Speaker 1: This is Outspoken. The podcast is not afraid to say
Speaker 1: exactly what you're thinking. Our names are Amy Kate and
Speaker 1: Sophie Torvah. We're identical triplets, but we often don't have
Speaker 1: identical opinions, so sometimes things can get heated. Outspoken covers
Speaker 1: all things reality TV, influences, entertainment, and issues facing women.
Speaker 2: That is so fat Thank you.
Speaker 1: Now we've got the dream team here today, it's just
Speaker 1: Sophie and Amy. Kate has been spending the whole day
Speaker 1: spoiling her boyfriend. It is his thirtieth birthday today, and
Speaker 1: I'm very excited because he has been teasing us for
Speaker 1: years now about the fact that we are in our thirties.
Speaker 1: I love that you say that she's spoiling Reese today
Speaker 1: because he's at work. She's just been running errands because
Speaker 1: she's got a surprise dinner for him tonight, and also
Speaker 1: she's moving into her new home today.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's absolutely crazy.
Speaker 1: She's been rushing around town trying to get balloons, a cake,
Speaker 1: and then also organize the final papers for a house.
Speaker 2: You know, it was hilarious.
Speaker 1: Kate asked me at lunchtime if I could quickly come
Speaker 1: down with her to collect these balloons because she wanted
Speaker 1: to hide them at my house. And as we were
Speaker 1: driving back, she noticed Reese's car behind us, and he
Speaker 1: was trying to speed up to see what was in
Speaker 1: the car, because he's not meant to know that there's
Speaker 1: a surprise party happening. Anyway, we decided to take a
Speaker 1: left turn a shortcut to the house so we'd miss
Speaker 1: him anyway. It turns out it wasn't even Reese. It
Speaker 1: was just some random guy with the same car as him.
Speaker 1: I'm glad that the secret is safe because I almost
Speaker 1: ruined it and I would have been in so much
Speaker 1: trouble with Kate. I was about to write on his wall,
Speaker 1: happy birthday. Can't wait to celebrate with you tonight. Can
Speaker 1: I just say it just about Facebook messages for birthdays?
Speaker 1: What's your thoughts, because I know a few years ago
Speaker 1: you got in a bit of trouble with our mom
Speaker 1: and also with Kate and I because you wrote that
Speaker 1: Brandon was your favorite person ever. Look, I'm about Instagram.
Speaker 1: I'm not about Facebook anymore on birthdays. I mean for
Speaker 1: our thirtieth birthday, which sadly was almost two years ago,
Speaker 1: I was very distraught because Facebook was down for the
Speaker 1: basically the entire day, so I received no bad messages,
Speaker 1: like a real los on there. Yeah, but yeah, I
Speaker 1: think it's about Instagram now. I think it's about you know,
Speaker 1: putting up nice photos if your boyfriend like funny photos
Speaker 1: and videos. And I think that people shouldn't be so sensitive.
Speaker 1: And you know, when you say someone's your best friend,
Speaker 1: who your favorite person, it's not just specifically them. You
Speaker 1: can have a range of different favorite people.
Speaker 2: One of my favorite.
Speaker 1: People, yes, was the next time Semantics, isn't it since.
Speaker 3: Forty seven?
Speaker 1: Hell? This shit. As the influencer economy grows, so two
Speaker 1: does a desire to make it big online With an
Speaker 1: oversaturated market making it harder to get noticed, many women
Speaker 1: are turning to thirst traps, while revealing photos are a
Speaker 1: guaranteed way to grow a male following, men aren't the
Speaker 1: key demographic for brands. As women steadily become the most
Speaker 1: powerful consumers in the world, big brands want to work
Speaker 1: with influencers who have called evated a strong female following amy.
Speaker 1: How important is it for brands to make sure they're
Speaker 1: working with an influencer who has the right demographic? Well,
Speaker 1: so it's so important and this was highlighted last year
Speaker 1: in May when an eighteen year old influencer with close
Speaker 1: to three million followers failed to sell thirty six T.
Speaker 2: Shirts from her clothing line.
Speaker 1: So this influencer's name is Ari and she made it
Speaker 1: big on Musically, which is now known, of course as TikTok.
