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Speaker 1: On today's episode with Charles, the ninth eliminated contestant from
Speaker 1: this year's A Strand Survivor on Network ten, I will
Speaker 1: be talking about his time in Samoa and of course
Speaker 1: what he thinks now that the smoke has well and
Speaker 1: truly been snuffed out of his torch. Astrainian Survivor Titans
Speaker 1: Versus Rebels is a showdown that pits the winners against
Speaker 1: the underdogs and the big wigs against the battlers, with
Speaker 1: each player competing for the grand prize of half a
Speaker 1: million dollars. Charles is a lawyer from Victoria. He started
Speaker 1: his game noticeably quiet, a character on the original Titans tribe. However,
Speaker 1: was that tribe switch that presented an opportunity for Charles
Speaker 1: to take control of his game. As he worked alongside
Speaker 1: Valeria and Winner to exploit the cracks between the Rebels
Speaker 1: faction and overcome the numerical disadvantage, we started to see
Speaker 1: some more entertaining elements surfacing from Charles, but a twist
Speaker 1: at his tribal council caused the voting powers within his
Speaker 1: majority alliance to be severed. The tables were then turned,
Speaker 1: with Ferris and Eileen holding the cards, who split their
Speaker 1: votes to secure Charles's blindside. Charles will talk about his
Speaker 1: exit from the show, unpacking his raw feelings about the
Speaker 1: way in which he found himself out of the game.
Speaker 1: We will talk about what we haven't been seeing from
Speaker 1: Charles and why there needs to be a Lord of
Speaker 1: the Ring sized version of each episode to catch some
Speaker 1: of his wittier comments. I will ask Charles about his
Speaker 1: insights into Ferris and Kirby's rivalry and who he thinks
Speaker 1: can't be trusted on that tribe. Plus, we will find
Speaker 1: out how we lied to his tribe and sabotaged everybody
Speaker 1: every day while he was on the beach of Samoa.
Speaker 1: There is so much to unpack with Charles, and he's
Speaker 1: actually really generous with his time. So sit back and
Speaker 1: relax as we dive just that little bit deeper into
Speaker 1: the world of Australian survivor. Hi, Charles, how are you
Speaker 1: mane roll with the punches? Hey?
Speaker 2: Totally and that survivor right, there are twists and turns
Speaker 2: and sometimes you're on the right side, sometimes you're on
Speaker 2: the wrong side, and that's what it is.
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone knew what the sides were because,
Speaker 1: like today, I actually had to do a diagram. You know,
Speaker 1: this is where you need like a George or a
Speaker 1: Shannon or someone like that to sort.
Speaker 2: Of friend sheet.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so there was probably like six sides to
Speaker 1: the dice.
Speaker 2: Totally anyway, what are the chances? But as I say,
Speaker 2: it is what it is.
Speaker 1: How did you go with trying to keep this a secret?
Speaker 1: Because I mean, this is probably the biggest twist of
Speaker 1: the series so far. Did you try and keep that
Speaker 1: under your hat or did you choose certain people? Like
Speaker 1: how did that play out?
Speaker 2: There is a document that requires me to say and oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: NDA is fairly seriously. So yeah, generally speaking, I had
Speaker 2: to I had to wait for them to see the
Speaker 2: twists unfold. But there was a period where I was
Speaker 2: home a little bit earlier than anticipated, and they'd kind
Speaker 2: of say, you know, did you get blindsided? And they
Speaker 2: were like, okay, well what happened? And I'd say, well,
Speaker 2: I can't tell you, so no, I didn't. I didn't
Speaker 2: you know, spill the beans, but I think a few
Speaker 2: people expected it's something funky happened. Well.
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed the Paul Keating quote. I also loved
Speaker 1: the clarification of the quote as well, and it made
Speaker 1: me think about Charles. I wanted more from you and
Speaker 1: I could have done with more of those quotes.
Speaker 2: I mean, there were quite a few that were peppered
Speaker 2: throughout my confessionals, but I think in the first like
Speaker 2: eight episodes or something, I think I had one confessional.
Speaker 2: Confessional came up with the first ten minutes of episode one,
Speaker 2: so I had a strong start, and then then for
Speaker 2: whatever reason, you know, related to the twist, I went quiet.
Speaker 2: There were quite a few quotes and maybe Channel ten
Speaker 2: or ESA we'll dig them up one day.
