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Speaker 1: This is Outspoken. The podcast is not afraid to say

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Speaker 1: exactly what you're thinking. Our names are Amy Kate and

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Speaker 1: Sophie Torvah. We're identical triplets, but we often don't have

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Speaker 1: identical opinions, so sometimes things can get heated. Outspoken covers

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Speaker 1: all things reality TV, influences, entertainment, and issues facing women.

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Speaker 2: That is so fat Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Now we've got the dream team here today, it's just

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Speaker 1: Sophie and Amy. Kate has been spending the whole day

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Speaker 1: spoiling her boyfriend. It is his thirtieth birthday today, and

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Speaker 1: I'm very excited because he has been teasing us for

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Speaker 1: years now about the fact that we are in our thirties.

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Speaker 1: I love that you say that she's spoiling Reese today

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Speaker 1: because he's at work. She's just been running errands because

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Speaker 1: she's got a surprise dinner for him tonight, and also

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Speaker 1: she's moving into her new home today.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's absolutely crazy.

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Speaker 1: She's been rushing around town trying to get balloons, a cake,

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Speaker 2: You know, it was hilarious.

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Speaker 1: Kate asked me at lunchtime if I could quickly come

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Speaker 1: down with her to collect these balloons because she wanted

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Speaker 1: to hide them at my house. And as we were

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Speaker 1: driving back, she noticed Reese's car behind us, and he

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Speaker 1: the car, because he's not meant to know that there's

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Speaker 1: a surprise party happening. Anyway, we decided to take a

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Speaker 1: left turn a shortcut to the house so we'd miss

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Speaker 1: him anyway. It turns out it wasn't even Reese. It

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Speaker 1: was just some random guy with the same car as him.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad that the secret is safe because I almost

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Speaker 1: ruined it and I would have been in so much

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Speaker 1: trouble with Kate. I was about to write on his wall,

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Speaker 1: happy birthday. Can't wait to celebrate with you tonight. Can

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Speaker 1: I just say it just about Facebook messages for birthdays?

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Speaker 1: What's your thoughts, because I know a few years ago

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Speaker 1: you got in a bit of trouble with our mom

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Speaker 1: and also with Kate and I because you wrote that

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Speaker 1: Brandon was your favorite person ever. Look, I'm about Instagram.

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Speaker 1: I'm not about Facebook anymore on birthdays. I mean for

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Speaker 1: our thirtieth birthday, which sadly was almost two years ago,

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Speaker 1: I was very distraught because Facebook was down for the

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Speaker 1: basically the entire day, so I received no bad messages,

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Speaker 1: like a real los on there. Yeah, but yeah, I

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Speaker 1: think it's about Instagram now. I think it's about you know,

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Speaker 1: putting up nice photos if your boyfriend like funny photos

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Speaker 1: and videos. And I think that people shouldn't be so sensitive.

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Speaker 1: And you know, when you say someone's your best friend,

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Speaker 1: who your favorite person, it's not just specifically them. You

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Speaker 2: One of my favorite.

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Speaker 1: People, yes, was the next time Semantics, isn't it since.

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Speaker 3: Forty seven?

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Speaker 1: Hell? This shit. As the influencer economy grows, so two

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Speaker 1: does a desire to make it big online With an

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Speaker 1: oversaturated market making it harder to get noticed, many women

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Speaker 1: are turning to thirst traps, while revealing photos are a

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Speaker 1: key demographic for brands. As women steadily become the most

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Speaker 1: powerful consumers in the world, big brands want to work

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Speaker 1: with influencers who have called evated a strong female following amy.

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Speaker 1: How important is it for brands to make sure they're

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Speaker 1: working with an influencer who has the right demographic? Well,

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Speaker 1: so it's so important and this was highlighted last year

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Speaker 1: in May when an eighteen year old influencer with close

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Speaker 1: So this influencer's name is Ari and she made it

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Speaker 1: I'm really surprised that the minimum is thirty six T

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Speaker 1: She complained in the post that a number of her

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Speaker 1: I think that's a bit rough to blame your friends

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Speaker 1: You've got three million followers on your own. Even if

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Speaker 1: think that would generate more than thirty six purchases. Well,

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Speaker 1: It also spiked a lot of conversation about genuine engagement,

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Speaker 1: So a lot of brands obviously just look at the

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Speaker 1: And that's where talent managers are really important, because they

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Speaker 1: female followers, and it's not the right demographic for a

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Speaker 1: that is a way that you're going to generate a

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Speaker 3: post every single photo was like a bikini photo and

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Speaker 3: guess how you do it. But you're growing from mostly male, Like,

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Speaker 3: let's be real, I think it's predominantly male if you're

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Speaker 3: posting bikini photos and every photo. And I realized as

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Speaker 3: But then when it comes down to it, that's not

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Speaker 3: So I definitely have changed my vibe. And you grow

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Speaker 3: such a more dedicated audience when you're being authentic to yourself.

