1 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the 2 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,879 Speaker 2: I'm Sophie Torba, I'm Kate Torba, and I'm Amy Torba. 4 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:16,439 Speaker 1: And coming up on today's show, Mowana Hope calls out 5 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:20,279 Speaker 1: homophobic attack and Ash Pollard exposes. 6 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:23,479 Speaker 2: A tattle troll who attended her home auction. But first, 7 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 2: Georgie Stevenson has been criticized for leveraging the global fuel 8 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 2: crisis to flaunch her own wealth and success. The entrepreneur 9 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 2: has been labeled tone deaf, infuriating, and insensitive. Now, so 10 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 2: if people have been outraged by. 11 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 1: This post, yeah, it has caused a lot of upset 12 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:44,239 Speaker 1: and frustration because, I mean, last week, you can't underestimate 13 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 1: what an incredibly tough week that was for so many Australians. 14 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: Not only are we dealing with a surge in petrol 15 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:52,879 Speaker 1: prices due to the Iran War, but mortgage holders were 16 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: also slammed with yet another rate rise due to rising inflation. 17 00:00:57,040 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 1: And there are also worrying reports that we are for 18 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 1: a recession. I mean, grocery bills are also at an 19 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 1: all time high. I stumbled across this TikTok series where 20 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 1: a creator shared what she has called the most fucked 21 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: fines at Cohal's and in the video, a punnet of 22 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: strawberries was seven dollars fifty whereas a box of Linch 23 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: chocolate was thirty six dollars. I've also seen so many 24 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 1: families across TikTok and social media saying that Easter is 25 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 1: pretty much canceled this year because people simply can't afford 26 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 1: the astronomical prices that we're seeing for chocolate. Yeah, and 27 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: I don't mean to fear monger, but it seems like 28 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:35,400 Speaker 1: it's only going to get worse with this fuel crisis. 29 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: The news are reporting that food prices could go up 30 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:40,679 Speaker 1: an extra fifty percent, so everyone is on edge. I mean, 31 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: I know, I've been googling the Iran War before I 32 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 1: go to bed, which is absolutely ridiculous. My husband keeps 33 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 1: telling me off for it, but it's I just feel 34 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 1: like I'm a bit of a state of panic. If 35 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 1: I'm being completely honest. I've had tears this week over 36 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: my rising mortgage and just how expensive everything is. It 37 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: can feel particularly overwhelming. I mean, I've been on maternity 38 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: lead for most of the year and the government pay 39 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: is very minimal, and I think it's fair to say 40 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: a lot of our listeners and other Australians would be 41 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: feeling just like you have been, Sophie, which is why 42 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: it is so strange that in this economic climate Georgie thought, hey, 43 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 1: this is the perfect time to flaunt my wealth and 44 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: success to my followers and remind them that they simply 45 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 1: are just struggling because of their poor mindset, which can 46 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:25,679 Speaker 1: be fixed, hey, by one of my self help courses. 47 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:26,079 Speaker 3: Yeah. 48 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 1: So in this real Georgie was sipping a smoothie in 49 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: her mansion with the caption. Some people choose to complain 50 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: about the cost of fuel. Other people choose to build 51 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: their own success, co own three companies and buy a 52 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 1: Porsche at twenty eight years old. I am other people, 53 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:45,079 Speaker 1: How did you feel when you saw the real pop up? 54 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 1: I actually first saw on Influenza updates AU's story and 55 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, hang on, surely I'm missing something. 56 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: This can't be it, Like maybe the caption actually explains 57 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 1: what's going on, Like, surely she can't be this tone dead. Yeah, 58 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: because I generally find Georgie's content quite motivating, and she 59 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: is someone who has inspired a lot of women. I 60 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: was quite taken aback by it. It felt like a slap 61 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 1: in the face. I actually showed my husband and he's like, 62 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 1: surely she's trolling. Surely she doesn't actually mean this. And 63 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: as you can imagine, this post elicited a massive response. 64 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: I want to share some of the comments from listeners 65 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 1: in our Facebook community. So one listener wrote, oh my god, 66 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:29,239 Speaker 1: read the room. Another said I have secondhand embarrassment for her. 67 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: Imagine using the fuel crisis as an opportunity to remind 68 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: everyone that you're rich and successful. This is by far 69 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 1: the most out of touch thing I have ever seen 70 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: someone say. 71 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 2: Loe. 72 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 1: Another listener said, her business and you harvest, must use 73 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: a horse and cart for transport. She might not be 74 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 1: other people when the cost of fuel eats into their margins, 75 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 1: whilst another said, what's her point? She still has to 76 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: pay for fuel, right, How will she get to her 77 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: nail appointments if the fuel drives up? How will her 78 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: brand be able to deliver