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Speaker 2: Growing up, Desi Miller was well acquainted with the gym

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Speaker 2: now she's representing Team Rugby Union on Rivals to help

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Female Athlete Project and thanks for

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Speaker 2: pressing play on today's episode. My name is Sophie Norris,

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Speaker 2: the producer here at TEFAP and this week Chloe sits

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Speaker 2: catch Daisy and Team Rugby Union on the final few

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Speaker 2: episodes of Rivals, streaming for free now on KO Sports.

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Speaker 3: Daisy Miller, Welcome to the Female Athlete Project.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 3: I'm really looking forward to this chat chat all about

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Speaker 3: Rivals that you've been competing on, about Wallaroo's, about World Cup,

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Speaker 1: Lot six months. Yeah, how are you feeling.

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Speaker 3: Your family in the stairs?

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Speaker 3: The fact that she'd made such a huge effort to

436
00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:45,520
Speaker 3: be there to support you must have been like such

437
00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:46,600
Speaker 3: a powerful force for you.

438
00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:49,440
Speaker 1: Oh, it was so powerful. It's one thing to represent

439
00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:51,840
Speaker 1: your country. It's one thing to go to something so

440
00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:56,000
Speaker 1: prestigious like a Well Cup. And then we started wearing

441
00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:58,400
Speaker 1: our back, our surnames on the back of our jerseys,

442
00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:00,639
Speaker 1: so then that was even more you know, prideful, you know,

443
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:05,240
Speaker 1: representing your country for women and your family all in

444
00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:08,800
Speaker 1: the one go A little over not even I wouldn't

445
00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,280
Speaker 1: say overwhelming, but it got to that point it was

446
00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:16,840
Speaker 1: just yeah, you just played with love and excitement and

447
00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:20,880
Speaker 1: it just it was an indescribable feeling and I absolutely

448
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:24,480
Speaker 1: loved it and something that I'll hold very close to

449
00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:28,640
Speaker 1: my heart. Yeah. I can't even put it into words.

450
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:29,840
Speaker 1: It's so hard to describe.

451
00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:32,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's really special you and I saw on your

452
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:35,920
Speaker 3: Instagram you've also become a scleroderma ambassador. Have I said

453
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:36,280
Speaker 3: that right?

454
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:40,639
Speaker 1: Yes? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, so post World Cup, well I

455
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,960
Speaker 1: didn't think it was, you know, a possible thing, and

456
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,000
Speaker 1: then with a scloid of Australian Foundation, I said, oh no,

457
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:48,640
Speaker 1: I need to be doing more for them. I mean,

458
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,680
Speaker 1: there's not a lot we can do, but raising awareness

459
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:56,240
Speaker 1: is one. So we had war Tar's last year participate

460
00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:58,119
Speaker 1: in some Flow Day because super WSN and then this

461
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 1: year Some Flower Day fell in camp. So yeah, so

462
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:06,560
Speaker 1: I'm so honored to represent my sister and support her

463
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,200
Speaker 1: and raise awareness for this condition and everyone else in

464
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:11,760
Speaker 1: the community and also autoimmune. I feel that it's so

465
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 1: prevalent at the moment at the moment, and we need

466
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 1: to be addressing that a lot more so to do that,

467
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 1: you know, I'm more than happy too, and I really

468
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,240
Speaker 1: want to. So it was really special for Walleries to

469
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:26,680
Speaker 1: get behind me on that day as well.

470
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, it's amazing the way that they could get

471
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:32,240
Speaker 3: around you for something like that. Can you tell us,

472
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,159
Speaker 3: if you're comfortable a bit more about the condition, so

473
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 3: that people can kind of be more aware of what

474
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 3: it is if they haven't heard of it before.

475
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:45,040
Speaker 1: So, scleroderma is a autoimmune condition, and it means loosely

476
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 1: like the hardening and thickening of the skin. Right, there's

477
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:51,679
Speaker 1: two types. One that just affects your skin, and then

478
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:53,880
Speaker 1: there's one that affects your eternal organs. So my sister

479
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:54,680
Speaker 1: has the second one.

480
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 2: Wow.

481
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:58,959
Speaker 1: So over the when she first started getting pain in

482
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:03,159
Speaker 1: her risks from then she had rainouns, which can be

483
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,879
Speaker 1: a precursor to it, which is just a circulation issue.

