WEBVTT - UNPACKED REALITY - AUSTRALIAN SURVIVOR - ELIMINATION CHAT 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:01.760 It's in the news today, but it was actually on 0:00:01.840 --> 0:00:05.080 TV Reload, the podcast Last Deep That Life. Hey guys, 0:00:05.120 --> 0:00:07.880 welcome back to TV Reload, Thanks for clicking and downloading. 0:00:07.920 --> 0:00:11.640 On today's episode with Charles, the ninth eliminated contestant from 0:00:11.640 --> 0:00:14.680 this year's A Strand Survivor on Network ten, I will 0:00:14.720 --> 0:00:17.040 be talking about his time in Samoa and of course 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:19.840 what he thinks now that the smoke has well and 0:00:19.880 --> 0:00:23.360 truly been snuffed out of his torch. Astrainian Survivor Titans 0:00:23.440 --> 0:00:26.080 Versus Rebels is a showdown that pits the winners against 0:00:26.120 --> 0:00:28.760 the underdogs and the big wigs against the battlers, with 0:00:28.840 --> 0:00:31.520 each player competing for the grand prize of half a 0:00:31.560 --> 0:00:35.199 million dollars. Charles is a lawyer from Victoria. He started 0:00:35.200 --> 0:00:39.960 his game noticeably quiet, a character on the original Titans tribe. However, 0:00:40.520 --> 0:00:43.240 was that tribe switch that presented an opportunity for Charles 0:00:43.240 --> 0:00:45.800 to take control of his game. As he worked alongside 0:00:45.880 --> 0:00:48.920 Valeria and Winner to exploit the cracks between the Rebels 0:00:48.960 --> 0:00:53.120 faction and overcome the numerical disadvantage, we started to see 0:00:53.159 --> 0:00:56.520 some more entertaining elements surfacing from Charles, but a twist 0:00:56.560 --> 0:00:59.480 at his tribal council caused the voting powers within his 0:00:59.600 --> 0:01:03.120 majority alliance to be severed. The tables were then turned, 0:01:03.160 --> 0:01:05.720 with Ferris and Eileen holding the cards, who split their 0:01:05.800 --> 0:01:09.600 votes to secure Charles's blindside. Charles will talk about his 0:01:09.680 --> 0:01:12.720 exit from the show, unpacking his raw feelings about the 0:01:12.760 --> 0:01:15.000 way in which he found himself out of the game. 0:01:15.520 --> 0:01:17.920 We will talk about what we haven't been seeing from 0:01:18.000 --> 0:01:20.280 Charles and why there needs to be a Lord of 0:01:20.319 --> 0:01:22.959 the Ring sized version of each episode to catch some 0:01:23.080 --> 0:01:26.200 of his wittier comments. I will ask Charles about his 0:01:26.280 --> 0:01:29.839 insights into Ferris and Kirby's rivalry and who he thinks 0:01:29.880 --> 0:01:33.080 can't be trusted on that tribe. Plus, we will find 0:01:33.080 --> 0:01:36.520 out how we lied to his tribe and sabotaged everybody 0:01:36.680 --> 0:01:39.039 every day while he was on the beach of Samoa. 0:01:39.560 --> 0:01:41.880 There is so much to unpack with Charles, and he's 0:01:41.880 --> 0:01:44.200 actually really generous with his time. So sit back and 0:01:44.240 --> 0:01:46.800 relax as we dive just that little bit deeper into 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:50.200 the world of Australian survivor. Hi, Charles, how are you 0:01:50.280 --> 0:01:53.560 mane roll with the punches? Hey? 0:01:53.680 --> 0:01:56.760 Totally and that survivor right, there are twists and turns 0:01:56.880 --> 0:01:58.920 and sometimes you're on the right side, sometimes you're on 0:01:58.920 --> 0:02:00.600 the wrong side, and that's what it is. 0:02:00.720 --> 0:02:02.840 I don't think anyone knew what the sides were because, 0:02:02.880 --> 0:02:06.200 like today, I actually had to do a diagram. You know, 0:02:06.320 --> 0:02:08.800 this is where you need like a George or a 0:02:08.840 --> 0:02:10.720 Shannon or someone like that to sort. 0:02:10.600 --> 0:02:12.160 Of friend sheet. 0:02:13.040 --> 0:02:15.400 But yeah, so there was probably like six sides to 0:02:15.639 --> 0:02:16.440 the dice. 0:02:16.480 --> 0:02:19.120 Totally anyway, what are the chances? But as I say, 0:02:19.160 --> 0:02:19.800 it is what it is. 0:02:20.280 --> 0:02:22.239 How did you go with trying to keep this a secret? 