1 00:00:01,560 --> 00:00:05,519 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. You're joined by journalists Sophie 2 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:08,560 Speaker 1: and Amy Torbert for a special episode we've decided to 3 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: call Confessions of a TV Reporter. Now. For those who 4 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: are OG listeners, you'll know we started our careers in 5 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 1: the media before launching our public relations firm, the PR Bible, 6 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:20,919 Speaker 1: and we do get asked a lot of questions about 7 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 1: what it is really like to be a TV reporter, 8 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:25,760 Speaker 1: So we thought we'd address some of our favorite questions 9 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: we've got along the way. I mean, I always get 10 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 1: asked how you and I actually got into the industry, 11 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 1: and people might be surprised to know our parents are teachers, 12 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: so we didn't have any sort of uncle or AUNTI 13 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:41,240 Speaker 1: your parent that was involved in the media, which really. 14 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 2: Doesn't help you out, does it. No, it doesn't. 15 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 1: So we all studied a journalism degree and did a 16 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:49,200 Speaker 1: master's in journalism as well, and basically just hit up 17 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: every news station, every newspaper to get work experience whilst 18 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 1: we were at UNI, And for those who are at UNI, 19 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: it really is worth it because that's the only way 20 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: you can, you know, gain those connections. 21 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 2: They're going to get your foot in the door. 22 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:06,119 Speaker 1: Well, the big connection that helped me get my foot 23 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:07,760 Speaker 1: in the door was the fact that I happened to 24 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: play tennis alongside one of the Channel ten reporters, and 25 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: that was because we actually, Kate, soph and I. We 26 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:17,320 Speaker 1: actually got invited to do some work at ten after 27 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: a news industry night, so we started writing the weather 28 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 1: and my favorite thing to do was there was a 29 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 1: button where you could change the weather to snow. That 30 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: was never ever used because it doesn't snow in Adelage, 31 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 1: but that was the best. But yeah, I joined the 32 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:35,639 Speaker 1: ten tennis team and one of the lovely reporters tipped 33 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: me off that there was a job going at Today 34 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: tonight and I should put my hand up for it 35 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 1: as a sort of producer slash researcher role. Yeah, and 36 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:45,839 Speaker 1: you were saying before we were invited in for work experience, 37 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: and that was because our group actually won the news night. 38 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 1: So it does pay off to really put in the 39 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 1: hard yards at UNI because we put together each a 40 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: different news story, a TV news story, and that's when 41 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 1: all of the industry leaders were basically the judging who 42 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: they liked the best. 43 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 2: So luckily we went. It was like. 44 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 1: Australian idol that judging Panawa. They did not hold back, 45 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 1: did they. I remember one guy I got told he 46 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: was Wooden and then his last name was wood I 47 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 1: mean he is now working in the industry and doing 48 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 1: very well. 49 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 2: So it doesn't always tore people to shreds. 50 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: It was, oh, your voice isn't good, you don't look 51 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 1: good on camera. So that is something in journalism you 52 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:24,800 Speaker 1: do have to have a very very thick skin. One 53 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,399 Speaker 1: of our big breaks, I suppose you call it, while 54 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 1: we're at UNI was doing sa NFL, which is a 55 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: South Australian football league for those who don't know. So 56 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 1: we did sports reporting for them, and I think they 57 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 1: thought it was a little bit of a gimmick, the 58 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: fact that it was three girls and the fact that 59 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 1: we were triplets. 60 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:41,919 Speaker 2: And I remember, you know, we. 61 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:44,079 Speaker 1: Were so excited when they said that we could do 62 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: the match reporting and then they made us pose in 63 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 1: this photo of us or looking out at the game, 64 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 1: and it was so embarrassing. But I remember you and 65 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 1: Kate being quite shocked when you guys reported on your 66 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: first game. You've got to tell everybody what happened when 67 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: you went into the chains. The chain drooms can be 68 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 1: a very daunting place to go into, especially for a female. 69 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:07,640 Speaker 1: Kate and I walked in to interview the coach and 70 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: literally all the players were just in the nude and 71 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:13,079 Speaker 1: you just felt like the biggest perv and it was 72 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 1: really uncomfortable. I mean we were probably twenty one twenty two, 73 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 1: and you get the vibe that everyone thinks that you 74 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: want to be in there, and like, really, I since 75 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:23,959 Speaker 1: the age of seventeen, I wanted to be a sports 76 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: journalist and have changed my mind obviously along the way, 77 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: but I really loved football and I really wanted to 78 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:32,519 Speaker 1: be taken seriously. So it was quite a confronting situation 79 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: when people think that you are there just to talk 80 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 1: to the players or gork at the players. We're talking 81 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: about confronting situations. I remember my sort of first real 82 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 1: journalism job, and that was at a current Affairs style 83 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: program and I remember walking in and I got sent 84 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: straight into a meeting and it was just everything you 85 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 1: think it's going to be. It was hilarious. I had 86 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: so much fun in this meeting. They were talking about 87 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 1: cookie diet and all this kind of stuff like neighbors 88 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: from Hell, and I was just licking my lips. I 89 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: was like, Wow, this is so interesting. And I remember 90 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: I got sent out with one of the reporters and 91 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 1: I had to put a hidden camera in my bag 92 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 1: because we were doing a sting on this. I'm sure 93 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: people remember at Studio two thousand, remember they used to 94 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: hand out you know, flyers and you could apparently get 95 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 1: a free shoot, but the photos turned out being really expensive. 96 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 1: So remember the first few weeks I got sent out 97 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 1: undercover to do a shoot with Studio two thousand, and 98 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 1: they did your hair and makeup. It was humiliating, like 99 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:37,919 Speaker 1: they made us look like dead set idiots. Isn't that 100 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:40,720 Speaker 1: just what you would picture in a current affair style 101 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 1: program to be like? It lived up to every expectation 102 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 1: hearing about your first day did. I genuinely had so 103 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: much fun there. Though it was a good environment to 104 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 1: learn a lot. My entrance into my big break was 105 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 1: a bit longer than yours. 