484
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 1: Your hands go blue, literally looks like a corpse hands.

485
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,360
Speaker 1: It's yeah, And we were like, oh hah, that's so funny.

486
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 1: And then and then we didn't realize that it could

487
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:18,640
Speaker 1: lead to this. And then so then over the course

488
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,439
Speaker 1: of a few months, she was sitting out of she

489
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 1: was just sitting and watching her dance full time course

490
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:28,639
Speaker 1: go on by, couldn't really participate. She lost a lot

491
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,399
Speaker 1: of weight, so a few of us thought it was

492
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 1: something more eating disorder. Because you dancing, you know, it's

493
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:36,640
Speaker 1: very particular. You could have a hair out of place,

494
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,359
Speaker 1: and that's the reason we didn't pick you really cut throat.

495
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 1: So that's where I thought it was going, and I

496
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 1: was praying that it didn't because growing up, Mum really

497
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 1: instilled in us the importance of food fueling yourself and

498
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:54,200
Speaker 1: always had positive, you know, body image, and I think

499
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 1: sport also helped with that. And then yeah, she kept

500
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 1: losing weight. So then we figured out that because she

501
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:02,480
Speaker 1: had the second one was affecting her guts, so she

502
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,639
Speaker 1: couldn't physically eat a lot because it was tightening and

503
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 1: shrinking her hand. It is so horrible her skin. Think

504
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 1: of it like someone's I don't know how to like

505
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 1: taking your skin and like pulled off a chunk and

506
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 1: like put it back to it. It's like tightening, tightening, tightening,

507
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 1: thickening around the joints and overproduction of collagen. And then

508
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 1: because your skin got so tight, like she couldn't breathe

509
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,120
Speaker 1: a little bit because of around the ribs, so you'd

510
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:30,159
Speaker 1: have to sit there and massage her so loosen up

511
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 1: the flashier. Like the first few months were really scary

512
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,639
Speaker 1: because we didn't know how to help. We couldn't relate

513
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 1: and not let a lot of people know about it.

514
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:40,119
Speaker 1: So if there wasn't anyone could be like, hey, look

515
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 1: like or a doctor, they wouldn't really know about it.

516
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,920
Speaker 1: General GP doesn't know too much about it. So yeah,

517
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,400
Speaker 1: super scary. But you know, Shirley's got a great healthcare

518
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 1: system and we were able to get a great team

519
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 1: of doctors together to help us. So yeah, that's basically.

520
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 1: And the reason it's a sunflower their symbol is because

521
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 1: they can't the sun the really sounsensitive and so yeah,

522
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 1: and it's also supposed to be you know, shine light

523
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,399
Speaker 1: and all that. So I always wear sunflowers or some

524
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:12,159
Speaker 1: flower on my tape every game day and yeah, and

525
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 1: that's why it's National Sunflower Day and the colors yellow.

526
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 1: So yeah, thank you for sharing that.

527
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 3: Wallaroos at the World cart give us just like a

528
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 3: brief over you, I guess of your performance, how you

529
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 3: saw it as a player, and you might chat about

530
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 3: how you went to Yeah.

531
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 1: I was super proud of our performance obviously. It's it's

532
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 1: interesting because obviously Australian rugby is in a very fragile

533
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 1: state at the moment, and you could win three games,

534
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 1: but lose one and then it changes everyone's perception, and

535
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 1: I think that's.

536
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 3: Quite I feel like fragile is a great word to

537
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 3: describe how it feels.

538
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:51,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think over the last few years there's

539
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 1: been some there's been more darker times than there has

540
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 1: been right at times in terms of wins and loss,

541
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 1: and that comes with rugby. But I think now people

542
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 1: just have a lens of again, you win three games

543
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 1: or we won two games, we lost against England and

544
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 1: then we lost our quarters. But you know, two positives,

545
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 1: one negative, and the negative overpowers the positive. So I mean,

546
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,399
Speaker 1: I'm super proud of what we did and what we

547
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 1: produced and what we built, and we knew it was

548
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 1: a lot bigger than us. There was the job that

549
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 1: we had to do there and our goal was to

550
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 1: make it out of the pool, to make it to

551
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 1: the quarters and see how far we could go, and

552
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 1: we did and so proud of that and I think

553
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 1: going from now, we want to be winning more test matches.

