Speaker 1: Hello there, Peter, Hell are you? He host of You
Speaker 1: Ain't seen nothing yet? Today's episode is a replay and
Speaker 1: I really love this guest, the hilarious Kitty Flannigan. Was
Speaker 1: it over winner Tryman's Bond Pearl Harner.
Speaker 2: Hello, sixty percent of the time. It works every time.
Speaker 1: That doesn't make sense? Alright, it's green, Gray's for breakfast
Speaker 1: and right now very hungry. Haven't a right?
Speaker 3: So you ain't seen nothing here?
Speaker 1: Simply put, Kitty Flannigan is one of the funniest people around,
Speaker 1: known around the world for her appearances on Just for
Speaker 1: Laughs in Montreal, the Edinburgh Fringe Festival, but also in
Speaker 1: The Sketch Show. English listeners would know her from that.
Speaker 1: Austraying viewers would also know her for her countless and
Speaker 1: regular appearances on such shows as The Project, Have You
Speaker 1: Been Paying Attention? The Weekly with Charlie Kickering, and of
Speaker 1: course she plays Ronda in That Utopia. She's also an
Speaker 1: award winning author Bridge Burning four hundred and eighty eight
Speaker 1: Rules for Life, which has won a swag of awards.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure how many awards fitting with a swag.
Speaker 1: I'm going to say it's a swag because even if
Speaker 1: it's one you can still put one award in a
Speaker 1: swag surely so. She was also done countless stand up specials.
Speaker 1: Her recent one, seriously was just absolutely brilliant. I love
Speaker 1: hanging out with Kitty whenever I get a chance, and
Speaker 1: we've done a few have you been Paying Attentions together?
Speaker 1: And it's just a joy. She really really makes me laugh.
Speaker 1: So I enjoyed this episode. It was a fantastic one
Speaker 1: to record movie that I knew was coming, and I
Speaker 1: wasn't sure if I was excited or nervous about it.
Speaker 1: But enjoy this episode of You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet
Speaker 1: with the hilarious Kitty.
Speaker 3: Flanking Hello, I'm Kitty Flanagan. And my three favorite films
Speaker 3: would be Little Miss Sunshine.
Speaker 1: I've still got Natty Bullets in my heart and Natty Bolts.
Speaker 4: The Guard if I don't kive me head?
Speaker 3: And Juno, did you put like one hundred things of
Speaker 3: tic tacks in my malebox? Oh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah that was me?
Speaker 3: Oh God, I didn't mean Juno. I met June Bug? Sorry?
Speaker 1: What makes you tick?
Speaker 3: Also anything with Jason Bateman in it. But I have
Speaker 3: never seen the Matrix, which is what I'm here to discuss.
Speaker 4: I like watching him.
Speaker 2: Don't be ridiculous, we're going to kill.
Speaker 4: Understand that MOUs believes he is the one to you.
Speaker 4: It doesn't matter what I believe.
Speaker 1: Did you hear that here?
Speaker 3: What are you sure this line is clee?
Speaker 4: Yeah, of course I'm sure.
Speaker 1: There. It's red pillar or blue pill. The choice is yours.
Speaker 1: In the Wakowski's nineteen ninety nine game Changer, combining influences
Speaker 1: from the neo punk movement, Eastern philosophy in combat and
Speaker 1: video game culture, and a healthy dose of religion, The
Speaker 1: Matrix one four oscars despite not being nominated for Best Picture.
Speaker 1: It's a return to form for Keanu Reeves in his
Speaker 1: role as Neo. It was shot in Sydney, despite everyone
Speaker 1: dressing like they were in Melbourne. It's time to follow
Speaker 1: the White Rabbit with Kitty Flanagan. Kitty Flanagan, how are
Speaker 1: you wow?
Speaker 3: I can't believe after that description that I've never seen,
Speaker 3: I'd never seen, tells me volume.
Speaker 1: So we'll come back a Matrix. But I want to
Speaker 1: talk about your three favorite films, which are great films.
Speaker 1: Let's start with a Little Miss Sunshine. What a beautiful
Speaker 1: little film it is.
Speaker 3: I that is just the film that it's the gift
Speaker 3: that keeps on giving. Every scene there's something in it.
Speaker 3: It's got a Comby Van in it, which of course
Speaker 3: I love, and the whole I think my favorite thing
Speaker 3: that I will always remember is seeing that film in
Speaker 3: the cinema and not being able to stop laughing at
Speaker 3: the horn, Yes, when the horn is just going in
Speaker 3: the back, just to see the Comby Van driving along,
Speaker 3: and that just I would laugh about that for hours.
Speaker 3: And every time I see if it's ever on something
Speaker 3: and I just you know, flip past and go, okay,
Speaker 3: I got to watch it, and I'll end up sitting
Speaker 3: there till the end. And then Olive doing her dance
Speaker 3: and the way they kept that because I kept wondering,
Speaker 3: what is she going to do? What is she going
Speaker 3: to do? And then when she she basically does a
Speaker 3: terrible stream?
Speaker 5: Is it?
Speaker 1: What's the song? Is that Black Eyed Peas? Is it
Speaker 1: my humps?
Speaker 3: What is the song?
Speaker 1: God?
Speaker 3: I'd love to I can't believe I only.
Speaker 1: Watched it right, I got to flee.
Speaker 3: But it's something so inappropriate, something older than that. It's
Speaker 3: something because the grandfather gave her the CD, so it's something.
Speaker 3: It's some sort of seventies, Terrible seventies.
Speaker 1: Super freak. Yes, yes, what it is.
Speaker 3: She's a super fun.
Speaker 1: All the performances are so good. Alan Arkin, I always
Speaker 1: love Alan Arkin is awesome, Tony Collapse, Greek in the
Speaker 1: Air is just it's quite a balance, isn't it, that
Speaker 1: role because you're not supposed to like him, but he's
Speaker 1: the dad and you don't really like it, like he's
Speaker 1: the almost a villain in the in the film, but
Speaker 1: you know, he comes good.
Speaker 3: And he has the beautiful scene which is the most
Speaker 3: nuanced piece of acting. And again one of the bits
Speaker 3: that I will always watch that film for just to
Speaker 3: see that scene where he's at the back of the
Speaker 3: combe van. They've got the dead body in the back
Speaker 3: and the cop stops them and the pawn falls out
Speaker 3: and the guy thinks that's what he's trying to hide.
Speaker 3: So the cop is kind of going through the pawn
Speaker 3: like giving him like raising an eyebrow, go that's nice,
Speaker 3: you know, busty ladies, and then turns another one. You
Speaker 3: know it's another lady's one, and then one of Steve
Speaker 3: Carell the gay Brother's pawn magazine I think it's called
Speaker 3: Buns and Ammo it's like a new guy with a
Speaker 3: gun and the guy and Greg can he just like
Speaker 3: looks at giving him the eyebrow again, there goes no,
Speaker 3: not that one, okay, just it's this beautiful kind of
Speaker 3: like oh into that.
Speaker 4: No, okay, Oh I love this stuff. I love it.
Speaker 4: God bless you, God bless you.
Speaker 2: Don't worry.
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna bust you.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Hey do you your family and to day,
Speaker 1: thank you to say all.
Speaker 4: The sweet thing, sweetness that is sweet. Yeah, thirty and
Speaker 4: this one is one of my favorite.
Speaker 1: Good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a little different choice.
Speaker 1: Yep, all right, ye have good dad there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, what happened.
Speaker 4: I'll tell you when I regain consciousness.
Speaker 1: Frank brilliant get.
Speaker 4: Up the question.
Speaker 3: Oh, it's just that is someone that you just go, wow,
Speaker 3: you can't you can't write that. That's just the most
Speaker 3: beautiful comic comic timing.
Speaker 1: And Paul Dano's so great. And when he finds out
Speaker 1: that you can't be a pilot if you're color blind,
Speaker 1: and he runs off into the crushing into the landscape
Speaker 1: and yeah, that's and it's beautiful and Olive. Olive goes
Speaker 1: to him and just sits with him. It's all happens,
Speaker 1: he sits with him and then the next thing you
Speaker 1: see and walking back hand in hand.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's great.
Speaker 1: And the Guard it's also grateful. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't know the gard. I've seen the Guard. I really
Speaker 1: enjoyed it. I don't know it as well as I
Speaker 1: know little Miss Sunshine. But that's Brendan Gleeson.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Don Cheedle. That's rights the FBI agent who
Speaker 3: comes to a small Irish town to deal with a
Speaker 3: drug trafficking thing. And Brendan Gleeson is the kind of
Speaker 3: local Irish cop.
Speaker 1: And that's full on Irish, isn't it, Like yeah, quite
Speaker 1: a thick Yeah.
Speaker 3: And just again, it's one of those films that I
Speaker 3: loved a bit like The Departed, where it's so beautifully
Speaker 3: plotted and everything that you didn't necessarily think was relevant,
Speaker 3: but you kind of went, oh, okay, and you take
Speaker 3: in all these things along the way, and then they
Speaker 3: all pay at the end, and that's when you just go, oh,
Speaker 3: I love a film that everything pays off. There's no
Speaker 3: loose ends, there's no kind of logic flows or holes
Speaker 3: in it. You just go wow, it was all there
Speaker 3: for a reason. Every scene, every everything meant something.
