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Speaker 1: Job mission with Jones and Amanda and I.

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Speaker 2: Say a week is a long time in politics. I'd

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Speaker 2: say two hours is a long time in politics. Wow Wow.

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Speaker 3: We saw a very uncomfortable premier having to talk to

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Speaker 3: Eyekak yesterday and then face a press conference. The hard

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Speaker 3: thing is everyone loves Gladysbury Jiclian. There's been some discussion

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Speaker 3: that she is Australia's best premier. She's got us through

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Speaker 3: the bushfire crisis, she's guiding us through Corona. She has

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Speaker 3: been above reproach on so many levels and everyone's just

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Speaker 3: shocked to hear that this might be the end of

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Speaker 3: it for her.

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Speaker 2: And we gave her criticism when the Ruby Princess thing happened,

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Speaker 2: but then you look at it. She got us out

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Speaker 2: of the Ruby Princess thing. It's one thing to make

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Speaker 2: a mistake, but then we managed to get out of it,

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Speaker 2: didn't we.

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Speaker 3: What do you mean got out of it?

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Speaker 2: Well, we got out of it. The Ruby Princess thing

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Speaker 2: was far worse than what they're dealing with in Victoria.

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Speaker 2: Well that's right. How Daniel Andrews handled all those.

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Speaker 3: With our contract contact tracing, As she says, we put

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Speaker 3: out the spot fire as we sat Ah. But the

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Speaker 3: hard thing here is she's a very private woman, as

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Speaker 3: she has said, but facing Iyekak yesterday, she wasn't facing

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Speaker 3: it for her private relationship. She was facing it for

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Speaker 3: the person she was having the relationship with. And this

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Speaker 3: is a former MP, Daryl Maguire in twenty eighteen. She

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Speaker 3: had to sack him because he was doing deals on

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Speaker 3: the side as a member of parliament. He was making

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Speaker 3: money on the side by people coming to him for

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Speaker 3: special deals, they saying I'll open that door for you,

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Speaker 3: I'll do this. Obviously you can't be doing that. That's

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Speaker 3: a conflict of interest. He was booted out. Gladys was

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Speaker 3: asked at the press conference yesterday why she didn't end

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Speaker 3: her relationship with him then, and this is what she said.

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Speaker 1: That is a very good question. And can I say

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Speaker 1: that initially he was very angry with me. I was

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Speaker 1: extremely angry with him. I sacked h. I asked for

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Speaker 1: his resignation, that I not only convinced him to leave

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Speaker 1: parliament but accosted others to help me convince him leave parliament.

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Speaker 1: But I also have to say, from a compassionate position,

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Speaker 1: this is a person who, again I put yourself in

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Speaker 1: my position. I've known him for fifteen years. He lost

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Speaker 1: his career, his friends, he lost everything, and he was

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Speaker 1: in a very dark place. And I didn't feel that

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Speaker 1: I could stop being his friend during that time, rightly

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Speaker 1: or wrongly, on compassionate grounds. But puts yourself in a situation.

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Speaker 1: Imagine if one of your best friends had done something

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Speaker 1: horrible on compassionate grounds, would you care about their welfare?

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Speaker 1: If they're in a dark place, they've lost everything, And

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Speaker 1: I just felt that I could not stop being his friend,

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Speaker 1: rightly or wrongly. But of course can I say this?

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Speaker 1: Had I known then what I know now, of course

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Speaker 1: I would have had nothing to do with him. But

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Speaker 1: I did not know the extent of what he was

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Speaker 1: alleged to have done.

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Speaker 3: Interesting, isn't it? Because the phone recordings between the two

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Speaker 3: show that he was discussing his dealings with her, and

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Speaker 3: at one point she said, that's not for me to know.

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Speaker 3: But she said, and I believe her, this has an

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Speaker 3: influence if I would know, But she is such a

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Speaker 3: woman of integrity, she said that it has influenced none

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Speaker 3: of her decision making. But it looks us, doesn't it.

