 1: you're concealing from me today. Are you ready?

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Speaker 3: I'm ready?

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right. First question is when are you at

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Speaker 1: your most.

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Speaker 2: Relaxed when I'm getting a massage, but only for the

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Speaker 2: first couple of minutes, and then things start to get

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, a message, are right? So you like

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Speaker 1: the massage, but then you don't hot and cold?

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Speaker 1: Okay. I don't like being touched. So I've only ever

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Speaker 1: had one massage in my life. Really yeah, but it

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Speaker 1: I think that's put me off it for life.

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Speaker 3: You didn't try again?

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, I've just got one of those balls

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Speaker 1: and I roll away hands on the back.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So most relax and massage okay, all right. Question

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Speaker 3: Well? I don't actually eat meat, okay.

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Speaker 2: But if I did, probably medium misteak.

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Speaker 1: All right, but don't eat steak, but if you had to. Okay,

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Speaker 1: this is all over the shop, all right. The last

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Speaker 1: question for you is what type of music are you into?

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Speaker 3: Soul music?

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Speaker 2: Right, okay, right, this is all over the shop.

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Speaker 1: It's just right in front of me. I can see it.

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Speaker 1: dead people. Okay, know what the title? Are you an

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Speaker 3: What's it called?

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Speaker 2: I am a psychic medium, which means I communicate with

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Speaker 1: Oh, I think I think I got it. I didn't

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm going to take that as a win. I

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Speaker 2: Yes, So a psychic is someone who taps into you

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Speaker 2: a psychic medium kind of does a bit of both.

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Speaker 2: So like with the dead, with the dead people, with

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Speaker 1: People, what side of it do you like the most?

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Speaker 3: The medium?

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Speaker 2: Shit, yeah, I love connecting with all the dead people.

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Speaker 1: Stop stop it all right? Okay, when did you first

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Speaker 1: realize you had this? Do you call it a gift? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I've always have had this really strong like intuition. I've

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Speaker 2: just really strong got instinct, like I would just kind

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Speaker 2: said to me, Jess, I don't know why you're here.

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Speaker 2: You should be able to do this, and I was like, oh, well,

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Speaker 1: So how do you learn to kind of hone that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I did lots of meditation classes, That's what

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Speaker 2: and then I was mentored for a few years. I

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Speaker 3: Here I am.

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Speaker 1: How do you find a place where you can study,

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Speaker 1: you know, being a psychic medium? How do you tap

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Speaker 1: someone to help me with this or you know, how

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Speaker 1: do you know these people are legit or you can

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Speaker 2: Well, the way that I figured out was I actually

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Speaker 2: me and it was spot on, and I was like, oh,

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Speaker 2: I really like the way that you work.

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Speaker 3: I'm like into that.

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Speaker 2: So I ended up looking her up and then I

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Speaker 3: So I was like, you'd be so good you know

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Speaker 3: how to teach how to teach kids? Like sure you

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Speaker 3: know how to teach me?

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Speaker 1: Yea, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: She was just awesome and she'd learned from some of

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Speaker 3: There is like all around the world. They do a lot.

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Speaker 2: Actually in the UK, there's a lot of really great

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Speaker 1: They Where do you learn it? Do you go to

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Speaker 3: Crystal no, no, crystal balls.

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Speaker 2: Well, the first time that I went, I actually went

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Speaker 2: There and they were doing like this meditation and she's like,

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Speaker 2: then you got paired up, like there was just throw

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Speaker 3: She was with a total stranger and they're like, now

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Speaker 2: And tell us what you've And this is my first

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Speaker 2: started to sense and feel all this stuff and everything

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Speaker 2: And then afterwards I looked at my friend and I'm like,

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Speaker 3: And she's like, I felt nothing.

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Speaker 2: I saw these lots of color and all this stuff,

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Speaker 2: and she's like the fat it was just nothing.

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Speaker 1: I felt hungry, I felt tired, and from anyone else,

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Speaker 2: But literally the two days afterwards we were all. We

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Speaker 2: were both on a high. It was the best energy ever.

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Speaker 2: Just to be in the room was so cool. But

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Speaker 2: I actually learned during COVID, so I was all online.

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Speaker 2: So it was zoom classes and no castles, just like, straight.

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Speaker 1: To it set your zoom background is the castle if

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Speaker 1: you felt like it.

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Speaker 3: Oh I could have if onally I had have known

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Speaker 1: Oh no, that's okay, that's okay. So how do they

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Speaker 1: test you at a medium school? Do they do? They

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Speaker 1: go like, well, we know that hander over there has

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Speaker 2: No, well sort of, you get like, well, I used

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly how I would describe it. And this

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Speaker 2: Oh well, my sister haunted us when she passed away,

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Speaker 3: I don't like that either. So and she did weird things.

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Speaker 1: I don't know about that.

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Speaker 3: Seeing it's next level.

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Speaker 1: So then how do you tell your sister fuck off.

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Speaker 3: It's it's working.

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Speaker 1: Does that have to be a real lime? It can

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Speaker 2: So every time I go in and talk to her,

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Speaker 1: You're just torturing it to me to get a damn

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Speaker 3: But how cool is that.

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Speaker 1: I didn't even think of that, But that does make sense.

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Speaker 1: It's if that ability is taken away, it does make

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I know. So that's incredible. One of the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if I was to walk in here as a skeptic,

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Speaker 1: But is there a particular story or occasion you would

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Speaker 2: Look, you know what, I think that it has to

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Speaker 1: And I guess it's not your role to convert people into,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think people get there in their own

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Speaker 3: So it's all in divine timing, all right.

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Speaker 3: It's very rare that I can't read for somebody.

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Speaker 2: Obviously, it's not dial a spirit, so we can't always

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Speaker 2: Sometimes I just go with the flow and see what

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Speaker 1: If you need to tap into something, is there you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm there.

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Speaker 1: from a skeptic into a believer is to have something

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Speaker 1: personal to them, or be able to tap into something

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Speaker 1: that they go. Yes, I could meditate, I could hum something.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, is there anything I don't know?

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Speaker 2: All right?

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Speaker 3: What you need to do is you need to close your.

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Speaker 1: Eyes, both of them.

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Speaker 2: No, you can just close one.

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Speaker 1: I got this.

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Speaker 2: Now you can hop around the room yep, and breathe

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Speaker 2: very deeply. Now are you feeling anything?

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Speaker 1: I think that was a spirit. Then I think I

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Speaker 1: think I did think this would stitch up. Oh Jess,

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Speaker 1: it was a stitch up. And now I just want

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Speaker 1: to drop dead from embarrassment. But maybe then she'll be

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Speaker 1: able to speak to me. Oh, you've been listening to

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Speaker 1: out someone who can speak to the supernatural and someone

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