Speaker 1: So do you do you hate films where they leave,
Speaker 1: you know, an ambiguous ending.
Speaker 3: It's not really about ambiguous endings for me. I'm not
Speaker 3: huge on them. But my bigger problem is logic flaws.
Speaker 3: Like there was the film and I can't remember the
Speaker 3: title of it, but it's Sandra Bullock and the guy
Speaker 3: is in hospital and he's been hit by a train
Speaker 3: and he already you know, a bit far fett.
Speaker 1: Is it two weeks? Notice that No, I.
Speaker 3: Think it's something about But he wakes up and looks
Speaker 3: at her and for some reason goes, yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 3: think so, and he says suddenly goes, oh yeah, you're
Speaker 3: my wife, and instead of going no, I'm not, she
Speaker 3: goes all right, and let's everyone go along with it.
Speaker 3: It's like, well, that could have been stopped with no,
Speaker 3: I'm not, you know, like and from then on like
Speaker 3: I'm out.
Speaker 1: My wife often says that Bridges will say one is
Speaker 1: doing this because they want to be a film.
Speaker 3: But there shouldn't be a film.
Speaker 1: They you're absolutely right, they should work harder.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just try harder, Like there needs to be a reason,
Speaker 3: Like someone cut her tongue out. She can't tell him
Speaker 3: but then you go, okay, she could write it down
Speaker 3: like there needs to be a reason she couldn't tell him. Besides, oh,
Speaker 3: the moment never came because someone burst in. You know what,
Speaker 3: you could say, hang on, I just got something really
Speaker 3: important to tell this guy. I'm not your wife, by
Speaker 3: the way. That really shit.
Speaker 1: So the guard was was that made I think by
Speaker 1: one of the Donna mcdonna's mcdonnaugh yet not.
Speaker 3: The guy who did in Bridge.
Speaker 1: I think it's his brother, yes, John, and it's John yes,
Speaker 1: And I always get confused which one.
Speaker 3: Maybe it's Mark, Matthew, Mark Luke, one of those.
Speaker 1: Four, because I love I mean, I love all those
Speaker 1: in Bruges. I think it's such a brilliant film. I
Speaker 1: also got Brendan Gleeson. Then I'm not sure which one
Speaker 1: made Seven Psychopaths in the States, which didn't. I didn't
Speaker 1: see them, didn't feel as it wasn't as enjoyable. But
Speaker 1: then Cavalry, Oh yeah, it was brilliant as well. Also
Speaker 1: Brendan Gleeson, Yeah, that's a that's a great film.
Speaker 3: Is terrific because he manages to be unlikable but still
Speaker 3: you're kind of still rooting for him. He's a very
Speaker 3: unlikable character in that in the in the Guard And
Speaker 3: there's also a great scene with a little kid, just
Speaker 3: like that little kind of punky Irish kid that you know,
Speaker 3: is riding on a bike and telling everyone.
Speaker 1: To get You've tearing something I have not, You've taken
Speaker 1: something you didn't even act praised for fox S. It's
Speaker 1: like the brilliant Sex all over again. Don't make me
Speaker 1: fresh and.
Speaker 4: You're gonna frisk me out of your upon chargers.
Speaker 3: So much attitude.
Speaker 1: I love a kid on a bm in any movie,
Speaker 1: particular the BMX saying smart ass things. It just I've
Speaker 1: never said it not work. And Junebug is also a
Speaker 1: wonderful film.
Speaker 3: Yeah it's sort of a small film, I guess, and
Speaker 3: nothing that much happens in it, but the characters in
Speaker 3: it are just so sweet and everyone's the it's Amy Adams,
Speaker 3: very young Amy Adams, I think, who is the lead
Speaker 3: in it, and she's just the sweetest little hometown girl
Speaker 3: and she's you know, pregnant of whatever age and married
Speaker 3: to or you know, her boyfriend or husband is the
Speaker 3: guy who was from the OC I think he was
Speaker 3: from one of those. He was from some teen kind
Speaker 3: of show, and he's an asshole like you would be
Speaker 3: if he's seventeen and married in having a kid, you know,
Speaker 3: and he's just a teenager and he's an asshole, but
Speaker 3: he just he has one just beautiful moment where he's
Speaker 3: he knows that she loves me cats and you know,
Speaker 3: something comes on the television about me Cats and he's
Speaker 3: desperately trying to put a tape in to record it
Speaker 3: for after everything he's done has been horrible, everything he's done,
Speaker 3: and then he just has this one little moment where
Speaker 3: you go, oh, he's not all bad, Like there's one
Speaker 3: and he gets so frustrated because he can't do it,
Speaker 3: and he's putting the tape in. He's calling out to her,
Speaker 3: come down and come down. There's a thing there's and
Speaker 3: she comes down, she goes what and he's like by
Speaker 3: that time, he's lost it. He's completely furious he hasn't
Speaker 3: been able to get the tape in. He didn't, you know,
Speaker 3: the button was pressed out, you know, like on an
Speaker 3: old VCR tape where and by that stage, like and
Speaker 3: so she doesn't even see it. She doesn't even see
Speaker 3: that he had this nice moment where he tried to
Speaker 3: do something to it. It just really breaks your heart.
Speaker 3: Little things like that that I love in a film.
Speaker 1: I've seen June Bug when it came out once and
Speaker 1: I don't have a great recollection of it, and I
Speaker 1: don't remember that scene, but.
Speaker 3: Clearly neither do I because ignant.
Speaker 1: A pregnant woman. But what a fantastic idea, even for
Speaker 1: a scene like And that's what I love when people
Speaker 1: are making big things out of small moments. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: what a beautiful idea just of showing somebody how much
Speaker 1: you love them by recording something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And you know it must have there must have
Speaker 3: been an instance where something like that happened, because it's
Speaker 3: such a weird kind of thing to do. There must,
Speaker 3: I always think, because I'm so not creative in that
Speaker 3: I'm always pulling things from my own life and putting
Speaker 3: them in you know, whatever scripts I write. Okay, good,
Speaker 3: that'll make a good scene, or I'll do that. And
Speaker 3: I always think someone in someone's life loved Meacats, Like
Speaker 3: there was some person who, like the writer, obviously knew
Speaker 3: someone who was obsessed by Meacatz or he was obsessed
Speaker 3: by Meacats or she was whatever. But I alays when
Speaker 3: you see little things like that, I think they really
Speaker 3: resonate because they must come from reality somehow. Yeah, they've
Speaker 3: actually happened to someone.
Speaker 1: The three films you've nominated is three of your favorites,
Speaker 1: and Joombag this is a world world away from that.
Speaker 1: So let's first of all discuss why why you hadn't
Speaker 1: seen it up until now.
Speaker 3: Well, first of all, as you can see from my selection,
Speaker 3: The Guard is probably about as violent as I get, right,
Speaker 3: you know, and I like that because of the plotting
Speaker 3: more than the violence. Same with something like The Departed.
Speaker 3: I can tolerate the violence because it's so well plotted.
Speaker 3: But yeah, shoot them up things never really do it
Speaker 3: for me, and it just seemed like the Matrix always.
Speaker 3: I would look at it and go, Okay, that's a
Speaker 3: combination of science fiction and shoot them up not two
Speaker 3: of my favorite things. I can live without both those things,
Speaker 3: and Keanu Reeves probably one of my favorite things. I
Speaker 3: was a big fan of Point Break, of course, one
Speaker 3: of my favorite films.
Speaker 1: Great film. But we you as disappointed as I was
Speaker 1: when you saw because I had my summer holidays at
Speaker 1: Torquay and I was so excited because you know, somebody
Speaker 1: told me that they get the ends basically torqu and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, this is going to
Speaker 1: like we we'll get to see where I go on
Speaker 1: my summer holidays and there are no there are no
Speaker 1: pine trees. Yeah, they're not there.
Speaker 3: They just picked one off the back. Was that no
Speaker 3: one ell even know.
Speaker 1: It was definitely not talking so and it was loud,
Speaker 1: wasn't it? It was very loud.
Speaker 3: I found it quite difficult, like in a nannery kind
Speaker 3: of way. And I don't know if it's just that
Speaker 3: I've got a bad television, but I did find I
Speaker 3: kept having to turn it down when all the guns
Speaker 3: were happening, and then I have to turn it back
Speaker 3: up because it's like, now I can't hear what they're saying.
Speaker 1: Are you somebody who turns the presses mute when the
Speaker 1: ads come on? Because I've got a friend who swears,
Speaker 1: and it's probably true that the ads are louder.
Speaker 3: Absolutely they're louder, yes, yeah, And you.
Speaker 1: Have to turn it down, yes, so he always I'm not.
Speaker 3: Smart enough to press mute. I just turned it down there.
Speaker 3: Now now I've learned something.
Speaker 1: Mute us that mute button. It is loud. I saw it.
Speaker 1: I think I've gone to like the Melbourne premiere of
Speaker 1: The Matrix and I remember going, Wow, this is something
Speaker 1: I've never seen before.
Speaker 3: I can imagine if you saw it at the time,
Speaker 3: because I mean, obviously it's spawned so many techniques and
Speaker 3: stuff that I've now kind of now they're kind of
Speaker 3: in there just filmmaking vernacular, so you just sort of
Speaker 3: see that sort of thing a lot. So I can
Speaker 3: imagine though, knowing that was the first they were the
Speaker 3: first people to do it, that it would have been
Speaker 3: amazing to watch on a big screen. I still wouldn't
Speaker 3: have understood it, but I might have appreciated all the effects.
