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Speaker 1: We've got the opposition leader, Leofanocchiaro.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Good morning everyone. Happy Friday, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Happy Friday.

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Speaker 4: We've got Sky News Northern Territory Bureau Chiefs a week.

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Speaker 2: Call you, Matt coming out, call me excellent.

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Speaker 4: I'm.

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Speaker 5: I wouldn't know.

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Speaker 1: We've got Robin Lamley, the Independent Member for Aarra Loo

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Speaker 1: and goodboding Robert.

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Speaker 6: Thanks Katie, good to be here.

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Speaker 1: And we've got Natasha Files, the Minister for Health and

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Speaker 4: Good morning morning, Robin and I are sharing a microphends

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Speaker 3: It's because Robin was cuddling up to each other.

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Speaker 4: World today, well, I do not necessarily used today as respectful.

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Speaker 1: Well, look, we might actually start with Parliament and we

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Speaker 1: farce earlier in the week, I think with the Speaker

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Speaker 1: the opposition tempted to censure the government over the twelve

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Speaker 1: million dollar doll and Turf Club grandstand. But well, discussion

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Speaker 3: Leah.

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Speaker 1: You and you were angered by the fact that Michael

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Speaker 1: Gonna refuse to answer questions about that twelve million dollar grant.

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Speaker 1: You said that really, you know, he wasn't answering any

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Speaker 3: In the territory.

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Speaker 1: Now, I think it's safe to say that we're pretty

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Speaker 3: There's no doubt about that. But it was pretty crappy.

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Speaker 1: Behavior, you know, in terms of the number of times,

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Speaker 2: Well, it's impossible when you operate in a dictatorship. And

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Speaker 2: They didn't want to hear it. We always interrupted twenty

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Speaker 2: And of course, so so Tuesday Wednesday turf club questions,

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Speaker 1: I mean, they were quick to say that you stormed

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Speaker 4: My side of the story is here we go.

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Speaker 1: Well, please don't call me mum, but yeah, look, I

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Speaker 1: I don't know, like I don't know what you think, Matt,

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Speaker 7: Make one good point you make, and I think it

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Speaker 7: you know what happened to that approach, because that's what

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Speaker 7: well that the board's got to resign, and if they

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Speaker 7: because I don't think that the people that they want to.

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Speaker 5: Get off the board are all going to get off

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Speaker 5: the board. And then where are we going to be at.

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Speaker 7: We're going to have a situation where the government's going

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Speaker 7: every club in the Northern Territory.

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Speaker 4: So in terms of the center, the leader of the

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Speaker 4: opposition completely failed to deliver it. She attempted a number

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Speaker 2: That is an actual lie. That is an actual lie.

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Speaker 2: And what why I read my censure? We sent and

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Speaker 2: new and then the speaker said do you accept the censure?

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Speaker 4: And then you said no, you it took you about

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Speaker 4: seven attempts because you interrupted me that many times.

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Speaker 2: I had fifteen secure and lie except here and lie that's.

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Speaker 3: Ridiculous, and explain it.

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Speaker 2: You said no. If I hadn't have delivered it, you

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Speaker 1: So I did my bit, you did your The fact

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Speaker 1: don't think people are too concerned about, you know, about

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Speaker 1: now and I think that that is the big thing here.

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Speaker 1: It's quite foolish of the government to think that everyday

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Speaker 1: that it was him. You know, there was gray areas there.