0:02:22.280 --> 0:02:24.680 Because I mean, this is probably the biggest twist of 0:02:24.680 --> 0:02:26.799 the series so far. Did you try and keep that 0:02:26.880 --> 0:02:28.880 under your hat or did you choose certain people? Like 0:02:28.960 --> 0:02:29.880 how did that play out? 0:02:29.960 --> 0:02:34.160 There is a document that requires me to say and oh, yeah, 0:02:34.560 --> 0:02:38.400 NDA is fairly seriously. So yeah, generally speaking, I had 0:02:38.440 --> 0:02:40.240 to I had to wait for them to see the 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:43.000 twists unfold. But there was a period where I was 0:02:43.080 --> 0:02:46.799 home a little bit earlier than anticipated, and they'd kind 0:02:46.800 --> 0:02:49.800 of say, you know, did you get blindsided? And they 0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:52.360 were like, okay, well what happened? And I'd say, well, 0:02:52.400 --> 0:02:54.640 I can't tell you, so no, I didn't. I didn't 0:02:54.720 --> 0:02:57.880 you know, spill the beans, but I think a few 0:02:58.000 --> 0:03:00.919 people expected it's something funky happened. Well. 0:03:00.960 --> 0:03:03.560 I really enjoyed the Paul Keating quote. I also loved 0:03:03.600 --> 0:03:06.399 the clarification of the quote as well, and it made 0:03:06.440 --> 0:03:08.720 me think about Charles. I wanted more from you and 0:03:08.880 --> 0:03:10.720 I could have done with more of those quotes. 0:03:10.840 --> 0:03:13.400 I mean, there were quite a few that were peppered 0:03:13.400 --> 0:03:16.200 throughout my confessionals, but I think in the first like 0:03:16.360 --> 0:03:18.799 eight episodes or something, I think I had one confessional. 0:03:19.040 --> 0:03:21.720 Confessional came up with the first ten minutes of episode one, 0:03:21.840 --> 0:03:25.040 so I had a strong start, and then then for 0:03:25.080 --> 0:03:28.080 whatever reason, you know, related to the twist, I went quiet. 0:03:28.400 --> 0:03:31.239 There were quite a few quotes and maybe Channel ten 0:03:31.480 --> 0:03:33.679 or ESA we'll dig them up one day. 0:03:33.800 --> 0:03:37.360 The Lord of the Rings extended version of Survivor Titans 0:03:37.440 --> 0:03:38.960 Versus Rebels. 0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:40.440 Between me and Eden, I think there'd be quite a 0:03:40.480 --> 0:03:43.840 few quotes and different quotes as well. 0:03:44.040 --> 0:03:46.320 I can imagine Youtubo catching up after the show and 0:03:46.360 --> 0:03:49.320 swapping the notes on what did and didn't get put through. Anyway, 0:03:49.360 --> 0:03:51.600 there's pod there's a podcast for the two of you 0:03:52.040 --> 0:03:52.920 talking Survivor. 0:03:53.120 --> 0:03:54.680 I think Aiden will definitely be up for that. 0:03:54.920 --> 0:03:57.720 Yeah, i'd want to be I'd be subscribing, you know, 0:03:57.800 --> 0:04:00.840 in the world of politics. Though I thought about Valeria, 0:04:01.320 --> 0:04:03.520 was she right to take Ferris to task over his 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:04.480 leadership ability? 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:09.440 They are probably different leadership styles, and Ferris's leadership style 0:04:09.560 --> 0:04:13.920 didn't sit that well with me, Valeria or Winner. And 0:04:13.960 --> 0:04:17.600 that's not necessarily a criticism of Ferris's leadership ability, just 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:20.560 didn't sit quite well with us. And the reason is 0:04:20.560 --> 0:04:24.080 because Ferris leads or in the game anyway, and the 0:04:24.120 --> 0:04:26.279 game's very different to real life. I must say, so 0:04:26.520 --> 0:04:30.000 Ferris leads by intimidation and kind of being the top dog. 0:04:30.240 --> 0:04:32.599 And I think I said in the Garrick vote out 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:35.800 tribal that I couldn't have a conversation with someone about 0:04:35.839 --> 0:04:38.719 