Speaker 1: So loudness, let's discuss. Yeah, did you understand it? Like?
Speaker 1: Did you?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 5: No, I didn't.
Speaker 3: I will be completely honest with you. I watched the
Speaker 3: first forty five minutes and just found it impenetrable. And
Speaker 3: I was watching it. My partner was up in Brunswick
Speaker 3: Heads and he was watching it with me, supposedly, you know,
Speaker 3: just watching it at the same time, and I just
Speaker 3: had to text him and go, Okay, can you press pause?
Speaker 3: And he got on the phone and explained it to me.
Speaker 3: And I have new respect for him. I never knew
Speaker 3: he was that smart.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, he started saying stuff.
Speaker 3: I was like, how did you get all that from
Speaker 3: this forty five minutes of I don't know what was happening?
Speaker 1: Did you do any googling? Well? No, no, no.
Speaker 3: I didn't, and I have since googled, And now, in hindsight,
Speaker 3: sure all that makes sense. But I don't know how
Speaker 3: anyone gets any of that from just watching it.
Speaker 1: I watched it this week again to prepare for this,
Speaker 1: and I hadn't seen it for years. And if somebody
Speaker 1: asked me what the matrix was, I'd go I had
Speaker 1: no idea. But this is my understanding of what the
Speaker 1: matrix is. So cold it reeves wakes up, you know,
Speaker 1: and we think he's living our life. He's just, you know,
Speaker 1: he isn't our world. It's a bit grammar and it's
Speaker 1: a bit you know, but it's it's basically that world
Speaker 1: our world. But then we find out that that's not
Speaker 1: that's not the real world.
Speaker 3: But how do we find that out? Peat? When did
Speaker 3: you How do you know that? What told you that?
Speaker 1: I think Morpheus explained explains it? Do you know?
Speaker 3: I think, and I wrote this down, I think Morpheus
Speaker 3: says a line that I thought summed up the whole
Speaker 3: film when he says, and I think it's Morpheus. But
Speaker 3: I could be wrong about this. There's nothing I can
Speaker 3: say that we'll explain it to you.
Speaker 5: There's nothing I can see that will explain it to you.
Speaker 1: Here I wrote, that's what I wanted to just turn
Speaker 1: it off.
Speaker 3: I go, well, if you can't explain it, how am
Speaker 3: I supposed to work it out?
Speaker 1: They say, the answer is looking for you? And I
Speaker 1: wrote that down. I thought, well, I hope, hope it
Speaker 1: finds me eventually, and nobody can be told what the
Speaker 1: matrix is.
Speaker 3: That seems like a really good get out of jail
Speaker 3: free card for any film to put it in, like
Speaker 3: when people go, I don't get it, so, well, what
Speaker 3: did we say?
Speaker 1: So? I think I wrote down to what I thought
Speaker 1: the matrix was okay, which is basically so Neo is.
Speaker 1: Actually we think it's real life, but he's actually living
Speaker 1: in a dream world. What we see at the beginning
Speaker 1: is actually a dream world. The real world is like
Speaker 1: one hundred years in the future, and that's gone to ship.
Speaker 1: It's gone all a bit whilely, and that the matrix
Speaker 1: is a computer simulation that helps them, I guess escape
Speaker 1: or deal with with that.
Speaker 3: Okay, so my question to you is.
Speaker 1: I don't think I'll be able to answer anything full disclosure,
Speaker 1: but yes, because.
Speaker 3: I understand that in hindsight, I didn't get that, but
Speaker 3: a few people have tried to tell me that's what's happening.
Speaker 3: So I understand that all of the humans are now
Speaker 3: in those pods, which was a great scene. I didn't
Speaker 3: know what I was looking at, but I ooh, applause
Speaker 3: for the special effects. People in pods, and then they
Speaker 3: create the matrix. Why if they've got them in pods,
Speaker 3: why do they have to give them this world to
Speaker 3: live in? Can't they just go, you're in a pod,
Speaker 3: suck it. Why do you have to give them You've
Speaker 3: already captured them and put them in a pod. You
Speaker 3: don't have to make them live.
Speaker 1: Would you rather live in a pod? Or like it's
Speaker 1: a question, but there would you rather be dead alive?
Speaker 3: But well, it's the War of the machines, like I think,
Speaker 3: you know, to the victor go the spoils and they
Speaker 3: get to just put you apod. They don't have to
Speaker 3: provide niceties for you. It's like we put people in jail,
Speaker 3: and they go, We'll create a lovely reality for you
Speaker 3: to live in, and you can take your drugs and
Speaker 3: kill people and do whatever you want in this lovely reality,
Speaker 3: even though you're in jail.
Speaker 1: I just well, he jails are quite nice.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't understand the premise of I
Speaker 3: get it now. The Matrix is an alternate reality created
Speaker 3: by the machines. Ye, yes, Hugo Weaving is a you
Speaker 3: know why they couldn't adjust his dials on his machine
Speaker 3: to make him do less acting? Great, he's a machine,
Speaker 3: let's dial him down a bit. But I just don't
Speaker 3: understand why you have to be so nice to these
Speaker 3: people that you've killed and put in pods.
Speaker 1: It's a good question, speaking questions. Have you ever seen
Speaker 1: a movie that asks so many questions? I feel like
Speaker 1: they're like and apparently count the Reeves half is literally
Speaker 1: half his dialogue A questions.
Speaker 3: Oh, I can't then spot that. I have to watch
Speaker 3: that again, and I just don't know that I could.
Speaker 1: There are so many questions.
Speaker 3: I've got a question answers. Because the oracle, yes, she
Speaker 3: lives in the alternate reality. She lives in the Matrix.
Speaker 3: They didn't go to planet Zion for her. Did they
Speaker 3: know they went to so she's a construct created by
Speaker 3: the machines.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't think of that.
Speaker 4: Yes.
Speaker 3: See, feel like if they brought me that script, I
Speaker 3: could have said, guys, I needed to do another pass.
Speaker 3: There's a few logic holes here. It's like Sandra Bullock's
Speaker 3: not said, hey, hang on a minute, I'm not your wife.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: It's like that.
Speaker 1: So okay, here's a question. Is it possible to enjoy
Speaker 1: a film that you don't understand?
Speaker 3: Yes? I feel like after that first forty five minutes
Speaker 3: and then I took a break and had it explained
Speaker 3: to me, then I did quite enjoy the next bit.
Speaker 3: I felt like the first forty five minutes was really
Speaker 3: hard going. The Blue pill and the Red Pill are
Speaker 3: sticking a thing on the back of his neck, and
Speaker 3: you know, there was a lot of stuff going on,
Speaker 3: and then it kind of just became a good action film.
Speaker 3: I knew who the goodies were, I knew who the
Speaker 3: baddies were. They transport themselves through telephones, magical like in
Speaker 3: the future, we all wear black leather, it's just.
Speaker 1: And have knockier flips.
Speaker 3: And then I got it, So then I could enjoy it,
Speaker 3: But that first forty five minutes where they tried to
Speaker 3: create what was happening, I felt like, I don't think
Speaker 3: I need any of that. I just could have started
Speaker 3: at the forty five minute mark where they all just
Speaker 3: started fighting. And then the guy who was a rebel
Speaker 3: tried to double deal. Then I was getting it. He
Speaker 3: tried to sell them out. I sort of could understand
Speaker 3: all that stuff.
Speaker 1: Then, Yeah, I reckon I had a pretty similar journey
Speaker 1: to you. And I'm often and I've said this about
Speaker 1: the Matrix and even the sequels. A lot of people
Speaker 1: didn't like the sequels.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I was thrilled to realize there were a
Speaker 3: few more that I.
Speaker 1: Could watch in another two episodes. They're actually making a
Speaker 1: Matrix four right now. It was shut down because of COVID.
Speaker 3: To them, see if they want me to do a
Speaker 3: pass on the street spot their logic flows.
Speaker 1: So I was sorry.
Speaker 3: You had a similar journey, you said, yes.
Speaker 1: And I've always said about the major and the sequels.
Speaker 1: To me, they just got of cool action films, yes.
Speaker 3: And I felt like once I embraced that, and once
Speaker 3: they got into the action, and once he put on
Speaker 3: his black leathers. Okay, I get it now, I know
Speaker 3: who's who and what's happening. But all of that preamble
Speaker 3: of you know, I think there was a what was
Speaker 3: the the the worm that went into his belly button.
Speaker 1: That's when it got really quite weird. I thought that
Speaker 1: the point where you kind of thought, okay, you know,
Speaker 1: you're in a movie where you feel a bit of
Speaker 1: a jolt, you can Okay, here we go, now we're
Speaker 1: going was when he says, I know kung fu, When
Speaker 1: he says that you've got to go, Okay, this is cool?
Speaker 3: And is that because he woke up because they programmed come.
Speaker 1: Through downloading all these things.
Speaker 3: I liked that aspect of it. I could see myself
Speaker 3: enjoying that aspect of it rather than have to go
Speaker 3: to the gym. I just thought, can you just download?