Speaker 1: So she announced on her Instagram last year that she'd
Speaker 1: be shutting down her clothing brand. So she had a
Speaker 1: collaboration with the company, and they had told her that
Speaker 1: she needed to sell at least thirty six T shirts
Speaker 1: before they'd expand the brand, but she actually had to
Speaker 1: return T shirts to some of her followers.
Speaker 2: Who had bought them.
Speaker 1: I'm really surprised that the minimum is thirty six T
Speaker 1: shirts when you have three million followers on Instagram. It
Speaker 1: does make you think because you know, whenever an influencer
Speaker 1: launches something, it always sells out. And I feel like
Speaker 1: that's a real marketing spin because some of these influencers,
Speaker 1: as we know now, could be selling thirty six T
Speaker 1: shirts and that's deem does a huge success. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's a very clever marketing ploy because it makes it
Speaker 1: look like something is outrageously successful and popular, when in
Speaker 1: fact you're only selling thirty six products.
Speaker 2: Well this influencer.
Speaker 1: She complained in the post that a number of her
Speaker 1: influential friends hadn't actually shared any content about the release
Speaker 1: of her T shirts, but she also conceded it was
Speaker 1: a major wake up call to work a bit harder.
Speaker 1: I think that's a bit rough to blame your friends
Speaker 1: because they didn't share about it. I mean, come on,
Speaker 1: You've got three million followers on your own. Even if
Speaker 1: a small percentage of your following saw that post, you
Speaker 1: think that would generate more than thirty six purchases. Well,
Speaker 1: a lot of the feedback was the T shirts actually
Speaker 1: didn't match her aesthetic online, and they a lot of
Speaker 1: people said, well, I can't even imagine her wearing the
Speaker 1: T shirt, so how we expected to imagine her followers wearing.
Speaker 2: The T shirt.
Speaker 1: It also spiked a lot of conversation about genuine engagement,
Speaker 1: So a lot of brands obviously just look at the
Speaker 1: number of followers you have rather than the engagement. And
Speaker 1: I think that's so important. I feel like a lot
Speaker 1: of people should be looking into that more. Well. I
Speaker 1: feel like Instagram has really shaken things up because you
Speaker 1: can no longer see people's like counts, it is really
Speaker 1: hard for small brands to determine who they actually want
Speaker 1: to work with and what an influencers engagement is really like.
Speaker 1: And that's where talent managers are really important, because they
Speaker 1: produce documents called media kits which outline that influencers following
Speaker 1: I have one hundred percent agree with that. And it's
Speaker 1: also raised another really interesting point regarding the fact a
Speaker 1: lot of female influencers actually have more male followers than
Speaker 1: female followers, and it's not the right demographic for a
Speaker 1: lot of products that are actually promoting well. I think
Speaker 1: it's difficult because it is such an oversaturated market at
Speaker 1: the moment that young people assume that they've got to
Speaker 1: do something to get noticed, and one good way to
Speaker 1: get noticed is to basically put up revealing photos and
Speaker 1: that is a way that you're going to generate a
Speaker 1: lot of male followers quickly. And I got thinking about
Speaker 1: this topic last week when I heard influence that Madison
Speaker 1: Mooley talk about it on her podcast Now. She was
Speaker 1: joined by her talent manager and they were answering a
Speaker 1: question and in by a follower about whether she gets
Speaker 1: more attention when she puts up bikini photos online and
Speaker 1: she answered the question quite honestly.
Speaker 3: Okay, So I did go on a bit of a
Speaker 3: journey with my account. So if you guys have followed
Speaker 3: me for a while, like I definitely used to just
Speaker 3: post every single photo was like a bikini photo and
Speaker 3: if you oh, yeah, like no teino shade. But if
Speaker 3: you want to grow really fast, like that's definitely I
Speaker 3: guess how you do it. But you're growing from mostly male, Like,
Speaker 3: let's be real, I think it's predominantly male if you're
Speaker 3: posting bikini photos and every photo. And I realized as
Speaker 3: I got it, I was like, I realized that that's
Speaker 3: not kind of the branding that I wanted, Like I
Speaker 3: wanted to have a bigger female audience, and I am passionate,
Speaker 3: passionate about fashion, So I felt like I wasn't actually
Speaker 3: being authentic to myself. I was just looking at the
Speaker 3: numbers and I was growing so quick, and I was like, whoa.