Speaker 1: The Lord of the Rings extended version of Survivor Titans
Speaker 1: Versus Rebels.
Speaker 2: Between me and Eden, I think there'd be quite a
Speaker 2: few quotes and different quotes as well.
Speaker 1: I can imagine Youtubo catching up after the show and
Speaker 1: swapping the notes on what did and didn't get put through. Anyway,
Speaker 1: there's pod there's a podcast for the two of you
Speaker 1: talking Survivor.
Speaker 2: I think Aiden will definitely be up for that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, i'd want to be I'd be subscribing, you know,
Speaker 1: in the world of politics. Though I thought about Valeria,
Speaker 1: was she right to take Ferris to task over his
Speaker 1: leadership ability?
Speaker 2: They are probably different leadership styles, and Ferris's leadership style
Speaker 2: didn't sit that well with me, Valeria or Winner. And
Speaker 2: that's not necessarily a criticism of Ferris's leadership ability, just
Speaker 2: didn't sit quite well with us. And the reason is
Speaker 2: because Ferris leads or in the game anyway, and the
Speaker 2: game's very different to real life. I must say, so
Speaker 2: Ferris leads by intimidation and kind of being the top dog.
Speaker 2: And I think I said in the Garrick vote out
Speaker 2: tribal that I couldn't have a conversation with someone about
Speaker 2: dinner without someone else in the tribe. And when I
Speaker 2: was referring to someone else, I meant Ferris or Garrick
Speaker 2: coming to me and saying, you know, hey, were you
Speaker 2: talking to what are you talking to Scott about? And
Speaker 2: then they'd go to Scott and say, what are you
Speaker 2: talking to Charles about? And it kind of put everyone
Speaker 2: on edge. And so if I mean, if that's Ferris's
Speaker 2: leadership style, then I don't think it was a very
Speaker 2: good one. That being said, he's still in the game,
Speaker 2: and I'm not so he got through.
Speaker 1: Anyone point out that his sort of smile was a
Speaker 1: bit like Shawnee's when it came to being in the
Speaker 1: tribal council.
Speaker 2: No, no one's pointed that out at all. Yeah, because
Speaker 2: Shane always kind of looked quite cheerful in like a
Speaker 2: scheming way. Ferris loves it as well. I think he
Speaker 2: loved Tribal. He thrived at tribal and he was very
Speaker 2: fine and everyone knew that. You know, he didn't mean
Speaker 2: anything by his comments. Most of the time. He was
Speaker 2: very much like that, and I think he and Shannie
Speaker 2: had that in common.
Speaker 1: I was just really curious about when it dawned on you,
Speaker 1: what was the moment that you thought, Okay, I am
Speaker 1: going home.
Speaker 2: At the point in time, I don't think they actually showed.
Speaker 2: So Winner basically turned to me and said, get votes
Speaker 2: on me. I think he was a lot clearer with Valve,
Speaker 2: but he said kind of get votes on me, and
Speaker 2: so I thought, okay, Well, when he's got a plan,
Speaker 2: it's probably got an idol. And then at that point
Speaker 2: as well, Winner just straight up asked Ferris are you
Speaker 2: going to vote for me tonight Ferris? And Ferris said
Speaker 2: I am, and then Winner said say waala, which in
Speaker 2: Arabic is you know, swear to God. It's quite important
Speaker 2: thing for Ferris to say. Paris looked at him straightly,
Speaker 2: Iron said walla, and I thought, ge if he has
Speaker 2: said that, then they are definitely splitting the votes. Eileen
Speaker 2: is cast in the other vote. Eileen and I had
Speaker 2: a difficult relationship because she constantly tried to tell me
Speaker 2: to keep an open mind and tried to get on
Speaker 2: a good side to my face, and then time and
Speaker 2: time again over the past even I mean, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: say the past couple of days. It was really since
Speaker 2: we all kind of landed on the New Titans beach together,
Speaker 2: people would come to me and say, Eileen's throwing your
Speaker 2: name out. She wants you gone, she wants rebel strong,
Speaker 2: rah rah. And I was very direct with everyone and
Speaker 2: aired my grievances with Eileen and the rest of the
Speaker 2: tribe about Eileen being deceptive to people and playing double
Speaker 2: agent constantly. And she said to me, you're adding me
Speaker 2: and I don't appreciate it, essentially, probably not in those words,
Speaker 2: but she said to me that she found me scary.
Speaker 2: It was one thing she said and she didn't like it.
