WEBVTT - Everything Feels Increasingly Political. Navigating Conversations With People Who Have Different Politics - Uncut with Zara Seidler 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:02.200 This episode was recorded on Cameragle Land. 0:00:12.119 --> 0:00:14.440 Hi, guys, and welcome back to another episode of Life Uncut. 0:00:14.480 --> 0:00:15.720 I'm Laura, I'm Brittany. 0:00:15.920 --> 0:00:18.400 Now, as you all, i'm sure are very aware, there 0:00:18.440 --> 0:00:21.280 is an important federal election coming up on May the third, 0:00:21.600 --> 0:00:23.160 and you might have also noticed that when it comes 0:00:23.200 --> 0:00:26.440 to politics, it can be particularly tricky to navigate these 0:00:26.480 --> 0:00:28.840 conversations with the people that you love in your life, 0:00:29.160 --> 0:00:32.320 especially when they sit on opposite sides of the fence. Today, 0:00:32.360 --> 0:00:34.560 we are joined by Zara Seidler, who is the co 0:00:34.640 --> 0:00:37.760 founder of The Daily Oz. But Zara has experience in 0:00:37.800 --> 0:00:40.440 the political world and also has a degree in political science, 0:00:40.760 --> 0:00:43.360 International and Global studies, majoring in government. 0:00:43.400 --> 0:00:45.200 If we want to get very specific. 0:00:44.760 --> 0:00:48.000 With things, very specific, very specific, okay, we wanted to 0:00:48.000 --> 0:00:51.800 dive into how pop culture has become increasingly political, especially 0:00:51.840 --> 0:00:53.400 I mean we saw it first in the US and 0:00:53.440 --> 0:00:57.200 that has really migrated into how we are navigating this 0:00:57.280 --> 0:01:00.560 election currently, why the divide in the left and the 0:01:00.600 --> 0:01:03.960 right feels very extreme at the moment, and perhaps most importantly, 0:01:04.400 --> 0:01:07.120 how do we have these conversations with people that we 0:01:07.200 --> 0:01:09.000 love who have alternate views to us. 0:01:09.200 --> 0:01:12.400 Zarah, Welcome to the podcast. Thanks for having me, girls, 0:01:12.720 --> 0:01:15.840 time coming. I know, I'm really stoked to be here. 0:01:15.840 --> 0:01:18.080 Just a small topic to talk about in my first podcast. 0:01:18.200 --> 0:01:23.880 Yeah, like yea, but where does your I mean we 0:01:23.880 --> 0:01:26.040 were just speaking off Mike before this started, just about 0:01:26.040 --> 0:01:28.520 how and where you started. You studied overseas in the US, 0:01:28.560 --> 0:01:32.800 you studied in Georgetown. Where did your obsession come for politics? 0:01:32.880 --> 0:01:35.080 Was it always something like through high school? Because it's 0:01:35.120 --> 0:01:38.760 such I mean, it's so niche what you have studied, 0:01:38.840 --> 0:01:40.240 So talk to us about how you ended up in 0:01:40.240 --> 0:01:40.880 this industry. 0:01:41.080 --> 0:01:44.320 I have always been interested in the news. I was 0:01:44.440 --> 0:01:46.360 just like, kind of that really nosy. I think it's 0:01:46.360 --> 0:01:49.720 actually just nosiness. I want to know everything all the time, 0:01:50.080 --> 0:01:52.400 and so my family always tells me that when I 0:01:52.440 --> 0:01:55.240 was younger, I would come downstairs in my family home 0:01:55.320 --> 0:01:57.480 and just announce news to them. I wanted to be 0:01:57.520 --> 0:02:00.000 the one that told them what had happened. I distinctly 0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:02.720 remember when Michael Jackson died. I came down I was like, guys, 0:02:02.720 --> 0:02:06.040 you won't believe it. He's dead, and everyone's like, good morning, Zarah, 0:02:06.120 --> 0:02:07.880 it's a pleasure to see you this morning. 0:02:08.080 --> 0:02:10.640 It's so funny you say that I was the same child. 0:02:11.320 --> 0:02:13.920 My favorite thing to do every morning as a teenager, 0:02:13.960 --> 0:02:15.600 I was read the news and coming to my family 0:02:15.639 --> 0:02:16.200 at breakfast. 