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Speaker 2: Well, we've known every premiere in the time that we've

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Speaker 2: done this radio show from Bob Carr right through, So

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Speaker 2: how many is that? And out of all of them,

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Speaker 2: glad As seems to be the most straight, incorruptible.

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Speaker 3: And what a tragedy if this is her downfall, because

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Speaker 3: she can say I've done nothing wrong, but the fact

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Speaker 3: that he was dodgy ran his deals past her, whether

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Speaker 3: she approved of them or not, it looks like there

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Speaker 3: was a chance to be compromised.

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Speaker 2: Well, once IKAK comes calling, they're not going to ask

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Speaker 2: just about a love affair. And when you look at

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Speaker 2: the history of IKAK, it was set up in the

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Speaker 2: eighties by Nick Grint when he was the Liberal premier.

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Speaker 2: Then curiously he ended up being the first scalp claimed

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Speaker 2: by IKAK in nineteen ninety two. Get this whole idea

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Speaker 2: how he sets it up because us New South Wales

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Speaker 2: constituents were worried about corruption in high places. And then

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Speaker 2: Jodie McKay's yesterday talked crowing about how Gladys is are.

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Speaker 2: This is a reason when she's got to leave. But

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Speaker 2: then Eddie obeat anyone and the whole Colm I'm licensing thing.

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Speaker 3: Look, but that's why we needed Gladys because we were

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Speaker 3: sick of the corruption. This is why this is such

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Speaker 3: a tragedy.

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Speaker 2: But then New South ask coruption pals in comparison to

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Speaker 2: any other countries, So you're going to let it.

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Speaker 3: We can't compare ourselves to we have a higher standard.

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Speaker 2: We have a lower level of corruption.

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Speaker 3: Sure, but we can't tolerate any And it comes down

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Speaker 3: someone He said that, what about you know, we look

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Speaker 3: at the people who were lining up, maybe so that

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Speaker 3: she didn't move along from their portfolios during times of crisis,

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Speaker 3: Dominic Perrete with eye care, Brad Hazard with the Ruby Princess,

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Speaker 3: Andrew Constance when he went for the seat of Eden Monaro,

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Speaker 3: that John Barrolara. There's been a whole lot of scenarios

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Speaker 3: where she does, she doesn't. The people don't get moved on,

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Speaker 3: they don't get sacked or moved around. Is this because

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Speaker 3: they had information on her? Who knows?

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Speaker 2: This is what?

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Speaker 3: Look, this is what Having a whiff of corruption about

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Speaker 3: you leads to a whole lot of conspiracy theories.

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Speaker 2: It's a fragrance at chemist's warehouse.

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Speaker 3: Well, what they're saying, though, is of course that none

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Speaker 3: of this will be decided. I don't think until we

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Speaker 3: hear from Daryl Maguire, he's going to be fronting Ikak

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Speaker 3: on Wednesday. But you know, we love Gladyson. This is

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Speaker 3: so hard to see her go through it.

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Speaker 2: You have to be such a paragona virtue. And there's

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Speaker 2: an old saying, let he without sin cast the first stay.

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Speaker 3: No, but let me without sin be our premier. But

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Speaker 3: you look at it, she has to be above a

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Speaker 3: normal citizen.

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Speaker 2: Ask yourself this question. Could you run for premier with

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Speaker 2: just your background?

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Speaker 3: I don't know, but there's some discussion too. Should she

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Speaker 3: have disclosed this relationship? She was his boss for a

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Speaker 3: period of time. If in any other workplace you would

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Speaker 3: be called upon to disclose it. She said she didn't

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Speaker 3: want to disclose it because she didn't feel it was

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Speaker 3: an important enough thing. But obviously from what we hear

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Speaker 3: with her calling him numero uno, they were partners.

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Speaker 2: But the heart wants what the heart wants.

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Speaker 3: But for a premier, she knew he was dodgy in

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Speaker 3: twenty eighteen, It's hard, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: Sure pleasure with Joins and Amanda