dinner without someone else in the tribe. And when I 0:04:38.760 --> 0:04:41.760 was referring to someone else, I meant Ferris or Garrick 0:04:42.000 --> 0:04:44.359 coming to me and saying, you know, hey, were you 0:04:44.400 --> 0:04:46.240 talking to what are you talking to Scott about? And 0:04:46.240 --> 0:04:47.680 then they'd go to Scott and say, what are you 0:04:47.680 --> 0:04:50.160 talking to Charles about? And it kind of put everyone 0:04:50.240 --> 0:04:53.159 on edge. And so if I mean, if that's Ferris's 0:04:53.279 --> 0:04:55.040 leadership style, then I don't think it was a very 0:04:55.080 --> 0:04:57.560 good one. That being said, he's still in the game, 0:04:57.600 --> 0:04:59.520 and I'm not so he got through. 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:02.599 Anyone point out that his sort of smile was a 0:05:02.600 --> 0:05:04.599 bit like Shawnee's when it came to being in the 0:05:04.640 --> 0:05:05.400 tribal council. 0:05:05.720 --> 0:05:07.960 No, no one's pointed that out at all. Yeah, because 0:05:07.960 --> 0:05:10.919 Shane always kind of looked quite cheerful in like a 0:05:11.080 --> 0:05:13.839 scheming way. Ferris loves it as well. I think he 0:05:13.960 --> 0:05:16.680 loved Tribal. He thrived at tribal and he was very 0:05:16.720 --> 0:05:19.560 fine and everyone knew that. You know, he didn't mean 0:05:19.680 --> 0:05:23.240 anything by his comments. Most of the time. He was 0:05:23.320 --> 0:05:25.200 very much like that, and I think he and Shannie 0:05:25.200 --> 0:05:26.239 had that in common. 0:05:26.400 --> 0:05:29.279 I was just really curious about when it dawned on you, 0:05:29.360 --> 0:05:31.880 what was the moment that you thought, Okay, I am 0:05:31.960 --> 0:05:32.520 going home. 0:05:32.920 --> 0:05:34.719 At the point in time, I don't think they actually showed. 0:05:35.200 --> 0:05:38.799 So Winner basically turned to me and said, get votes 0:05:38.839 --> 0:05:41.320 on me. I think he was a lot clearer with Valve, 0:05:41.360 --> 0:05:42.919 but he said kind of get votes on me, and 0:05:42.920 --> 0:05:44.440 so I thought, okay, Well, when he's got a plan, 0:05:44.480 --> 0:05:46.880 it's probably got an idol. And then at that point 0:05:46.920 --> 0:05:49.800 as well, Winner just straight up asked Ferris are you 0:05:49.800 --> 0:05:52.240 going to vote for me tonight Ferris? And Ferris said 0:05:52.440 --> 0:05:56.160 I am, and then Winner said say waala, which in 0:05:56.240 --> 0:05:58.599 Arabic is you know, swear to God. It's quite important 0:05:58.600 --> 0:06:01.000 thing for Ferris to say. Paris looked at him straightly, 0:06:01.040 --> 0:06:03.800 Iron said walla, and I thought, ge if he has 0:06:03.800 --> 0:06:07.039 said that, then they are definitely splitting the votes. Eileen 0:06:07.240 --> 0:06:09.440 is cast in the other vote. Eileen and I had 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:13.680 a difficult relationship because she constantly tried to tell me 0:06:13.720 --> 0:06:15.640 to keep an open mind and tried to get on 0:06:15.680 --> 0:06:17.360 a good side to my face, and then time and 0:06:17.400 --> 0:06:20.200 time again over the past even I mean, I'm gonna 0:06:20.200 --> 0:06:22.080 say the past couple of days. It was really since 0:06:22.240 --> 0:06:24.560 we all kind of landed on the New Titans beach together, 0:06:24.760 --> 0:06:27.599 people would come to me and say, Eileen's throwing your 0:06:27.640 --> 0:06:29.719 name out. She wants you gone, she wants rebel strong, 0:06:29.880 --> 0:06:33.039 rah rah. And I was very direct with everyone and 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:36.479 aired my grievances with Eileen and the rest of the 0:06:36.839 --> 0:06:40.159 tribe about Eileen being deceptive to people and playing double 0:06:40.200 --> 0:06:43.760 agent constantly. And she said to me, you're adding me 0:06:43.960 --> 0:06:47.760 and I don't appreciate it, essentially, probably not in those words, 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:50.120 but she said to me that she found me scary. 