554
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 1: But again it's fragile and the general public can kind

555
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: of just write it off because it's been consistent across

556
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,959
Speaker 1: Australian rugby. If that makes ya, I think I've been

557
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 1: in a bit of a tangent here, But that's just

558
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,120
Speaker 1: something I've been thinking about recently. It's like, if you're

559
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 1: not the same with the Tillies, everybody like, oh, we

560
00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 1: need to sell out stames before we can grow the game.

561
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 1: But getting a couple of thousand under sellout is more

562
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:04,879
Speaker 1: than what the boys can do as well. So I

563
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 1: don't think we were comparing to perfection and then we're

564
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 1: just comparing to.

565
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,199
Speaker 3: I couldn't agree with you, Yeah, I don't, And I

566
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 3: think like that, No, I think your Tilly example is perfect,

567
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 3: and I think it's almost dangerous territory that like the

568
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 3: Tillies are in in the sense because it's like, now,

569
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 3: as you said, if they don't sell out a stadium,

570
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 3: people think it's not good enough. Yeah, it's like, hang on,

571
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 3: how have we made that the bar?

572
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I just watched an NRL game yesterday and

573
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 1: they barely sold like half of it, and that's not

574
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 1: an issue. Yeah, But if you're comparing women to perfection

575
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 1: and not doing the same for them men, like, it's

576
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: not going to be perfect salad every time. That's just reality.

577
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 1: So totally. I mean, yeah, again, sorry, going back to

578
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 1: the World Cup and our performance. I was really proud

579
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 1: of us, and I know we're only going to build

580
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,719
Speaker 1: and go up from here. But that's just something I

581
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: noticed that I'm a little nervous for over the next

582
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 1: few years. England did so well and have built it

583
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: so well, and I just hope that people aren't thinking

584
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: it needs to be perfect for it to be worth it.

585
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I totally hear what you're saying. So looking

586
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 3: then ahead to twenty twenty nine, what does ideal scenario

587
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 3: look like for you for a home World Cup? If

588
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 3: obviously England did such an amazing job they also won

589
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 3: the World Cup, Like, yeah, how do you get ready

590
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 3: for something like that? Like what needs to happen for you?

591
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 3: And is it shifting the goalposts to say we want

592
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 3: to have people getting around rugby and we want families

593
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 3: to come in the community to love the game and

594
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 3: love women's sport. Compared to this pressure for us to

595
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 3: go out there and win a World Cup at home.

596
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: I think it's a two way street. We obviously have

597
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 1: a job to do. People want to come and support

598
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 1: teams that are going well, but also have a story

599
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 1: off the field, So I think it's important for us

600
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 1: to really show that and be more than just players

601
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 1: on a field. Again, we still need to win more

602
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 1: games and we want to be better and produce quality rugby.

603
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: But then it's also up to the organization and to

604
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: the general public to you know, clean up the side

605
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 1: of the street and come to our games and support us.

606
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 1: And whether you be support one player, you support Walleries

607
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 1: as a whole, or just Australia in general, Australian rugby

608
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: in general. Yeah, I think we're some people are relying

609
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 1: on one thing, whereas I think we all need to

610
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 1: collectively work little one percent as will compound. You can't

611
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 1: just rely on someone to bring out ninety percent and

612
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 1: then they clean up their ten percent.

613
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, that makes sense to you, and I will say

614
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 3: it because you're a player so you shouldn't have to.

615
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 3: But I will also say that there needs to be

616
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 3: the investment in the game and effective decision making and

617
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 3: strategy made from rugby Australia in the world rugby to

618
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 3: make sure that for you guys, the work is done

619
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 3: so that the game is marketed, people know that the

620
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 3: games are on, that the tournament's happening as well.

621
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I hope that that's recognized. I mean you've

622
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 1: got the men's twenty seven next year.

623
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 3: Here, I can't leave twenty twenty sevens next year.

624
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 1: I cannot believe it. That is ridiculous. No, I refuse.

625
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: And then we've got hours two years later, So we're

626
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 1: we are actually in such a contagious position to not

627
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 1: only carry off the women's stuff like Tilli's, and carry

628
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 1: off the men and then we've got hours and twenty nine.