Speaker 1: Well, one of the things that I was downloaded was
Speaker 1: because it was like tai chi and all you know, taekwondo,
Speaker 1: and one of them was drunk Drunken Boxing.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I'm.
Speaker 1: Surprised I didn't. We actually didn't see County drunk Box.
Speaker 1: That would have been nice.
Speaker 3: You never got to see the planet Sion though, did
Speaker 3: we know?
Speaker 1: But the fictional planet Sion from Memory. You see it
Speaker 1: plays a bigger partner, sequels good something. I loved Laurence
Speaker 1: Fishburn's sunglasses. I thought that was maybe the best special
Speaker 1: effects in thet I felt.
Speaker 3: Like they wouldn't have been approved by the Cancer Council.
Speaker 3: I felt like they were letting in too much light
Speaker 3: around the edges. You won't see an old person wearing them.
Speaker 3: They prefer those bigger spaceman spiff glass It would.
Speaker 1: Have been great to see a scene with Laurence Fishburn
Speaker 1: Morpheus trying those sunglasses on. Look with the little thing
Speaker 1: you got to spit around the little mirror, the sticker
Speaker 1: on the tagging matrix four. If you're listening, you need
Speaker 1: we need that scene. What do you stand on? Counter Reeves?
Speaker 1: You said you liked him like just as a as
Speaker 1: an actor?
Speaker 5: Ah?
Speaker 3: Do I like him as an actor?
Speaker 2: Look?
Speaker 3: I did enjoy Point Break. That was probably I think
Speaker 3: Point Break was probably one of the first violent films
Speaker 3: that I watched. That was an incredibly violent film. Remember
Speaker 3: how many guns they were in that Like when the
Speaker 3: those bank robbers, they had some serious weapons, and up
Speaker 3: until that stage, we hadn't really seen those kind of
Speaker 3: that kind of level of weapon. I don't think not
Speaker 3: in films I've been watching.
Speaker 1: Maybe well it was Rambo Rambow stands out of somewer.
Speaker 3: Sure, I guess, I guess that wasn't on that wasn't.
Speaker 1: On my Why why why had you been so adverse
Speaker 1: to violent films or I don't like I.
Speaker 3: Don't like I can't watch that stuff. I don't like
Speaker 3: watching people get punched. I hate punching stuff. You know,
Speaker 3: I do have to turn away. I don't like horror films.
Speaker 3: I don't like blood, don't like gore. Just I don't
Speaker 3: find it frightening. I just find it unpleasant. And I
Speaker 3: spend a lot of those kind of films watching through
Speaker 3: my fingers or just saying to someone, tell me when
Speaker 3: it's over. I don't I just get no joy out
Speaker 3: of seeing people get punched. And I quite like those
Speaker 3: choreographed kung fui type scenes. There's a bit less, but
Speaker 3: I don't like shooting things and shooting people in the
Speaker 3: head and.
Speaker 1: Not a fight club fan, no, not.
Speaker 3: Really too, and any sort of slow motion thing where
Speaker 3: someone punches someone in their face and then blood kind
Speaker 3: of comes out of their mouth, like you know, on
Speaker 3: a tooth and like sprays in slow motion. I don't
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 1: So would you have seen many Tarantino films.
Speaker 3: I saw Reservoir Dogs and found you know, obviously I
Speaker 3: liked the film for all the reasons that people like
Speaker 3: that film, because it was kind of new. We hadn't
Speaker 3: seen that stuff before. But yeah, I didn't get off
Speaker 3: on the scenes where he was dancing around and cutting
Speaker 3: someone's ear off.
Speaker 1: I just, yeah, I don't like it.
Speaker 3: It's it's I didn't really watch for the same reason
Speaker 3: because I just saw that it was all blood and
Speaker 3: gorn that was.
Speaker 1: Particularly particularly fine. But it's insually when there's films that
Speaker 1: obviously have like violence is a part of a film,
Speaker 1: like say pulp fiction, but there's there's so many other
Speaker 1: things about that film that makes it makes it great.
Speaker 1: So it's a tricky yeah, balance.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd like to watch a really sanitized version of
Speaker 3: it where they just cut those bits out. It just
Speaker 3: goes to black to save me.
Speaker 1: Re release Reserble Dogs and instead of cutting the policeman's
Speaker 1: ear of it, it's just a wet willie. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: Kean Reeves, I looked up. I'm often curious as to
Speaker 1: like when we go back and watch these films. What
Speaker 1: was going on for this these actors at that time?
Speaker 1: And he made Speed in ninety four, so five years
Speaker 1: earlier he made Speed. I got to get on that bus.
Speaker 2: You're going to get Yeah, yeah, you get on the bus.
Speaker 3: And then he was like that was a big break
Speaker 3: then between Yeah.
Speaker 1: So it's five years and he had made some pretty
Speaker 1: average films. Wrote him down. He made uh and they
Speaker 1: were all kind of you know, for one of a
Speaker 1: better term flops, it was Johnny Yrmonic walk in the Clouds,
Speaker 1: feeling Minnesota and.
Speaker 3: Was that a woman Minnesota?
Speaker 1: I haven't seen feeling Minnesota? Oh, look it up me too,
Speaker 1: I will look up later. And the Devil's Advocate or
Speaker 1: the Devil's Advocate he played, and then he made Yeah.
Speaker 1: Then the Matress came out and he Warner Brothers wanted
Speaker 1: Johnny Depp as their first choice, really, which can you
Speaker 1: can kind of understand? Yeah, that would have worked. And
Speaker 1: then actually I think the little Kowski's wanted Johnny Depp,
Speaker 1: and then Warner Brothers wanted the other Brad Pitt or
Speaker 1: Vel Kilma to play.
Speaker 3: In his in his pre bloat days, in his pre
Speaker 3: bloat Yeah, so still kind of still kind of ice
Speaker 3: ice man.
Speaker 1: Ice man. Yeah, well top come to that was eighty four,
Speaker 1: wasn't it?
Speaker 3: Save And that was a great film. Do you remember
Speaker 3: Top Secret?
Speaker 1: Literally watched it. I didn't watch it all, but it
Speaker 1: was on TV and I have to watch a certain
Speaker 1: you know, I won't necessarily watch all the film when
Speaker 1: it's on, but i'll watch. I watch about half an hour.
Speaker 3: That's just gag after gag. It's just a film of gags.
Speaker 1: So all the gags we had that on VHS. This
Speaker 1: has come up quite a bit on this podcast already
Speaker 1: that often your favorite movies are the ones you had
Speaker 1: on VHS. You could play a game play again taped
Speaker 1: off the TV sometimes if you if you paused.
Speaker 3: Do you have brothers and sisters?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: So do you still recite certain bits from certain films
Speaker 3: to each other?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Absolutely, Yeah.
Speaker 3: My brother's sister and I all still say that's a
Speaker 3: big twinkie from Ghostbusters. Well it's the step off marshmallow Man.
Speaker 3: It's all stuff from Ghostbusters.
Speaker 1: We do a bit of lamp in the National Lampion's Vacation.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I think he's gonna pot our dad is
Speaker 1: in a pork okay may may yes, But we we
Speaker 1: had top sicret growing up and that got played so
Speaker 1: many times. Dej we met before and Shuckler's Moose. Sorry,
Speaker 1: Val Kilma was Val Kilma. Welkimore was the choice. And
Speaker 1: for Max Morpheus, he's an history one Gary Oldman. Oh
Speaker 1: one of those.
Speaker 3: I Will Smith was also offered.
Speaker 1: He didn't. He was yes.
Speaker 3: I wanted to high five him for that. Go right on,
Speaker 3: Will Smith. I didn't get it either.
Speaker 1: Well, Kanu apparently got the role because he did understand it.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, Well I would believe that of him. He
Speaker 3: seems like a kind of a deep guy that's into
Speaker 3: that sort of alternate reality stuff.
Speaker 1: He came on I was doing a show tonight, show
Speaker 1: called Rove Live, and he came on that show and
Speaker 1: asked him. This is years after he wasn't promoting the Matrix,
Speaker 1: I don't think and Robe asked, do you Understan? Did
Speaker 1: you understand what the Matrix is about? And he just
Speaker 1: like bang. Obviously he had been asked before and yeah,
Speaker 1: but he had this like ten seconds spill that this
Speaker 1: went this is what it is?
Speaker 3: Yeah right. I always heard really nice stories about him,
Speaker 3: like from Crewe people that worked on that film. Yeah,
Speaker 3: what a generous guy. Wasn't how lovely he was. He
Speaker 3: didn't seem like a which I think has kind of
Speaker 3: all come out recently anyway, like that, He's just the
Speaker 3: nicest guy in the world. Yeah, it's kind of his
Speaker 3: thing now.
Speaker 1: I've interviewed him a couple of times, and interviews always
Speaker 1: weird because people can you know, it's almost a performance.
Speaker 1: But he's genuinely lovely, I think, yeah, Cause I think
Speaker 1: as we record this, Ona Writers been in the news
Speaker 1: for mel Gibson said some horrendous things shock to her.