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Speaker 3: So you don't have to just post sexy photos to

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Speaker 1: She says here that she's made a conscious effort not

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Speaker 1: most of the comments she received from old pervy men.

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Speaker 1: The thing that I find interesting is she said it

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Speaker 2: Well, I think she's gone to brands, and brands.

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Speaker 1: Have said to her, can we see your engagement with

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Speaker 1: Talia Scines is another one of those influences. And when

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Speaker 1: you do look at both of the girls instagrams, you

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Speaker 1: five percent which are just literally influencer friends just posting yes,

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Speaker 1: fourteen thousand likes per post. When she puts up revealing photos,

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Speaker 1: majority were from old men from different countries. And I mean,

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Speaker 2: Well, you can see why a lot.

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Speaker 1: the discovery pages on Instagram, which results in more followers and.

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Speaker 1: this does raise is though, in terms of a brand

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Speaker 1: looking at one of these influencers page. If, for example,

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Speaker 1: there's an Aussie influencer who's posting lots of bikini pictures

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Speaker 1: to be a lot of brands who are confused and say,

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Speaker 1: are we working with someone who has an OnlyFans account

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Speaker 1: pretending that they're in a relationship and it might lead

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Speaker 1: to more. Well, she did speak on Tully's Smythe's podcast

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Speaker 1: referencing his appendage size.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean.

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Speaker 1: It's safe to say that the two have obviously been

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Speaker 1: casually dating. Maybe they're just dating, but they're not in

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Speaker 1: fact boyfriend and girlfriend, and I think it is up

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Speaker 1: to Abby for her to tell everyone when they are

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Speaker 1: actually an item.

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Speaker 2: Well, just moving on to a.

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Speaker 1: Trend I've noticed on Instagram. It's the eyebrow lamination. Have

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Speaker 1: you been seeing this? Every influencer seems to be getting

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Speaker 1: it done. I thought I was going mad because I

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Speaker 1: was like, what the hell's going on with their eyebrows?

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Speaker 1: It looks absolutely wild. So basically, it's this new treatment

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Speaker 1: from Europe and it's just hitting Australia now, So who knows,

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Speaker 1: next week I may have my eyebrows in this ridiculous way.

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Speaker 1: I'm very influenced at times.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised.

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Speaker 1: Now it's been described as a lash lift for your eyebrows,

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Speaker 1: so every hairstrand is standing to attention, so it's basically

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Speaker 1: just up straight and it gives a result very similar

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Speaker 1: apparent to a full and feathery effect that Mike Reblating gives. Look,

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Speaker 1: I can tell you, regardless of how in fashion this

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Speaker 1: is going to be, I'm not ever getting this done.

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Speaker 1: I think it looks ridiculous now. A hot tip for

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Speaker 1: the listeners who can't see Amy at the moment. She

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Speaker 1: is heavily praised quite often because she has beautiful eyebrows,

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Speaker 1: very very naturally, so I mean you don't need to

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Speaker 1: do anything to them. I feel like, oh, thank you, Sophie.

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Speaker 1: You've never said such kind things to me on this podcast,

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Speaker 1: but it did make me think you know when they

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Speaker 1: often say that you shouldn't just follow a trend, you

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Speaker 1: should always just stick to what looks good on you.

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Speaker 1: I feel like this is one of these instances where

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Speaker 1: even if someone looks amazing, because I saw Olivia Rodgers

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Speaker 1: recently had her eyebrows laminated, I think that's the term,

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Speaker 1: and she just looks incredible. She could look incredible at

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Speaker 1: a paper bag, but if I would and did it,

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Speaker 1: I'd look like I've been electrocuted. So it's one that

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Speaker 1: I think you have to be careful getting it done.

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Speaker 1: It is funny when you do look at how eyebrows

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Speaker 1: have changed over time. In the early nineties, it was

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Speaker 1: all about plucking them incredibly thin. The cosmetic industry is like, wow,

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Speaker 1: we can make money off making people fill them in,

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Speaker 1: and now we can make money off people having to micro.

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Speaker 2: Blade and laminate them.

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Speaker 1: People are going to get them permanently laminated and then

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Speaker 1: have to pay to have them.

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Speaker 2: Put back normally.

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Speaker 1: Now, what about Tarlia Skaines, Because we spoke about her earlier,

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Speaker 1: she's also.