0:02:16.200 --> 0:02:18.480 But I think, like, that's why you're a communicator now. 0:02:18.600 --> 0:02:20.720 I do think that there is a really clear tie 0:02:20.800 --> 0:02:23.440 between people who like to consume media and those who 0:02:23.520 --> 0:02:26.720 go into it. And so, yeah, I studied at Georgetown 0:02:26.840 --> 0:02:30.240 on exchange. It was when Donald Trump was first inaugurated 0:02:30.600 --> 0:02:33.800 into the presidency, and it was probably the first time 0:02:33.800 --> 0:02:34.120 that I. 0:02:34.080 --> 0:02:36.360 Saw politics really all around me. 0:02:36.400 --> 0:02:38.519 You know, you got into a cab and cab driver 0:02:38.639 --> 0:02:40.880 was talking about it, You went to a cafe and 0:02:40.919 --> 0:02:43.000 the barister was talking about it, and then I came 0:02:43.040 --> 0:02:45.639 home and that wasn't the case. No one was talking 0:02:45.680 --> 0:02:50.080 about politics. And I just really really cared. I really 0:02:50.080 --> 0:02:52.000 wanted my friends to care. I wanted to talk about 0:02:52.000 --> 0:02:55.200 it with them. So Sam, my best friend and now 0:02:55.280 --> 0:02:58.320 co founder, and I we started the Daily OS honestly 0:02:58.440 --> 0:03:00.480 just as a side hustle to be to talk to 0:03:00.520 --> 0:03:01.320 our friends about the news. 0:03:01.360 --> 0:03:02.000 It was selfish. 0:03:02.000 --> 0:03:03.480 I was like, I want them to care as much 0:03:03.520 --> 0:03:06.160 as I do. We'll start this thing, and a couple 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:08.359 of years later, here we are. But also I think 0:03:08.360 --> 0:03:10.400 it wasn't just around like get your friends to care. 0:03:10.480 --> 0:03:11.920 It was also the accessibility of it. 0:03:12.720 --> 0:03:15.400 Bringing the news to social media in a way that 0:03:15.480 --> 0:03:18.639 was impartial was something that was ahead of its time 0:03:18.720 --> 0:03:21.520 because there was news on social media and people were 0:03:21.600 --> 0:03:23.880 consuming it that way. But so much of it was 0:03:23.919 --> 0:03:27.120 just so deeply trenched in biases by people who didn't 0:03:27.160 --> 0:03:29.160 necessarily have the skill set to be giving. 0:03:28.919 --> 0:03:29.519 The news out. 0:03:29.800 --> 0:03:32.000 Yeah, I mean so much of it goes to the 0:03:32.040 --> 0:03:35.240 fact that my friends at that time did care. They 0:03:35.280 --> 0:03:37.760 just didn't know where to get their information. Yea, and 0:03:37.960 --> 0:03:40.920 the legacy media. It wasn't speaking their language. It wasn't 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:44.160 speaking directly to them, It wasn't using language they understood, 0:03:44.200 --> 0:03:45.520 it wasn't explaining things. 0:03:45.720 --> 0:03:46.760 Why do you think that is though? 0:03:46.800 --> 0:03:49.280 Why do you think the disparity is so large between 0:03:49.320 --> 0:03:51.600 the way that it's spoken about and the obsession and 0:03:51.640 --> 0:03:54.080 interest in the US than it is here in Australia. 0:03:54.160 --> 0:03:57.280 Because even when I think growing up wasn't something my 0:03:57.320 --> 0:03:59.400 family spoke a lot about, wasn't something you read on 0:03:59.440 --> 0:04:01.000 the news, was something anyone. 0:04:00.720 --> 0:04:01.240 Was talking about. 0:04:01.280 --> 0:04:03.280 It was just like, oh, this is who's in charge now. 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:06.200 No one the number of people that would go and 0:04:06.320 --> 0:04:08.320 vote that had no idea who they were voting for, 0:04:08.600 --> 0:04:10.320 what they were voting for. If you asked them when 0:04:10.320 --> 0:04:12.080 they walked out, that's say, oh, I just picked a number, 0:04:12.400 --> 0:04:14.400 Why do you reckon? We just never had that obsession. 