106 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 2: I did a lot of shit kicker jobs. 107 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 1: I think that people think the second you step in 108 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:00,120 Speaker 1: the door at a TV station, you're going to be 109 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:02,839 Speaker 1: on TV. I did the really long route. I did 110 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:06,599 Speaker 1: AUTOQ for many years. I listened to scanners early on 111 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:10,919 Speaker 1: Saturday mornings. I basically did everything just to get my 112 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:13,599 Speaker 1: job and finally get noticed. And a lot of it 113 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 1: did come from if anyone is out there trying to 114 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 1: get their break, is you've really got to start coming 115 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 1: up with your own story ideas and just really pitching 116 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 1: and talking to the boss. I used to be so 117 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:26,599 Speaker 1: scared about Boss Terry, who we actually work with now 118 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 1: and who I absolutely adore, But it's just breaking down 119 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 1: those barriers and making those connections. 120 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 2: Oh, definitely. 121 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: Another question that we get asked a lot is about 122 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 1: the industry's focus on appearance and whether there are any guidelines, 123 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 1: And there are heaps of guidelines out there, so there 124 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: are so many. There's a style guide, so a number 125 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 1: of networks I've been out, they've had specifically outlined what 126 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 1: colors you're allowed to wear, what jewelry you know is 127 00:05:58,400 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: actually pretty much no jury. 128 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 2: You're allowed to wear hairstyles. I remember. 129 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 1: I remember at one TV station I worked out, there 130 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 1: was an ongoing joke that the boss only liked women 131 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:11,839 Speaker 1: with blonde bobs because literally all the women on staff 132 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:13,919 Speaker 1: had blonde bobs. And luckily for me, my hair was 133 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: a blonde bob at the time, so it was quite good. 134 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 2: Well, when I was on my Cadet Chip. 135 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 1: We actually had a whole class that was a makeup 136 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:24,359 Speaker 1: class that was actually really cool. So one of the 137 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 1: makeup artists who does all the news presenters makeup came 138 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:29,840 Speaker 1: and spoke to us and she even showed the men 139 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 1: how to put makeup on, which was pretty funny. Like 140 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: they've got this eyebrow gel that they have to smooth 141 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:37,799 Speaker 1: their eyebrows with, and a lot of the hard core 142 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 1: male journals will actually wear foundation and a bit of 143 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 1: powder over the top, which is I must admit, it 144 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: was pretty hilarious to watch them put it on because. 145 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 2: They love it. I think they really get into it. 146 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: And as a man, you're also if you're out on 147 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 1: the road and you've got a beautiful pair of pants 148 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 1: with pockets, you're not allowed to put a phone in 149 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 1: those pockets because you cannot crease those pants. Despite them 150 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: never really being on camera. Well, I absolutely love makeup, 151 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 1: so for me, I found it really fun every day 152 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 1: to do my makeup really nicely. But you know it 153 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 1: is for those who love the more casual look. It 154 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 1: can be quite daunting. If anyone listening is preparing to 155 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 1: be interviewed on TV or is actually wanting to be 156 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: a journalist, you do have to wear really over the 157 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: top makeup because the camera just really washes you out. Yeah, 158 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: it doesn't pick it up. The other thing that comes 159 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 1: along with, I suppose this image obsessed industry is the 160 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: continual criticism about your appearance, though, because especially when you're 161 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: starting out, you don't really know what colors work for you. 162 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 1: And I remember being told by one of this style 163 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: people that they couldn't see my eyebrows, so I had 164 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 1: to draw them in. I had a camera man tell 165 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 1: me I looked green on camera. That's always great when 166 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: you're trying hard and you get told you look green. 167 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 1: I remember one particular piece to camera and my hair 168 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: was blowing in the wind and the cameraman was just 169 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 1: getting really irritated at me because my hair wasn't heavy 170 00:07:57,320 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 1: enough to sit down and it wasn't thick enough. My 171 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: hair has always been one of my insecurities. So the 172 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 1: next day I went out and got some clip in 173 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 1: hair extensions, and it looks so much better on camera. 174 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 1: But for anyone who's worn them, if you've got a 175 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 1: twelve hour day starting at six am, it is so 176 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 1: uncomfortable and is so time consuming. I remember doing what 177 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 1: they call a piece to camera. That's a bit that 178 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 1: the reporter obviously says in front of the camera. 179 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 2: I remember doing one. 180 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 1: In the studio at a particular news station, and at 181 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 1: this station, everything that happens in studio feeds into the 182 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: televisions of the other people working there, so they had 183 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: a TV in the makeup and hair part of the office, 184 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 1: and I remember being buzzed. It was like, could you 185 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 1: please come to hair and makeup immediately? And they were 186 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 1: just like, your hair looks basically shit, like we need 187 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 1: to fix it. And I remember they did it, and 188 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 1: I thought I looked so stupid, it was so buffy, 189 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:55,199 Speaker 1: and I was actually so embarrassed about it. 190 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 2: You did get the tag of being a bit scruffy sometimes, 191 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 2: Oh I know. 192 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 1: I got told that I looked like I just sort 193 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 1: of woke up and threw my clothes, which I'm sorry 194 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 1: when on my alarm, when if at four thirty I 195 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 1: did just get up and throw my clothes on Well, 196 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 1: it was really unfair because Amy was a full time 197 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 1: employee and I was a freelancer. And she got this 198 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 1: whole wardrobe bought for her all new jackets, dresses, and 199 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 1: she even had a little cupboard at work that was 200 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 1: built in where you could just go to your cupboard 201 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:25,959 Speaker 1: if you want to change your clothes, and I literally 202 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 1: had to fork out for all of my own stuff. 203 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 1: Do you remember that time that we wrapped up to 204 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 1: work in the same outfit? 205 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 2: Oh, that was so embarrassing. This is when we lived together. 206 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 1: So I happened to leave earlier than Sophie that morning, 207 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 1: and then I arrived and she and I were both 208 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 1: wearing white tops and blue blazers and we were like. 209 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:44,439 Speaker 2: Oh my god. 210 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 1: The worst thing is it wouldn't have mattered on a 211 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 1: normal day because we would have been out at different things. 