Speaker 1: But I think on they made Dracula together, Oh that's right,
Speaker 1: and Francis bought Coppola was trying to get Keanu Reeves
Speaker 1: that they needed to know to writer's character to cry,
Speaker 1: and they were trying to get counter Reeves to scream
Speaker 1: at her off camera just to let's say horrible things
Speaker 1: and make a cry, and counter Reeves refused to do it. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I read that as well, and she had an interesting
Speaker 3: response to it which I really understood, which was when
Speaker 3: she said, and they tried to get everyone to you know,
Speaker 3: scream at me and abuse me to make me cry,
Speaker 3: and it did the opposite. And I completely understand what
Speaker 3: she's talking about because I remember I used to do
Speaker 3: kickboxing and I really enjoyed it just as a form
Speaker 3: of exercise, but I was never doing it like because
Speaker 3: I wanted to be aggressive or you know. And this
Speaker 3: is years ago, and and I remember the guy used
Speaker 3: to tell me that I wasn't aggressive enough. And one
Speaker 3: day we were kind of you know, punched me and
Speaker 3: he and he punched me in the head like, and
Speaker 3: I just kind of stopped and put my arms down
Speaker 3: and went, why'd you do that? And he went, I
Speaker 3: was trying to provoke a reaction. I was like, well,
Speaker 3: my reaction is what the hell did you punch me
Speaker 3: in the head for? Not like he was trying to
Speaker 3: get me to punch him back, like he thought it
Speaker 3: would really fire me up, like I had a thing on.
Speaker 3: So it's fine, Like it wasn't damaged me. But you know,
Speaker 3: the kind of rule was don't punch people in the head.
Speaker 3: I thought, like that's how I grew up. My mom
Speaker 3: alway says, don't punch people in the head.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good rule.
Speaker 3: Don't ever hit people.
Speaker 4: In the head.
Speaker 3: That was my mum's cry all the time. Not the temples,
Speaker 3: not the temples like we always had this fear that
Speaker 3: if you hit anyone in the temple, you would.
Speaker 1: Kill I had the same light and not even particularly hard,
Speaker 1: like this was just a little soft spot in both temples.
Speaker 3: It was like you've got a fontanelle on either side
Speaker 3: of your head that never closed over. According to my mum,
Speaker 3: the triple fontanelle one closes over on the top, but
Speaker 3: these two stay open.
Speaker 1: So how long did you do kickboxing for?
Speaker 3: It was when I was in the UK and I
Speaker 3: did it. I did it for about a year when
Speaker 3: I was on the Sketch Show, and I used to
Speaker 3: go to kickboxing every morning, and it was really good
Speaker 3: because I found the sket Show quite stressful and I
Speaker 3: used to like get quite uptight on it, like because
Speaker 3: it was just it was quite a high pressure kind
Speaker 3: of environment we're working in and everyone was like kind
Speaker 3: of very aggressive with their you know, ideas and that's
Speaker 3: not good and that is good and whatever, and you know,
Speaker 3: it was it was a good environment to work in.
Speaker 3: But I needed to kind of get all my tension
Speaker 3: out before I went to work so that I didn't
Speaker 3: ever sit. Otherwise I would sit and lose my temper
Speaker 3: a you know, at the script table and they go,
Speaker 3: oh sorry, everyone spend the afternoon apologizing. So what I
Speaker 3: started doing was I would go to kickboxing from you know,
Speaker 3: seven till eight thirty and then arrive on set like this,
Speaker 3: everyone who feeling good. I've just been a complete kind
Speaker 3: of like, yeah, relaxed steak for the rest of the day.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it was about being relaxed for me.
Speaker 1: Have you ever shocked anyone by like pulling some kickboxing
Speaker 1: moves or do you have that fantasy of kind of
Speaker 1: going well, even if it's for like a role on
Speaker 1: TV or a film role where you could go, you know,
Speaker 1: to say, no, I could call some sweet kickboxing moves
Speaker 1: that would be awesome.
Speaker 3: No, I haven't. I do love the and I'm not
Speaker 3: good at it, but I do love a roundhouse kick.
Speaker 3: I think there's nothing better than a roundhouse kick. It's
Speaker 3: so impressive if you can.
Speaker 1: Do it, and it's hard, harder than it looks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like if sometimes I will, I will like when they
Speaker 1: try one, like go to joke and I'll get like
Speaker 1: a quarter into doing one and I'll just go, oh, no,
Speaker 1: I can't do that.
Speaker 3: And I think they're only ever useful if you are
Speaker 3: top notch, like unless you're really good, the roundhouse kick
Speaker 3: is no good for beginners. Like with beginners always going
Speaker 3: come on, just use your push kick. Use your push kick.
Speaker 3: It's more, you know, that's the one you want to
Speaker 3: use if you're in self defense. It's like, yeah, but
Speaker 3: if I'm ever, you know, come up against someone, I'd
Speaker 3: much rather like, whoo, just stop for a minute, stay still,
Speaker 3: and I'm going to roundhouse kick here.
Speaker 1: That is that. That is great. And Samuel Jackson was also
Speaker 1: considered to play you can imagine, and and Trinity was
Speaker 1: Sandra Bullock.
Speaker 3: Well, obviously they wanted to you know, was she considered
Speaker 3: after they had Keanu reeves on? Did they want to
Speaker 3: bring back the pairing or no?
Speaker 1: They It's an interesting question because Santa Blick knocked it back.
Speaker 1: And what I was she knocked it back because the
Speaker 1: person who they had in mind to play there at
Speaker 1: that stage she didn't think either didn't want to work
Speaker 1: with them or didn't think they would work well together.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, I wonder it was Yeah, she didn't.
Speaker 1: Like, well, maybe it was someone like maybe it was
Speaker 1: Val Kilma, because you know, he's got a reputation for
Speaker 1: me a bit difficult yeah, hmm, we're going to send you.
Speaker 1: Let's get Sandra Bullock on the phone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got a few questions for her, and I
Speaker 3: just want to say I do love her as well.
Speaker 3: She was one of my favorite romantic lead kind of
Speaker 3: comedy people. I always thought she was funny, she had
Speaker 3: very you know, crack comedy timing.
Speaker 1: She's not dead.
Speaker 3: I just meant that. I just meant that. I kind
Speaker 3: of wrote her off in that opening. Feel it's made
Speaker 3: it sound like I didn't like Sandra Bullock because she
Speaker 3: was in that one dumb film.
Speaker 1: Do you know a really funny movie that she's in
Speaker 1: that she made more recently with is Melissa McCarthy where
Speaker 1: they played spies.
Speaker 3: I love it Heat or something.
Speaker 1: It's such a great Yeah.
Speaker 3: I really enjoyed it. Very funny, and she's great in it.
Speaker 3: She she plays such a good funny character.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I love that film.
Speaker 1: I was kind of hoping there might be a sequel
Speaker 1: to that film. It's Paul five made that.
Speaker 3: Film, is you know Okay, that's why it's so funny.
Speaker 1: But yes, and I really love Carrie and Moss in
Speaker 1: This is Trinity. I think it's really cool.
Speaker 3: She's you know, she's terrific.
Speaker 1: She's hot, she's hot, she's great. She wears the leather,
Speaker 1: Well she does?
Speaker 3: What can you just tell me? You know the thing
Speaker 3: they put on the back of your head? Do you
Speaker 3: know what? What is that? I don't think that just
Speaker 3: so they can plug you in.
Speaker 1: I think I said, they download like the matrix into you,
Speaker 1: isn't it? Or connect you with the matrix?
Speaker 3: I hang on, but didn't the monsters create didn't the
Speaker 3: machines create the matrix?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 3: So didn't I thought Morpheus put that in after he
Speaker 3: chose to take the right pill. Don't they then put
Speaker 3: the thing on the back of your head? Or has
Speaker 3: everyone got a thing on the back of the head?
Speaker 5: Is it?
Speaker 3: Does that? Is that what you get and you're plugged
Speaker 3: into the pod?
Speaker 1: Yes? Because he gets they.
Speaker 3: We just didn't see it there before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because they put that silver stuff on him. This
Speaker 1: is neo. Yeah, and then the silver stuff kind of
Speaker 1: goes down. He's he's going. Then does he wake up
Speaker 1: in the pod after that? Is that? Does he get
Speaker 1: plugged in and then wake up into the pod?
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe the plug was there in the pod, but
Speaker 3: we only see it because they've shaved his head by
Speaker 3: the time.
Speaker 1: Shave his head in a bath of milk.
Speaker 3: It all makes so much sense.
Speaker 1: This is the one. This is the one episode of
Speaker 1: this podcast where I was a bit like, I'm not
Speaker 1: sure how much I really understand this, And it was you.
Speaker 3: You pushed me to this one as well. I gave
Speaker 3: you another option and you said, no, let's do the matrix.
Speaker 3: I was like, okay, and I was like, really up
Speaker 3: for the challenge. They watched and went, oh, no, I
Speaker 3: can't speak about this. I don't understand it.
Speaker 1: I hadn't seen it for so long, so I thought
Speaker 1: it was a good opportunity to go back, revisit it
Speaker 1: and perhaps try to understand it. But I I'm like, yes,
Speaker 1: you know, I will often just go I'm just enjoying
Speaker 1: this film because I know who the good guys are,
Speaker 1: don't know who the bad guys are.
Speaker 3: And Trita at the point I did kind of enjoy
Speaker 3: it and find it a good, you know, rollicking film.
Speaker 3: From forty five minutes on.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I text you when I was watching it.
Speaker 1: It gets better after forty five Hang in there. Did
Speaker 1: you you've lived Were you born in Sydney? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you're born and raised in Sydney. Did you enjoy
Speaker 1: see you recognize Sydney?