Speaker 3: But then when it comes down to it, that's not
Speaker 3: actually what I felt like was really authentic to myself.
Speaker 3: So I definitely have changed my vibe. And you grow
Speaker 3: such a more dedicated audience when you're being authentic to yourself.
Speaker 3: So you don't have to just post sexy photos to
Speaker 3: get attention. I just think it does take a lot
Speaker 3: more time, I guess, to grow an audience by not
Speaker 3: doing that. Does that make sense?
Speaker 1: She says here that she's made a conscious effort not
Speaker 1: to post revealing bikini photos. I'm not trying to be rude,
Speaker 1: but most of her photos are still bikini photos and
Speaker 1: most of the comments she received from old pervy men.
Speaker 1: The thing that I find interesting is she said it
Speaker 1: didn't feel authentic to be doing that anymore, yet she
Speaker 1: clearly does. I think it's obvious that it's more of
Speaker 1: a business move to look like you've got more of
Speaker 1: a female following.
Speaker 2: Well, I think she's gone to brands, and brands.
Speaker 1: Have said to her, can we see your engagement with
Speaker 1: your female audience? And they've gone, what, You've only got
Speaker 1: x amount of female followers and they don't want to
Speaker 1: work with her. And what's interesting is Madison's not the
Speaker 1: only Australian influencer who does have a really large male following.
Speaker 1: Talia Scines is another one of those influences. And when
Speaker 1: you do look at both of the girls instagrams, you
Speaker 1: can quickly see a trend there's a lot of old
Speaker 1: men leaving comments. I would say it's about ninety percent
Speaker 1: old creepy men, and then there's about five percent genuine
Speaker 1: female followers who leave comments. And then there's the other
Speaker 1: five percent which are just literally influencer friends just posting yes,
Speaker 1: sleigh babe, all those kind of comments. I find this
Speaker 1: highly disturbing. And I won't name the influencer, but it
Speaker 1: is an Australian influencer. Now, she generates on average about
Speaker 1: fourteen thousand likes per post. When she puts up revealing photos,
Speaker 1: she receives close to forty one thousand, so that's more
Speaker 1: than doubling the amount of likes that she gets. Now,
Speaker 1: on this particular post, she receives six hundred and forty
Speaker 1: seven comments. Now, I was appalled by some of the comments.
Speaker 1: These were some of them. Do you have a boyfriend
Speaker 1: so sexy good booty? Well that's not too bad at
Speaker 1: the moment. Now that's an incredibly smooth looking bot bot perfection.
Speaker 1: Buns always make me hungry. Now, I think this one
Speaker 1: is probably the worst. Here, I would not last more
Speaker 1: than five seconds. Now these comments, there are about a
Speaker 1: sprinkle of comments from this girl's friends and then the
Speaker 1: majority were from old men from different countries. And I mean,
Speaker 1: for me, if I'm a brand, I don't really want
Speaker 1: to be aligning with this.
Speaker 2: Well, you can see why a lot.
Speaker 1: Of women would feel compelled to actually post these kind
Speaker 1: of photos because it does boost their Instagram profiles into
Speaker 1: the discovery pages on Instagram, which results in more followers and.
Speaker 2: More engagement on the page.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, if you look at the recent algorithm changes, you
Speaker 1: do get better at engagement. As you said, if photos
Speaker 1: are saved and forwarded on. So what we're guessing here
Speaker 1: is that men are saving these photos in their droves
Speaker 1: and also forwarding them onto their male friends. The issue
Speaker 1: this does raise is though, in terms of a brand
Speaker 1: looking at one of these influencers page. If, for example,
Speaker 1: there's an Aussie influencer who's posting lots of bikini pictures
Speaker 1: and they want to be known for their fashion or
Speaker 1: or their makeup skills or whatever it is, there's going
Speaker 1: to be a lot of brands who are confused and say,
Speaker 1: are we working with someone who has an OnlyFans account
Speaker 1: or are we working with somebody who is genuinely wanting
Speaker 1: to promote products through a largely engaged female audience. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I definitely think there would be a lot of confusion
Speaker 1: from brands, and I do really feel for the small
Speaker 1: brands who are don't have much money and are looking
Speaker 1: for someone genuine to advertise with. I have actually noticed
Speaker 1: there are a number of ossie influencers who do have
Speaker 1: large male followings that have brought out their own clothing
Speaker 1: lines in recent times, and these clothing lines.