212 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: But the only time ever we've been sent out on 213 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:55,439 Speaker 1: a story together, and it was a stakeout of Billie Brownless. 214 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 2: Oh, I still feel a little. 215 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 1: Bit bad about that now that this happened. When drimble 216 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 1: that controversy Billy Brown, this is of course one of 217 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 1: the male hosts that were on the Footy Show, and 218 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 1: there was that big scandal about his wife hooking up 219 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 1: with Gary Lyon, and so he kind of was in 220 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 1: Adelaide and he was showing his face for the first time. 221 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 1: So it was quite an important story. People wanted to 222 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 1: get him on camera. So I got sent to sit 223 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 1: in the crowd and I suppose to get sneaky phone 224 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 1: shots of him. He was appearing at a local football club, 225 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: and then soph was sent out the front to bounce him. 226 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: And when they say bounce, that means you know, when 227 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 1: the reporters run up with the camera and they're like, Billy, 228 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: how's it going. Have you had from your wife? How's 229 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: your friendship with Gary Lyon going? 230 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 2: That kind of thing? 231 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 1: So I looked like a massive dick. I went up 232 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 1: and I took a photo with Billy so I could 233 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 1: get close to film, in which I felt so bad about, 234 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: and then he's bounced by my identical systory outside. It 235 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: was so funny because I literally sat outside all day 236 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: with the cameraman and soundo and Amy was inside, she said, and. 237 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:00,959 Speaker 2: A few people spotted up outside with the. 238 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: Camera and they're like, what parasides sitting out there waiting, 239 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: and Amy was just like, yeah, terrible, isn't it. 240 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 2: It's so terrible. 241 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: I did get Billy to say something, though, I killed 242 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 1: him with kindness instead of being very aggressive. 243 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 2: What did you say to him? 244 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 1: I think I just said, how are you enjoying the 245 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 1: day and he's like, yes, it's good, thank you, and 246 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 1: they used that grap. Well, we did get praised heavily, 247 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 1: didn't we because we Actually that's the thing. You do, 248 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 1: these things that you feel bad about, but you get 249 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:28,559 Speaker 1: kind of praise and you're like, oh, okay, I did good. 250 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 1: And steakhouts are something that is a regular occurrence on 251 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 1: the job. 252 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 2: It is. It can be very boring. 253 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:39,959 Speaker 1: It depends because I remember I got sent out. It 254 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 1: was to some kind of home invasion or something like that. 255 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: A poor woman got hit over the head with a crowbar, 256 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 1: and I remember rocking up at about six thirty in 257 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: the morning and we were waiting. I think we're waiting 258 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 1: to see if she returned home. I mean, that's the 259 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:57,679 Speaker 1: first thing you want to see when you've returned home 260 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 1: from a horrific injury, is it? News reporters on your 261 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:04,119 Speaker 1: front doorstep? But I remember it was all the networks 262 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: had waited and we'd got interviews with neighbors and stuff, 263 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:09,679 Speaker 1: and we had a jolly old time. We was sitting 264 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 1: out in the sun on the gate, sorry, on the 265 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 1: fence out there, and a lady brought us water and cookies, 266 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: which is a very rare occurrence. People normally tell you 267 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 1: to piss off and get a real job. Well, there 268 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 1: are a lot of mind games that happen on steakhouts 269 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 1: because you're obviously there with the other networks. And there 270 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 1: are occasions where I had to pretend that I was leaving, 271 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 1: so we drive around the block, wait for about ten minutes, 272 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: then drive back hoping that the other crew had left. 273 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 2: Well, because that's a thing. 274 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 1: So for those who don't know, most of the time 275 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 1: the steakhouts go for such a long time because none 276 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:44,199 Speaker 1: of the networks want to fold because the big fear 277 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 1: is that if you miss someone and someone else gets it, 278 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: you're going to get in trouble because that's going to 279 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:52,680 Speaker 1: be what they call an exclusive. So most of the 280 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 1: time it just gets pushed out because everyone refuses to leave. 281 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 1: We've both been on jobs where a competitor has left 282 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 1: a car. Yeah, so sometimes say there'll be you know, 283 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 1: the person you want to speak to isn't home. Sometimes 284 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 1: a reporter will leave their business card in the door, 285 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: and the question is always do you leave. 286 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 2: It there and be a good person or do. 287 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: You throw it away now? So, if you have you 288 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 1: thrown any business cards away before no. 289 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:21,959 Speaker 2: I actually haven't, but I hear that you have. Well 290 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 2: I didn't know. 291 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:24,680 Speaker 1: I didn't know what's such a bad thing because I'd 292 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: had it drilled into my head. You know, you've got 293 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: to get the exclusive. You got to you gotta win 294 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: and do this. And I remember once I've never I 295 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: never normally did it, but I've been to some specific 296 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 1: training and I saw the card there and this particular 297 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 1: reporter had been a bit of a dick, so I thought, 298 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 1: I'll take that card with me. Well, it is a 299 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 1: bit lazy, I mean maybe because I never had my 300 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 1: own card until I worked at Today tonight. But yeah, 301 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 1: I didn't have a card, so I didn't end up 302 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 1: playing those games. Well, there is someone who did a 303 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 1: little bit worse than that. There was a reporter who 304 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 1: climbed through a nursing home window just to try and 305 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:59,679 Speaker 1: get that exclusive. I think that might be going a 306 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: little bit too far, but I supposed talking about going 307 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:06,680 Speaker 1: too far. I know we've both faced backlash while out 308 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: in the public about particular stories we've done. And I 309 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 1: think one of my favorite stories has to be about 310 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: when I was working at a particular current affairs show 311 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 1: and we had done a story about solariums. And obviously 312 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 1: now there aren't any solariums around in South Australia. But 313 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 1: before you used to be able to go in, and 314 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: there was meant to be some kind of system in place. 