Speaker 3: Not only did I recognize Sidney recognized a few Home
Speaker 3: and Away actors in the Yes, in the in the cast.
Speaker 1: As well, Yes, the.
Speaker 3: When they follow the White Rabbits, the girl who's in
Speaker 3: Home and Away.
Speaker 1: Now yes, yeah, and then the actor who gets he's
Speaker 1: the one who designs, makes it, designs all the design
Speaker 1: the woman in the red dress. Uh, Damion or Damon
Speaker 1: I forget his name. I apologize.
Speaker 3: Not Tom not from Blue Heelers, Not Damian wash Howling
Speaker 3: or Damon.
Speaker 1: Here, Damon Harriman, Damon Damon's.
Speaker 3: He probably wasn't born then he was in the.
Speaker 1: Sullivan's Damon Harriman.
Speaker 3: Was he the baby?
Speaker 1: He wasn't, kiddy. I'm going I'm going to look it
Speaker 1: up because I feel bad that I am. I meant
Speaker 1: to write it down because I think he's really good
Speaker 1: in it, and as I was watching it, I thought,
Speaker 1: why haven't we seen him do more? After this? It
Speaker 1: is Matt Doran Okay, yes, and he played mouse.
Speaker 3: Right who played the baddie that sold them out.
Speaker 1: Yes, so that is he's American Joe pant. That's too much,
Speaker 1: you know, did you watch the Sopranos. Maybe you didn't
Speaker 1: because of the violence, but did you know I did.
Speaker 3: I did watch this.
Speaker 1: He was wealthy. Okay, he's always he's really good at playing.
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, now I'm seeing it come the.
Speaker 1: Sleazy kind of characters.
Speaker 5: Ye.
Speaker 1: And I think ed Cavli was telling us now tonight
Speaker 1: that he was the he was quite overweight going into this,
Speaker 1: and he rocked up and got lipose suction and basically
Speaker 1: build the Wakowskis for the lipose suction. They said, yeah,
Speaker 1: they wanted they wanted them. They wanted me to be thinner,
Speaker 1: so I wouldn't got lip a section unreal built it
Speaker 1: to Warner Brothers. Handy, nice if you can do it.
Speaker 1: But I recognize, yeah, you know, Sydney's very recognizable in it.
Speaker 1: And I think the Harbor bridges in the background of
Speaker 1: the last shot, and I asked, I saw a Commonwealth
Speaker 1: Bank logo.
Speaker 3: Yes, that was weird, wasn't it.
Speaker 1: I thought, I could that really stuck out.
Speaker 3: It was when they were having the Was it when
Speaker 3: they were in the foyer having a before they went
Speaker 3: into the foyer to have a fight, or was it
Speaker 3: when in the Martin place?
Speaker 1: It was one of the Martin Place scenes on the
Speaker 1: where I think we first see the woman in the
Speaker 1: red dress.
Speaker 3: And they just walked past the comys.
Speaker 1: Like an atm. With the budget you have, surely you
Speaker 1: could have fixed that in post. Just because it's a
Speaker 1: yellow it's a yellow black symbol. It's just very weird.
Speaker 1: It's very weird. But apparently they to make this film
Speaker 1: in the States, it would have cost one hundred and
Speaker 1: eighty million bucks and they did it in Sydney and
Speaker 1: they made it for sixty mili.
Speaker 3: Well, if they've done it the ABC, they could have
Speaker 3: done it for fucking forty grand.
Speaker 1: Do you like seeing movies made in like you know,
Speaker 1: your hometown or yeah?
Speaker 5: Do?
Speaker 3: I thought they did a good job. I thought, like
Speaker 3: when you looked at it, like it wasn't overtly Sydney,
Speaker 3: it did just look like, you know, a kind of metropolis,
Speaker 3: and it was a little bit I thought it was
Speaker 3: a bit of a shame that it was a metropolis
Speaker 3: that you know, had been destroyed by the machines. That's
Speaker 3: kind of what they were presenting. They weren't kind of going,
Speaker 3: look it's just like new It was like kind of, look,
Speaker 3: this is what happens when the machines take over and
Speaker 3: a city goes to shit, it looks like this. That's
Speaker 3: a bit of a but it did still. I thought
Speaker 3: it still held up as Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it reminded me. There's a movie called Dark City
Speaker 1: that was also shot in Sydney, and it really reminded
Speaker 1: me of that. And as I was doing a little
Speaker 1: bit of research and lo and behold that they used
Speaker 1: a lot of the sets from Dark.
Speaker 3: The same sets.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it looks very Yeah, it was very similar.
Speaker 1: Did you when Neo gets shot at the end, what
Speaker 1: you think we spoiler? Did you think, ah, he's dead
Speaker 1: or did you think he's of course he's not dead.
Speaker 3: Okay, well this is something I take issue with, right yeah,
Speaker 3: because apparently he was dead until Love's first kiss woke
Speaker 3: him up. Now, I found it a little weird that
Speaker 3: we're watching this, you know, neo punk sci fi thing
Speaker 3: and then Sleeping Beauty happens like he was dead for
Speaker 3: all intents and purposes till she kissed him on the
Speaker 3: mouth and went you can't be dead. I love you kiss.
Speaker 3: Oh he's awake. That's when I really wanted to flip
Speaker 3: the table and go, oh hey, I was investing I
Speaker 3: was getting into it. I was enjoying the world. But
Speaker 3: you can't do that, Like I needed something besides a
Speaker 3: kiss to wake him up.
Speaker 1: Have you seen Rise of Skywalker? No, Okay, that happens.
Speaker 1: It's the kind of thing that only happens in fairy
Speaker 1: tales movie. I've never heard of it happening in real life.
Speaker 1: Doctor's passion dying.
Speaker 3: He's coding, he's coding. Someone get his first love in here.
Speaker 3: The nurse runs in with the crash car, but they're
Speaker 3: just like, tips it aside and goes, let me kiss him,
Speaker 3: see if I can do it.
Speaker 1: Kiss En Helper insp Well. I like one thing I
Speaker 1: liked about that was the gender reversal. Usually it is
Speaker 1: the often it's been. I think the man kiss the
Speaker 1: dead princess. At least at least it was the woman
Speaker 1: keessing the man bring the man back to life. That
Speaker 1: was that was good?
Speaker 3: Is there anything like was I you know, like, was
Speaker 3: it really obvious?
Speaker 5: And was it?
Speaker 3: The thing? Was the reason his name was Neo because
Speaker 3: he's the one yes, and that's a nanogram of that.
Speaker 1: There's a whole lot of religious mind.
Speaker 3: I felt like they could have made it a bit harder. Yeah, like,
Speaker 3: that's a pretty easy anagram, Like even I could get
Speaker 3: that one. It was kind of it should have been
Speaker 3: a little bit more difficult. And then they revealed, Oh
Speaker 3: my god, it means the chosen.
Speaker 1: One's he's the one. Guy over there told me, I
Speaker 1: wonder if that's what it was in if that's what
Speaker 1: his name was. My son watched this, just told me
Speaker 1: as I was watching it, he watched it in religion.
Speaker 1: They watched it. The matrix in religion is he he's
Speaker 1: fifteen and he understood it, he said, he did. I
Speaker 1: didn't really test him because I couldn't fall back on
Speaker 1: my own knowledge. I let it go. But yeah, there's
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of religious kind of you know things throughout,
Speaker 1: is there. Yeah, yeah, well, I mean the obvious.
Speaker 3: One that's right, was when Jesus died, someone came and
Speaker 3: kissed him awake, and that's how I got.
Speaker 4: Out of.
Speaker 1: Well, the fact that he dies and he comes back,
Speaker 1: that's that's, you know, And he's sent he's basically sent
Speaker 1: down to help.
Speaker 3: And Jesus did a lot of kung fu.
Speaker 1: In Corinthians sixty four, and Jesus said, on top of
Speaker 1: the mountain, I know kung Fu.
Speaker 3: I would probably be into Christianity far more. If Jesus
Speaker 3: did Kung Fu, that would be pretty funny.
Speaker 1: Are you are you spiritual at all?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 3: I was brought up Catholic, so that kind of killed
Speaker 3: the boy. I think. I think Catholicism. The one good
Speaker 3: thing about Catholicism is it it's like a vaccination against
Speaker 3: cults and religion. Like you're never going to go into
Speaker 3: a cult if you've been Catholic. No one in any
Speaker 3: of those things comes out of and goes, oh, it's weird.
Speaker 3: And I grew up Catholic. I should have known better.
Speaker 3: If you've brought up Catholic and you go to church
Speaker 3: every Sunday and you get indoctrinated with all that stuff,
Speaker 3: yet you eventually wake up and go, Okay, I'm immune.
Speaker 3: I'm now immune to religion.
Speaker 1: It's funny because I was raised Catholic, and for the sclosure,
Speaker 1: my kids go to Catholic school. But I've discussed it
Speaker 1: on stage before. I've never quite found the time to
Speaker 1: work out my belief system, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like I've just kind of got like I think I know,
Speaker 1: and you know, I think I know what I believe. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, possibly there's nothing really out there, but I
Speaker 1: quite liked my childhood. Yeah, so I've kind of got okay, Well,
Speaker 1: I will use the Catholic education system.