0:06:50.240 --> 0:06:52.440 It was one thing she said and she didn't like it. 0:06:52.480 --> 0:06:55.440 I was so direct and open in relation to her gameplay. 0:06:55.680 --> 0:06:58.600 So when the final vote, all the deciding vote was 0:06:58.600 --> 0:07:01.920 going to be with Eileen and Val and Iileen didn't 0:07:02.000 --> 0:07:05.840 have that background that Eileen and I had where Len's 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:08.680 game was being added. I thought it was pretty clear 0:07:08.720 --> 0:07:10.880 that the split was going to be across me, that 0:07:11.080 --> 0:07:13.960 Kirby was going to vote for Ray and that I'm 0:07:14.000 --> 0:07:16.200 winner would play his idol or the idol that I 0:07:16.240 --> 0:07:18.280 only found out he had at that point, and that 0:07:18.360 --> 0:07:20.520 I'd be going home. So that's kind of it was 0:07:20.560 --> 0:07:23.320 a few moments that kind of clicked in my mind 0:07:23.600 --> 0:07:26.000 and I thought, Gee, this does not look good. 0:07:26.360 --> 0:07:30.400 Honestly, I'm in Faris and Eileen were handed a lifeline 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:34.320 with JLP's tribal council. Whiz Are you cross with that? 0:07:34.480 --> 0:07:34.760 Now? 0:07:34.960 --> 0:07:38.680 I think when I was scouring the internet about you 0:07:38.800 --> 0:07:41.040 leaving the show last night, from last night to this morning, 0:07:41.200 --> 0:07:43.080 I feel like that's the most appropriate question to ask 0:07:43.120 --> 0:07:45.440 you you cross that something sort of changed in the 0:07:45.440 --> 0:07:47.720 game just in that particular tribal council. 0:07:48.000 --> 0:07:51.400 I have been thinking about this question for the past 0:07:51.440 --> 0:07:54.800 six months, and you know, part of me thinks, to 0:07:54.840 --> 0:07:57.560 myself or that survivor, there are going to be twists. 0:07:57.680 --> 0:08:00.600 There are going to be conveniently time twists, you know, 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:03.320 in certain respects as well, and that's just how the 0:08:03.400 --> 0:08:05.520 chips fell, and I need to make peace with that. 0:08:05.840 --> 0:08:09.000 But then you know the other side of me thinks, well, 0:08:09.080 --> 0:08:11.480 I've played twenty one days out there of this game, 0:08:11.760 --> 0:08:14.240 and I was very calculated and careful in how I 0:08:14.240 --> 0:08:15.640 played the game. I thought I was in a really 0:08:15.680 --> 0:08:18.200 good position where a lot of people from the og 0:08:18.360 --> 0:08:21.360 Titans tribe and the og Rebels tribe really trusted me, 0:08:21.520 --> 0:08:23.239 and I thought I was in a really good position. 0:08:23.480 --> 0:08:25.280 And for a twist to ruin. 0:08:25.080 --> 0:08:26.840 My game, you've been crying at night. 0:08:27.200 --> 0:08:29.920 I've been in a fetal position, night and day. No. 0:08:30.000 --> 0:08:32.280 But that being said, I mean, really, if I landed 0:08:32.280 --> 0:08:34.760 that last Dan bag, then I would have gotten through. 0:08:34.800 --> 0:08:38.880 So it's not just production that led to me going home. 0:08:38.880 --> 0:08:40.520 With a twist that led to me going home. I 0:08:40.559 --> 0:08:43.160 had a chance to get through and I didn't get through, though, 0:08:43.320 --> 0:08:45.480 you know, well done to Ferris and Eileen, but. 0:08:45.679 --> 0:08:48.200 They also got to flush the idol and boot an 0:08:48.200 --> 0:08:52.960 original Titan Like. It was exactly exactly good television exactly. 0:08:53.120 --> 0:08:55.000 People say, you know, it must have been a bittersweet 0:08:55.120 --> 0:08:58.680 being in such a memorable trible and it was I 0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:02.559 think more bitter for me, But it's sweet looking back 0:09:02.600 --> 0:09:05.480 on the fact that I got to experience the game overall, 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:06.800 so that was really special. 