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Speaker 1: So then when you start to scratch around and you

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Speaker 2: And every government is responsible accountable to the parliament. In

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Speaker 2: And we've only got thirty days a year and they're

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Speaker 6: What happened in Parliament during the week really was quite appalling,

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Speaker 6: and they shut us down pretty much at every turn. Look,

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Speaker 6: I think you've got to put this into perspective. People

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Speaker 6: shut down at every turn to talk about things that

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Speaker 6: matter to our constituents is ethically and morally wrong. Now,

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Speaker 6: the government will always have the final say, and I'm

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Speaker 6: not going to lose any sleep over this. It is

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Speaker 6: what it is. It is wrong, but people like Natasha

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Speaker 6: make that decision every day in Parliament, every minute of

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Speaker 6: every day in parliament, and it's just wrong. But I

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Speaker 6: need to move on, like I'm not going to spend

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Speaker 6: a lot of time worrying about this when my town

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Speaker 6: has got all sorts of troubles around crime, around the

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Speaker 6: fact that the tourism industry is collapsing. This sort of

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Speaker 6: staff is semantics, it's bs and people know that what

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Speaker 6: Matt said is absolutely true.

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Speaker 2: But Robin also, you know what it does is it's

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Speaker 2: not the government shutting me down or you down, or

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Speaker 2: y near down. It's shutting our community down. We're all

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Speaker 2: there as equals. We come ready and loaded, representing five

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Speaker 2: thousand people each. That's what we all represent. And so

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Speaker 2: when we come to Parliament, when we come to Parliament,

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Speaker 2: we have to go in with those people in mind.

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Speaker 2: That's what we're there for. So when governments stop us

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Speaker 4: Actually it's actually hours and hours of parliament in questions

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Speaker 4: who we represented Parliament.

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Speaker 2: It's not ourselves we represent, but.

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Speaker 3: We certainly the questions.

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Speaker 3: Love to hear from you today.

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Speaker 1: Also broadcasting on eighth in Alice Springs, it is just

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Speaker 6: Look pretty much the same, Katie. What's interesting for me

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Speaker 5: To start paying attention, well exactly.

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Speaker 1: Look, I think it's hard at the moment for me

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Speaker 6: It's not. We cannot ever accept it, and we have

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Speaker 2: We can't stand by this. I mean, Natasha, you're the

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Speaker 4: So we don't stand by. We've invested across a range

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Speaker 4: And so we don't accept this as normal behavior. We

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Speaker 3: And I think stop.

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Speaker 4: to acknowledge we have adult corrections. We launched the Aboriginal

438
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Speaker 4: Justice Agreement earlier this week, and it would be great

439
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Speaker 4: to hear from Lea whether she supports that and whether

440
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Speaker 4: she will sign that.

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Speaker 2: Very happy to talk about the Aboriginal Justice Agreement that

442
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Speaker 2: our forty eight actions has one that even mentions victims, so.

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Speaker 4: You won't be supporting it.

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Speaker 1: So like, while we're discussing this now, I've just been

445
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Speaker 1: sent through photos of what looked like honestly eight year

446
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Speaker 1: old kids walking around the city last night the CB

447
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Speaker 1: last night, to the.

448
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Speaker 7: Point that the thing that I think, and I've said

449
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Speaker 7: this before when I went down to Alice Springs earlier

450
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Speaker 7: this year, that that was the thing that blew my mind.

451
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Speaker 7: It was eight year old kitchen around the streets exactly,

452
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Speaker 7: you know. And I absolutely can understand Robin's frustration and

453
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Speaker 7: the people of our springs.

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Speaker 5: So you must be listening.

455
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Speaker 7: And when they're listening to us later today in Alice Springs,

456
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Speaker 7: they'll be thinking, what are these people banging on again?

457
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Speaker 2: Constantly, except when the Chief Minister is in town.

458
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Speaker 5: But it is.

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Speaker 7: But it's also like it it's not something I wouldn't

460
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Speaker 7: have a clue how to fix it. This is something

461
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Speaker 7: that's the point by decades of bad policy basically, and

462
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Speaker 7: that's the position we're in now.

463
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Speaker 2: But a lot of these kids are in the care

464
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Speaker 2: of the territory, right, so the territory is in effect

465
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Speaker 2: the parent of a lot of these young people, and

466
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Speaker 2: yet they're allowed to be out on the streets in

467
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Speaker 2: the middle of the night causing destruction.

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Speaker 3: Just point out.