the products if they can't 79 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: use their truck delivery services. She's going to be crying 80 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: when some people can't afford to buy her products anymore 81 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 1: because they can't afford it. Now, if things couldn't get 82 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: worse for Georgie. She also incorrectly spelt Porsche, which led 83 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 1: to further criticism. So one user wrote, if she can't 84 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:19,479 Speaker 1: spell Porsche, imagine her understanding the issue, while another said 85 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 1: she is clearly so uneducated she doesn't realize the bigger 86 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: picture and how this could impact her business. Being a 87 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 1: hashtag girl boss doesn't fix inflation. Off the back of 88 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: that comment, I want to point out that Georgie Stephenson 89 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:33,279 Speaker 1: is actually very educated. She has a law degree. She 90 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: obviously runs two very successful companies, which I think is 91 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 1: why it's so confusing that she actually put this statement 92 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 1: out there. She's obviously a very smart person, but has 93 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 1: she lots touch with the general puzzicle. It seemed to 94 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 1: put some customers off because one person wrote, oh my god, yuck, 95 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:53,160 Speaker 1: I want to cancel my order. Surely there must be 96 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 1: some sort of marketing plan behind this. I mean, as 97 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,839 Speaker 1: you said, Georgie Stephenson is a very clever business woman. 98 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:04,679 Speaker 1: Because initially many people thought, oh, Georgie's deleted this reel 99 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 1: following the backlash, because people went over to her page, 100 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: they couldn't see the real But some clever detective work 101 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 1: by influencer updates au has uncovered that Georgie published this 102 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: video as what is referred to as an unlisted reel. 103 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 1: So essentially, Instagram allows users to share content that doesn't 104 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: appear on their main grid or their feed, but it 105 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:27,279 Speaker 1: is still visible to others through the algorithm. So instead 106 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:29,919 Speaker 1: of feeding content out to the people who follow you, 107 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: it actually feeds it out to new people. So it's 108 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: so new people can find your content on the explore 109 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 1: page or as a suggested reel. So the video is 110 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:41,720 Speaker 1: still linked to the account, it's just not prominently displayed 111 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 1: for existing followers to see. So that makes a little 112 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 1: bit more sense to me as to why she put 113 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: out this controversial message. It's interesting that she didn't want 114 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 1: her normal followers getting it. She obviously was doing a 115 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 1: bit of rage baiting to try and grow her audience 116 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 1: that don't normally engage with her account. I mean, it 117 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: is rage baiting at its finest, and Georgie Steves has 118 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 1: been known to attract attention in this way. A lot 119 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:06,039 Speaker 1: of influencers do it. I mean, as you said, Kate, 120 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: she clearly knew that this reel was not going to 121 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 1: be popular with her existing audience. It's very in your face. 122 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: I mean, in this economic climate, I don't understand any 123 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: audience that would respond well to this. I mean, it 124 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 1: just doesn't make sense. Even high flying business owners who 125 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: are multimillionaires or billionaires are going to be affected by 126 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: this fuel crisis. It is not going to discriminate. And 127 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 1: also her customers are affected by this crisis. They're not 128 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: going to have spare money to spend on her products 129 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 1: or her workshop, so this is going to affect her 130 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:38,359 Speaker 1: business's bottom line. I mean, because at the core of 131 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:40,919 Speaker 1: what she's saying, she's saying people who struggle or complain 132 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 1: are choosing the wrong mindset, which comes across as incredibly 133 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:46,799 Speaker 1: dismissive and out of touch for what people are going 134 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 1: through at the moment. I mean, she's projecting herself as 135 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:53,159 Speaker 1: this high achiever and essentially saying I'm so successful because 136 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:55,719 Speaker 1: I act differently to you, and you should invest in 137 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: my course if you want to act differently too. It's 138 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: very in your face. I'm going to I've always thought 139 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: manifesting was bullshit, and it's always interested in me that 140 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:09,279 Speaker 1: it's white, rich influencers who are women that often push 141 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 1: it and they go Oh, look at this mansion I own. 142 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 1: I got it through manifesting, and you can have just 143 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 1: what I have if you buy my course. It's like, 144 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 1: hang on, it's the course and sucking your followers in 145 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: to try and trick them into gaining what you've got 146 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: through manifesting. It's like, no one is going to get 147 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: anything from manifesting. This style of video reminds me of 148 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 1: the business bro content that targets a lot of male users. 