Speaker 2: Are off their own back.
Speaker 1: They haven't been a collaboration with a particular brand. So
Speaker 1: I'm wondering if there are brands out there who aren't
Speaker 1: wanting to collaborate with people with such a skewed audience.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm assuming that the brand is happy to take
Speaker 1: the risk if it's merely a post they're doing, but
Speaker 1: they don't want to put the funds into putting someone
Speaker 1: like that as the face of their business. It is
Speaker 1: interesting that you touch on the fact that a lot
Speaker 1: of influencers have brought out their own brands. You look
Speaker 1: at Tarlia Scaines and she's actually brought out a unisex brand,
Speaker 1: which is quite clever because she is utilizing that larger
Speaker 1: male audience that she does have. Yeah, that's a really
Speaker 1: good point, and I think that a lot of the
Speaker 1: influencers who are bringing out their own brands might be
Speaker 1: discovering the it's almost a bit of a waste of
Speaker 1: time because if you look at how much money they
Speaker 1: do get paid for a single post from a brand,
Speaker 1: it's such a large amount of money. And then when
Speaker 1: you break down the costs that are associated with launching
Speaker 1: a clothing brand in terms of investing in product marketing,
Speaker 1: selling it, posting it, they actually don't seem to make
Speaker 1: as much money back, to be honest. So I have
Speaker 1: more respect for influencers that do start their own brands,
Speaker 1: I mean, even if it isn't the best investment for them,
Speaker 1: because there's more longevity in having your own brand than
Speaker 1: merely taking and accepting brand deals from other people. I mean,
Speaker 1: are they going to be being offered these sort of
Speaker 1: brand deals in twenty years time. Probably not, But they
Speaker 1: might use those skills they've learned from having their own
Speaker 1: business in the next venture they go into.
Speaker 2: Oh I agree.
Speaker 1: I think that it's a good idea to try and
Speaker 1: create a brand off being an influencer, But if your
Speaker 1: audience isn't very much engaged, it's actually a real waste.
Speaker 2: Of time and a real waste of money.
Speaker 1: Well, if you want a good example of someone who
Speaker 1: has very cleverly targeted towards their predominant male audience, and
Speaker 1: they have to look at Alex Cooper from call Her Daddy.
Speaker 1: The podcast. They do a lot of ads for things
Speaker 1: like via agir and adult stores, so they have really
Speaker 1: been very clever with who they are targeting, and it's
Speaker 1: worthwhile for them to do it because that's their dominant audience.
Speaker 1: So it's funny that you say that, because the interesting
Speaker 1: thing about Caller Daddy is it's a podcast that's featured
Speaker 1: on the Barstool Network, which is a podcast network, and
Speaker 1: they've always had male skewed shows all about sports, so
Speaker 1: they actually brought in call Their Daddy to get more
Speaker 1: of a female audience because they realized how big the
Speaker 1: female market is. Yeah, well's no surprise because women are
Speaker 1: such powerful consumers. I read an article and it said
Speaker 1: that if the consumer economy had a gender, it would
Speaker 1: be female, with seventy to eighty percent of all consumer
Speaker 1: decisions being made by women, which is really crazy. Just
Speaker 1: back to your point about Caller Daddy and the fact
Speaker 1: that they have ads for Viagar and sex toys and
Speaker 1: all of those kinds of things. Do you think that
Speaker 1: people like Madison Willye and Tylie Escaines should be advertising
Speaker 1: products like that. Well, I think that they're within their
Speaker 1: own rights to evolve and change, and if they want
Speaker 1: to cultivate a predominantly female audience, they are able to
Speaker 1: do that. However, I think that if you are going
Speaker 1: to be accepting money from brands which are targeted towards women,
Speaker 1: you do have to be upfront about the fact that
Speaker 1: you don't have a huge female audience. Yeah, and you've
Speaker 1: got to be putting out content that females are actually
Speaker 1: going to want to consume. Well, it's clearly why a
Speaker 1: lot of these girls have started their own YouTube channel,
Speaker 1: because they are trying to put their personality out there.