315 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: So when you walked in, they gave you a sort 316 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 1: of sheet to fill out. And if you had really 317 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 1: pale skin, I think it was class A skin or 318 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: whatever it's called, you weren't meant to be able to 319 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 1: get a solarium tan. So if you were like a 320 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 1: bit pale, or you had fair hair anyway, they decided 321 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: to send myself and another friend in. So and that 322 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: was because you guys had very fair skin. 323 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 2: I was told I had fair skin. I was quiet, 324 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 2: I was quite. 325 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 1: You do have fair skin anyway. So yeah, we were 326 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 1: told to purposely make our scores low. So then they'd 327 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: question us about it and be like, oh, you know, 328 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: like whether they'd encourage us to bump it up or whatever. 329 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 1: And there were some places that did say, oh no, no, 330 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 1: just give that a two and whatever and you can 331 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 1: come in. So I remember sitting at dinner. You were there, 332 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 1: soph and it was Kay and our bestie Owen, and 333 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 1: we were just at this beautiful pizza place, and all 334 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 1: of a sudden, this man walks up to me and 335 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 1: he goes, you're that girl on that show, aren't you? 336 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 1: And I said what and he's like, you know that show? 337 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 1: And I said, oh yeah, and he's like, how dare 338 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 1: you come into my scelarium and put such a story on, 339 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 1: and like just went off at me. I was so embarrassed, 340 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 1: and then I had to try and diffuse the situation. 341 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 1: It's all very, very awkward. You also do face a 342 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 1: little criticism from your senior colleagues. I had worked this really, 343 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 1: really long day and I remember being quite happy with 344 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: my story and relief that it went to air on time, 345 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 1: and then I copped a phone call from my boss saying, oh, 346 00:15:56,120 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 1: you pronounced kilometer wrong. It's killer meter not and that 347 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: was I was just at the end of my tether 348 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 1: in that situation. But it's you'll always get I remember, 349 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 1: you got a super wrong, and you just get absolutely 350 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 1: scolded for the small if the good thing is I mean, 351 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 1: it is bad to get those small things wrong if 352 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 1: there is a way that you meant to say it, 353 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 1: and it does make you never forget those small things 354 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: like how to say kilometer and all of that. It 355 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 1: is funny though, there's a lot of things that are 356 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 1: pronounced a certain way on the news, like in South 357 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 1: Australia they all say Peter phile if they're the news, 358 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 1: the news reporter. Well, I can't stand people saying schedule 359 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 1: Now it is one hundred percent schedule if you're speaking 360 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 1: the English language, and I get so mad at Brandon 361 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: for saying schedule. That's your boyfriend, of course. Yes, Other 362 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 1: than getting in trouble for saying things, there's also issues 363 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: on the road that could get you in trouble. A 364 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 1: lot of dangerous situations that you actually find yourself in. 365 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 1: I mean one of those situations is when you have 366 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 1: to knock on people's doors. So if you're working as 367 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 1: the early journal you start at five point thirty and 368 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 1: you basically see what's happened overnight. There might be a 369 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:04,400 Speaker 1: fire or a crime or whatever, and you get sent 370 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 1: out to that. So you've got to start door knocking 371 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 1: people about the event that's gone on. And I don't 372 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 1: know about you, but I wouldn't want people knocking on 373 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 1: my door that early. And you can, and you can 374 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 1: find yourself in quite dangerous situations. So if you had 375 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:21,120 Speaker 1: one in Elizabeth, which is an area in South Australia's North, 376 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 1: which isn't the most amazing place to live. Yeah, I 377 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 1: was sent to this molotov cocktail attack and I was 378 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 1: getting ready to do a piece to camera and we 379 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:32,119 Speaker 1: got to tip off from one of the neighbors that 380 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: the owner whose house was attacked he was in a 381 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 1: pretty foul mood about the whole thing and didn't like 382 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:40,439 Speaker 1: the fact that media were there. And it actually interrupted 383 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 1: one of the other journalists who was their piece to camera, 384 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 1: so he said, Oh, he's running around with a bat 385 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 1: and pretty angry, so you might want to do it quickly. 386 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 1: And I had a full light set up and I 387 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 1: felt so stressed because it literally was the quickest piece 388 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 1: of camera I've ever done, because once I got through 389 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 1: the third take, we actually we saw him out of 390 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 1: the corner of our eye running towards us, so we 391 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:03,880 Speaker 1: had to like leap back in the car. 392 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:04,399 Speaker 2: God. 393 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 1: I remember getting sent to a story and it was 394 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:10,919 Speaker 1: somewhere up north and it was just it was something 395 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:13,479 Speaker 1: to do with some prisoner that had escaped and they 396 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:15,399 Speaker 1: thought he was at his family's homes. We had to 397 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 1: go knock on the door and I remember the woman 398 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: whose house it was, Her daughter answered the door, and 399 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:24,399 Speaker 1: this massive like great dane came to the door with 400 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 1: her and started barking at everyone, and she say, sorry, 401 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:30,159 Speaker 1: mom's still in bed and she can't talk. So we 402 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:32,359 Speaker 1: had to stand on the street and sort of stake 403 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:34,360 Speaker 1: out the place in case she came out to get 404 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 1: comment from her. 405 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 2: I remember hearing. 406 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 1: This dog just barking and barking, and then all of 407 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:43,399 Speaker 1: a sudden I noticed there was this cute elderly couple 408 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 1: walking their little Maltese past the house, and all of 409 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:49,679 Speaker 1: a sudden, the huge great dane shot out the door 410 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 1: and starts mauling this dog. 411 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 2: And I remember my. 412 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:56,439 Speaker 1: First instinct was I said to the cameraman, are you 413 00:18:56,560 --> 00:19:00,399 Speaker 1: filming this? And then I felt so bad because I 414 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 1: could just see in my head like I didn't you 415 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 1: know what was about to happen. 416 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 2: I didn't want to see the dog die. 417 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 1: And then they somehow managed to get the maltese out 418 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 1: of the dog's mouth, and then the dog ran off. Anyway, 419 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 1: this all like, can you imagine what a difficult story 420 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,360 Speaker 1: this is now to put together. There's a somebody that's 421 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 1: escaped prison. The person's in the house, there's a dog 422 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 1: attack on the street. 