149 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 1: It just makes me so mad because at the moment, 150 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: so many Australians are working their fucking asses off. They're 151 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 1: working two three jobs just to make enough money to 152 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: scrape by with their bills and keep a roof over 153 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 1: their heads. Yet we've got these out of touch influencers 154 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 1: telling us that we've got the wrong mindset and maybe 155 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 1: bills wouldn't be a problem for you if you had 156 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 1: a better mindset and manifested here and there. Now, of course, 157 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: just after we finished recording our segment on Georgie Stevenson's post, 158 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 1: she has come out with a comment. Now, the comment 159 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: was actually posted on a TikTok that called her out, 160 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: so in the comment section, she wrote, you're right to 161 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: call this out I'm really sorry this was posted without 162 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: my approval from an external content creator who has been 163 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: creating trial reels for me, but that doesn't excuse it 164 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 1: being on my page. I understand how tone deaf it was, 165 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 1: especially given what people are dealing with right now, and 166 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: I take full responsibility for that. I wonder if we 167 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 1: are going to see Georgie address this on her own channel, 168 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: or if she is trying to sweep it under the car. 169 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 1: But I always find it interesting when influencers go, I'm sorry, 170 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 1: but it's hidden in a comment section on someone else's post. Yeah, 171 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:40,959 Speaker 1: but she's obviously trying to minimize the backlash by just 172 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 1: keeping this to the comment section. She doesn't want to 173 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 1: alert all of her followers that this took place, because, 174 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 1: as we touched on, this was a real that was 175 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 1: sent out to people who don't follow her, so she's 176 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 1: hoping that majority of her followers have not seen this. 177 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:55,560 Speaker 1: I want to give her the benefit of the doubt, 178 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 1: but it does seem like a bit of a cop 179 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: out to say that it was posted without her approval 180 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 1: from an external content creator. If that was the case, 181 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: wouldn't have been deleted swiftly like this has been up 182 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 1: for a long time now. 183 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:09,199 Speaker 3: In other news, ladies and gentlemen, there has been a 184 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 3: resounding yes fucking please to unveiling who this ding dong is. 185 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 2: Former MKR contestant Ash Pollard has exposed a tattle troll 186 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 2: who attended her home auction solely to report the sale 187 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 2: price back to the forum. The media personality was able 188 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 2: to identify the individual after they shared a photo showing 189 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 2: exactly where they were standing during the auction. Now, so 190 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 2: if the tattle user has been a prolific poster in 191 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 2: a thread dedicated to bashing the former reality star, yeah, 192 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:43,079 Speaker 2: that's right. 193 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 1: The woman in question goes by the username Pepiop, and 194 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: Ash shared an example of the types of comments that 195 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 1: pepiop has been sharing about her on the forum, including 196 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 1: one that said can't even look after her free in visialine, 197 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:00,200 Speaker 1: ungrateful twat. Ash then put up a poll ar asking 198 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 1: her followers if they wanted to see who the knob 199 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 1: end was, and, as you can imagine, it was an 200 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 1: unequivocal yes, with ninety eight percent of Ash's followers voting 201 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: for her to share the tattle users identity were the 202 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:16,560 Speaker 1: two percent tattle users the other Let's take a listen 203 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 1: to what Ash said. 204 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 3: In other news, ladies and gentlemen, there has been a 205 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 3: resounding yes fucking please to unveiling who this ding dong 206 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 3: is that lights to write shit about me on this forum 207 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 3: and also come and look inside my house and stay 208 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:45,599 Speaker 3: for the option in their free time. I mean, buck me, guys. 209 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 4: That's that's some dedication. 210 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 1: Now you can see Ash was really having fun with 211 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 1: this because she added a dramatic drum roll for comedic 212 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:56,959 Speaker 1: effect before revealing how she pieced together the woman's identity. 213 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:00,120 Speaker 1: She then shared a screenshot from tattle Life showing that 214 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 1: Peppiop had posted a phone photo she took at the auction, 215 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 1: along with a comment revealing the property sold for two 216 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 1: point nine million dollars. Now, in the photo, Ash noticed 217 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 1: the back of her neighbour's head, and her neighbor has 218 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: distinctive red hair, so it was clear the tattle user 219 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 1: was standing directly behind the neighbor. Ash wrote, old mate 220 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 1: takes a picture from the crowd in the auction. That's 221 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: my neighbour's head in front of her. Now, unbeknownst to 222 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 1: this tattle user, Ash had a photo of the crowd 223 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 1: gathered for the auction, so she was able to pinpoint 224 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: the Tattle user standing directly behind her neighbor, so she 225 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:38,200 Speaker 1: then posted the photo saying, here she is peppiop phone 226 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 1: in hand taking notes lol. The person in question appeared 227 