Speaker 3: I'm a bigger fan of the New Testament than the Old.
Speaker 3: I found the Old Testament vengeful. I don't feel that.
Speaker 3: I don't think God's got any place being vengeful. That's
Speaker 3: what I struggle with. I struggle with avengeful God.
Speaker 1: I always wonder that Jesus was a bit better.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's like you all. He got cross once in
Speaker 3: the temple, flipped a few tables, but you know, we all,
Speaker 3: we all have our moments. That's when he took up
Speaker 3: kung fu, got his stress out in the mornings and
Speaker 3: then he'd go off.
Speaker 1: That's funny. Sorry, no, no, not at all. I but
Speaker 1: it's funny because I'm not sure when you got something
Speaker 1: in the comedy and like you said, meeting people from
Speaker 1: different you know, parts of the world and different parts
Speaker 1: of Australia. You just I was shocked up until then.
Speaker 1: And this I was twenty one. I just thought I
Speaker 1: really thought everyone was Catholic. I really did. And I thought, oh, well,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of atheists. Because I used to do
Speaker 1: a lot of comedy about religion, like you know, and
Speaker 1: that just you know, like nothing particularly good, like just
Speaker 1: stuff like you know, Jesus being a carpenter and just
Speaker 1: doing capry jokes, and they're thinking everyone had the same
Speaker 1: even my audience. So I would be thinking everyone's on
Speaker 1: the same page.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, we.
Speaker 1: All know these stories, you all know the references. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when you start doing comedy, did you not necessarily in
Speaker 1: regards to religion, but did you did you find oh,
Speaker 1: there's all these people with different points of view?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess I guess I did a little bit
Speaker 3: of a similar thing whereas I because I used to
Speaker 3: talk about nuns and I was so familiar with nuns,
Speaker 3: and then realizing, as you're doing in the comedy, you
Speaker 3: kind of go, I might need to explain nuns to
Speaker 3: some people, because even when I was growing up, nuns
Speaker 3: were a dying thing, you know, like they were dying out,
Speaker 3: like they were all old. I did, we just had
Speaker 3: nuns because I was at a school where there was
Speaker 3: a convent attached to it, which was where all the
Speaker 3: old nuns were kind of you know, hidden and left
Speaker 3: to you know, eat oatmeal and die.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But but yeah, it was. I did have a far
Speaker 3: more realistic view of nuns, like, although we did have
Speaker 3: one nun that wore the full wimple like a sister
Speaker 3: act nun called Sister Cleophus. Yeah, and she was the
Speaker 3: school guidance counselor. But what I realized with our nuns
Speaker 3: at our school is they weren't really the things they
Speaker 3: were given. They were kind of just given something to
Speaker 3: keep them busy. Like, so she sort of had I
Speaker 3: think what happened was they would sit around the convent
Speaker 3: and they go, what would you like to do, Sister Clairefus,
Speaker 3: And she said, well, I think I could give the
Speaker 3: girl some guidance counseling. So she had no training. She
Speaker 3: just set up at a little office with guidance counselor
Speaker 3: on it and waited for us all to come in
Speaker 3: there and realize she doesn't know what she's talking about.
Speaker 3: And the same with you know sister Ann who obviously
Speaker 3: put a hand up and said, I'd like to teach maths.
Speaker 3: So I think maybe you should go and learn maths
Speaker 3: before your tea shirt. And so every class, you know,
Speaker 3: this is year eleven maths, And she would start with
Speaker 3: more and girls We're going to start with the prayer
Speaker 3: for sister Mary Bernadette not feeling well this morning, and
Speaker 3: then we do this pre sist Mary better than she
Speaker 3: turned your page thirty. We're going to do sign cosantane,
Speaker 3: Signed cosantane. Little bit of health from Jesus today would
Speaker 3: not go astray. It was just like, God, Wow, that's
Speaker 3: how we learned maths was with a little bit of
Speaker 3: help from Jesus. So, yeah, that sort of stuff. I
Speaker 3: realized it wasn't necess already going to play to everybody,
Speaker 3: so you had to kind of find a way to
Speaker 3: explain it as a weird thing rather than here's something
Speaker 3: we're all we're all going to get and be. It's
Speaker 3: more like, here's a weird thing that you might not
Speaker 3: have realized if you didn't have the weird things going on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So, growing up, what role did movies play where
Speaker 1: you were like a family avid movie watches. Were there
Speaker 1: rituals or routines with them watching movies?
Speaker 3: And yeah, I mean I think that is something that's
Speaker 3: missing now. And I mean I don't want to be
Speaker 3: one of those people that goes and it was better
Speaker 3: back then, but I did. I so enjoyed when a
Speaker 3: movie would come out and everybody would go and see it,
Speaker 3: and it would just be the movie that everybody saw,
Speaker 3: and it was the thing that everybody talked about, Like
Speaker 3: when Grease came out. You're probably younger than me and
Speaker 3: don't quite remember the Grease phenomenon being at the movies.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The one I really remember, and I have really fond
Speaker 1: memories was when Crocodile Dune Dee came out. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: felt like everyone went and saw that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I remember the years came out was like
Speaker 3: in that year that it was sort of on every
Speaker 3: cinema everyone that had a birthday, it would be, you know,
Speaker 3: Cindy's having a birthday party and we're going to Greece.
Speaker 3: So you could see it like eight times. If you
Speaker 3: got the invitation to eight different birthdays where they were
Speaker 3: going to go and see Greece. No one every went,
Speaker 3: oh no, I've seen it. I don't want to go.
Speaker 3: It was like, oh, unreal, we're going to go and
Speaker 3: see it again. But the film I remember the most,
Speaker 3: And I don't know if I'm getting the year right,
Speaker 3: but I think it was seventies. Could be wrong about that,
Speaker 3: might have been a bit later. But et when ET
Speaker 3: came out, and it was the first movie I watched.
Speaker 3: And I came out and I'd seen it with some
Speaker 3: friends and my mum and dad as well. I remember
Speaker 3: being really embarrassed because I didn't know what was happening
Speaker 3: because I was crying, like it was the first time.
Speaker 3: I was like crying from kind of joy and happiness
Speaker 3: and like it wasn't that I was upset about. And
Speaker 3: I just didn't know, and I was really embarrassed. When
Speaker 3: I came out, I was like, call teary, and I
Speaker 3: was like, oh, don't look at me. That look at me,
Speaker 3: because I thought everyone was going to goeh, what are
Speaker 3: you crying for? And probably they did, but I just
Speaker 3: I was so moved. I was so moved by at
Speaker 3: going home, I cried.
Speaker 1: I had the same experience. I cried my heart out
Speaker 1: watching ET. I remember. I remember the day I saw it.
Speaker 1: We went into the city to watch.
Speaker 3: It, my sort at the State Theater.
Speaker 1: I remember, yeah, and It's and I watched it recently,
Speaker 1: did it on this podcast with Ben Lomass and and
Speaker 1: it's it's it holds up so well. It is such
Speaker 1: a brilliant, beautiful film.
Speaker 3: You know what else holds up as far as you know.
Speaker 3: Obviously it's a Spielberg film, so of course they hold up.
Speaker 3: But you do watch them back and you go, wow,
Speaker 3: he really was just hitting the beat every time and
Speaker 3: pushing your buttons on everything. Jaws, Yeah, my god, that's
Speaker 3: still like moves out of pace. Because you know, sometimes
Speaker 3: you go back and you watch films from the seventies seventies,
Speaker 3: go there's a bit slow, and you know in today's
Speaker 3: time they'd have been straight in and started that with
Speaker 3: the action sequence whatever. But Jaws really still moves at
Speaker 3: a clip.
Speaker 1: But also Jaws, like the sharks not in it as
Speaker 1: much as I remember, No great, yeah, because he just
Speaker 1: builds his tension.
Speaker 3: It's also not quite as scary when you see anymore either.
Speaker 1: But yes, the Universal Studios and seen the Shark over there.
Speaker 1: It's do you remember the first film you saw.
Speaker 3: See? My first sort of film memory of going to that.
Speaker 3: I can remember the cinema I was in was et
Speaker 3: where I actually went to the cinema, but I know
Speaker 3: I must have seen movies before that. But that's my
Speaker 3: most vivid memory of being at the State Theater in
Speaker 3: Sydney where they used to show movies obviously, which they
Speaker 3: don't anymore. It's a venue now, but no, I can't
Speaker 3: actually remember the first.
Speaker 1: And health do you check out movies now?
Speaker 3: I really like going to the cinema. I used to
Speaker 3: go to the cinema a lot when I was in
Speaker 3: the UK because I'd always be on tour. Not on tour,
Speaker 3: but just like as a comedian, you were just away
Speaker 3: every weekend doing club gigs just around the country. And
Speaker 3: my favorite thing was to always go to the cinema
Speaker 3: at eleven o'clock in the morning, and it was only
Speaker 3: five pounds. It was actually relatively cheap there to like,
Speaker 3: it's really expensive here to go to the cinema, but yeah,
Speaker 3: and I just go at eleven o'clock in an empty cinema.
Speaker 3: Nothing better. I love going to the movies by myself,
Speaker 3: so do I. It's just the best.
Speaker 1: Do you feel when you go somebody else? There's is
Speaker 1: that wondering if they're enjoying it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, a little bit of pressure if you've picked the film.