0:09:06.880 --> 0:09:09.040 I think it was sort of clear that Kirby's alliance 0:09:09.160 --> 0:09:12.800 was going to annihilate Ferris, and the survivor gods were 0:09:12.800 --> 0:09:15.600 probably just too tempted, you know, without a Ferris versus 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:19.520 Kirby storyline to continue to merge, the story might not 0:09:19.600 --> 0:09:21.440 have been so compelling, you know what I mean. 0:09:21.679 --> 0:09:23.880 Yeah, although I mean there were a lot of other 0:09:23.920 --> 0:09:26.520 players out there as well. They had a lot of 0:09:26.559 --> 0:09:29.680 crafty gameplay, so I mean it might not have been compelling. 0:09:29.760 --> 0:09:31.640 But I also think a lot of the time that 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:36.480 I mean, the Kirby Ferris narrative is amazing, and they're 0:09:36.480 --> 0:09:38.920 two incredible players, but there are a bunch of other 0:09:38.960 --> 0:09:41.240 players out there that you don't see that much, that 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:44.760 maybe just have a slightly different and more tactful style 0:09:45.200 --> 0:09:48.240 than a Ferris or a Kirby. So anyway, I like 0:09:48.280 --> 0:09:50.959 to think that if they did not change things up 0:09:51.160 --> 0:09:54.760 that things could have been still interesting organically. But when 0:09:54.760 --> 0:09:56.880 I say organically, I mean the twist is part of 0:09:57.000 --> 0:09:59.280 Survivor as well, so it's all part and past a lot. 0:09:59.120 --> 0:10:01.559 Of it in some way. So you still still can 0:10:01.600 --> 0:10:04.920 feel like collateral damage to a bigger move, do you 0:10:05.000 --> 0:10:07.240 know what I mean? Like, yeah, yeah, and that's fair too. 0:10:07.520 --> 0:10:09.480 Yeah. And I think you asked me some of these 0:10:09.520 --> 0:10:12.160 questions a couple of days ago. I would have given 0:10:12.200 --> 0:10:15.800 a more zen answer than having a refresh in my mind. 0:10:15.880 --> 0:10:17.880 Last night, I was kind of like, damn you. 0:10:18.440 --> 0:10:20.520 I think that's fine, you know what I mean, Like, 0:10:20.800 --> 0:10:23.440 it's hard when you put I think, to get to 0:10:23.480 --> 0:10:25.560 apply for a show like this, and to get on 0:10:25.600 --> 0:10:27.720 a show like this and then to play it, it's 0:10:27.720 --> 0:10:31.479 really hard for the audience at home to understand the investment. 0:10:31.920 --> 0:10:34.080 I think you're totally allowed to And I say this 0:10:34.160 --> 0:10:37.000 to all reality TV people, You're totally allowed to feel 0:10:37.200 --> 0:10:40.120 however you want about this whole situation. Some people might 0:10:40.240 --> 0:10:42.400 just brush it off and that's fine, and others it 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:43.160 might take longer. 0:10:43.360 --> 0:10:45.560 Yeah, exactly, And I think that's something that I mean. 0:10:45.559 --> 0:10:48.040 I was looking forward to seeing last night episode to 0:10:48.080 --> 0:10:50.679 get some closure in relation to it, and I think 0:10:50.720 --> 0:10:52.679 it'll just take a little bit of time to you know, 0:10:52.720 --> 0:10:55.079 not blame other people, not blame myself, but just kind 0:10:55.080 --> 0:10:56.280 of be at peace with it generally. 0:10:56.360 --> 0:10:58.680 So is it closure or is it opening a wound? 0:10:58.679 --> 0:11:00.000 I don't know whether that's exactly. 0:11:00.440 --> 0:11:02.600 I think it's probably opening a wind a little bit 0:11:02.760 --> 0:11:04.400 just to fix it. That's probably how I like to 0:11:04.440 --> 0:11:07.240 see it. So fix the wound up and it'll be 0:11:07.240 --> 0:11:09.280 better in the long run. So but it was a 0:11:09.280 --> 0:11:11.680 really cool experience and I'm really grateful to be a 0:11:11.720 --> 0:11:13.719 part of it. Notwithstanding the way I left, Like, I 0:11:14.240 --> 0:11:16.679 wouldn't change anything about my game leading up to that 0:11:16.760 --> 0:11:18.480 trible you know, it might have been a little bit 0:11:18.520 --> 0:11:20.880 more diplomatic in the first