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: to be a middle aged woman with short brown hair 228 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 1: wearing a white jacket with a black cross body bag. 229 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:50,199 Speaker 1: Now Ash zoomed up further on the photo and wrote 230 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 1: that thread on tattle life is popping off at the moment, 231 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:55,719 Speaker 1: given I'm fueling the fire a bit. Someone in there 232 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 1: made a good point though about me doxing myself. I 233 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 1: guess I have and do sometimes, so I'll get better 234 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 1: at that. Doxing oneself is not recommended. Opens me up 235 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 1: to harassment and the like and creeps like this last below, 236 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 1: and those on tattle wanting to know all about your 237 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: life anyway want to know this lady's name. In terms 238 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 1: of Ash's comments about doxing herself, does she mean that 239 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:20,559 Speaker 1: she's doxed herself to her Tattle life thread and she's 240 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 1: actually put up her hand and said I read it 241 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 1: because a lot of influencers deny that they even look 242 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 1: at the threads, and a lot of the tatle life 243 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:29,559 Speaker 1: users are like, oh, we know you read your thread 244 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 1: and it kind of spurs them on to say worse 245 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 1: thing things because I had a look at the thread 246 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:35,840 Speaker 1: and what people were more saying is that because she 247 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 1: chooses to put herself and her life out there like 248 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 1: that and shares so much, she's doxing herself in the 249 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: sense of she's inviting negative commentary and harassment. It is 250 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 1: an interesting concept anyway. What I found really interesting about 251 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 1: what Ash said there is the fact that she was 252 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:54,679 Speaker 1: eluding that she was going to share the woman's name. 253 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 1: I want to point out that Peppiop claims that the 254 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:01,559 Speaker 1: photo is not of her, so she wrote the forum, Yo, Ash, 255 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 1: you got it wrong. That photo is not me. I 256 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 1: hope this lady sues your ass now. I you know 257 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 1: that's what she's claiming. From seeing both of the photos, A, 258 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 1: you're going to say that it's pretty clear that it 259 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 1: is the woman picture. 260 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 2: It's my first thought, like, what if the photo was 261 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 2: taken at another point during the auction. 262 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 1: No, I've seen both photos and it is very clear 263 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 1: because it was right as the auction was taking place. 264 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 2: Did the woman have her iPad out. 265 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: Or was it a show she had a phone out 266 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: and it looked like she was either filming or taking 267 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: notes about what the different prices were. Well, of course, 268 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 1: when you get caught out, you're gonna be like, oh, 269 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 1: that's not me. It really is one thing to have 270 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 1: a bit of a winge about influences to your friends. 271 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 1: I think the next step is joining somewhere light tattle. 272 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 5: What is this? 273 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:44,440 Speaker 6: Like? 274 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 2: This is going too far people rocking up to auctions. 275 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 2: It's almost acting as like citizen reporters. 276 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 1: I mean, it was pretty game to do so, because 277 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:55,559 Speaker 1: at house inspections and auctions, generally you have to give 278 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 1: the real estate agent your name in order to go 279 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 1: through the house. So I'm guessing that Ash has gotten 280 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 1: this woman's name from the agent. I want to point 281 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 1: out that she has refrained from sharing the woman's name. 282 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 1: I think that she was just trying to scare her, 283 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 1: and she probably knew that if she did share these details, 284 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:14,199 Speaker 1: she would actually be doxing the woman. 285 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 2: You can drop a fake name, though, it's not like 286 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 2: they check your driver's license or anything. Yeah, true, that's true. 287 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 1: But I mean she's like it it's peppiop But and 288 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: we've got to remember that this household for two point 289 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 1: nine million dollars, so it's not just your typical, you know, 290 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 1: normal house that you're looking through. I feel like when 291 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 1: you look at a luxury home like that, there might 292 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 1: be more information you need to provide. She might have 293 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 1: just rocked up for the auction, though not necessarily. I 294 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 1: think no, she did go through it so she. I 295 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 1: will get into that later, but before I do, I 296 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: was really interested to see the types of comments that 297 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 1: Pepiop was sharing about Ash and the lead up to 298 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 1: this auction, because she clearly got under Ash's skin for 299 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 1: her to share about it. 300 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 3: Now. 301 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 1: Pepiop has been a regular poster in Ash's thread. She 302 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 1: seems to be very invested in her life and a 303 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: lot of the comments she has been making are incredibly cruel. 