0:04:14.680 --> 0:04:18.120 I think we have mandatory voting here and the US doesn't, 0:04:18.240 --> 0:04:20.320 and I think that makes a really big difference. In 0:04:20.320 --> 0:04:23.000 the US, you have to convince people to care enough 0:04:23.040 --> 0:04:26.960 to go and vote. Here, you just have to convince 0:04:27.040 --> 0:04:29.800 people to pay attention as like a starting point, and 0:04:29.839 --> 0:04:32.160 so I think that there is a smaller leap that 0:04:32.240 --> 0:04:34.480 has to be done, and so it isn't spoken about 0:04:34.560 --> 0:04:37.520 as much. And also because we have mandatory voting, our 0:04:37.520 --> 0:04:40.080 parties tend to be more around the center because it's 0:04:40.080 --> 0:04:41.280 not on that fringe as much. 0:04:41.400 --> 0:04:43.200 I think it really depends on the household you grew 0:04:43.240 --> 0:04:46.039 up in, because I feel like my household was pretty 0:04:46.600 --> 0:04:50.320 conversation around politics. But growing up I really understood the 0:04:50.360 --> 0:04:53.480 divide between labor and liberal and that's because my grandfather 0:04:53.480 --> 0:04:55.159 and my paper he worked in the coal mines, he 0:04:55.160 --> 0:04:57.840 worked in steel mines, so we were a labor voting family. 0:04:58.160 --> 0:05:01.719 And I think going back forty years ago, there was 0:05:01.800 --> 0:05:04.600 such a division between what the party stood for and 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:07.240 now it seems as though things are far more moved 0:05:07.240 --> 0:05:09.920 towards the middle. And I guess like another big question 0:05:09.960 --> 0:05:12.200 around it. Do you think that young people are showing 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:14.400 more of an interest or do you think it's just 0:05:14.440 --> 0:05:16.240 more accessible now with social media? 0:05:16.640 --> 0:05:19.000 Yeah, I think I'll take your second question first. I 0:05:19.040 --> 0:05:21.960 do think that we are just hearing about it more 0:05:22.000 --> 0:05:23.920 and it's more accessible now. I don't think that young 0:05:23.960 --> 0:05:26.159 people caring about politics is new. You know, if you 0:05:26.200 --> 0:05:28.520 look back decades, you see young people out in the 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:31.120 streets protesting wars and protesting governments. 0:05:31.120 --> 0:05:31.840 That's not new. 0:05:32.000 --> 0:05:33.600 It's interesting because I was talking to my mother in 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:35.960 law about this and talking about how there's just this 0:05:36.040 --> 0:05:38.400 fierce interest on social media and she was like, Laura, 0:05:38.839 --> 0:05:41.600 I was protesting for women's rights when I was at 0:05:41.680 --> 0:05:44.880 university in the seventies. She's like, it makes me annoy 0:05:44.960 --> 0:05:46.760 that you think it's different now, And I was like, 0:05:46.800 --> 0:05:49.360 I really don't, but I think we forget what our 0:05:49.440 --> 0:05:52.080 past generations did as university students. 0:05:52.120 --> 0:05:53.520 You know, it's not new. 0:05:53.640 --> 0:05:57.400 Young people have always been highly highly political. I think 0:05:57.400 --> 0:06:00.320 it's just amplified now because of social media and we 0:06:00.360 --> 0:06:02.480 can see it and people can post something and that 0:06:02.520 --> 0:06:05.359 looks like they are taking a political stand on something. 0:06:05.400 --> 0:06:08.400 Whereas before you had to physically go out, go and protest, 0:06:08.480 --> 0:06:11.159 go call your local representative, whatever it was. It's a 0:06:11.200 --> 0:06:14.120 lot more accessible now to I guess, engage with politics 0:06:14.120 --> 0:06:16.280 than it ever has been before. And to your first 0:06:16.320 --> 0:06:18.200 question about whether we're seeing the parties kind of go 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:21.039 closer to the middle, what we are seeing is that 0:06:21.080 --> 0:06:23.920 there is an increase in the number of voters turning 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:27.240 to minor parties and to independence, so those people that 0:06:27.279 --> 0:06:30.200 are kind of sitting outside of the major parties. And 0:06:30.279 --> 0:06:33.679 so while there is certainly this move towards the major 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:36.240 parties getting closer and closer