1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:05,040 Speaker 1: We are now heading to another Central Australian politician and 2 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: that is the member for our lun Robin Lamley. Hopefully 3 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:08,399 Speaker 1: we've got her on the line. 4 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Robin, Good morning Katie. Robin. 5 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: We're running a bit late this morning where we're in 6 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: a brand new studio and let's just say there's been 7 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:18,320 Speaker 1: a few teething issues that we're getting through. 8 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 3: Fine. 9 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:23,919 Speaker 1: Congrat Oh, it is wonderful. You'll love it when you 10 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:25,240 Speaker 1: come in. It's very nice. 11 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 2: Indeed. 12 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 1: Now, Robin, there's been so much going on. We know, 13 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:32,599 Speaker 1: and I did mention a little earlier with Bill Yan, 14 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: we know that police have relaunched Operation Archer in response 15 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: to the spike in youth crime and car thefts in 16 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 1: Ala Springs over the weekend. It sounds like things are 17 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: flaring up again. 18 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 2: Is that the case. 19 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 3: I think I think it is the case, Katie. I 20 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 3: think things are starting to look like your average normal 21 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 3: summer that we have experienced in Alice Springs over the 22 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 3: last five six years. The new government has a massive 23 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 3: calf ahead of them trying to rein in this inevitable 24 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 3: escalation of antisocial behavior. 25 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, there is a massive problem. There is no doubt 26 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 2: about that. 27 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:17,680 Speaker 1: There's something you and I have honestly been speaking about 28 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:20,759 Speaker 1: for years and years. We know that Parliament is going 29 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: to be sitting in just a couple of weeks. Do 30 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:25,319 Speaker 1: you think that the legislative changes that the government's proposing 31 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 1: are going to see some change? 32 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 3: Robin, Look, I'm trying to be optimistic, but I'm also realistic, 33 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 3: and I think that although over time they may have 34 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:44,680 Speaker 3: an impact, I think the horse has bolted, Katie. I 35 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 3: think that trying to rein in the increasingly deteriorating behavior 36 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 3: of a lot of people coming in and out of 37 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 3: Alice Springs from remote communities, people who are living here, 38 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 3: is going to take more than changing legislation and tweaking 39 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 3: things here and there. I don't know what the answer is, Interestingly, Katie, 40 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 3: over the last week, so many people have said to me, 41 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 3: we need to ask the federal government for assistance. I 42 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 3: don't know exactly what they mean by that. I'm sure 43 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:27,679 Speaker 3: it's nothing like the intervention that we saw all those 44 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 3: years ago, fifteen years ago or more. But people see 45 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 3: this problem as almost beyond the capability of the Northern 46 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 3: Territory government to fix, and more and more i'm hearing 47 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 3: that that people think that the Feds need to step 48 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:48,799 Speaker 3: in and give us a hand straighten things up. 49 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 2: How do you reckon that might work, Robin? 50 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 1: Do you think that it could just be as simple 51 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: as as having some additional federal police there to help 52 00:02:57,840 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 1: or support the. 53 00:02:58,480 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 2: Northern Territory police. 54 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 1: Do you think that it could be like, I don't know, 55 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: I'm just wondering how it might look. 56 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:10,080 Speaker 3: Well, I guess when people say that to me, what 57 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 3: goes through my mind is a complete reset, bringing a 58 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:19,799 Speaker 3: lot of federal police, maybe the army, and just stop 59 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 3: people from moving about as freely as what they would like, 60 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:30,799 Speaker 3: making people be more accountable and stopping crime. And that 61 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 3: has to be put in place, almost like a similar 62 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 3: concept to a curfew, but not a curfew for many months. 63 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 3: I mean, for some reason, people think that they can 64 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 3: get away with this outrageous behavior which is crippling the town. 65 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 3: I mean, I've just had a conversation with an organization 66 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 3: that's trying to employ people in Alice Springs, and they 67 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 3: said that people just don't want to come here. And 68 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 3: you know that's where we sit in our springs, a 69 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 3: town that is being hell to ransom and destroyed by 70 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 3: crime and We've talked about this endlessly, but when you 71 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 3: look at solutions, I don't know that changing legislation in 72 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 3: a couple of weeks in the Northern Territory Parliament is 73 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 3: going to make a huge amount of difference. 