304 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 1: There were countless posts where she tore into Ash's appearance, 305 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 1: particularly her hair, and she also made a lot of 306 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 1: nasty comments about Ash's daughter. I am not going to 307 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 1: read out these posts because I don't really want to 308 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 1: give them the airtime. I mean, I just find it 309 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 1: revolting for an adult to be on a forum commenting 310 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: on a child's appearance. It just blows my mind that 311 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 1: you would go that low, and I can kind of 312 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 1: see why Ash Pollard got to the point where she's like, 313 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 1: I'm going to call this bullshit out. 314 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 2: The whole thing's creepy though that she's now been in 315 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 2: Ash's house because she was also making comments about hypothesizing 316 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 2: where Ash was going to move to, so she shared 317 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 2: several listings from real estate dot com and was questioning 318 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 2: whether these homes were her new residents. She also wrote 319 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 2: on the forum found the new place. She's pretty dumb. 320 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 2: Didn't take chat gpt long to find it. Remember the 321 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 2: pool fiasco in Japan. Let's hope these stupid parents properly 322 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 2: supervised their pram writing toddlers around the pool in the new. 323 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 1: Place nowh On the day of the auction, Peppiop shared 324 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: a post saying that she do a report about the 325 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 1: property once she was home. I wonder if that means 326 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: she was brazen enough to log into tattle life and 327 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 1: do a little update from inside ashes Houseman, How fucked 328 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 1: is that? 329 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 3: Yeah? 330 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 1: Well, she stuck to her word and she sent through 331 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 1: her analysis of the property, so she wrote, okay, went 332 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: to the auction. Overall, the garden was lush and lovely. 333 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 1: Didn't care for the kitchen cupboards are a bit scuffed, 334 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 1: and the brief to the designer was, let's use as 335 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: many textures and different materials as possible. Metal cloud breakfast 336 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: bar would two pack marble and tile. The kitchen stools 337 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: were ranked, the dining chair and lounge covers were stained 338 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 1: and poorly fitted. A passive aggressive note on the cubby 339 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 1: house said it was not included in the sale. The 340 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 1: backyard was tiny, like two to three steps to the 341 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 1: back fence. Definitely, the camera makes everything look bigger. It 342 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 1: was small in capitals. One of the girl's bedrooms had 343 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 1: a queen sized bed, so literally no room for the 344 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 1: kid to play on her bedroom floor at all. It 345 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: just went on and on. She then criticized the closed area, 346 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 1: saying it was teeny tiny. She seemed really focused on 347 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: the kitchen, trying to point out that it was dirty. 348 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:08,120 Speaker 1: She said, I found the kitchen a little not perfect 349 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:11,359 Speaker 1: and spotless as one would expect from miss ash marks, 350 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:14,399 Speaker 1: and needed a further clean. Certainly not a chef's kitchen. 351 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 1: This just reminds me of when you go for a 352 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 1: walk in a really rich area and you start to 353 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:20,879 Speaker 1: criticize all of these homes that you can't afford, like 354 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 1: why would they do that? Why would they like, this 355 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: is a two point nine million dollar house. It's obviously nice. 356 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 1: Clearly this woman came to pick it apart. I mean 357 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: that's why she brought her iPad and took notes. I mean, 358 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: it's all very sad. 359 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 2: She's pretty much outed herself in the review of this 360 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:37,680 Speaker 2: property too, because she said I got the impression the 361 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 2: neighbors don't like her. So, I mean, she was standing 362 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 2: next to the neighbors in the photo. It's clear that 363 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 2: this is her. The whole thing's just embarrassing. I can 364 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 2: kind of see why Ash has called her out, because 365 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:52,879 Speaker 2: you'd feel like, wait a sec, this fucking person is 366 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 2: obsessed with me. They've come like this is where her 367 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 2: kids live. I mean, it's one thing to dislike someone 368 00:17:58,240 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 2: on the internet, but I think this is taking it 369 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:02,120 Speaker 2: away too far. I can see why she was driven 370 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:04,680 Speaker 2: to expose this person. You would feel like your whole 371 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 2: privacy had been invaded. And I think she was feeling 372 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:12,119 Speaker 2: particularly vulnerable because her home has been targeted twice before 373 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:15,879 Speaker 2: by robbers. So in April, thieves stole her husband's ut, 374 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 2: and also last August, the couple's cars were targeted again. 