together, we see Peter Dudd 0:06:36.240 --> 0:06:38.800 and Anthony Albanezi kind of commit to whatever the other 0:06:38.960 --> 0:06:41.480 is doing. We do see, for example, the rise of 0:06:41.520 --> 0:06:45.320 the Greens or the rise of independence, and so there 0:06:45.560 --> 0:06:48.359 is this very full spectrum. The votes are kind of 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:50.720 just going in different ways than they traditionally would have. 0:06:50.760 --> 0:06:52.919 But I do think that it's all cyclical. Nothing in 0:06:52.960 --> 0:06:55.960 politics is new. It happens as a cycle, and we 0:06:56.120 --> 0:06:58.159 kind of swing one way and then swing the other way. 0:06:59.040 --> 0:07:02.039 We were also talking earlier before about with the daily os. 0:07:02.080 --> 0:07:05.320 You get a lot of responses regarding politics, a lot 0:07:05.320 --> 0:07:07.240 of people asking questions, a lot of people spitting their 0:07:07.240 --> 0:07:09.560 opinions at you guys, and we're sort of having a 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:14.240 conversation about whether we think our generation fully understands the 0:07:14.280 --> 0:07:17.040 situation or if they are pretending to understand because they 0:07:17.040 --> 0:07:19.640 don't want to admit they don't understand, and that they 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:21.560 are just spitting back information that they have heard from 0:07:21.560 --> 0:07:24.880 other sources, just regurgitating. And I think it's really interesting 0:07:24.920 --> 0:07:27.000 because I don't think there's anything to be embarrassed about. 0:07:27.120 --> 0:07:29.800 If there are people listening right now that don't completely 0:07:29.960 --> 0:07:33.120 understand what they're voting for and why, that don't understand 0:07:33.160 --> 0:07:36.080 how the political system works, that's nothing to be embarrassed about. 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:37.920 But that's why we do want to do these podcasts. 0:07:37.920 --> 0:07:39.560 If you didn't grow up in a family like that, 0:07:40.160 --> 0:07:42.400 or you don't have a huge interest in it and 0:07:42.440 --> 0:07:45.040 you're not studying it, it's okay to not understand. You've 0:07:45.040 --> 0:07:47.360 got to start somewhere, But you have to start somewhere. 0:07:47.400 --> 0:07:49.640 So let's just start with the basics. The election is 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:53.320 coming up on May three, What does that mean for 0:07:53.360 --> 0:07:56.040 the next three years? What are people actually voting for 0:07:56.080 --> 0:07:59.480 and what are the fundamentals we should be understanding. 0:07:58.840 --> 0:07:59.920 Before we go to vote. 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:02.160 I love this question because I mean I wrote a 0:08:02.200 --> 0:08:05.960 book called No Silly Questions right behind you, actually just 0:08:06.000 --> 0:08:08.600 behind me, for that very reason, because we don't want 0:08:08.600 --> 0:08:11.560 people to feel embarrassed about asking questions. A lot of 0:08:11.600 --> 0:08:13.760 the time, no one's ever been taught this stuff at school. 0:08:13.840 --> 0:08:16.840 We know that civics literacy isn't taught at the standard 0:08:16.840 --> 0:08:18.360 that it should be. And as you said, if you 0:08:18.360 --> 0:08:19.640 don't grow up with it at home, where are you 0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:21.760 meant to learn this? And so I do think it's 0:08:21.760 --> 0:08:24.000 really important to just strip it back to the basics, 0:08:24.080 --> 0:08:26.560 just fully understand what it is that you are engaging with. 