Speaker 2: I was so direct and open in relation to her gameplay.
Speaker 2: So when the final vote, all the deciding vote was
Speaker 2: going to be with Eileen and Val and Iileen didn't
Speaker 2: have that background that Eileen and I had where Len's
Speaker 2: game was being added. I thought it was pretty clear
Speaker 2: that the split was going to be across me, that
Speaker 2: Kirby was going to vote for Ray and that I'm
Speaker 2: winner would play his idol or the idol that I
Speaker 2: only found out he had at that point, and that
Speaker 2: I'd be going home. So that's kind of it was
Speaker 2: a few moments that kind of clicked in my mind
Speaker 2: and I thought, Gee, this does not look good.
Speaker 1: Honestly, I'm in Faris and Eileen were handed a lifeline
Speaker 1: with JLP's tribal council. Whiz Are you cross with that?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: I think when I was scouring the internet about you
Speaker 1: leaving the show last night, from last night to this morning,
Speaker 1: I feel like that's the most appropriate question to ask
Speaker 1: you you cross that something sort of changed in the
Speaker 1: game just in that particular tribal council.
Speaker 2: I have been thinking about this question for the past
Speaker 2: six months, and you know, part of me thinks, to
Speaker 2: myself or that survivor, there are going to be twists.
Speaker 2: There are going to be conveniently time twists, you know,
Speaker 2: in certain respects as well, and that's just how the
Speaker 2: chips fell, and I need to make peace with that.
Speaker 2: But then you know the other side of me thinks, well,
Speaker 2: I've played twenty one days out there of this game,
Speaker 2: and I was very calculated and careful in how I
Speaker 2: played the game. I thought I was in a really
Speaker 2: good position where a lot of people from the og
Speaker 2: Titans tribe and the og Rebels tribe really trusted me,
Speaker 2: and I thought I was in a really good position.
Speaker 2: And for a twist to ruin.
Speaker 1: My game, you've been crying at night.
Speaker 2: I've been in a fetal position, night and day. No.
Speaker 2: But that being said, I mean, really, if I landed
Speaker 2: that last Dan bag, then I would have gotten through.
Speaker 2: So it's not just production that led to me going home.
Speaker 2: With a twist that led to me going home. I
Speaker 2: had a chance to get through and I didn't get through, though,
Speaker 2: you know, well done to Ferris and Eileen, but.
Speaker 1: They also got to flush the idol and boot an
Speaker 1: original Titan Like. It was exactly exactly good television exactly.
Speaker 2: People say, you know, it must have been a bittersweet
Speaker 2: being in such a memorable trible and it was I
Speaker 2: think more bitter for me, But it's sweet looking back
Speaker 2: on the fact that I got to experience the game overall,
Speaker 2: so that was really special.
Speaker 1: I think it was sort of clear that Kirby's alliance
Speaker 1: was going to annihilate Ferris, and the survivor gods were
Speaker 1: probably just too tempted, you know, without a Ferris versus
Speaker 1: Kirby storyline to continue to merge, the story might not
Speaker 1: have been so compelling, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, although I mean there were a lot of other
Speaker 2: players out there as well. They had a lot of
Speaker 2: crafty gameplay, so I mean it might not have been compelling.
Speaker 2: But I also think a lot of the time that
Speaker 2: I mean, the Kirby Ferris narrative is amazing, and they're
Speaker 2: two incredible players, but there are a bunch of other
Speaker 2: players out there that you don't see that much, that
Speaker 2: maybe just have a slightly different and more tactful style
Speaker 2: than a Ferris or a Kirby. So anyway, I like
Speaker 2: to think that if they did not change things up
Speaker 2: that things could have been still interesting organically. But when
Speaker 2: I say organically, I mean the twist is part of
Speaker 2: Survivor as well, so it's all part and past a lot.
Speaker 1: Of it in some way. So you still still can
Speaker 1: feel like collateral damage to a bigger move, do you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like, yeah, yeah, and that's fair too.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I think you asked me some of these
Speaker 2: questions a couple of days ago. I would have given
Speaker 2: a more zen answer than having a refresh in my mind.
Speaker 2: Last night, I was kind of like, damn you.
Speaker 1: I think that's fine, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 1: it's hard when you put I think, to get to
Speaker 1: apply for a show like this, and to get on
Speaker 1: a show like this and then to play it, it's
Speaker 1: really hard for the audience at home to understand the investment.