375 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 1: Now, as expected, the tattle users in Ash's thread got 376 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 1: on the defensive, so one user wrote, she has absolutely 377 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:29,399 Speaker 1: no right to identify a person who is in the 378 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 1: crowded an auction standing on a public street. Give it 379 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: your best shot, Ash, I want to point out that 380 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 1: that is actually factually incorrect. You can actually photograph anyone 381 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 1: that is in public and disseminate that image now. Another 382 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:45,880 Speaker 1: person wrote, hmm, she will want to tread carefully. Doxing 383 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:49,400 Speaker 1: is illegal and that could be literally anyone. Another said, 384 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:51,639 Speaker 1: there is absolutely no proof that that person is a 385 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 1: tattle user, and misidentifying someone could be a huge breach 386 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 1: of the law. That person and anyone else there were 387 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 1: doing nothing wrong by attending a public event. She even 388 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 1: said herself there was a lot of interest in nosy people. 389 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:06,639 Speaker 1: What does unmasking a possible genuine interested buyer achieve for 390 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:10,399 Speaker 1: ASH except legal rammifications? If her goal is inciting harassment, 391 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 1: I mean, it's a bit rich about them being concerned 392 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 1: about Ash inciting harassment when they're literally sitting on a 393 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:18,440 Speaker 1: forum directing hate at one person. 394 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 3: I mean. 395 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 1: One title user even urged the members to report Ash 396 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:25,439 Speaker 1: to the e Safety Commission if she ended up sharing 397 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 1: the anonymous user's name. They are the ones who should 398 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 1: be reported to the E Safety Commission. It is just 399 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 1: so wildly hypocritical. 400 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:37,880 Speaker 4: I can't make this up. I actually cannot make it up. 401 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 1: Moana Hope has opened up about an Instagram mishap that 402 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 1: led to her receiving shocking homophobic abuse from a former 403 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:49,400 Speaker 1: fellow AFLW player. Before we get into the incident, Kate, 404 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 1: can you get listeners up to speed with who Mowana 405 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 1: is well. She's best known as being a trailblazer in 406 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 1: the AFLW. She played twenty games for Collingwood and North 407 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:01,959 Speaker 1: Melbourne between twenty seventeen. In twenty nineteen, and following her 408 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 1: football career, she appeared on Australian Survivor twice, so once 409 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen and then in the All Stars version 410 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty, where she finished third. Now, during her 411 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 1: time in the Spotlight, she's gained one hundred and fifteen 412 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 1: thousand Instagram followers, and these days she works in the 413 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 1: sports media and advocacy space. She's particularly passionate about inclusion, 414 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 1: equality and mental health. Now, in terms of her personal life, 415 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:29,880 Speaker 1: Moana was married to Isabelle Carstrom, who she shares two 416 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 1: children with. The couple announced their separation in twenty twenty three, 417 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:38,879 Speaker 1: saying they were unconsciously uncupling. Nita have spoken publicly about 418 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 1: the breakup. Mowana says she will never reveal why her 419 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:44,679 Speaker 1: marriage broke down out of respect for her children and 420 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 1: their family. And I think that gives you an idea 421 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: of what type of person Moana is. She is very 422 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 1: respected online and very much liked. Now let's get into 423 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 1: the incident that kicked off last week. So it all 424 00:20:56,600 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 1: started when Moana posted an innocuous workout selfie on her 425 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:04,439 Speaker 1: Instagram story. A few hours later, she then received a 426 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:08,479 Speaker 1: direct message from a former AFLW player who was straight. 427 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 1: Now instantly Moana knew the message was intended for someone else, 428 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 1: as it was her own Jim selfie with a homophobic 429 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 1: slur added to it. Fortunately, Moana managed to screenshot the 430 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 1: message before the sender quickly deleted it. She ended up 431 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 1: applying to the footballer, writing whatever you're dealing with and 432 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 1: whatever her has caused you to be so mean and 433 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:31,879 Speaker 1: a bully is not welcome here. You don't even follow 434 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 1: me and I hope you find your piece. She then 435 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 1: blocked the AFLW player. Yeah, she ended up posting her 436 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 1: Jim selfie to her Instagram feed along with a caption 437 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 1: condemning the harassment she received. She wrote, I didn't think 438 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:48,879 Speaker 1: homophobia had a place in AFLW, but apparently I was wrong. 439 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 1: A player and someone who was connected to a victorian 440 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 1: AFLW club thought it was appropriate to share this photo 441 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:59,160 Speaker 1: with a homophobic caption and laughing emojis. So in light 442 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,439 Speaker 1: of that behavior, I figured I'd put it on my 443 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 1: grid myself now. The following day, Mowana said that she 444 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 1: had given the footballer an ultimatum. She said if she 445 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 1: didn't report herself to the football club she was affiliated 446 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:14,399 Speaker 1: with by Friday, Moana would make her identity known now. 447 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,199 Speaker 1: Later that day, Mowana told her Instagram followers that she 448 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:20,119 Speaker 1: had discovered the woman had actually played alongside her in 449 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:23,879 Speaker 1: the afl W, but like mo she is now retired. 