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:29.200 So let's start at the beginning. So May three, we 0:08:29.320 --> 0:08:32.960 have a federal election. That means that we are electing 0:08:33.280 --> 0:08:36.160 who will form the federal government. So we have local, 0:08:36.200 --> 0:08:38.720 state and federal. This is the big dog, so all 0:08:38.760 --> 0:08:42.439 of Australia, not New South Wales, not Victoria, etc. When 0:08:42.520 --> 0:08:46.000 you go into the ballot you will see that there 0:08:46.080 --> 0:08:48.240 are two sheets of paper there for you. So we 0:08:48.360 --> 0:08:50.880 have a lower House and an upper house in our 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:54.520 federal parliament. Lower House House of Reps Upper House Senate. 0:08:54.800 --> 0:08:57.040 So we'll just deal with the lower House first because 0:08:57.120 --> 0:08:59.320 that's kind of the one that will really impact two 0:08:59.360 --> 0:09:02.840 forms government. So unless you live in two electorates in 0:09:02.840 --> 0:09:05.120 the country, you are not going to see the names 0:09:05.160 --> 0:09:08.839 of Anthony Albanesi or Peter Dudden on that ballot sheet 0:09:08.960 --> 0:09:12.400 because you are electing who you want to send to 0:09:13.360 --> 0:09:15.960 the Lower House and that person is not going to 0:09:15.960 --> 0:09:18.200 be Anthony Albanzi or Peter Dudden unless you live in 0:09:18.200 --> 0:09:19.679 Graindler or you live in. 0:09:19.640 --> 0:09:21.040 Dixon, which are their electorates. 0:09:21.440 --> 0:09:25.000 So for example, if you live in the electorate of Wentworth, 0:09:25.000 --> 0:09:28.240 for example, you will see a sheet there that has 0:09:28.559 --> 0:09:31.920 the Liberal candidate, the Labor candidate, the Independent candidate, the 0:09:31.920 --> 0:09:32.800 Greens candidate. 0:09:32.840 --> 0:09:34.520 I won't keep going with all of these things. 0:09:34.559 --> 0:09:37.319 You get the idea and you have to number one 0:09:37.520 --> 0:09:39.640 and through however many candidates there are, you have to 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:43.000 fill out every single box in Australia, that's how it works, 0:09:43.520 --> 0:09:48.240 and then that gets counted and whoever reaches the certain 0:09:48.440 --> 0:09:50.760 magic number. In the House of Representatives, we have one 0:09:50.840 --> 0:09:53.160 hundred and fifty seats and you have to reach a 0:09:53.200 --> 0:09:56.760 certain threshold as a party to form government. Right now, 0:09:57.000 --> 0:10:00.079 Labor has formed government because they have the majority of 0:10:00.160 --> 0:10:03.520 seats in the lower House. That makes Anthony Albanezi our 0:10:03.679 --> 0:10:04.720 current prime minister. 0:10:05.200 --> 0:10:05.880 That could all. 0:10:05.840 --> 0:10:08.719 Change when we head to the election and if the coalition, 0:10:08.960 --> 0:10:11.800 which is the Liberal Party and the Nationals Party, if 0:10:11.840 --> 0:10:14.559 they win enough seats to get to that magic number, 0:10:14.640 --> 0:10:17.760 then they become the governing party of Australia and Peter 0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:21.000 Dudden would instead become our prime minister. If we go 0:10:21.080 --> 0:10:23.480 to the Senate, that's the upper house. You don't form 0:10:23.520 --> 0:10:25.760 government in the upper house, but it does make it 0:10:25.920 --> 0:10:28.480 easier to pass legislation if you have a majority in 0:10:28.480 --> 0:10:30.839 the upper House and a majority in the lower house. 0:10:31.360 --> 0:10:33.199 It's really fascinating because I feel like a lot of 0:10:33.200 --> 0:10:35.440 people go in there with the understanding of being like, Okay, 0:10:35.480 --> 0:10:37.120 I want it to be alber Ezier, I want it 0:10:37.120 --> 0:10:40.480 to be dune In, but don't really understand what may happen. 