74 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 1: And I guess the game's changed to some degree too, 75 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:22,720 Speaker 1: hasn't it, Robin, you know, for want of a better word, 76 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 1: in the sense that we've now got a Northern Territory 77 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: government that's a CLP government, Whereas previously with the Labor 78 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 1: led government, you wonder whether they were hesitant to call 79 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 1: the federal government or really push the federal government for 80 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 1: further support because they're all sort of you know, they're 81 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: all wearing the same colors, they're all in the same stripes. 82 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 1: Whereas now, you know, you wonder whether the CLP led 83 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 1: government could put a bit more pressure on the federal 84 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 1: government for some further assistance. 85 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 3: Well, it's a legacy problem that they've inherited. It will 86 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 3: become their problem very quickly, I'd imagine once we get 87 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 3: to the long, hot summer days of January in February 88 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 3: and crime is just as bad as it's ever been 89 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 3: in Alice Springs, and I can't see why it wouldn't. 90 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:10,480 Speaker 3: Based on what we're seeing already, it will become the 91 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 3: new COLP government's problem, well and truly, And if they 92 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 3: don't take extreme measures and look like they're doing something 93 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 3: different very quickly, then people will forget that it was 94 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:27,160 Speaker 3: a labor crime crisis and it will become the CELP 95 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:31,479 Speaker 3: crime crist This is the problem that they say, so. 96 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 3: I mean, it's all very well to say that they 97 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 3: will fix the problem, but I think, and I know 98 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 3: a lot of people in Alice Springs, without sounding too pessimistic, 99 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 3: think that it is unfixable to a certain extent without 100 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:54,479 Speaker 3: a lot of help from possibly the federal government. 101 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: Well, something's got to change. It's absolutely got to change. 102 00:05:57,960 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 2: Robin. 103 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 1: Much else going on in Alice Springs that we should 104 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:01,239 Speaker 1: be aware of at the moment. 105 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:07,159 Speaker 3: Well, it's a delightful time of year in Alice Springs, Katie. 106 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 3: The flowers are out. I've been riding my bike around 107 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 3: and sniffing the beautiful roses in people's gardens, and you know, 108 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:19,919 Speaker 3: it's springtime in Alice and there is a lovely time. 109 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 3: But you know the problems that we have are not 110 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 3: going away. And you know, just listening to a bit 111 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 3: of what Bill Yan, our Treasurer Minister Bill Yan was 112 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 3: talking about. You know that the pressure is on them 113 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 3: now to deliver on what they've promised, but also to 114 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 3: provide a pathway forward to these very very difficult problems. 115 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 3: And I don't envy them, but I do think that 116 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:55,600 Speaker 3: they need to be given some time, realistically to put 117 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 3: in place what they intend to do. 118 00:06:58,000 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 2: Absolutely I couldn't agree more. 119 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 1: And I think think you know that people are quite 120 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: optimistic at this point in time. Will they feel as 121 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 1: though there's been a bit of change, But that won't 122 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: last for long if we don't see that change. So 123 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 1: they've got to act, and they're going to have to 124 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: act quite quickly and be pretty strong about it, I think. 125 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 3: I think so. I think that's what people are looking 126 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 3: two and for in this new government is strong leadership. 127 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 3: I think Lea's come out on the front foot very 128 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 3: very positively with the first home owners grants. That's a 129 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 3: good sign that she's committed to driving the economy. But 130 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 3: all the money in the world won't attract people to 131 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 3: a town like Alice Springs if they live in fear, 132 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 3: fear even walking out on the streets. So there was 133 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 3: an incident in the evening. At about six six point 134 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 3: thirty last night, before the sun went down, a group 135 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 3: of kids were causing havoc just in a part of 136 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 3: my elector at Ara Lun. So you know it's going 137 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 3: to take more than that to attract people and stimulate 138 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 3: the economy in places like Alice Springs Tenant Create Catherine. 139 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 1: I couldn't agree more. Robin Lamley, the Independent member Farara Lun. 140 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 1: Always great to catch up with you and hopefully we'll 141 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 1: see you in the studio soon. 142 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 3: I can't wait. Can it? 143 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 2: Good on you? Robin, Thanks so much for your time.