423 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 2: Sound sensational. It was a story in the end. 424 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:30,640 Speaker 1: But what was the most hilarious thing was a few 425 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:33,399 Speaker 1: days later I heard something over the scanners about a 426 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:36,399 Speaker 1: dog attack and that the council was coming or something, 427 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:36,680 Speaker 1: and I. 428 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 2: Was like, I bet that's that dog. 429 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:41,199 Speaker 1: So on a whim, we just drove out to the 430 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 1: address and we found the RSPCA like leading the dog 431 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 1: out to take it away, and it had mouled the 432 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 1: kid inside. The kid was fine after a little while. 433 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 2: But how crazy is that? 434 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:56,400 Speaker 1: So you got two good stories out of that one? 435 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:57,640 Speaker 1: I did? 436 00:19:58,119 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 2: I did. 437 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:00,680 Speaker 1: Now, when we say good, it sounds all because I'm like, oh, 438 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:04,119 Speaker 1: great pictures. We don't actually mean that their nice photos 439 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 1: is just But it's a very newsworthy story, isn't it. 440 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 1: And the fact we've got that as an exclusive, And 441 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 1: another huge thing in journalism is the exclusive. If you 442 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:16,679 Speaker 1: can have the word exclusive flashing on your report, oh 443 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 1: my gosh, your news boss is going to love you. 444 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 1: And at the moment there's obviously huge bushfires in Queensland 445 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:24,880 Speaker 1: and New South Wales which have kind of reminded us 446 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 1: a lot of our time reporting because I'm you reported 447 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 1: on two of the biggest bushfires in South Australia. Yeah. Well, 448 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 1: the first bushfire I reported on was the Samps and 449 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 1: flat fires, and I was one of the first journalists 450 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:37,959 Speaker 1: who got sent out. I don't think they realized at 451 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: the time how big it actually was. And this was 452 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 1: the first fire I'd ever been in to. It only 453 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:45,159 Speaker 1: just really had the fire training, and so you have 454 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:47,920 Speaker 1: to get all kitted up in your fire suit. And 455 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 1: so many people who might do live crosses from the 456 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:54,399 Speaker 1: fire scene, they actually don't really get anywhere close to 457 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 1: the fire, so they always put their suits on, have. 458 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 2: To roll on the ground to make it look not 459 00:20:58,760 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 2: so clean. 460 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: Any I remember going and doing interviews with people who 461 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 1: were in the fire zone area, and I remember ringing 462 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:09,880 Speaker 1: my chief of staff to tell them about the interviews 463 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: I've got and I said casually, I was like, oh, 464 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 1: do you want us to stay around here or leave? 465 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:16,679 Speaker 2: It's like where are you? And I told her She's like, 466 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 2: oh my god, get the fuck out of there. 467 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: The fires are coming. So we had to just speed out. 468 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. 469 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:26,160 Speaker 1: I remember it was so I was with this cameraman 470 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:30,119 Speaker 1: who was so lovely, and we because what happens in 471 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:33,439 Speaker 1: a fire situation is obviously the police carding off the 472 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:36,159 Speaker 1: roads to keep people safe. But as a journalist, your 473 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:38,119 Speaker 1: job is to get in there and get those pictures 474 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:39,919 Speaker 1: and get that story, so you have to try and 475 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 1: sneak past the police and so on the map, I 476 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 1: found there was a road, like a secret sort of 477 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 1: dirt road that led into one of the areas that 478 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:52,359 Speaker 1: we wanted to film anyway, so we use this track 479 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,959 Speaker 1: a lot, and one day we were one morning, we 480 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 1: were driving on this track to get to this area, 481 00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 1: and a tree had fallen across it. And when I 482 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 1: say tree, it was probably a huge branch maybe instead 483 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 1: of a tree anyway, extremely heavy to lift, and I 484 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 1: remember we were just like, oh no, we're not going 485 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 1: to be able to get here now. All the other 486 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,120 Speaker 1: roads are closed. So we were like, okay, we'll try 487 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:14,639 Speaker 1: and move it. 488 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 2: Somehow. We wish we'd. 489 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:18,399 Speaker 1: Filmed it because we didn't want to get in trouble 490 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,159 Speaker 1: like having vision of us doing it. But we somehow 491 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 1: gathered this extra human strength and dragged the fucking branch 492 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 1: off the road and drove through. 493 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 2: It was crazy. 494 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 1: In those high pressure situations, you do get really shocked 495 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,160 Speaker 1: by what you can do. Another question we get quite 496 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 1: a lot is what is it like to work with 497 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:37,359 Speaker 1: people who are on TV? 498 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 2: Hmmm, that is an interesting one. 499 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 1: I think what you'll find is that the cameramen become 500 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:46,640 Speaker 1: your best friends because they are the most down to earth, knowledgeable, 501 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:50,119 Speaker 1: kind people, I would say in the journalism industry, and 502 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,880 Speaker 1: most often they're the ones who've been there the longest. 503 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:56,359 Speaker 1: So I actually think that compared to some of the reporters, 504 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 1: I think they're even more knowledgeable. Yeah, if you're a 505 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 1: young journalist, the best advice is to actually listen to 506 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 1: what the cameraman is saying and pick their brain because 507 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 1: they've been out to every story you could ever imagine, 508 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 1: and they are Like one of the camera guys who 509 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,680 Speaker 1: were good friends with he just knew everyone in Adelaide. 510 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 1: He knew where every bit of CCTV vision was that 511 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 1: you could get. 512 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:19,920 Speaker 2: He was incredible. 513 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,119 Speaker 1: The thing I loved about getting in the car with 514 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 1: the cameraman was it was kind of like a break 515 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:28,400 Speaker 1: from the office and the bitching that goes on in there. 516 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 1: Everyone just vents to the cameraman because it is quite 517 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 1: a bitchy industry. It's a very competitive industry. And I 518 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 1: found that not everyone. There's obviously some lovely people in there, 519 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 1: but some people just don't want to make friends. Yeah, 520 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: and that's what I always sound weird, because in all 521 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,959 Speaker 1: news environments you meant to work as a team, and 522 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 1: then there are some people that, I suppose, like in 523 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 1: every other industry, really are there for themselves in their career. 