0:10:41.600 --> 0:10:43.800 And preferences matter a lot with something like that. 0:10:43.840 --> 0:10:46.800 We have a system called preferential voting, So who you 0:10:46.840 --> 0:10:50.040 put as your number two matters a lot, as well 0:10:50.080 --> 0:10:51.520 as your number one and everything else. 0:10:51.640 --> 0:10:54.080 So what about in terms of voting for someone who 0:10:54.160 --> 0:10:56.600 is an independent or a smaller party voting for the 0:10:56.600 --> 0:10:59.440 Greens or voting for a Legraspender for example, if you're 0:10:59.440 --> 0:11:03.200 in my area, what does that then contribute to. 0:11:03.400 --> 0:11:06.559 Yeah, So we have in the lower House and in 0:11:06.559 --> 0:11:08.840 the upper House something that's called the cross bench. So 0:11:09.240 --> 0:11:11.120 we have a two party system, which means that the 0:11:11.120 --> 0:11:14.439 major parties Labor and the Coalition, because they sit together 0:11:14.480 --> 0:11:17.600 with the Nationals, they both physically, if you can imagine this, 0:11:17.760 --> 0:11:21.000 sit on both sides of the chamber. And then in 0:11:21.040 --> 0:11:23.960 the middle our parliament's very literal, we have something called 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:26.200 a cross bench, and that is made up of the 0:11:26.240 --> 0:11:29.440 Independence and minor parties who don't fit into either of 0:11:29.480 --> 0:11:32.720 those major parties. So, for example, a legras Bender, she 0:11:32.800 --> 0:11:36.440 is currently a sitting MP. She represents Wentworth and she 0:11:36.559 --> 0:11:39.320 sits in the middle of Labor and the Coalition, and 0:11:39.360 --> 0:11:41.080 that means she doesn't have to vote with Labor, she 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:43.800 doesn't have to vote with the Coalition. She can decide 0:11:43.840 --> 0:11:46.120 based on every piece of legislation that comes to her, 0:11:46.520 --> 0:11:49.000 what she wants to do, based on the electorate that 0:11:49.000 --> 0:11:51.840 she represents. And as I said earlier, we have seen 0:11:51.880 --> 0:11:55.640 a rise in especially young people voting for Independence and 0:11:55.679 --> 0:11:58.480 minor parties. The Greens are the biggest minor party, but 0:11:58.559 --> 0:12:01.600 there's lots of smaller one you know, Pauline Hanson's One Nation, 0:12:01.720 --> 0:12:04.160 for example, is a minor party that has been in 0:12:04.200 --> 0:12:06.240 Parliament for a very long time. She's been there since 0:12:06.280 --> 0:12:09.000 the nineties, and so you know, we've got to understand 0:12:09.080 --> 0:12:11.000 who makes up our parliament today. 0:12:11.120 --> 0:12:13.480 But it's also no wonder like if anyone just listened 0:12:13.520 --> 0:12:17.280 to that breakdown and you haven't ever been interested in politics, 0:12:17.320 --> 0:12:19.040 you've never spoken about it or thought about it. I 0:12:19.120 --> 0:12:20.480 understand why it's confusing. 0:12:20.640 --> 0:12:23.640 It's so confusing. It is a very confusing sense. It's 0:12:23.679 --> 0:12:24.800 not just like one and off you go. 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:26.360 No, And I think there's a lot of people that 0:12:26.400 --> 0:12:29.560 don't also understand the importance of the preferential voting, like 0:12:29.679 --> 0:12:31.880 how important it is too label number two and three. 0:12:32.040 --> 0:12:33.520 Don't just be like I've done my number one. I'll 0:12:33.520 --> 0:12:35.000 fill the boxes so I don't get fine and I 0:12:35.000 --> 0:12:35.640 can get out of here. 0:12:35.760 --> 0:12:36.000 Yeah. 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:39.760 In a previous life, my job around election time was 0:12:39.920 --> 0:12:43.600 what was called a scrutineer, And a scrutineer literally watches 0:12:43.640 --> 0:12:46.960 the counting of the votes and you have to watch 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:49.000 to make sure they're going in the right piles. 0:12:49.160 --> 0:12:49.920 Is that what you're doing? 0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:53.080 Yeah, this is how bloody minute. The process is that 0:12:53.120 --> 0:12:55.400 we don't have computers doing this, we have humans doing this, 0:12:55.880 --> 0:12:58.800 and you physically, like if the lowest preference is out, 0:12:58.840 --> 0:13:00.160 you have to move them to the next part and 0:13:00.200 --> 0:13:01.679 then to the next part, and you have to watch 0:13:01.720 --> 0:13:03.839 that nobody is like putting it in the wrong pile 0:13:03.920 --> 0:13:04.400 or trying to. 0:13:04.360 --> 0:13:05.160 Influence a vote. 0:13:05.200 --> 0:13:07.800 And so I have seen through that process how important 0:13:07.840 --> 0:13:10.079 it is that you vote correctly because if you don't label, 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:12.520 every box gets thrown out and it's a donkey vote 0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:13.360 and it doesn't count. 