629
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 1: Like there's a little room for error. We just got

630
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 1: to do the right things totally, and it's not hard

631
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: to do the right thing. So I think, just yet

632
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 1: investment in the game, and yeah, I feel like we're

633
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: at a bit of a standpoint right now. They want

634
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 1: us to do better and we want to do better.

635
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: But when we're not training full time, we're not centralized,

636
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: we're not spending a lot of time together. When our

637
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: domestic compies are growing, it makes it hard because how

638
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: are we supposed to play more rugby when there is

639
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: more rugby to play? Yes, how do we develop our

640
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 1: depth if there's a grassroots not invested in. You know,

641
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 1: we want investment, but we also recognize the importance of

642
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 1: investing in our grassroots because that's going to fun a

643
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: lot for sure.

644
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 3: I like that it's not that hard to do the

645
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 3: right things. Yeah, I'm very excited to talk to you

646
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 3: about Rivals. I've been loving watching can You and I

647
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 3: think because I know you, I'm even more excited to

648
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 3: like back you in. But can you tell us for

649
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 3: people who haven't seen yet, what is Rivals? What is

650
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 3: it all about?

651
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 1: So? Rivals is a show that is settling the all

652
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: time debate of which is the best code, or basically

653
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 1: settling debate that rugby is the best code. So yeah,

654
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 1: So it is Aussie rules league and rugby union or

655
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 1: coming together and competing in these different challenges curated. We're

656
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 1: curated by the AIS and basically whoever comes out on top.

657
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 1: So there's six rounds, a semi and then a final

658
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 1: if you complete. If you finish at the top, like

659
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 1: a minor prem after the six challenges, you don't play

660
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 1: the semi and you play the final on Hamilton Island,

661
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 1: which was so so cool. I've never been there before

662
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: and it was really cool to have someone like Ash

663
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 1: because she was my teammate, you know, she's my teammate,

664
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Speaker 1: and also to meet other players Harry and Joe, Sue

665
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 1: from your code and then work with them, compete with them. Yeah,

666
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: it was really cool.

667
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that. That's probably one thing that I've

668
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 3: loved about the serious the fact that you guys, so

669
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Speaker 3: there's a set of different challenges that you do. That's

670
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Speaker 3: I guess all the different characteristics. Would you say that athlete.

671
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they try to, you know, cut it up and

672
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: define certain attributes and then also match them to certain

673
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: sports I think, to create a bit more of an

674
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: even playing field. We had an index at the start

675
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: where which I didn't know we were doing. I thought

676
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 1: we were just showing up the visitors. We're going to

677
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: check we're all good, and then we just go in

678
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 1: there like you have this what bike, thirty second mr

679
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 1: speed bench, You've got a power lift, you've got a sprint,

680
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: you've got an agility, you've got a yo yo And

681
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: I said, whoa, I haven't done a yoyo in a

682
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: very long time. I cannot do yoo.

683
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 3: It's a bit traumatic.

684
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you gross. They are so gross. And yeah. So

685
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Speaker 1: that was the first first day of first half of

686
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Speaker 1: the day, which was we were all like a lot

687
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: of us in our off season, so we were like

688
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: what poor Harry and Joe just got back from the UK.

689
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 1: Yes there, Yeah, they were wrecked. I mean they came

690
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: good throughout the week, but at the start they were

691
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 1: so exhausted, poor things. But yeah, that was kind of

692
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,280
Speaker 1: how the challenges were set and put together.

693
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Speaker 3: And what I loved about it is that they had

694
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 3: you guys competing I guess as a team, Like there's

695
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 3: probably not a lot of examples that I can even

696
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 3: think of where men and women have competed against each other,

697
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, And they were able to

698
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 3: structure these different tasks around like agility and strength and

699
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 3: speed and skill and all these things where if you

700
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 3: have two men and two women on a team that

701
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 3: are competing against another team and two men and two women.

702
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 3: It's kind of similar to I guess the Olympics where

703
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:51,479
Speaker 3: they've got like some the mixed relays now, yeah, which

704
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 3: to me is like it's such a perfect way to

705
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 3: do it that you can do mixed events because at

706
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 3: the end of the day and all balances out.