450 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:24,360 Speaker 5: Now. 451 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 1: Based on that information, Moe ended up removing the reference 452 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:29,959 Speaker 1: to the afl W in the caption of her post, 453 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: as she said that they shouldn't be accountable for a 454 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:35,439 Speaker 1: retired player's actions. It was at this point that Moana 455 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 1: opened up further about the homophobic slur that she received. Sadly, 456 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 1: she explained that she's become good at blocking out homophobic 457 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 1: and sexist sledges that she receives about being a gay 458 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:48,199 Speaker 1: woman who plays AFLW. Let's take a listen to what 459 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:48,680 Speaker 1: she said. 460 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 5: But the two things people had come at before was 461 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:54,879 Speaker 5: the fact that one, I'm a woman, so it was 462 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:58,879 Speaker 5: always about get back in the kitchen. You need to 463 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:02,399 Speaker 5: get a you need to get penis in you, you 464 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 5: need to you need to retract back to the woman's role. 465 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 5: And that's not footy. That's one and the other thing. 466 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,399 Speaker 5: Do you other thing is everything anathd. It's got to 467 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 5: be being with me being a lesbian, with me loving women, 468 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 5: with me having loved women and having been with women, 469 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 5: and me having brought kids into this world as a 470 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:28,120 Speaker 5: gay woman. That said to me every single day would 471 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:29,119 Speaker 5: blow your fucking mind. 472 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 1: I found that really hard to listen to. It upsets 473 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:34,640 Speaker 1: me so much that Moe has to deal with that 474 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 1: on a daily basis. It really I feel like this 475 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 1: episode is just us getting angry. But it really frustrates 476 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:45,680 Speaker 1: me how small minded people are. I mean, the fact 477 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,160 Speaker 1: that people think that they can say that to someone 478 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: is so r Maana pointed out that ninety nine times 479 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:54,400 Speaker 1: out of one hundred those comments come from men, which 480 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 1: is why she was so taken aback to receive the 481 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 1: recent comment from a woman, particularly someone in the same 482 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,880 Speaker 1: field her Now, in terms of the message she received, 483 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:06,640 Speaker 1: the footballer said that Moe should undergo facial feminization surgery, 484 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 1: often referred to as FFS. Now most said, She's received 485 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,200 Speaker 1: this comment from men in the past, but it's actually 486 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: the first time a woman has said it to her. 487 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 1: For those not familiar with FFS, it's a type of 488 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:24,400 Speaker 1: gender affirming surgery that involves changing facial features to create 489 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 1: a more traditionally feminine appearance. It's most commonly undertaken by 490 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 1: transgender women or gender diverse people as part of their transition. 491 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to more of what Mo said 492 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:36,679 Speaker 1: about the comment. 493 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 4: So how it's been said to me in the past. 494 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 4: People use it in terms of. 495 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 5: You, you're an dyke, you need to go get FFS done. 496 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:51,120 Speaker 4: You just want to be a man. 497 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 5: You're discussing you need f FS. Go get f FS. 498 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 5: It's the only thing that's going to help you. 499 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,639 Speaker 1: I mean again, I'm just speechless that Moe has to 500 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:03,159 Speaker 1: deal with It's just so wrong. She did go on 501 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: to say that she supports anyone who decides that that 502 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 1: surgery is what they want to do. But she said 503 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 1: when she's constantly told she needs it because she doesn't 504 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,439 Speaker 1: meet beauty standards, because she's not feminine enough, it's a 505 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,679 Speaker 1: different story, which I completely agree with. Now the plot 506 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 1: thickens because Moana returned to Instagram with a fresh update 507 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,199 Speaker 1: for her followers. She revealed that she had received a 508 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 1: DM from a barista from a coffee shop in North 509 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:29,160 Speaker 1: Melbourne who claimed they overheard an influencer who was part 510 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 1: of the LGBTQI community callm a clout chaser. Let's take 511 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 1: a listen. 512 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 4: Currently, she spent her time standing there. 513 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 5: Scatting me and saying that I'm doing all of this 514 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:48,440 Speaker 5: for clout and the person on the phone was. 515 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 4: Just as bad. It's saying we're talking hurtful things about me. 516 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,680 Speaker 5: Really hurtful is what this person said in the message, 517 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:59,359 Speaker 5: which I will share it. However, I have given this 518 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 5: woman right of reply. I've sent her the screenshot saying. 519 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 4: You get right of reply here, so I'm not going 520 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:06,959 Speaker 4: to share who this person is. 521 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 1: Now, Moana came with the receipt. She shared the screenshot 522 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,399 Speaker 1: of the DM she received from the barista with the 523 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:18,399 Speaker 1: influencer and questions name blacked out. She then said this, like, I. 524 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,120 Speaker 4: Get right, because I see it all with Tom. 525 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 5: I get that influences and people they just are so 526 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 5: so desperate to be famous that they say dom they 527 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,680 Speaker 5: say that they don't believe in, just to get attention. 