524 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,119 Speaker 1: I remember there was one girl that I worked with 525 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 1: and she told everyone that she doesn't accept work colleagues 526 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:07,119 Speaker 1: on Facebook and Instagram, and just having said that, it 527 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 1: made me feel like, what is the point of even 528 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 1: getting to know You've clearly already got barriers up. That 529 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,639 Speaker 1: being said, I have met some amazing people in the 530 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,159 Speaker 1: industry that just have hearts of gold and would just 531 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,120 Speaker 1: go out of their way to help you as well. 532 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 1: So I suppose it's like every office there's always someone 533 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 1: that's really nice, and then there, of course those dickheads 534 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 1: that you work with. One of the harsh realities of 535 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: working in news is that you do have to work 536 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 1: Christmas Day, which is just awful because sofen I love 537 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 1: Christmas Day. I think we ended up I think I 538 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 1: ended up working two or three Christmas Days in total. 539 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 1: I think it was two and I worked one. Yeah, 540 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 1: it just that's the thing. I can see why people 541 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,160 Speaker 1: don't like Christmas Day. That might work in that in 542 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 1: that industry, because it's just like every other day. I 543 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 1: always think, who the hell watches news on Christmas? 544 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 2: Anyway? Well, I suppose news doesn't stop, does it? 545 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,399 Speaker 1: Just because it's Christmas? And everyone celebrates Christmas? And the 546 00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 1: cushy story you want if you've been put on a 547 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 1: Christmas Day shift is the morning story where you go 548 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 1: to the church, you go to someone's house to film 549 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:05,880 Speaker 1: them opening their presence. 550 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 2: I never got that. I got the follow of. 551 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 1: The person, poor person who drowned on Christmas Eve. 552 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,920 Speaker 2: I can't even remember the other story. Oh that's right. 553 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,639 Speaker 1: Oh, and then I got the story about how a 554 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 1: blackout had ruined everyone's Christmas dinner. 555 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 2: That would have been in good moods. Yeah, so isn't 556 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 2: it great to knock onto us? Hey have you had 557 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 2: a blackout? Oh fantastic? 558 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 1: Can you film you as buy a candle eating your dinner? Well, 559 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 1: mine was worse. I had a car explosion on Peachy Road, 560 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 1: which is in the heart of Elizabeth. So that was 561 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:35,680 Speaker 1: a bit of fun. I can imagine that, and it 562 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 1: was a scorching summer's day as well, with a huge 563 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 1: car one and that in the news they all say scorching, 564 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 1: like you're sitting at home and it's forty five degrees 565 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 1: scorching out there. 566 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 2: It's like, I'm even hotter from everyone saying this. 567 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 1: It's funny because when they do have those scorching days, 568 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 1: it's in the newsroom. There's always that one person who's like, 569 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 1: go and get an egg and crack it on the 570 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:02,639 Speaker 1: ash felt. Another question we get is how do you 571 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 1: encourage people to speak to you on camera? And it 572 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,679 Speaker 1: is a very difficult task. So I will throw that 573 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 1: to Amy, who did get the name of the weasel 574 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:14,120 Speaker 1: at work. Look, and that was as a compliment. Let 575 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,680 Speaker 1: me just preface that because I don't know, I seem 576 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 1: to I don't mean to preact, but I seem to 577 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 1: have this uncanny ability to be able to get people 578 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 1: to speak on camera and seek out exclusives. And I 579 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 1: suppose the number one tip if anyone is studying journalism 580 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 1: is just to make people feel really comfortable. You don't 581 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 1: want to try and force them into doing something right away. 582 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 1: Compliments Compliments go a long way as well, That's right, 583 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 1: I have to tell the story. I don't think I've 584 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 1: told it on the podcast before, but I remember being 585 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 1: sent out to a fire in the Northern Suburbs. 586 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 2: Sorry, the way I said fire just. 587 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:51,400 Speaker 1: Reminded me of on Front Night Fat the Fires right anyway, 588 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 1: So there was a fire in the Northern Suburbs and 589 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 1: all the news crews went out to it with this 590 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,359 Speaker 1: woman just refused to speak. So it's kind of like, Okay, 591 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 1: we'll just get on the next story. I came back 592 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 1: to the office at about three and my boss Terry, 593 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 1: who is absolutely legend, he'd read on the wires that 594 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 1: the woman was a mother, and he I mean, obviously 595 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 1: that's a great story. You want to have the mum 596 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,880 Speaker 1: that's potentially saved her kids from this a human interesting. 597 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,120 Speaker 1: So he's like, hmm, Amy, can you go out and 598 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 1: make that woman speak? And we need it for the 599 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 1: bulletin tonight. And this is at three pm. The news 600 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:27,720 Speaker 1: starts at six. And we had to drive her all 601 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 1: the way up to Elizabeth, which is probably like a 602 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 1: forty minute drive. So I was like, oh, okay, Terry, 603 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:33,479 Speaker 1: she wasn't speaking. 604 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 2: He's like, well, I need you to get her to speak. 605 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 1: So we got out there and we knocked on the door, 606 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 1: and just to preface it, she'd previously told people to 607 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,639 Speaker 1: piss off, understandably, so I knocked on the door and 608 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 1: she's like, oh, you're back again, and I said, oh yeah, 609 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,440 Speaker 1: I'm really sorry to interrupt. We're just wanting to get 610 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,440 Speaker 1: a few shots inside. Is that possible? So step one? 611 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,880 Speaker 1: You want to get inside, that's it. Right. Once you're inside, 612 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 1: you can orchestrate so you can start talking. She's like, 613 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,200 Speaker 1: I don't want to be on camera and I said, 614 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,439 Speaker 1: I totally understand that. Do you mind if we just 615 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 1: get vision of where the fire broke out? Okay, no worries. 616 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,200 Speaker 1: So this gave me time to talk to the woman 617 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 1: and obviously be human with her. And I said to her, so, 618 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 1: what is it that you're worried about? And she said, oh, 619 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 1: it's my teeth. I said, what's the issue with your teeth? 620 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:23,200 Speaker 2: And she said, well, I've got none and I said, oh, 621 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 2: I hadn't even noticed. 622 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,399 Speaker 1: Don't worry. We've got our cameraman Matt here. He'll be 623 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,919 Speaker 1: able to light you perfectly that no one will notice 624 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 1: your teeth at all. 625 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:34,160 Speaker 2: May I butt in here? 626 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 1: Our mother is a dental therapist, and teeth is one 627 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 1: of the first thing we have been taught to notice. 