707
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Speaker 1: All balances out. Also, you have to be bit more

708
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 1: tactical and how you're doing and I think I mean

709
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: definitely rugby and youve got to think about tactics. Love

710
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: you guys. But yeah, so, and there was a few

711
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 1: challenges where tactics made all the difference. Semi Final in

712
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,839
Speaker 1: particular was a big one. I mean we just saw

713
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: that leak through one of their challenges for the next

714
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Speaker 1: few But will it work for them, We'll see. I guess.

715
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Speaker 3: What's going to happen. What was that element like around

716
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 3: working as a team, around like the strategy piece. I

717
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 3: feel like it's really interesting watching Harry like I've seen

718
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 3: him obviously play for the Wallabies him and what was

719
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 3: it like, I guess his leadership and you guys all

720
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Speaker 3: working together as a four.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny because I compare across the three different

722
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Speaker 1: codes from from league, the you know, big personalities, Lott

723
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Speaker 1: of Yapper, and it was hard to come to a

724
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Speaker 1: conclusion straight away talking to Ali and I've heard right now.

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Speaker 1: I mean after a few challenges they kind of got

726
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: better in terms of the strategy planning component, but at

727
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Speaker 1: the start you saw in the first challenge they just

728
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 1: you know, just came out firing, which is really great. Yeah,

729
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: it didn't work. And then I know for Ousie rules Scott,

730
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Speaker 1: you know his mind, he's crazy crazy For like fifty

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Speaker 1: seconds when I was born or something. That's why close

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Speaker 1: to something.

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Speaker 3: I was young, yeah, crazy.

734
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Speaker 1: And he's always on. So they'd be explaining the challenges

735
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 1: and he'd have the strategy basically in place, and so

736
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 1: you come back and be like what are these Like

737
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 1: I'm thinking this, and everyone's like that's amazing. So yeah,

738
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: so it was kind of like didn't really it was

739
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 1: all over the place, league, really straightforward and tot with

740
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 1: Scott in Aussie Rules, and then I felt like we

741
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 1: were kind of in the middle. We would contribute talk

742
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 1: and bring up, oh what about this, we got to

743
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 1: think about this, and then ha would come to the

744
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: conclusion and we all agreed with it. So I think

745
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 1: that's something that really helped us throughout the whole comp

746
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: We were all on the same page, we all backed

747
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: each other, and we all just like, let's enjoy it.

748
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 1: I think. I mean, you see me and the way

749
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 1: they portrayed me on the show, I look like, you know,

750
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,240
Speaker 1: crushing under the pressure. But I just yeah, I don't

751
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 1: really like a lot of chat on me. I'm very

752
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:27,760
Speaker 1: just in there to do the job. And I think

753
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: Joe and I were very similar that we didn't have

754
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 1: the chat. Harry and Ash carried that, but at the

755
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,399
Speaker 1: end of the day, we all hadn't you know, come

756
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 1: to a conclusion. We're very democratic, and yeah, it worked

757
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: in our favor.

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Speaker 3: I think I like that. How have you found your

759
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,879
Speaker 3: rugby specific skills of help like you and Ash doing

760
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 3: like the kettlebell, barries and stuff like you guys are strong.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think even across a lot of the challenges.

762
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Speaker 1: I think the endurance carry for sure, that definitely helped us.

763
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:02,399
Speaker 1: But in terms of the kettlebell, yeah, we also our

764
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,840
Speaker 1: TikTok doom scrolling came into help as well, because you know,

765
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Speaker 1: it's you run back and forth and some people go

766
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:10,879
Speaker 1: the closest, some people go the first. We knew that

767
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: that helped as well. No, that's rugby at all. But

768
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:19,320
Speaker 1: the strength in terms of the strength, yeah, it really helped.

769
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Speaker 1: You know, Ashes super powerful, great skill and super strong.

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Speaker 1: So she would start us off, I would try to

771
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 1: close it out. Definitely felt the heat from league who

772
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 1: were next to us, but I think we just came

773
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Speaker 1: out on top because we had, you know, had the

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Speaker 1: better qualities and that challenge.

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Speaker 3: Okay, don't give anything away because I know you're not

776
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 3: allowed to. But who is the ultimate Athlete.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've had a lot of people ask me this.