0:13:13.880 --> 0:13:15.839 What do you think are the biggest ticket items that 0:13:15.880 --> 0:13:17.160 are shaping this election coming up? 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:20.040 Yes, such a good question I've done with the Daily 0:13:20.080 --> 0:13:22.720 I was a lot of research into this because in 0:13:22.800 --> 0:13:25.840 other elections it's been very clear there was one issue 0:13:25.880 --> 0:13:28.360 that young people cared about far and away the most, 0:13:28.360 --> 0:13:31.120 and that was climate change. It's not the case this election. 0:13:31.559 --> 0:13:35.600 Cost of living is by far the biggest issue that 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:38.120 young people care about when it comes to who they 0:13:38.120 --> 0:13:40.480 are voting for at this election. And we did this 0:13:40.520 --> 0:13:42.960 whole bunch of polling and research and it was like 0:13:43.280 --> 0:13:45.640 cost of living and then there was kind of all 0:13:45.640 --> 0:13:47.400 of these adjacent issues, so things. 0:13:47.200 --> 0:13:50.280 Like housing, cost of groceries. 0:13:49.920 --> 0:13:53.199 And then like the sixth issue was climate change because 0:13:53.360 --> 0:13:56.720 young people can't afford right now to care about all 0:13:56.800 --> 0:13:59.320 the things that they know are urgent, because they can't 0:13:59.320 --> 0:14:00.880 even take care themselves at the moment. 0:14:00.920 --> 0:14:02.160 You can't put a roof over your head. 0:14:02.400 --> 0:14:03.520 How are you going to change the rest of. 0:14:03.520 --> 0:14:06.320 The world exactly, And it's a really challenging environment. We 0:14:06.440 --> 0:14:09.319 know that a cost of living crisis isn't unique to Australia. 0:14:09.360 --> 0:14:12.080 There's been high inflation all over the world, but we 0:14:12.200 --> 0:14:15.360 are really feeling it here and so young people as 0:14:15.400 --> 0:14:18.120 well as all generations. This isn't unique to young people. 0:14:18.480 --> 0:14:21.680 We are really, we know, going to vote on the 0:14:21.760 --> 0:14:23.160 hip pocket on cost of living. 0:14:23.280 --> 0:14:25.400 Is that a real radical change from the last election. 0:14:25.920 --> 0:14:27.920 And when you say that the number one was climate change, 0:14:27.920 --> 0:14:29.640 we were just in such a different economic state at 0:14:29.640 --> 0:14:29.960 that time. 0:14:30.080 --> 0:14:32.480 Yeah, we really were. And you know we called it 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:35.760 the climate change election. All of these teals, who are 0:14:36.120 --> 0:14:39.240 a bunch of independents who won seats off the Liberal 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:42.160 Party were understood to have won because of their strong 0:14:42.200 --> 0:14:45.040 stance on climate change. And that's just not the case 0:14:45.440 --> 0:14:48.160 right now. Maybe it will return to that in the future. 0:14:48.200 --> 0:14:50.600 We know young people care about it. It's still urgent 0:14:50.640 --> 0:14:53.400 to them. They still think it's a really huge issue. 0:14:53.480 --> 0:14:55.080 They just can't afford to care in the way that 0:14:55.120 --> 0:14:56.040 they previously did. 0:14:56.200 --> 0:14:56.440 Yeah. 0:14:56.520 --> 0:14:58.440 I mean in terms of this is a very niche question. 0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:00.480 But in terms of the political parties and theations that 0:15:00.520 --> 0:15:03.000 have been had so far, I know that there's been 0:15:03.000 --> 0:15:06.360 a lot of chatter around like the big supermarket chains, 0:15:06.440 --> 0:15:10.440 price gouging and the insane profits that are being made 0:15:10.520 --> 0:15:13.320 across like you know, fast moving consumer goods. Is there 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:15.840 big promises that are being made in this sort of realm. 