528 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,359 Speaker 4: They say controversial things to get attention. 529 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,359 Speaker 5: They you know, even to the point where I feel 530 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 5: like you're dating people just to get attention. 531 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:40,120 Speaker 4: If even though men, which. 532 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:44,119 Speaker 6: Almost all of my followers do, I am the last 533 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 6: person to asks for attention. If I wanted attention, I 534 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 6: would start by talking about my divorce, right which I never. 535 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 7: Publicly spoke about the reason I would talk about breaking 536 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,680 Speaker 7: up with people in my life. I would talk about 537 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,920 Speaker 7: the fact that I spent my entire childhood tortured as 538 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 7: a child in a house full of domestic violence, in 539 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:05,160 Speaker 7: which I was beaten. 540 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 4: Black and blue. 541 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,880 Speaker 5: Because you know what, having those conversations would gain attraction, 542 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:10,359 Speaker 5: would get me follows. But I don't want to have 543 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 5: them because I don't need to, because I worked through 544 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 5: my ship and I don't make my public to get a. 545 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:16,439 Speaker 4: Follower or two. 546 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 1: That was absolutely iconic. I feel like within that ranch. 547 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 1: He dropped some more clues as to who the influencer 548 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,879 Speaker 1: may be. There is a prominent influencer who fits the 549 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 1: description the legal reasons, we can't, of course comment on 550 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 1: who we think that is. There is a lot of 551 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 1: speculation currently as to who this could be. I was 552 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,440 Speaker 1: wondering if the person who a lot of people have 553 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 1: been speculating that it is might actually put something out 554 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 1: and say, hey, it's not me, guys, I one hundred 555 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,479 Speaker 1: percent support moh Ana. But the person that a lot 556 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 1: of people think it hasn't said anything. I mean that 557 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 1: could be because it's not them and they don't want 558 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 1: to weigh. 559 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 2: Into it, or so you're saying that this influencer, if 560 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,159 Speaker 2: they didn't do it, they probably would have tried to 561 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,199 Speaker 2: clear the air by putting up a post saying I 562 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 2: support Moana, this was not me. And they haven't actually 563 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,640 Speaker 2: done that yet, which makes things even more suspicious. Yeah, 564 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 2: particularly because they have been named online as the person 565 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 2: who did it, which I mean, again is really unfair 566 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,680 Speaker 2: if this person hasn't done it, But yeah, I would 567 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 2: have thought they would come out swinging and say, hey, guys, 568 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 2: this is not me. By one hundred percent support Moana 569 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 2: are saying. 570 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:24,360 Speaker 1: Particularly because these two people would know each other they 571 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:25,959 Speaker 1: do move in the same circles. 572 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:26,479 Speaker 6: Now. 573 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:28,879 Speaker 1: By Wednesday, Mohana said it was the last time she 574 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 1: was going to comment on the situation. She said she'd 575 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,480 Speaker 1: received thousands of messages asking for her to name and 576 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 1: shame the retired footballer, but she wouldn't be doing that 577 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 1: because she didn't want to cause the woman harm. Instead, 578 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 1: she urged her followers to kill hate with love and 579 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 1: support those who were judged and discriminated against for who 580 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 1: they are or what they do. I mean again, we 581 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 1: probably should be focusing more so on who is the 582 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 1: footballer who has made these foul comments, as opposed to 583 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 1: perhaps the cloud chasing comments. Sadly, though this situation Moe 584 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 1: experienced isn't an isolated one, it really ties into a 585 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 1: wider issue in female sport because women who don't fit 586 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 1: narrow stereotypes about femininity are often targeted with comments about 587 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 1: their bodies or their question about their gender sexuality, and 588 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 1: often this abuse is disguised as banter. 589 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 2: I mean. 590 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,719 Speaker 1: We saw it earlier this month when an official from 591 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 1: a local league step down after being caught saying a 592 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 1: female player should lose weight and described women as breeders. 593 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 1: And this comment mo received as particularly troubling considering it 594 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 1: came from an AFLW player. I mean, so many players 595 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 1: in the AFLW are a part of the LGBTQI community, 596 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 1: so the fact that it's coming from one of their 597 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 1: own is so sad. I think there could be more 598 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 1: to come with this story, particularly if the two offenders 599 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 1: are revealed. I mean, I don't think they've really got 600 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 1: much of a leg to stand on if their identities 601 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 1: do become public. The one positive thing to come out 602 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 1: of this is I have heard people speak about Moana 603 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 1: Hope before, but I've never actually followed her. 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