778
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 1: So even at the game the other day, Yeah, against

779
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 1: VGI and camera, they're like, oh, so, like who won?

780
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 1: And I can't say.

781
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 3: But yeah, don't. I'm not asking you to say who won? Okay,

782
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 3: but in your opinion, who was the ultimate athlete? Oh?

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Speaker 1: Rugby Union? Come on, come on, come on?

784
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Speaker 3: Can you give us a little preview of the pack

785
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 3: Fall series? You're about to head over to the USA? Yeah,

786
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 3: to begin that series? What does what is Pack four?

787
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Speaker 3: What does it look like? Who are your matches against?

788
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Speaker 1: So? Pack four is a competition that the USA, Canada,

789
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Speaker 1: New Zealand and Australia participate in.

790
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:25,800
Speaker 3: Four teams.

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00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: No I and it makes sense because pack Fall sense

792
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,879
Speaker 1: specific for Pacific Sea all around that. Yeah, and a

793
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 1: really great uh combo of teams, you know, reversing New

794
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,839
Speaker 1: Zealand one of the top teams Canada Lethal just came

795
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 1: second at the World Cup. So it's cool to have

796
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 1: consistent games against teams that we're trying to compete with.

797
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:53,760
Speaker 1: And it changes locations each each year. So last year

798
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 1: was here in New Zealand and this year it is

799
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Speaker 1: in the USA. So we'll go over to Sacramento and

800
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 1: verse Canada, and then we'll go to Kansas City to

801
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,760
Speaker 1: verse the USA, and then we'll actually versus New Zealand

802
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:11,919
Speaker 1: back here in the Sunshine Coast. And yeah, yes, yeah,

803
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 1: that is so cool, it amazing, so cool. Yeah, we

804
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 1: haven't done that before. And I mean, hopefully we beat

805
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: them for the first time. I imagine that. Yeah, surely

806
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: it's yeah, yeah, put it in your calendars. Yes, that

807
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:34,800
Speaker 1: would be really special. And then essentially, whoever wins the

808
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 1: most games wins that series. And that's a little test

809
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 1: at the start of the year. And then later in

810
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,800
Speaker 1: the year we now moved to a model where we

811
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Speaker 1: will verse a few teams overseas and then we'll have

812
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 1: a team come back here and verse us for two

813
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 1: consecutive weeks.

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Speaker 3: A couple of questions I ask everyone on the show.

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Speaker 3: First one is who has had the biggest impact on

816
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 3: you as a person.

817
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:59,800
Speaker 1: There's a lot of people and classic answer, but my family.

818
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 1: I I cannot speak highly of them enough. Each of

819
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 1: them have all taught me something different and have made

820
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:09,839
Speaker 1: me the person I am today. So yeah, I'd have

821
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 1: to save my family. There very important to me.

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00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 3: What has been your favorite failure so many.

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00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 1: I guess COVID. I mean, not my personal failure. I

824
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: didn't create COVID all spread it, but COVID and me.

825
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 1: It was my first year out of high school. I

826
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 1: was only playing soccer and I wasn't really doing much

827
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: with myself. I was at UNI, but I wasn't really

828
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:45,919
Speaker 1: enjoying it, and then COVID happened and soccer wasn't really

829
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:47,800
Speaker 1: enjoying it. I just I think it was a bit lost,

830
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 1: and I didn't really I think the first year at

831
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 1: high school was so much fun and so important. I

832
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: didn't really take advantage of it. But in saying that,

833
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 1: that opened up the opportunity for Rugby, you know, it

834
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:02,280
Speaker 1: gave me a fresh start and now I'm here, So

835
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, not really not really living my life

836
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 1: hard the way I wanted to post high school, and

837
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 1: that was kind of my failure that led me to

838
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 1: something greater.

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00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 3: Yeah it would you now like that? Okay?

840
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: That good? That's awesome.

841
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for coming on today heading me,

842
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 3: for sharing so openly, and your beautiful family and your sister.

843
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 3: It was really lovely to sit down and chat with you.

844
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: So thank you so much. No, thank you for having me.

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00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: Thank good luck in the US.

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00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 3: By the words, thanks so much for listening. If you

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00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,359
Speaker 3: got something out of this episode, I would absolutely love

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00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:44,160
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