Speaker 1: I think you're totally allowed to And I say this
Speaker 1: to all reality TV people, You're totally allowed to feel
Speaker 1: however you want about this whole situation. Some people might
Speaker 1: just brush it off and that's fine, and others it
Speaker 1: might take longer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, And I think that's something that I mean.
Speaker 2: I was looking forward to seeing last night episode to
Speaker 2: get some closure in relation to it, and I think
Speaker 2: it'll just take a little bit of time to you know,
Speaker 2: not blame other people, not blame myself, but just kind
Speaker 2: of be at peace with it generally.
Speaker 1: So is it closure or is it opening a wound?
Speaker 1: I don't know whether that's exactly.
Speaker 2: I think it's probably opening a wind a little bit
Speaker 2: just to fix it. That's probably how I like to
Speaker 2: see it. So fix the wound up and it'll be
Speaker 2: better in the long run. So but it was a
Speaker 2: really cool experience and I'm really grateful to be a
Speaker 2: part of it. Notwithstanding the way I left, Like, I
Speaker 2: wouldn't change anything about my game leading up to that
Speaker 2: trible you know, it might have been a little bit
Speaker 2: more diplomatic in the first part of the trouble given
Speaker 2: the outcome, But you know, I think I played a
Speaker 2: decent game. It's a shame that a lot of people
Speaker 2: didn't get to see different sides of my game, but
Speaker 2: that's part of it as well. And there are some players,
Speaker 2: like you know, for example, Scott that hasn't had that
Speaker 2: much screen time, and he's like an incredible player and
Speaker 2: just like so warm and charming, and people felt so
Speaker 2: comfortable with him and didn't want to know, didn't want
Speaker 2: to cross him. It wasn't even you know, a thought
Speaker 2: that crossed people's mind because he was so lovely and
Speaker 2: smart and good at challenges and all that type of stuff.
Speaker 2: But hopefully in the coming episodes you'll see a lot
Speaker 2: more of Scotty as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he looks like someone another person that I'm looking
Speaker 1: forward to talking to the best.
Speaker 2: You love him.
Speaker 1: What are you thinking about Winner though? Because I mean,
Speaker 1: do you think it was the right thing to do?
Speaker 1: And if you were in his position, would you have
Speaker 1: played the idol for yourself or would you have played
Speaker 1: it for you We obviously know that the outcome probably
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been any different, but I just wondered what
Speaker 1: your thoughts on him looking after himself in that situation
Speaker 1: over offering it to you after Kirby said to do so.
Speaker 2: I think, you know, hindsight it's a wonderful thing, and
Speaker 2: you can kind of look at the episode and reflect
Speaker 2: on what you would have done in that situation. That
Speaker 2: being said, you know, being in that tribal and it
Speaker 2: being so intense, I know I'm fairly certain that if
Speaker 2: I was in the Winner's position, I would have played
Speaker 2: the idol for myself. So it would have taken a
Speaker 2: lot for him to or for me to give it
Speaker 2: up to him. Yeah, but you know there was a
Speaker 2: chance that there was going to be two votes on me.
Speaker 2: He didn't know that. I didn't know that. And so
Speaker 2: in those circumstances, well, you play the most precious scene
Speaker 2: that you have in your bag for someone else when
Speaker 2: there's some uncertainty. If it was very very clear cut,
Speaker 2: then perhaps play an idle for someone else. But I mean,
Speaker 2: you've got to hold onto those things with your life
Speaker 2: and play them for yourself. It's really the only lifeline
Speaker 2: that you've got out.
Speaker 1: There when there's no rewards challenge, And that's kind of
Speaker 1: what happened last night. Did the players start to think
Speaker 1: that something else is coming? Like I wanted to ask
Speaker 1: you about who had the best conspiracy theories on that
Speaker 1: beach when it came to oh, there's something significant missing
Speaker 1: from our routine. What does that mean?
Speaker 2: I think when Scott first saw the Immunity Idol Chalis thing,
Speaker 2: he turned to me and said, this, this is immunity challenge.
Speaker 2: They're shaking things up, the orders mixed up. This isn't great,
Speaker 2: and so he picked it straight away. But I mean,
Speaker 2: Scott super perceptive dudes and just picked up on things
Speaker 2: like that. So I definitely had it to him for
Speaker 2: picking it within a split second of rocking up to
Speaker 2: that challenge.