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:18.520 Yeah, I mean there are across kind of the board. 0:15:18.600 --> 0:15:21.080 We know that at the last budget, which was a 0:15:21.120 --> 0:15:23.840 couple of weeks ago, that the government promised tax cuts 0:15:23.880 --> 0:15:26.160 for everyone. Every single taxpayer was going to get a 0:15:26.200 --> 0:15:28.600 tax cut that was supposed to help with the cost 0:15:28.640 --> 0:15:31.680 of living. The Liberal Party has their own housing policy. 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:34.000 There are a bunch of different things, all of them 0:15:34.040 --> 0:15:36.320 intended to get more money into. 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:38.760 The pockets of taxpayers across. 0:15:38.400 --> 0:15:40.080 The country, but they kind of differ a bit in 0:15:40.120 --> 0:15:41.400 how they intend to get there. 0:15:41.640 --> 0:15:42.840 I don't know if this is too much of a 0:15:42.840 --> 0:15:46.360 personal opinion. I know that you are unmiased, but who 0:15:46.400 --> 0:15:49.120 do you think or what party is really pushing or 0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:51.960 promising the most in terms of putting money back into 0:15:51.960 --> 0:15:53.320 the pockets of our citizens. 0:15:53.600 --> 0:15:56.360 Yeah, I mean I understand the question. I don't think 0:15:56.440 --> 0:15:58.640 I can answer that. It's I think it's a matter 0:15:58.680 --> 0:16:02.240 of perspective. Really, if you believe the government shouldn't play 0:16:02.360 --> 0:16:04.720 a big role in your life, and that they should 0:16:04.800 --> 0:16:07.120 let the economy run as it is, then you would 0:16:07.840 --> 0:16:11.120 naturally veer towards one side of politics. If you think 0:16:11.160 --> 0:16:13.320 the government needs to intervene a lot, they need to 0:16:13.360 --> 0:16:14.880 do a lot of welfare, they need to do all 0:16:14.920 --> 0:16:17.040 of these things, you would naturally turn the other way. 0:16:17.080 --> 0:16:19.560 So I think it's really a matter of perspective. People 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:21.440 just need to go out and really and I know 0:16:21.480 --> 0:16:23.480 that we'll talk about this, but really go out and 0:16:23.640 --> 0:16:26.880 understand what all sides of politics are offering, because you 0:16:26.880 --> 0:16:30.440 don't need to be stridently one way. You can figure 0:16:30.480 --> 0:16:33.720 out what you resonate deeply with and then kind of 0:16:33.800 --> 0:16:34.600 vote accordingly. 0:16:34.680 --> 0:16:36.760 Well, this is the interesting question, though, because what we've 0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:39.280 seen that's so different this year, and you know, we 0:16:39.320 --> 0:16:41.040 touched on it at the beginning, But what we saw 0:16:41.080 --> 0:16:43.920 happen in the States is that there is this really 0:16:44.080 --> 0:16:48.360 interesting cross section that's happening between pop culture and politics 0:16:48.600 --> 0:16:50.760 in a way that it don't think it has been 0:16:50.880 --> 0:16:52.320 as accessible. 0:16:51.800 --> 0:16:55.320 Before one hundred percent. What are your. 0:16:55.240 --> 0:17:00.240 Thoughts on people accessing their information around politics purely from 0:17:00.720 --> 0:17:04.520 say TikTok or influencers or podcasts, like as someone that 0:17:04.880 --> 0:17:08.040 works in the news every day, what is your advice 0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:09.199 slash perspective on that. 0:17:09.600 --> 0:17:11.640 Yeah, I think the key word that you just said 0:17:11.640 --> 0:17:15.280 there is purely, because I think there is absolutely a 0:17:15.359 --> 0:17:19.320 space for influencers to be talking about politics, for podcasters 0:17:19.359 --> 0:17:21.120