Speaker 1: And I think we do expect so much more from
Speaker 1: the people we follow now. We want influencers to be
Speaker 1: relatable and real. It's almost like you want to follow
Speaker 1: someone who you see as being a friend or on
Speaker 1: someone on your level.
Speaker 2: That's exactly right.
Speaker 1: And in the Madison podcast that you mentioned before, what
Speaker 1: really frustrated me was the way that the girls and
Speaker 1: also the brand manager were talking about deals everything.
Speaker 2: Was about selling something.
Speaker 1: Selles selles sell, and I've got to say working in PR,
Speaker 1: while it is important for influencers to make money, you've
Speaker 1: also got to think about the money that you leave
Speaker 1: on the table to construct your brand, because it's not
Speaker 1: always good to take that brand deal. Sometimes it's best
Speaker 1: to just actually put organic content out there so people
Speaker 1: actually like you and believe in what you're promoting. That's right.
Speaker 1: It's all about being authentic. And I think that's, you know,
Speaker 1: a word that people throw around as a bit of
Speaker 1: a wank fest at the moment, but it's true. People
Speaker 1: want to follow someone and see products that they authentically like. Well.
Speaker 2: I heard a really.
Speaker 1: Interesting interview the other day with the Inspired Unemployed on
Speaker 1: Shameless and they were talking about how they leave so
Speaker 1: many deals on the table, and that's to ensure they
Speaker 1: have longevity within the industry. They said, if they were
Speaker 1: to take everything like they could literally do ads for
Speaker 1: every product. They've got so many people coming to them,
Speaker 1: but they say no to ninety nine percent of things.
Speaker 1: Scar Let's get into our influencer wrap and so this
Speaker 1: one involves Shanni Grimmond. Yeah, it was a bit of
Speaker 1: a different one. Shanni Grimman jumped on an Instagram story
Speaker 1: to speak about the colonic irrigation procedure that she received
Speaker 1: last week. Now, for those who don't know, it is
Speaker 1: basically a coal and cleansing, so it is she revolves
Speaker 1: with you being put into your anus and it flushes
Speaker 1: out your bow with water. So basically it claims to
Speaker 1: remove unspecified toxins from the colon and also remove an
Speaker 1: accumulation of feces. So it's not the most glamorous things
Speaker 1: to speak about on your Instagram story. I feel like
Speaker 1: anyone who's seen the Kardashians will know all about colonic
Speaker 1: irrigations because Courtney was always getting them done.
Speaker 2: And getting my anama done.
Speaker 1: Now, the reason we want to speak about this on
Speaker 1: the podcast is because we touched on last week that
Speaker 1: Shani has fears that she has breast implant illness. Now
Speaker 1: these sort of gut issues are a symptom of it.
Speaker 1: So it is interesting that she's going to the lengths
Speaker 1: of having a colonic irrigation done before, which is quite smart,
Speaker 1: before going and having surgery. So she wants to find
Speaker 1: out what is behind this illness that she's having. She's
Speaker 1: also go B twelve shot done so I mean, she's
Speaker 1: obviously doing all she can to avoid getting the breast
Speaker 1: implants out. Yeah, it's good that she's investigating the root
Speaker 1: cause of her illness. And I've got to say we
Speaker 1: were talking before or about influencers being a bit more
Speaker 1: real and raw. This is why Shanny has such a
Speaker 1: huge following because she posts content like this. This is
Speaker 1: what women want to see. It sounds weird, but we
Speaker 1: want to see people having colonic irrigations on Instagram, don't we.