Speaker 1: And it's hard not to do those things, you know,
Speaker 1: and you get told don't talk about production, don't talk
Speaker 1: about these things. But when you're in a routine of
Speaker 1: a show like this, as soon as you see something
Speaker 1: slightly different, intinly what does that mean exactly?
Speaker 2: And so it didn't make a lot of sense at
Speaker 2: the time, and so the kind of natural thought was
Speaker 2: going to shake things up a little bit being there.
Speaker 2: You don't know, I mean, realistically, you don't know whether
Speaker 2: it's going to be they're going to slice and dice
Speaker 2: an episode here or there, or have some reward challenge
Speaker 2: after a tribal or something you know, might happen on
Speaker 2: someone's beach that's really interesting and they want to cram
Speaker 2: that into the end of an episode. So who knows.
Speaker 2: But in terms of something different happening, Scotty definitely definitely
Speaker 2: picked it.
Speaker 1: First, I want to talk to you about Kirby and
Speaker 1: your alliance. You know, do you think that with aligning
Speaker 1: with Kirby in reflection that she did enough to look
Speaker 1: after you and Winner, because I mean, you kind of
Speaker 1: signed up to her side. But then I read online
Speaker 1: fans for calling you both you and Winner seagulls to
Speaker 1: her alliance.
Speaker 2: I haven't heard that before.
Speaker 1: I mean, I thought that the seagull reference was probably
Speaker 1: a little bit poor, but it did sort of beg
Speaker 1: the question about your alliance with Kirby and where you
Speaker 1: sat in her order of people. It's kind of like,
Speaker 1: did you think she looked after you enough.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure where the seagull line came from, but
Speaker 2: I don't feel as though who Herby owed us anything
Speaker 2: at that particular point. The reason why we went with
Speaker 2: Kirby's alliance was basically we didn't want to be on
Speaker 2: the bottom of an alliance of four, especially in circumstances
Speaker 2: where Ferris and Garret were running the show and having
Speaker 2: conversations alone between themselves and didn't include anyone including Ray
Speaker 2: and Eileen, and Eileen had constantly tried to get me
Speaker 2: on side to my face, was gunning for me behind
Speaker 2: my back, and a whole range of people on both
Speaker 2: sides of the alliance told me that. So there were
Speaker 2: kind of two main factors. One of them was the
Speaker 2: social side of being, you know, not really wanting to
Speaker 2: be aligned with Ferris, Garrick and Eileen. I think I
Speaker 2: could have definitely worked with Ray Moore, but also the
Speaker 2: kind of alliance of equals matching up with an alliance
Speaker 2: of three good Kirby have done more in the Final
Speaker 2: Trouble Council to help me out or help us OG
Speaker 2: Titans out, I don't really think so. Like she could
Speaker 2: have just blown things up a little bit more and
Speaker 2: made them a little bit more interesting by going at
Speaker 2: Ferris and Eileen more, but that wasn't really in the
Speaker 2: interest of her long game because she'd have to go
Speaker 2: back to camp and either way have a pretty intense
Speaker 2: couple of discussions with the both of them. So anyway,
Speaker 2: I'll look into the meeting of Seagull and reflect on
Speaker 2: that morph. I didn't feel like a seagull out there,
Speaker 2: and my gameplay was calculated and covert from the start,
Speaker 2: and going into that final tribal I found I thought
Speaker 2: that I was in a very very good position. I
Speaker 2: wasn't sticking my neck out all the time, but I
Speaker 2: was still in a position of having oversight across all
Speaker 2: of the votes, and until that vote came up against me,
Speaker 2: until that vote, those two votes were cast in the end,
Speaker 2: oh sorry, until Arleen's vote, my name hadn't been written
Speaker 2: down on a parchment at all. So yeah, anyway, I
Speaker 2: felt like I could I could hold my own. And
Speaker 2: that's a very long winded way of saying. No, I
Speaker 2: don't think of a seagull. I don't think anythink if.
Speaker 1: We take the seagull part out of it, and we
Speaker 1: kind of looked at at Kirby's deck of cards, that's
Speaker 1: what I'd love to know from you, you know, like,
Speaker 1: if we're looking at Kirby's align, so we're looking at
Speaker 1: the aces and the jacks, where do you think that
Speaker 1: that hierarchy sits at the moment? Could you probably explain
Speaker 1: that a little bit.
