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Speaker 2: It's the podcast for the time poor parent who just

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Speaker 1: Now. The days are hot, the kids are out of school,

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Speaker 1: the wind up for the year is in full swing,

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Speaker 1: and this is our last Older Better Tomorrow for the year.

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Speaker 1: For those of you who haven't caught on with Older

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Speaker 1: Better Tomorrow, it's our weekly reflection when we look at

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Speaker 1: what we did right or what we did wrong, and

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Speaker 1: how we are trying to be better parents tomorrow because

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Speaker 1: we're not always getting it right today, Kylie, for our

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Speaker 1: end of year Older Better Tomorrow. You wanted to kick

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Speaker 1: things off? Where are you going to take us?

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Speaker 2: Not any way? Good?

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Speaker 1: Actually, all right, here's the gooss. There's something to listen

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Speaker 2: So I'm not gonna lie. With just over two weeks

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Speaker 2: completely and utterly physically, mentally, emotionally burned. Yeah, you haven't

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Speaker 2: been yourself in a real funk. And the challenge I

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Speaker 2: that notion that I should There's all these shoulds in

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Speaker 2: of our choices are taken away from us. Yeah, we

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think you're right, And I've found myself falling

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Speaker 1: Can I get out on this for just a sec

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Speaker 1: I know that I'll do better tomorrow. We're not supposed

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Speaker 1: talk about interjected regulation. That's going to be such a

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Speaker 2: You know, I can choose, I can choose to not

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Speaker 2: So what's your learning from this week?

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Speaker 1: My learning from this week is really simple. This week,

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Speaker 1: I know it's been a rough week, but have you

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