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Speaker 2: Good morning, and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Thursday,

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Speaker 2: the twenty first of November. I'm Harry, I'm Emma. Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump takes office in January, but since his recent election win,

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Speaker 2: the US President elect has been choosing who will join

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Speaker 2: his future administration and cabinet. A range of senior White

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Speaker 2: House positions have already been filled across areas like foreign affairs, environment,

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Speaker 2: border security, and health. Many of Trump's picks already have

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Speaker 2: high profiles in the US, ranking from state senators to

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Speaker 2: billionaires and a Fox News presenter and a politician from

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Speaker 2: one of America's most influential families, the Kennedys. On the

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Speaker 2: podcast today, we're going to take you through some of

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Speaker 2: those appointments from what you need to know about their

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Speaker 1: Harry, I've been seeing all these names and faces popping

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Speaker 1: It almost feels like a celebrity runway of people heading

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Speaker 2: There's obviously as started lineup, you might say, and Dar.

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Speaker 1: Started line up, and there's obviously Harry still two months

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Speaker 1: before Donald Trump is inaugurated, but he seems to be

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Speaker 1: getting to work quickly. But I want to know straight

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Speaker 1: off the bat, is this something unique to US politics,

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Speaker 1: because I can't really remember there being this much hype

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Speaker 2: In recent years. Emma, I am so glad that you

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Speaker 2: asked me, because there is nothing I love more than

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Speaker 2: comparing Australian and American democracies. This is just like my

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Speaker 2: niche area of interest. Well, thank god, it's my special

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Speaker 2: So this is a moment I feel like we can

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Speaker 2: American system allows for the president to choose basically whoever

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Speaker 1: I think it's also important to add a distinction that

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Speaker 2: That's right, And so that means you don't have to

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Speaker 1: All right, let's talk then about some of these appointments,

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Speaker 2: So Trump has been announcing a lot of appointments, and

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Speaker 1: I've done a lot of work on this one, Harry,

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Speaker 1: after this. So RFK Junior really hails from this family

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Speaker 1: Okay, So I guess that speaks to the heart of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. You mentioned Harry also a Fox News

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Speaker 2: So his name is Pete Hegseth, who's been named as

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Speaker 2: It's recently emerged that Pete Hegseth was investigated for sexual

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Speaker 2: There weren't criminal charges pressed against Matt Gates, but for

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Speaker 1: So Gates denies any wrongdoing. There haven't been criminal charges

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Speaker 2: It's a really interesting issue with Gates because the House

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Speaker 2: He needs to go through what's known as a Senate

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Speaker 2: the Senate process is important because it provides a bit

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Speaker 1: So this process is kind of like I guess a

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Speaker 1: That's a big panel, and the Senate can hypothetically block

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Speaker 2: Exactly right? But it doesn't happen very often. And there

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Speaker 1: But what we do know is that some republic have

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that in turn raises a few questions about

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Speaker 2: Trump will have to name someone else, but if not,

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Speaker 1: Okay, So, Harry, you've painted us a great picture of

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Speaker 1: So it could be a little while longer before we

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Speaker 2: That's right, but given the way that things work in

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Speaker 2: So we'd be quite confident in that. And the few

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Speaker 2: questions around Matt Gates will be a really interesting development

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Speaker 2: and it's something that we will be definitely staying across.

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Speaker 1: Harry, Thank you so much for looping us into that

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Speaker 1: one today. Really complicated story and as you mentioned, changing

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Speaker 1: it all changes. Thank you so.

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Speaker 2: Much, Harry, Pleasure, Thanks Emma, thank you for.

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