628 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 1: So you know, you've got to pull out little white 629 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 1: lives here and there. I feel bad telling this story now, 630 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 1: but so anyway, I said to Aga, we'll get the 631 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 1: light up. 632 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 2: You look fantastic. So are you sure, I said yes, like. 633 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:53,080 Speaker 1: You know, a girl to go, I wouldn't make you 634 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 1: look bad. Anyway, she did the interview, great story, got back, 635 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,160 Speaker 1: got a little bit of kudos, and I got all 636 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 1: that night from my mom after she saw the story 637 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: and she was. 638 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 2: Like, what the hell was with that woman with no teeth? 639 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 1: And I was like, oh. One of my most memorable 640 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 1: stories was about a turtle who disappeared and then found 641 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 1: its way home. It was obviously a very hard hitting story, 642 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:18,719 Speaker 1: and I think this was out in the South, and 643 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 1: we traveled quite a far away to get there. So 644 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 1: what So this turtle had just gone missing from the 645 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,320 Speaker 1: family home. So this woman emailed in and claimed that 646 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 1: her pet turtle had disappeared. I think he was Actually 647 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 1: he wasn't urtle the turtle that yeah, So he had 648 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 1: disappeared for three months and then miraculously found his way home, 649 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 1: according to this woman. 650 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 2: So it was clearly a different fucking turtle. 651 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,960 Speaker 1: It might not a bait anyways, did have any distinguishing features? 652 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 2: No, we did not. 653 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 1: Well, we can't let facts get in the way of 654 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 1: a good story anyway, So we rock up and we 655 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 1: asked the woman if we could get some vision of 656 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 1: the turtle. And the turtle was swimming in his little 657 00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 1: pond outside and the camera was pretty you know, adamant 658 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,239 Speaker 1: that he needed these shots. So the woman tried to 659 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 1: call the turtle out, thinking that that would work. I mean, 660 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 1: we've got a deadline here, so in sheer desperation, I 661 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 1: put my hands into the absolutely filthy pen sorry filthy pond, 662 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 1: and yanked the turtle out because I also needed him 663 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:19,959 Speaker 1: for my piece to camera. 664 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 2: And I actually got to find that piece to cameras. 665 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 2: Bloody hilarious. 666 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 1: The turtles just like walking around while I'm speaking right 667 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 1: in front of me, So it was worth it. 668 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 2: In the end. We had a lot of puns in 669 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 2: that story. 670 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,960 Speaker 1: It sounds like a good story, nice little closer piece 671 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 1: talking about piece to cameras. I remember when I was 672 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 1: doing a bit of training, when I was doing my cadet. Shit, 673 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 1: we had this woman come in to talk to us 674 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 1: about how to get the confidence and record the perfect 675 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 1: piece to camera. And it's so funny because I've got 676 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 1: such a wicked sense of humors, I really had to 677 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 1: stop myself from laughing because so basically what she'd do 678 00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 1: is she get you to read out one of your 679 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 1: you sent piece of cameras and then kind of critique you. 680 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 1: And she said to me, Hey, okay, so why don't 681 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 1: you add a little bit of a smile when you 682 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 1: say that line? And this story was about someone who'd 683 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 1: been murdered, and I was like, oh, so you want 684 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 1: me to smile, we're talking about someone being murdered. 685 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, kind of AD's a bit like if you just 686 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 2: have a little bit of a smile and a smirk. 687 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 1: And I remember the other girls and I were just 688 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 1: laughing after this because we couldn't believe it. And then 689 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 1: there was other training involved voice coaches, and I think 690 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:35,720 Speaker 1: voice coaches are the most strange individuals but also the loveliest. 691 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 1: And I've had a few voice coaches who've been amazing, 692 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 1: But some of the warm ups they get to you 693 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 1: to do you just feel like the biggest idiot. So 694 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 1: one of them is you stick your tongue out and 695 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,840 Speaker 1: you're meant to start saying words because that's meant to 696 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 1: sort of, I don't know, loosen up your mouth and 697 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,720 Speaker 1: oh I remember, yeah, I asked the woman if I 698 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 1: could film her doing the rehearsal things just to show 699 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 1: caves because it was so funny. Yeah. I had to 700 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 1: go to a voice coach when I went to seven 701 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 1: because they told me my voice was too channel ten 702 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 1: whatever that means, but I remember it. Yeah, it was 703 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 1: a very awkward experience because you are just being judged 704 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,600 Speaker 1: like it's just it's kind of yeah. Yeah. I remember 705 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 1: having some particular voice training, and this was after the 706 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 1: my cadet training, and I remember with these other girls 707 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 1: you could kind of roll your eyes at them and 708 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 1: have a bit of a snigger about how uncomfortable you were. 709 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 1: But I was with a group that was taking it 710 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 1: so super seriously. And I remember one of the tasks 711 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 1: they got us to do is we had to turn 712 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 1: to the person sitting next to us and whisper in 713 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 1: their ears something. 714 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 2: And I just felt so uncomfortable. And I remember the. 715 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 1: Lady whispered in my age like ohitch or something. 716 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 2: And I was like, oh my god. I tried to give. 717 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 1: Someone else the eyes, but no other eyes were coming 718 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:46,440 Speaker 1: back to me. 719 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 2: I was like, what the hell? 720 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 1: That is a question you do get asked a lot though, 721 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:51,600 Speaker 1: how did you develop your voice? 722 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 2: And I think some people just have it or you 723 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 2: don't have it. 724 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 1: Then again, I have heard people and they do like 725 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,560 Speaker 1: amazing work with what they've got, you know what I mean, 726 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 1: Like they've actually actually been able to really change up 727 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 1: their voice. But yeah, I think when you're first starting out, 728 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 1: you can obviously get ahead if you do have quite 729 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,200 Speaker 1: a nice voice. Actually, one of the other funny things 730 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 1: a voice coach did was she showed us the insides 731 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,680 Speaker 1: of a throat singing I was like, nah, it was 732 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,280 Speaker 1: my voice coach said that you can actually train someone 733 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 1: who has the most awful singing voice to have a 734 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 1: beautiful singing voice. I think she was trying to get 735 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 1: me to come in for lessons. It's like, yeah, honey, 736 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 1: I have no interest in being We realized it would 737 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 1: take about. 