Speaker 2: In terms of the hierarchy. And this is going to
Speaker 2: be tricky because I haven't thought about this much at all.
Speaker 2: Kirby and I had a lot in common and had
Speaker 2: a lot of those conversations leading up to the Garrick
Speaker 2: vote out, and we comforted each other a lot in
Speaker 2: relation to us being on each other's side. I think
Speaker 2: it was Scott that would have been underneath Kirby if
Speaker 2: you want to have Kirby at the top, and she's
Speaker 2: a strong player, so I think she probably deserves to
Speaker 2: be at least somewhere near the top. But Kirby and
Speaker 2: Scott were very tight, and then me, Kirby and Scott
Speaker 2: were tight as well. I was, I became very close
Speaker 2: to Winner and Val. I mean they were each having
Speaker 2: their conversations with Barris and Co. And also Kirby and Co.
Speaker 2: But we're all kind of together trying to do our thing,
Speaker 2: making sure that people were going to throw us under
Speaker 2: the bus in the short term or the long term.
Speaker 2: And I think probably Kelly was the one that was
Speaker 2: viewed by Kirby and Scott as someone that was hard
Speaker 2: to manage. And I think Kelly was very hard to
Speaker 2: manage and therefore someone that they could see themselves voting
Speaker 2: for in the short term or the kind of a
Speaker 2: medium term. So I think it was it was actually
Speaker 2: Kelly who was on the bottom of the pecking order
Speaker 2: in that respect.
Speaker 1: But I think that's what happens. You know, the fallout
Speaker 1: from last night's tribal council as well is obviously going
Speaker 1: to play itself out in a different way. What about
Speaker 1: your prediction of how this will affect the Raymond or
Speaker 1: other people's game once the sun rises tomorrow. Do you
Speaker 1: think there is going to be a big fallout from
Speaker 1: your exit from the show.
Speaker 2: It's really hard to say. I mean, ray is such
Speaker 2: a likable dude and such a lovely dude. I think
Speaker 2: that's starting to come across through the TV, which is
Speaker 2: really nice to see because he really deserves that. And
Speaker 2: he was just so nice and kind and funny. And
Speaker 2: I think who's probably and sorry just gone on to Ferris.
Speaker 2: Ferris is someone who will make the best of a
Speaker 2: bad situation all the time, which she's a really good trait,
Speaker 2: and I think Eileen to an extent as well. Although
Speaker 2: Eileen has flipped on pretty much everyone I think at
Speaker 2: this point, and people just don't trust her. So it's
Speaker 2: going to be really hard for Eileen to find an
Speaker 2: alliance that she can come into where people believe what
Speaker 2: she says and know that she's going to be, you know,
Speaker 2: direct and that kind of ride or die person. So
Speaker 2: things might get pretty tough for Eileen, I suspect, but
Speaker 2: who knows, she could kind of pull a rabbit out
Speaker 2: of a hat and you know, become best friends with
Speaker 2: someone an unlikely line.
Speaker 1: I think she's quite valuable. I think she could change,
Speaker 1: like you know, don't I don't even think that Ferris
Speaker 1: should be really trusting her, Like I think she's one
Speaker 1: of those players that's just doing her own thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think she is doing her own thing. But
Speaker 2: that being said, like it's a social game, and social
Speaker 2: based on social tires, and social tires built on trust,
Speaker 2: and Alene just doesn't have the trust of anyone really
Speaker 2: at that point, because you kind of.
Speaker 1: Called her a snake at the end of the game,
Speaker 1: which I thought was really think we did call her
Speaker 1: a snake. And the funny thing about that is that
Speaker 1: your all snakes, like everyone in.
Speaker 2: There, ah exactly, and like we all had our snaky moments.
Speaker 2: But the thing about Eileene is that she just kind
Speaker 2: of kept on coming for me, and she had she
Speaker 2: just kind of constantly had these snaky moments from the
Speaker 2: time that I landed we landed on the beach together
Speaker 2: up until the end of that trouble Council was just
Speaker 2: like constantly coming for me. There wasn't snake isn't the
Speaker 2: best mine on reflection, but she was definitely very devious
Speaker 2: and what she did didn't make a lot of sense
Speaker 2: to me. But anyway, I've.
Speaker 1: Been asking everyone to finish this sentence in the game
Speaker 1: of Survivor.