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Speaker 2: In our Influencer rap.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was really interesting because she spoke on Instagram

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Speaker 1: about the business side of influencing, which I think we're

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Speaker 1: seeing a lot more influencers talk about personally, I really

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Speaker 1: enjoy hearing about it. I feel like it's actually giving

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Speaker 1: an insight into their real, everyday life. Anyway, So she

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Speaker 1: spoke about how many people she actually has working for her.

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Speaker 1: Has her business Third Fix with her boyfriend Mitch, and

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Speaker 1: she's also about to launch a new business. So she

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Speaker 1: spoke about the fact that she actually has two different

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Speaker 1: pas working for her. She has a number of people

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Speaker 1: working for her also in the factory. So it was

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Speaker 1: really interesting because you do, as a follower, get this

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Speaker 1: perspective that it's like a one woman show and it's

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Speaker 1: a very small thing. Can I just say, I find

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Speaker 1: out odd that a lot of influences don't share on

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Speaker 1: YouTube that side of their life because I'm actually judging

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Speaker 1: them more when I watch it and they look like

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Speaker 1: they're doing nothing, because I would actually like to see

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Speaker 1: them doing some of this stuff.

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Speaker 2: Of course, you want to see.

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Speaker 1: Some of their mindless mook buns and also their daily

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Speaker 1: vlogs where it looks like they're just going shopping and

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Speaker 1: getting their eyebrows done. But I also want to see

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Speaker 1: that side. It's a bit like when Sarah's day puts

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Speaker 1: content up and she always asks her audience, do you

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Speaker 1: guys want to see more of my business life? And

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Speaker 1: I actually find that really interesting. I feel like people

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Speaker 1: enjoy escaping. It's nice sometimes to just watch something that's

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Speaker 1: kind of mind numbingly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, But how is it.

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Speaker 1: Any different if one of them is talking about their

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Speaker 1: day and they're saying, Oh, I'm just actually talking to

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Speaker 1: my pa or I'm going down to the factory to

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Speaker 1: make sure everything's okay. Well, it's because it's not relatable.

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Speaker 1: These people are supposed to be relatable. It's not relatable

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Speaker 1: them doing nothing at home. It was also not relatable

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Speaker 1: them showing off all they're wealthy. Do you know why?

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Speaker 1: Because I think the reason they do it is because

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Speaker 1: it seems more glamorous that they're getting paid a lot

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Speaker 1: of money to do not very much. Now let's finish

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Speaker 1: off Jade twin Che's laatest haircut.

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Speaker 2: Now, this is.

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Speaker 1: Hard hitting stuff here, Sophie. It's incredibly hard hitting. But

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Speaker 1: I feel like many women will like this story or

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Speaker 1: be able to relate to the shock of this story. Now,

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Speaker 1: she has incredible hair. It goes kind of down to

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Speaker 1: her waist. It's beautiful hair. You often don't see hair

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Speaker 1: like this. It's usually hair extensions. But it's her natural hair,

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Speaker 1: and she has cut it to i'd say about her

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Speaker 1: shoulders the way you were gesturing, it's above boob levels. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's just a boob yeah, And I mean it looks great.

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Speaker 1: I've thought looked very stylish. But I was just in

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Speaker 1: shock that you would cut beautiful hair like that, Sophie.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know if you mentioned this key point.

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Speaker 1: But she cut it herself. Oh I didn't know that fat.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she cut her hair herself.

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Speaker 1: She went on her Insta story and she started trimming

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Speaker 1: her hair and all of a sudden she cut it

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Speaker 1: above boob. It still looked phenomenal. I was like, Wow,

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Speaker 1: that haircut looked really good, and you wouldn't know that

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Speaker 1: she cut it herself. She actually had wrotten her Insta story.

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Speaker 1: Hairdressers look away because she just grabbed a bunch of

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Speaker 1: it and cut. Personally, As someone who struggles with their hair,

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Speaker 1: I am very envious. I'm sure next month it'll have

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Speaker 1: grown back.

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Speaker 2: Oh, definitely.

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Speaker 1: It's a bit like when Sammy Robinson cut her hair.

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Speaker 1: In the next week she had a full maine again. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: I think that's all we've got time for today. We

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Speaker 1: hope you enjoyed the podcast and you didn't miss Kate

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Speaker 1: too much.

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Speaker 2: We are very excited.

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Speaker 1: On Thursday, we will be launching our fifth a very

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Speaker 1: outspoken Christmas episode, and we are joined by the incredible

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Speaker 1: Courtney Maine and she is a Queen of Christmas. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I love Courtney.

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited for you guys to hear our chat

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Speaker 1: with her. Oh so, if you guys do have a second,

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