Speaker 1: I actually had a look in preparation for the first
Speaker 1: topic to see because I have her mediate kit and
Speaker 1: I wanted to see her percentage of female following, and
Speaker 1: she has around seventy seven percent females, so you can good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can see why she is so popular. Now, going
Speaker 1: back to the chronic irrigation, a few followers did have
Speaker 1: a problem with her sharing her experience with it because
Speaker 1: the next day she spoke about the fact that her
Speaker 1: stomach was so flat afterwards, and people thought that she
Speaker 1: was encouraging using this procedure as a weight loss. Well,
Speaker 1: I can kind of see how people could take it
Speaker 1: the wrong way, but it's so hard. I feel like
Speaker 1: as an influencer because I don't think Shanny necessarily meant
Speaker 1: to put up a photo to promote weight.
Speaker 2: Loss in that respect at all.
Speaker 1: I think she was quite honest and open as to
Speaker 1: why she was getting the colonic irrigation done. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: think she was just sharing about it because many of
Speaker 1: her followers also probably have gut problems, so to show
Speaker 1: whether it's something they perhaps.
Speaker 2: Want to do exactly.
Speaker 1: Well, what about Sky Wheatley, because she's again in our
Speaker 1: Influencer rapp and this time she's had a massive ranch
Speaker 1: on an instant story about a negative experience at Harburtown. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: it seems like she had a bit of a run
Speaker 1: in with some shop assistance. The first one was in
Speaker 1: a toy store and the shop assistant apparently yelled at
Speaker 1: Forest for slobbering over some toys. Now that's pretty offensive.
Speaker 1: I can see why she's upset about that. And she
Speaker 1: also had a run in with someone at Boost Juice
Speaker 1: who was apparently very grumpy with her because she asked
Speaker 1: for her boost juice to be blended twice. Now. I
Speaker 1: don't know who's in the wrong there, perhaps her. This
Speaker 1: kind of reminds me of our discussion from a few
Speaker 1: episodes ago about altercations with either rude shop assistants or
Speaker 1: you being the rude customer. I'm not sure who's in
Speaker 1: the wrong there. I mean, we're only hearing Sky's version
Speaker 1: of events, so who knows. Yeah, that's all right now.
Speaker 1: She's also got a bit of attention this week because
Speaker 1: she had a bit of a sponsored post fail.
Speaker 2: Did you see this? Yes? I did.
Speaker 1: Celebrity Spellcheck shared this and it was hilarious. She obviously
Speaker 1: got sent over her brief and she's gone and copied
Speaker 1: and pasted this information into her Insta story, not realizing
Speaker 1: that some of it wasn't meant to be in the post. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it was a photo of her in a yellow
Speaker 1: bikini and pasted in was this comment. All yours are
Speaker 1: Brazilian butt coverage, but we also have options to choose
Speaker 1: cheeky for more butt coverage on all of the bottoms.
Speaker 1: Isn't that just like it can't be fucked moment? Like,
Speaker 1: oh fuck, I've got to put this instance story out.
Speaker 1: I can't be bothered to read the thing this will do.
Speaker 1: I could definitely see how it could happen, But when
Speaker 1: you've got that much money on the line for something
Speaker 1: as small as a post. I think you've got to
Speaker 1: get it right. Oh definitely. And that seems to be
Speaker 1: the end of celeb Spellcheck and Sky Wheetley's friendship. She's
Speaker 1: now blocked them and she used to be a poster
Speaker 1: on there, so it's quite I don't know. It seems
Speaker 1: like a sad moment that she won't be sharing her
Speaker 1: thoughts on there anymore. I have a feeling she'd be back,
Speaker 1: you know. Sometimes the block just out of pure rage
Speaker 1: and anger. Well, just moving on now to Abby Chatfield
Speaker 1: and Danny Clayton, and there's rumors that the pair are
Speaker 1: dating after Abby uploaded a series of photos of the
Speaker 1: two together. Well, she's actually confirmed on her paids that
Speaker 1: the pair are just friends. So that has been a
Speaker 1: rumor that's been circulating over the weekend because she did
Speaker 1: post them rather interesting loved up photos, as the Daily
Speaker 1: Mail would like to call them. One was of her
Speaker 1: resting her head on Danny's chest. There was another where
Speaker 1: she made a tongue in cheek reference to her time
Speaker 1: on The Bachelor Cush there was some sort of Rose reference.