part of the trouble given 0:11:20.880 --> 0:11:23.600 the outcome, But you know, I think I played a 0:11:23.679 --> 0:11:25.800 decent game. It's a shame that a lot of people 0:11:25.840 --> 0:11:28.040 didn't get to see different sides of my game, but 0:11:28.080 --> 0:11:30.000 that's part of it as well. And there are some players, 0:11:30.040 --> 0:11:32.600 like you know, for example, Scott that hasn't had that 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:35.679 much screen time, and he's like an incredible player and 0:11:35.880 --> 0:11:39.320 just like so warm and charming, and people felt so 0:11:39.640 --> 0:11:42.040 comfortable with him and didn't want to know, didn't want 0:11:42.040 --> 0:11:44.200 to cross him. It wasn't even you know, a thought 0:11:44.240 --> 0:11:47.040 that crossed people's mind because he was so lovely and 0:11:47.120 --> 0:11:50.120 smart and good at challenges and all that type of stuff. 0:11:50.240 --> 0:11:52.240 But hopefully in the coming episodes you'll see a lot 0:11:52.240 --> 0:11:53.160 more of Scotty as well. 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:55.480 Yeah, he looks like someone another person that I'm looking 0:11:55.480 --> 0:11:56.680 forward to talking to the best. 0:11:57.000 --> 0:11:57.560 You love him. 0:11:57.760 --> 0:11:59.760 What are you thinking about Winner though? Because I mean, 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:01.439 do you think it was the right thing to do? 0:12:01.520 --> 0:12:03.280 And if you were in his position, would you have 0:12:03.280 --> 0:12:05.240 played the idol for yourself or would you have played 0:12:05.240 --> 0:12:07.400 it for you We obviously know that the outcome probably 0:12:07.400 --> 0:12:09.800 wouldn't have been any different, but I just wondered what 0:12:09.880 --> 0:12:12.720 your thoughts on him looking after himself in that situation 0:12:12.960 --> 0:12:15.520 over offering it to you after Kirby said to do so. 0:12:15.760 --> 0:12:19.720 I think, you know, hindsight it's a wonderful thing, and 0:12:19.800 --> 0:12:21.959 you can kind of look at the episode and reflect 0:12:22.000 --> 0:12:24.200 on what you would have done in that situation. That 0:12:24.280 --> 0:12:26.160 being said, you know, being in that tribal and it 0:12:26.240 --> 0:12:30.559 being so intense, I know I'm fairly certain that if 0:12:30.600 --> 0:12:32.160 I was in the Winner's position, I would have played 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:35.240 the idol for myself. So it would have taken a 0:12:35.280 --> 0:12:37.920 lot for him to or for me to give it 0:12:38.000 --> 0:12:40.880 up to him. Yeah, but you know there was a 0:12:40.960 --> 0:12:43.040 chance that there was going to be two votes on me. 0:12:43.480 --> 0:12:45.560 He didn't know that. I didn't know that. And so 0:12:45.600 --> 0:12:48.400 in those circumstances, well, you play the most precious scene 0:12:48.400 --> 0:12:50.480 that you have in your bag for someone else when 0:12:50.480 --> 0:12:54.000 there's some uncertainty. If it was very very clear cut, 0:12:54.280 --> 0:12:56.640 then perhaps play an idle for someone else. But I mean, 0:12:56.640 --> 0:12:58.520 you've got to hold onto those things with your life 0:12:58.600 --> 0:13:01.240 and play them for yourself. It's really the only lifeline 0:13:01.240 --> 0:13:01.960 that you've got out. 0:13:01.840 --> 0:13:04.880 There when there's no rewards challenge, And that's kind of 0:13:04.880 --> 0:13:06.559 what happened last night. Did the players start to think 0:13:06.559 --> 0:13:08.679 that something else is coming? Like I wanted to ask 0:13:08.760 --> 0:13:11.280 you about who had the best conspiracy theories on that 0:13:11.400 --> 0:13:14.720 beach when it came to oh, there's something significant missing 0:13:14.760 --> 0:13:16.760 from our routine. What does that mean? 0:13:17.120 --> 0:13:20.800 I think when Scott first saw the Immunity Idol Chalis thing, 0:13:21.080 --> 0:13:25.360 he turned to me and said, this, this is immunity challenge. 