Speaker 2: In the game of Survivor, nothing can prepare you for
Speaker 2: how crappy and uncomfortable and dirty and sleep deprived you
Speaker 2: will feel. I think it was like night one where
Speaker 2: we were all just in our shelter with the leaks
Speaker 2: through the roof that had been torrential rain. It was
Speaker 2: hot and wet and cold and damp, and our clothes
Speaker 2: were wet, and people when it got hold her into
Speaker 2: the night, people started shivering. Someone turned, i think even
Speaker 2: turned to me and was like, this is real. Production
Speaker 2: aren't going to save us. So everything you see out
Speaker 2: there is like so real, and nothing can prepare you
Speaker 2: for like the actual experience there. So you can try
Speaker 2: all you like, but yeah, nothing can prepare you for
Speaker 2: that part of things, which is just so uncomfortable. On
Speaker 2: the hunger as well, my god, yeah, the hunger is
Speaker 2: is yeah.
Speaker 1: Is it what people say when they get eliminated. They're like,
Speaker 1: I have been eliminated. I'm so disappointed, but also thank god.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly like there was. I sent a photo to
Speaker 2: my wife after that final elimination, and she was like, wow,
Speaker 2: you look terrible, like terrible, like, you look dirty, you
Speaker 2: look gaunt, like what have they done to you? So anyway,
Speaker 2: but it's all part of it, and that's kind of
Speaker 2: what makes it such a cool experience as well.
Speaker 1: The last question I ask is what if something from
Speaker 1: behind the scenes, something we didn't get a chance to see.
Speaker 2: I don't want to break any secrets or any secrets,
Speaker 2: but considering that Violer, I think has done this previously
Speaker 2: and it's now largely public knowledge. So when we won
Speaker 2: the fishing equipment, I was a little bit uneasy because
Speaker 2: I'm a vegan and I didn't want the tribe killing fish,
Speaker 2: eating fish without me, excluding me from the ritual of eating.
Speaker 2: So what I did and oh my god, if they
Speaker 2: mixed that fish with my beans and rice, I would
Speaker 2: have died. So as a vegan, I wasn't thrilled about that.
Speaker 2: So what I did is I told them that I
Speaker 2: was an expert fisherman. I have done a lot of
Speaker 2: fishing before I was vegan, so I knew quite a
Speaker 2: bit about it. But I said to them, you know,
Speaker 2: I'll give you fishing tips. I won't partake into fishing
Speaker 2: but I'll rig up your lines and I'll tell you
Speaker 2: where to fish and what times of day to fish
Speaker 2: and all of that, and I directed them to the
Speaker 2: worst spots at the worst times of day. I rigged
Speaker 2: up their lines just terribly. I think Winner and Jayden
Speaker 2: apparently were on to me. And there was one point
Speaker 2: where I found a lure that I thought was going
Speaker 2: to be productive at cash catching fish, so I bit
Speaker 2: it to a pole with a rock, so they didn't
Speaker 2: show that. But that's extreme, yeah, yeah, yeah, so but
Speaker 2: I mean out there as well, like being excluded. I mean,
Speaker 2: obviously being a vegan, you know, I care about animals,
Speaker 2: and the utility of catching a tiny fish and sharing
Speaker 2: it amongst twelve people is just like it's not really
Speaker 2: a thing in terms of nutrition. The thing as well
Speaker 2: was I didn't want to be excluded from people partaking
Speaker 2: something because it is so it's such a bonding experience
Speaker 2: speaking there and talking about how nice the food is
Speaker 2: or how you're so hungry and now you're full, and
Speaker 2: how crazy that is. And so yeah, that was kind
Speaker 2: of something that I was super keen to avoid because
Speaker 2: I didn't want to ostracize myself as a result of
Speaker 2: being a vegan, because being vegan just like does that.
Speaker 1: Anyway, certainly does and in all reality shows, let me
Speaker 1: tell you, that's a conversation that happens. Like, yeah, Charles,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for having this chat with me.
Speaker 1: It was so good to be able to get some
Speaker 1: insights from you. I thoroughly enjoyed watching you in this
Speaker 1: series and thought you did a fantastic job. And yeah,
Speaker 1: no wonder so many people want to come back, but
Speaker 1: you know, this season a season of fresh newbies. There's
Speaker 1: so many players that I think, you know, could do
Speaker 1: with the second shot. So maybe we'll see each other again.
Speaker 2: We'll see things crossed.
Speaker 1: Cheers you cast yourself enjoy chatting to the media.