Speaker 3: Certain people I don't want to go to films with
Speaker 3: anymore because I just kind of they never get it
Speaker 3: or they don't like the same things I do. Like,
Speaker 3: I'm quite careful now. The one of the recent film
Speaker 3: memories I had of going with a bunch of people
Speaker 3: and having a great time again. It was when I was,
Speaker 3: you know, touring, and I tour with my sister and
Speaker 3: my sister and tour manager and I went to see
Speaker 3: Amy s Humer's film train Wreck, train Wreck, and we
Speaker 3: went we were on tour in Brisbane and we just
Speaker 3: went we'd had we must have. We watched a really
Speaker 3: bad film the night before. I won't say what it was,
Speaker 3: but we all felt just we were just angry about
Speaker 3: how bad it was. We watched it on DVD. We'd
Speaker 3: all been really looking forward to it. We watched it
Speaker 3: and were so furious that we had just wasted an
Speaker 3: hour and a half and invested in it. The next
Speaker 3: morning just went, you know what, eleven o'clock, let's go
Speaker 3: and see train Wreck. And we just sat in that
Speaker 3: cinema all to ourselves and had the time. It was
Speaker 3: like it was like we were cleansed, cleansed of this
Speaker 3: stupid film we'd watch the night before.
Speaker 1: I'm going to definitely ask you off did make you
Speaker 1: mad because of like messaging in the film, or just.
Speaker 3: How did this get made? Like are you kidding me?
Speaker 3: Like shut up, get off. I wanted to frisbee the
Speaker 3: DVD into the Brisbane River after we finished, and they
Speaker 3: stopped me citing pollution, and I went, all right, that
Speaker 3: was the only thing that stopped me. But I just
Speaker 3: never wanted that thing to I didn't want to take
Speaker 3: it home.
Speaker 1: There's nothing like going and having a great laugh out
Speaker 1: loud moment, you know, in the cinema. Obviously in Bridesmaids
Speaker 1: with Bridge and this had the same reunit, just like
Speaker 1: we just laughed the whole way through it.
Speaker 3: I think another one again, same thing during in Adelaide.
Speaker 3: Going to the cinema during the day on your day off,
Speaker 3: you know, which is such a nice thing to do
Speaker 3: because you wouldn't normally do it if you're working every night.
Speaker 3: Wentz or Game Night. Yes, oh my god, that's a
Speaker 3: funny film. That was a I watched it again last night,
Speaker 3: but and you still laughed, like so many good bits.
Speaker 3: But at the cinema, God, we enjoyed that film. We
Speaker 3: all just were like again, three of us, matual manager,
Speaker 3: my sister and myself just sitting in a pretty much
Speaker 3: empty cinema. And it does make you a bit sad
Speaker 3: though as well. You go this is a really good film.
Speaker 3: Everyone should be in here. Yeah, I do get sad
Speaker 3: about that.
Speaker 1: Because I do have memories of going to the movies,
Speaker 1: you know, when it's you know where you had to
Speaker 1: you had you tick up your seat and you had
Speaker 1: to sit in that seat because you know all the
Speaker 1: seats are going to be full. Yeah. Now it's just
Speaker 1: there's no point really telling you.
Speaker 3: Where, because it's a bit sad, isn't it.
Speaker 1: It is, it really is. And hopefully, you know, when
Speaker 1: we come through the other side of this craziness, all
Speaker 1: the cinemas are still there.
Speaker 3: But there's certain cinemas you won't go to anymore. Like
Speaker 3: I won't go to any of the big kind of
Speaker 3: you know, multiplex things anymore, just because there's too many
Speaker 3: young people with phones on and getting up. Who gets
Speaker 3: up in the middle of the film. If your snacks
Speaker 3: run out, bad luck, your snacks have run out, like
Speaker 3: they go and refill. They should shut the snack bar.
Speaker 1: They should, they should. I because I I have a
Speaker 1: nana's bladder. So it was a long film. I sometimes
Speaker 1: do have to like and I just and I don't
Speaker 1: think I ever run as fast we.
Speaker 3: My pants before I leve Cema just because you're going
Speaker 3: to miss something. It's like if you walk into the
Speaker 3: cinema and it started, I have to leave. I can't.
Speaker 3: I can't if I've missed the first minute, I can't.
Speaker 3: I have to, I can't go.
Speaker 1: I feel I feel that way if it's almost like
Speaker 1: your gate crashed a movie, but you might.
Speaker 3: Have missed something so crucial. That's what I always think.
Speaker 3: What if I missed the first crucial minute.
Speaker 1: And I've got kids so often, and they're old enough
Speaker 1: now this doesn't happened so much now, but they know
Speaker 1: when I had to take them to the toilet, you know,
Speaker 1: when I couldn't let them just walk out of the
Speaker 1: cinema and go. I would have to. And I remember
Speaker 1: Oscar once, my youngest, three times in a movie. That's
Speaker 1: it is.
Speaker 3: It's just I want your attention.
Speaker 1: I'm not wanting to myself. I'm not enjoying this movie.
Speaker 3: That was really difficult for me because I really enjoy
Speaker 3: animation and Pixar films and those kind of things, and
Speaker 3: it was quite difficult for me to come to terms
Speaker 3: with the fact that when I go and see those
Speaker 3: at the cinema, it's going to be full of kids. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and you have to just accept that there's going to
Speaker 3: be noise and it's going to be talking, and that's
Speaker 3: what happens. So I just started waiting for them to
Speaker 3: come to streaming because you can't really turn around and
Speaker 3: shush three you're oh, stop it. You can tell old
Speaker 3: people that.
Speaker 1: Kids, I want to work a buzz light. It's going
Speaker 1: to get home.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they run around. It's like, sit down.
Speaker 1: Running around is too much like come on parents, rain.
Speaker 1: And then it took me a while to kind of
Speaker 1: get used to the idea of going to those films,
Speaker 1: you know, by myself, you know.
Speaker 3: Like animation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, really I just kind of saw them as you know,
Speaker 1: as kids films, and yeah, I think I absolutely love them,
Speaker 1: but it just took me. I remember seeing Toy Story
Speaker 1: and there was quite a lot of buzz about the animation.
Speaker 1: It's quite like a bit of a game changer. So
Speaker 1: I was like, from a from a cinephiles perspective, I'll
Speaker 1: check this Toy Story out. I thought, bloody hell, this
Speaker 1: is amazing. Yea, and I love it.
Speaker 3: My sister's got three boys and when they were younger,
Speaker 3: and my sister hates animation, hates it, and so I
Speaker 3: would like, you know, oh my god, this is a drink.
Speaker 3: I'm true. I'm going to take their kids to animation,
Speaker 3: same experience I had. One of my nephews wanted to
Speaker 3: go to the toilet twice in the films. Never again,
Speaker 3: Never again. You know I missed crucial bits of that film.
Speaker 1: Well, when The Force Awakens came out, I'm a big
Speaker 1: Star Wars fan, and I was obviously very excited, and
Speaker 1: I took all three boys. Date opened and Oscar wanted
Speaker 1: to go to the bathroom, you know, a pretty crucial point.
Speaker 1: So I had to go back and watch it the
Speaker 1: next day. And so you took him, Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: didn't learn him what his pants?
Speaker 3: What if you just said just give it five minutes?
Speaker 1: So if you forget well I tried. I tried a
Speaker 1: few things. I was like, mate, just just hold it in.
Speaker 1: No more water.
Speaker 3: Beverages.
Speaker 1: But but then, so when the next Dole Wills film
Speaker 1: came out, I actually went and saw it by myself.
Speaker 1: I didn't tell them. I just went so by myself.
Speaker 1: So I've got it. I've seen it. And then the
Speaker 1: next day I went and saw it with the I
Speaker 1: could be fun out if you need to go to
Speaker 1: the bathroom. I can take you to the bathroom. So yeah,
Speaker 1: there you go. Well, can you thank you so much
Speaker 1: for coming on board? You ain't saying thanks for having me?
Speaker 3: And I'm sorry I didn't have better insights into the matrix.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry I didn't have any answers for you.
Speaker 3: Wouldn't it have been great. I've got to sat here
Speaker 3: and explain the whole thing to you.
Speaker 1: That would have been great.
Speaker 3: That was my plan. I'm really going to get this.
Speaker 3: I'm going to focus, I'm going to understand it. I'm
Speaker 3: going to blow Pete's mind. It just didn't happen.
Speaker 1: It didn't. But we we know that you're no kickboxing
Speaker 1: now and that song, yeah yeah, look out people, look out.
Speaker 1: Thanks Kiddy, Thanks once again to Kittie Flanagan for dropping by.
Speaker 1: You ain't seen nothing yet. I couldn't wait to record
Speaker 1: this conversation. Like the movie, we had a lot of questions.
Speaker 1: I'm it's not sure if we had that many answers,
Speaker 1: but it was fun trying to get our noggins around
Speaker 1: the matrix. If you have if you want to explain
Speaker 1: the matrix to me, or if you have anything that
Speaker 1: is raised in this episode, get on to me at
Speaker 1: Yasney podcast at gmail dot com. Yasney as in you
Speaker 1: ain't seen nothing yet, y A S N Y. Until
Speaker 1: then we'll see then. Bye, and so we leave all
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