0:13:25.480 --> 0:13:29.199 They're shaking things up, the orders mixed up. This isn't great, 0:13:29.400 --> 0:13:31.480 and so he picked it straight away. But I mean, 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:35.160 Scott super perceptive dudes and just picked up on things 0:13:35.200 --> 0:13:38.080 like that. So I definitely had it to him for 0:13:38.080 --> 0:13:40.880 picking it within a split second of rocking up to 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:41.600 that challenge. 0:13:41.679 --> 0:13:43.280 And it's hard not to do those things, you know, 0:13:43.320 --> 0:13:45.280 and you get told don't talk about production, don't talk 0:13:45.320 --> 0:13:47.080 about these things. But when you're in a routine of 0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:49.320 a show like this, as soon as you see something 0:13:49.440 --> 0:13:53.280 slightly different, intinly what does that mean exactly? 0:13:53.600 --> 0:13:55.439 And so it didn't make a lot of sense at 0:13:55.440 --> 0:13:59.480 the time, and so the kind of natural thought was 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:01.959 going to shake things up a little bit being there. 0:14:02.000 --> 0:14:04.400 You don't know, I mean, realistically, you don't know whether 0:14:04.440 --> 0:14:05.960 it's going to be they're going to slice and dice 0:14:05.960 --> 0:14:09.319 an episode here or there, or have some reward challenge 0:14:09.360 --> 0:14:12.560 after a tribal or something you know, might happen on 0:14:12.600 --> 0:14:15.320 someone's beach that's really interesting and they want to cram 0:14:15.400 --> 0:14:17.360 that into the end of an episode. So who knows. 0:14:17.400 --> 0:14:20.960 But in terms of something different happening, Scotty definitely definitely 0:14:20.960 --> 0:14:21.240 picked it. 0:14:21.360 --> 0:14:24.040 First, I want to talk to you about Kirby and 0:14:24.080 --> 0:14:27.240 your alliance. You know, do you think that with aligning 0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:29.680 with Kirby in reflection that she did enough to look 0:14:29.720 --> 0:14:32.000 after you and Winner, because I mean, you kind of 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:34.960 signed up to her side. But then I read online 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:37.960 fans for calling you both you and Winner seagulls to 0:14:38.040 --> 0:14:39.040 her alliance. 0:14:39.360 --> 0:14:41.160 I haven't heard that before. 0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:43.640 I mean, I thought that the seagull reference was probably 0:14:43.720 --> 0:14:45.720 a little bit poor, but it did sort of beg 0:14:45.760 --> 0:14:48.880 the question about your alliance with Kirby and where you 0:14:48.960 --> 0:14:52.000 sat in her order of people. It's kind of like, 0:14:52.320 --> 0:14:54.040 did you think she looked after you enough. 0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:58.000 I'm not sure where the seagull line came from, but 0:14:58.560 --> 0:15:02.280 I don't feel as though who Herby owed us anything 0:15:02.600 --> 0:15:05.480 at that particular point. The reason why we went with 0:15:05.680 --> 0:15:08.640 Kirby's alliance was basically we didn't want to be on 0:15:08.680 --> 0:15:11.920 the bottom of an alliance of four, especially in circumstances 0:15:11.920 --> 0:15:15.440 where Ferris and Garret were running the show and having 0:15:15.440 --> 0:15:19.680 conversations alone between themselves and didn't include anyone including Ray 0:15:19.720 --> 0:15:22.800 and Eileen, and Eileen had constantly tried to get me 0:15:22.840 --> 0:15:25.520 on side to my face, was gunning for me behind 0:15:25.520 --> 0:15:27.840 my back, and a whole range of people on both 0:15:27.880 --> 0:15:31.160 sides of the alliance told me that. So there were 0:15:31.560 --> 0:15:33.320 kind of two main factors. One of them was the 0:15:33.360 --> 0:15:36.280 social side of being, you know, not really wanting to 0:15:36.280 --> 0:15:39.080 be aligned with Ferris, Garrick