1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: This is jam nation with Jonesy and then well it's 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 1: one more sleep until Australia decides who our next prime 3 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 1: minister will be. Have both parties done enough? Record numbers 4 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 1: have already voted, So I think these last few days 5 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 1: are devoted to try to lure the undecided across the line. 6 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: Charla Nine's political reporter Chris Ullman is here to give 7 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 1: us his final thoughts. 8 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 2: Hello Chris, Hey, Amen Jonesy, Hello Chris. 9 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 1: All right, Chris, where do we stand? I know that 10 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: Labour's lead is disappearing or is this what's expected at 11 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: the end when the undecided make their choice. 12 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 2: It doesn't matter if you lead in the polls all 13 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 2: the way to polling, David, it went on the actual 14 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 2: night when the voters counted, and that of course is 15 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 2: tomorrow night. We have seen a tightening of the race 16 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:46,599 Speaker 2: in the polls, a little bit dubious about some of them, 17 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 2: and don't forget that last time around they were wrong 18 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:51,879 Speaker 2: about the final results. So we will know tomorrow night 19 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 2: we were heading. But both major parties are also polling. 20 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 2: They did tracking poll every single night. They would have 21 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 2: done their last one possibly last night. So now it's 22 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 2: down to the punters and six and a half million 23 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 2: of them have already voted, but another ten million will 24 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 2: make up their minds tomorrow. Many of them I'll have 25 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 2: a pen hovering of a pencil have hovering over the 26 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 2: piece of paper, and it'll be the undersides that swing 27 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 2: this election. 28 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 3: And when you look at it on a day like today, 29 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 3: can you win or lose the election in one day? 30 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 2: I know. Look, someone in the Labor Party said to 31 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 2: me that they really wanted to get their leader at 32 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:25,679 Speaker 2: the six pm news without him stuffing anything up today 33 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 2: because they do believe they are at defending a lead, 34 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 2: albeit a narrow one. So yeah, some big misstep in 35 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 2: the last hours could attract attention. But I think by now, 36 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 2: with everything that's been a offer over the last six weeks, 37 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 2: most people have probably made a pretty firm decision about 38 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:43,680 Speaker 2: where they're going, although there will be some who will 39 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 2: make up their mind in the polling booth. 40 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: In terms of the independence, is this more dangerous for 41 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 1: the Liberal Party or the Labor Party. I know that 42 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 1: some in the Liberal Party are saying people say I 43 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: like the Liberal Party, but I'm not sure about Scott Morrison. 44 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 1: Some of the Labor Party are saying I usually vote 45 00:01:57,160 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: for the Labor Party, but gee, the Independence look good. 46 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: Who's got most to lose? 47 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 2: I may? I think undoubtedly the Coalition has the most 48 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 2: to lose. And you look at how many fronts it's 49 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:08,639 Speaker 2: fighting on it it's defending just seventy six seats, which 50 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 2: is a bare minimum that you need to govern, So 51 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 2: you have to imagine that it's got Morrison loses some 52 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 2: skin somewhere. On the right he's losing it to One 53 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 2: Nation and Palm United, and on the left he's losing 54 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 2: it to these peel independents which have sprung up in 55 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 2: seats that are mostly in near inner city and once 56 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 2: upon a time were very safe liberal seats. They've had 57 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 2: to spend a fortune on those, which means that's money 58 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 2: that can't go elsewhere in their campaign. And we have 59 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 2: of course seen Independence take these seats before, as with 60 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 2: the form of Frime Minister Tony abbittt losing his seat 61 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 2: last time around to Zali Stegel. So they are a 62 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 2: real and present danger. I mean, in this race, you 63 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 2: could see almost any result happening depending where the undersideds 64 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 2: for all, everything from it being a blood bath for 65 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 2: the Coalition where they lose right across the map all 66 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 2: the way through to a hung parliament, all the least 67 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 2: likely result, which would be a return of the Morris government, 68 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 2: which you'd never rule that out either. 69 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 3: Are you finding in your career of doing this people 70 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 3: are more politically aware of these days than ever before. 71 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 2: We're certainly more politically divided than I think we've been 72 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 2: in my time covering politics, and now that stretches back 73 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:15,799 Speaker 2: to when I started at the Camber of Times in 74 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 2: nine eighty nine. So I find that the divisions in 75 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 2: politics are much more stark that de borganization, if you like. 76 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 2: The division of the media now is much darker than 77 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 2: it used to be. The hardest place to stand at 78 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 2: the moment is in the center ground, because if you're 79 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 2: barracking on the right or on the left the peers, 80 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 2: you have plenty of followers if you're trying to stand 81 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 2: somewhere in the middle where you appear to be against everyone. 82 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 2: So I actually get a bit concerned about what I 83 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 2: see happening in politics at the moment, and the viciousness 84 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 2: of social media which is just supercharged this behavior and 85 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 2: some of the things that are done and said now 86 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 2: you just wouldn't have seen ten fifteen years ago. 87 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 3: It just spins on the head of a pin. Will 88 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 3: you'd be happy to know that Gloomy the octopus at 89 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 3: the Sydney Aquarium has predicted a Liberal win. It's got 90 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 3: its tentacles all over the blue legs go brick and 91 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 3: hasn't touched the red one. 92 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: And has Gloomy been successful in the past. 93 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 3: I'm not too sure has Gloomy been Chris, this is 94 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:07,559 Speaker 3: you in your wheelhouse? 95 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 2: Do you know Gloomy is not one of the ones 96 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 2: I'm sort of familiar with, So Gloomy the occopus may 97 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:17,839 Speaker 2: well have a one hundred percent record of figure because 98 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 2: last time round I thought the Labor Party was going 99 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:21,720 Speaker 2: to win, which is why I'm not getting my colors 100 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 2: to the mask at the moment. But if you were 101 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 2: punting on something at the moment, the most likely outcome 102 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 2: would appear to be a Labor government in majority or minority. 103 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 2: So we'll know to tomorrow night. 104 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 3: Okay, Well, Chris, thank you for joining us tomorrow. Oh bugger, 105 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 3: I want to know tomorrow night. Got stuff to do now. 106 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:41,720 Speaker 1: I want to sleep in on Sunday night because wrap 107 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:42,479 Speaker 1: up early. 108 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 3: We've got stuff to do. 109 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 2: So as good when the speeches come around about nine o'clock, 110 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:48,359 Speaker 2: hanging on to a midnight. You know that at the 111 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 2: end of it we'll be counting for another fortnight. 112 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: You'll have a big cocktail umbrella and your drink by then. 113 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 3: We'll be looking and you'll be on the telly tomorrow night, 114 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 3: won't you. 115 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 2: Of course nine years here we have Bill Shorten, who 116 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 2: was actually running the Lab Party last summerround. You will 117 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 2: recall Julie Bishop on the other side, Jane, Jim, the 118 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 2: littles as well Matt Canavan. Great panel can join us 119 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 2: at nine from five. 120 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:11,239 Speaker 3: We'll be watching you Chris the twenty two federal election 121 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 3: to borrow ut Chris ormand thank you for joining us. 122 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:14,919 Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, Chris.