Speaker 1: So I'm kind of disappointed that they're not together. I
Speaker 1: don't know how I feel. I mean, I'd love to
Speaker 1: see Abby find love, but also I'm a bit confused
Speaker 1: because he's been on her podcast a number of times
Speaker 1: and they spoke about how they first met and Abby
Speaker 1: gushed about how lovely he was and that she had a.
Speaker 2: Crush on him in year nine. So I don't know
Speaker 2: what's going on there.
Speaker 1: I did wonder if this was a bit of a
Speaker 1: quote soft launch, like we discussed on the show a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago, how there are a lot of
Speaker 1: influencers who have been teasing relationship that they've just gotten into.
Speaker 1: So who knows, Maybe they just maybe they're having fun
Speaker 1: pretending that they're in a relationship and it might lead
Speaker 1: to more. Well, she did speak on Tully's Smythe's podcast
Speaker 1: referencing his appendage size.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1: It's safe to say that the two have obviously been
Speaker 1: casually dating. Maybe they're just dating, but they're not in
Speaker 1: fact boyfriend and girlfriend, and I think it is up
Speaker 1: to Abby for her to tell everyone when they are
Speaker 1: actually an item.
Speaker 2: Well, just moving on to a.
Speaker 1: Trend I've noticed on Instagram. It's the eyebrow lamination. Have
Speaker 1: you been seeing this? Every influencer seems to be getting
Speaker 1: it done. I thought I was going mad because I
Speaker 1: was like, what the hell's going on with their eyebrows?
Speaker 1: It looks absolutely wild. So basically, it's this new treatment
Speaker 1: from Europe and it's just hitting Australia now, So who knows,
Speaker 1: next week I may have my eyebrows in this ridiculous way.
Speaker 1: I'm very influenced at times.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised.
Speaker 1: Now it's been described as a lash lift for your eyebrows,
Speaker 1: so every hairstrand is standing to attention, so it's basically
Speaker 1: just up straight and it gives a result very similar
Speaker 1: apparent to a full and feathery effect that Mike Reblating gives. Look,
Speaker 1: I can tell you, regardless of how in fashion this
Speaker 1: is going to be, I'm not ever getting this done.
Speaker 1: I think it looks ridiculous now. A hot tip for
Speaker 1: the listeners who can't see Amy at the moment. She
Speaker 1: is heavily praised quite often because she has beautiful eyebrows,
Speaker 1: very very naturally, so I mean you don't need to
Speaker 1: do anything to them. I feel like, oh, thank you, Sophie.
Speaker 1: You've never said such kind things to me on this podcast,
Speaker 1: but it did make me think you know when they
Speaker 1: often say that you shouldn't just follow a trend, you
Speaker 1: should always just stick to what looks good on you.
Speaker 1: I feel like this is one of these instances where
Speaker 1: even if someone looks amazing, because I saw Olivia Rodgers
Speaker 1: recently had her eyebrows laminated, I think that's the term,
Speaker 1: and she just looks incredible. She could look incredible at
Speaker 1: a paper bag, but if I would and did it,
Speaker 1: I'd look like I've been electrocuted. So it's one that
Speaker 1: I think you have to be careful getting it done.
Speaker 1: It is funny when you do look at how eyebrows
Speaker 1: have changed over time. In the early nineties, it was
Speaker 1: all about plucking them incredibly thin. The cosmetic industry is like, wow,
Speaker 1: we can make money off making people fill them in,
Speaker 1: and now we can make money off people having to micro.
Speaker 2: Blade and laminate them.
Speaker 1: People are going to get them permanently laminated and then
Speaker 1: have to pay to have them.
Speaker 2: Put back normally.
Speaker 1: Now, what about Tarlia Skaines, Because we spoke about her earlier,
Speaker 1: she's also.
Speaker 2: In our Influencer rap.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was really interesting because she spoke on Instagram
Speaker 1: about the business side of influencing, which I think we're
Speaker 1: seeing a lot more influencers talk about personally, I really
Speaker 1: enjoy hearing about it. I feel like it's actually giving
Speaker 1: an insight into their real, everyday life. Anyway, So she
Speaker 1: spoke about how many people she actually has working for her.