and Eileen. I think I 0:15:39.120 --> 0:15:41.760 could have definitely worked with Ray Moore, but also the 0:15:41.840 --> 0:15:44.840 kind of alliance of equals matching up with an alliance 0:15:44.880 --> 0:15:48.080 of three good Kirby have done more in the Final 0:15:48.120 --> 0:15:51.080 Trouble Council to help me out or help us OG 0:15:51.200 --> 0:15:53.880 Titans out, I don't really think so. Like she could 0:15:53.880 --> 0:15:55.600 have just blown things up a little bit more and 0:15:55.640 --> 0:15:57.840 made them a little bit more interesting by going at 0:15:57.920 --> 0:16:01.120 Ferris and Eileen more, but that wasn't really in the 0:16:01.160 --> 0:16:02.960 interest of her long game because she'd have to go 0:16:03.000 --> 0:16:06.320 back to camp and either way have a pretty intense 0:16:06.360 --> 0:16:09.560 couple of discussions with the both of them. So anyway, 0:16:09.720 --> 0:16:12.440 I'll look into the meeting of Seagull and reflect on 0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:15.360 that morph. I didn't feel like a seagull out there, 0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:19.920 and my gameplay was calculated and covert from the start, 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:24.600 and going into that final tribal I found I thought 0:16:24.600 --> 0:16:26.880 that I was in a very very good position. I 0:16:27.080 --> 0:16:29.480 wasn't sticking my neck out all the time, but I 0:16:29.560 --> 0:16:32.600 was still in a position of having oversight across all 0:16:32.640 --> 0:16:35.640 of the votes, and until that vote came up against me, 0:16:36.600 --> 0:16:39.440 until that vote, those two votes were cast in the end, 0:16:39.720 --> 0:16:43.600 oh sorry, until Arleen's vote, my name hadn't been written 0:16:43.640 --> 0:16:46.400 down on a parchment at all. So yeah, anyway, I 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:48.600 felt like I could I could hold my own. And 0:16:49.160 --> 0:16:50.920 that's a very long winded way of saying. No, I 0:16:50.920 --> 0:16:55.280 don't think of a seagull. I don't think anythink if. 0:16:55.200 --> 0:16:56.760 We take the seagull part out of it, and we 0:16:56.840 --> 0:16:59.440 kind of looked at at Kirby's deck of cards, that's 0:16:59.480 --> 0:17:01.640 what I'd love to know from you, you know, like, 0:17:01.680 --> 0:17:04.400 if we're looking at Kirby's align, so we're looking at 0:17:04.400 --> 0:17:07.480 the aces and the jacks, where do you think that 0:17:07.480 --> 0:17:10.400 that hierarchy sits at the moment? Could you probably explain 0:17:10.480 --> 0:17:11.320 that a little bit. 0:17:11.200 --> 0:17:13.199 In terms of the hierarchy. And this is going to 0:17:13.200 --> 0:17:15.240 be tricky because I haven't thought about this much at all. 0:17:15.440 --> 0:17:18.760 Kirby and I had a lot in common and had 0:17:18.800 --> 0:17:22.800 a lot of those conversations leading up to the Garrick 0:17:22.880 --> 0:17:26.239 vote out, and we comforted each other a lot in 0:17:26.280 --> 0:17:29.120 relation to us being on each other's side. I think 0:17:29.119 --> 0:17:32.120 it was Scott that would have been underneath Kirby if 0:17:32.119 --> 0:17:34.359 you want to have Kirby at the top, and she's 0:17:34.400 --> 0:17:36.720 a strong player, so I think she probably deserves to 0:17:36.760 --> 0:17:39.800 be at least somewhere near the top. But Kirby and 0:17:39.800 --> 0:17:43.200 Scott were very tight, and then me, Kirby and Scott 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:45.919 were tight as well. I was, I became very close 0:17:45.960 --> 0:17:48.880 to Winner and Val. I mean they were each having 0:17:48.960 --> 0:17:52.280 their conversations with Barris and Co. And also Kirby and Co. 0:17:52.640 --> 0:17:55.479 But we're all kind of together trying to do our thing, 0:17:55.600 --> 0:17:57.800 making sure that people were going to throw us under 0:17:57.800 --> 0:18:00.000 the bus in the short term or the long term. 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:02.760