738 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 2: One hundred letters to get that going. 739 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 1: I suppose one of the most interesting things I've found 740 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,480 Speaker 1: so about stepping out of the media, and I don't 741 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,959 Speaker 1: know if you agree, but is the realization that nobody 742 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,880 Speaker 1: actually cares who you are, Like, I never actually thought 743 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,480 Speaker 1: that anyone cared who I was or anything like that, 744 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 1: but I. 745 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:50,360 Speaker 2: Know a lot of people do. 746 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 1: And it's quite amusing because the only people that actually 747 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,440 Speaker 1: recognize you are old people who watch the news, Like 748 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:00,440 Speaker 1: nobody else knows who you are. 749 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 2: So I don't know, have you found that? 750 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,560 Speaker 1: So yeah, I think some people do get into TV 751 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,279 Speaker 1: news thinking that they'll get some form of notoriety or 752 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:13,279 Speaker 1: fame or whatever, but really you are a nobody. I 753 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:17,279 Speaker 1: mean every state there are news readers, news reporters, So 754 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,680 Speaker 1: I mean I would say to people, get into journalism 755 00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:22,759 Speaker 1: because you love telling a story, not because you want 756 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,640 Speaker 1: to get noticed and be famous. That what's the crazy thing, though, 757 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 1: because I know for you and I it was never 758 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 1: about getting in there to have our face on television. 759 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:34,560 Speaker 1: If anything, I felt uncomfortable about doing piece to cameras 760 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,520 Speaker 1: and that side of things. I just really love telling 761 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,640 Speaker 1: people's stories. And I know that might sound wanky, but 762 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,479 Speaker 1: it's true. So but there were a lot of people 763 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,799 Speaker 1: who were driven by the fact that their face was 764 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:45,960 Speaker 1: on TV. And I still have a little bit of 765 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,960 Speaker 1: a giggle when I see some of the reporters around 766 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:53,840 Speaker 1: the state whose whole instagrams are dedicated to their journalism career, 767 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:55,960 Speaker 1: and I just find it all a bit cringe. Although 768 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,440 Speaker 1: we the people that put on their journalist's voice when 769 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,319 Speaker 1: they're just speaking in a normal converse station. 770 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:02,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're like, oh, take your hand off. 771 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 1: I would like that thinking. It is funny though, when 772 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,160 Speaker 1: you are working in the newsroom all day and the 773 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,800 Speaker 1: newsreaders rock up. So yeah, here's a little bit of 774 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:13,560 Speaker 1: an insight into what really goes on. 775 00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:14,680 Speaker 2: So not all of them. 776 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:16,719 Speaker 1: Some do come in earlier, but a few of the 777 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:20,360 Speaker 1: old veterans, they will probably roll in about four o'clock 778 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:24,120 Speaker 1: in their big fuck off cars. They oh yeah, and 779 00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:25,880 Speaker 1: it'll be like a competition of who can look like 780 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,239 Speaker 1: they've cared less, like to put no makeup on or 781 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:32,000 Speaker 1: the hair's crazy. Honestly, that was my biggest fear working 782 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,719 Speaker 1: in news, because if you're the reporter who does the updates, 783 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:37,759 Speaker 1: you have to come in with no makeup on because 784 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,000 Speaker 1: the makeup artist wants to do your hair and makeup. 785 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,719 Speaker 1: And obviously some of the women looked amazing and you 786 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,360 Speaker 1: couldn't tell really that they had no makeup on. But 787 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,200 Speaker 1: as so I've said, some of them would be like, 788 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,879 Speaker 1: fuck it, I'm not. I'm coming in with wet hair, 789 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,520 Speaker 1: I'm covering in my daggiest clothes, and I'm going to 790 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:53,080 Speaker 1: be done. 791 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:53,680 Speaker 2: Up to the macs. 792 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:55,799 Speaker 1: I can kind of see why people feel that way, 793 00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,280 Speaker 1: because it is a lot of upkeep being a TV reporter. 794 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,400 Speaker 1: And now when we're in PR there's nothing more than 795 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,560 Speaker 1: I love them just chucking my hair in a ponytawel 796 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,080 Speaker 1: and putting on comfy stuff while we work at the office. 797 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:05,920 Speaker 2: Oh for sure. 798 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,640 Speaker 1: I think the cruisiest job, though, in a newsroom has 799 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:10,879 Speaker 1: to be the sports reporter because they come in at 800 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,880 Speaker 1: the late sorry, the sports presenter because they come in 801 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:17,359 Speaker 1: at the latest time. They can wear shorts. Oh my god. 802 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:21,040 Speaker 1: Another sort of you know, confession of a TV reporter. 803 00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,279 Speaker 1: When you were talking about the wardrobe before, they have 804 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:28,920 Speaker 1: sensational wardrobe sales at newsrooms. So as a reporter, you 805 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,400 Speaker 1: get bought clothes. They're not actually yours, they're the network's clothes. 806 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,799 Speaker 1: So and each person has their own cupboard with all 807 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,280 Speaker 1: their clothes in it, and they get washed for you. 808 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:39,879 Speaker 1: So you just drop them in a bin and they 809 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,560 Speaker 1: washed and will dry clean them and then they'll appear. 810 00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,520 Speaker 1: But you really had no excuse to be digitaled when 811 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:52,959 Speaker 1: you were yes anyway, And so you know, obviously, after 812 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,120 Speaker 1: a few years the clothes get old and outdated and 813 00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:56,160 Speaker 1: they want to replace them. 814 00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:56,960 Speaker 2: So they do this. 815 00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,759 Speaker 1: Amazing sale where you can come in and buy, like 816 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,319 Speaker 1: a said suit, a Hugo Boss suit that's only been 817 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,640 Speaker 1: worn on air for fifty bucks. So remember, we got 818 00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,400 Speaker 1: so excited we bought our dad a suit and he 819 00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,640 Speaker 1: happens to be the identical dimensions of one of the 820 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,560 Speaker 1: news readers. And I felt so bad for him because 821 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,120 Speaker 1: he wore this particular suit to a wedding and a 822 00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,520 Speaker 1: mom kept mentioning whose suit it was to all of 823 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:20,480 Speaker 1: their friends, and he was so embarrassed. 824 00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:22,680 Speaker 2: I think that's all we have time for now. 825 00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,279 Speaker 1: We are going to do a second episode on this 826 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,800 Speaker 1: topic as well. Now, if you do have a question, 827 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,560 Speaker 1: you can either send them to our Facebook or Instagram account. 828 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:34,960 Speaker 1: They're under the same name Outspoken Underscore, the Underscore podcast. 829 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:36,760 Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for listening. 830 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:38,959 Speaker 1: I know I personally have had a lot of fun 831 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,319 Speaker 1: talking through some of these memories. 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