Speaker 1: Has her business Third Fix with her boyfriend Mitch, and
Speaker 1: she's also about to launch a new business. So she
Speaker 1: spoke about the fact that she actually has two different
Speaker 1: pas working for her. She has a number of people
Speaker 1: working for her also in the factory. So it was
Speaker 1: really interesting because you do, as a follower, get this
Speaker 1: perspective that it's like a one woman show and it's
Speaker 1: a very small thing. Can I just say, I find
Speaker 1: out odd that a lot of influences don't share on
Speaker 1: YouTube that side of their life because I'm actually judging
Speaker 1: them more when I watch it and they look like
Speaker 1: they're doing nothing, because I would actually like to see
Speaker 1: them doing some of this stuff.
Speaker 2: Of course, you want to see.
Speaker 1: Some of their mindless mook buns and also their daily
Speaker 1: vlogs where it looks like they're just going shopping and
Speaker 1: getting their eyebrows done. But I also want to see
Speaker 1: that side. It's a bit like when Sarah's day puts
Speaker 1: content up and she always asks her audience, do you
Speaker 1: guys want to see more of my business life? And
Speaker 1: I actually find that really interesting. I feel like people
Speaker 1: enjoy escaping. It's nice sometimes to just watch something that's
Speaker 1: kind of mind numbingly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But how is it.
Speaker 1: Any different if one of them is talking about their
Speaker 1: day and they're saying, Oh, I'm just actually talking to
Speaker 1: my pa or I'm going down to the factory to
Speaker 1: make sure everything's okay. Well, it's because it's not relatable.
Speaker 1: These people are supposed to be relatable. It's not relatable
Speaker 1: them doing nothing at home. It was also not relatable
Speaker 1: them showing off all they're wealthy. Do you know why?
Speaker 1: Because I think the reason they do it is because
Speaker 1: it seems more glamorous that they're getting paid a lot
Speaker 1: of money to do not very much. Now let's finish
Speaker 1: off Jade twin Che's laatest haircut.
Speaker 2: Now, this is.
Speaker 1: Hard hitting stuff here, Sophie. It's incredibly hard hitting. But
Speaker 1: I feel like many women will like this story or
Speaker 1: be able to relate to the shock of this story. Now,
Speaker 1: she has incredible hair. It goes kind of down to
Speaker 1: her waist. It's beautiful hair. You often don't see hair
Speaker 1: like this. It's usually hair extensions. But it's her natural hair,
Speaker 1: and she has cut it to i'd say about her
Speaker 1: shoulders the way you were gesturing, it's above boob levels. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just a boob yeah, And I mean it looks great.
Speaker 1: I've thought looked very stylish. But I was just in
Speaker 1: shock that you would cut beautiful hair like that, Sophie.
Speaker 1: I don't even know if you mentioned this key point.
Speaker 1: But she cut it herself. Oh I didn't know that fat.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she cut her hair herself.
Speaker 1: She went on her Insta story and she started trimming
Speaker 1: her hair and all of a sudden she cut it
Speaker 1: above boob. It still looked phenomenal. I was like, Wow,
Speaker 1: that haircut looked really good, and you wouldn't know that
Speaker 1: she cut it herself. She actually had wrotten her Insta story.
Speaker 1: Hairdressers look away because she just grabbed a bunch of
Speaker 1: it and cut. Personally, As someone who struggles with their hair,
Speaker 1: I am very envious. I'm sure next month it'll have
Speaker 1: grown back.
Speaker 2: Oh, definitely.
Speaker 1: It's a bit like when Sammy Robinson cut her hair.
Speaker 1: In the next week she had a full maine again. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I think that's all we've got time for today. We
Speaker 1: hope you enjoyed the podcast and you didn't miss Kate
Speaker 1: too much.
Speaker 2: We are very excited.
Speaker 1: On Thursday, we will be launching our fifth a very
Speaker 1: outspoken Christmas episode, and we are joined by the incredible
Speaker 1: Courtney Maine and she is a Queen of Christmas. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I love Courtney.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited for you guys to hear our chat
Speaker 1: with her. Oh so, if you guys do have a second,
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