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Speaker 4: So we've grown the investment in youth justice from around

470
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Speaker 4: two million to over sixty million. We have to the

471
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Speaker 4: point that I was getting at, you have to you

472
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Speaker 4: have adult corrections, you have youth justice, and you have

473
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Speaker 4: to But the strong correlation between child protection and youth justice,

474
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Speaker 4: we know that in the territory. We also know that

475
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Speaker 4: it's child neglect. And so in terms of this work,

476
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Speaker 4: there is a lot of hard grinding work. You don't

477
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Speaker 4: see the results quickly, but we are starting to see

478
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Speaker 4: some of those statistics turn. But Katie I took offense

479
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Speaker 4: that we're sort of gas lighting and we don't.

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Speaker 3: Care, because we do genuinely can that.

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Speaker 1: And it feels for people because every time they talk

482
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Speaker 1: about it, like every time they ring in or every

483
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Speaker 1: time they talk about it, then when they're you know,

484
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Speaker 1: then when you know, when they try to have their

485
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Speaker 1: concerns heard, or when you've got a business who's grappling

486
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Speaker 1: with some of this behavior, or when you've got somebody

487
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Speaker 1: who's had you know, youth saying that they're going to

488
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Speaker 1: stab them.

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Speaker 3: You know, with respect.

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Speaker 1: Talking about what you're going to do over a ten

491
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Speaker 1: year period isn't going to help them right now.

492
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Speaker 3: What we're doing for them.

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Speaker 1: More police ruses reason even when you've got you know,

494
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Speaker 1: like we had the police on yesterday and the police

495
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Speaker 1: commander said, you know, they're in a situation where they

496
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Speaker 1: can't arrest somebody who's behaving badly around the CBD or

497
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Speaker 1: who's out on the streets.

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Speaker 3: And that's where you go, well, where is territory families.

499
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Speaker 4: They're side by side with the ureos. But this and

500
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Speaker 4: that's that investment from twenty million to over six company

501
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Speaker 4: on the street. It's a really difficult issue and we

502
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Speaker 4: are putting resources in right now upfront, and we're also

503
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Speaker 4: making sure that there is long term work, but it's

504
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Speaker 4: an incredibly difficult issue. No government has the silver bullet.

505
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Speaker 4: Were certainly to have the silver but we haven't seen

506
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Speaker 4: territory families or you know whoever walking around the street

507
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Speaker 4: at night trying to round these kids up. So, Katie,

508
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Speaker 4: we're certainly putting in place a number of measures to

509
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Speaker 4: address these issues and to make sure that we do

510
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Speaker 4: see that change. And of course, and any incident is

511
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Speaker 4: unacceptable and it angers us and the response. You know,

512
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Speaker 4: we do care when it happens in our communities. We

513
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Speaker 4: feel for people significantly. But what I'm saying is that

514
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Speaker 4: we have to have long term investment and we can't

515
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Speaker 4: have the chopping and changing.

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Speaker 2: You seeds have got worse.

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Speaker 6: Why do you think crime has deteriorated under your watch

518
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Speaker 6: over the last five years.

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Speaker 4: We know that there's a number of factors that lead

520
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Speaker 4: to crime, Robin, we need. We saw significant work done,

521
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Speaker 4: Jody and Carney and Melandery McCarthy did a significant body

522
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Speaker 4: of work. We saw that work pulled away, we saw

523
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Speaker 4: a decline to police resources. Then we've come back and

524
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Speaker 4: put that investment in place, but it takes time to

525
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Speaker 4: see that results. But we certainly any incident of crime

526
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Speaker 4: is dealt with and it should be dealt with appropriately.

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Speaker 2: I think it's because you came in and watered down

528
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Speaker 2: bower laws and watered down the powers. You took use

529
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Speaker 2: justice out of corrections and put it in territory families.

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Speaker 2: You depowered youth justice officers. All of these things are

531
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Speaker 2: now coming home to roosts and it is at catastrophic levels.

532
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Speaker 2: You've taken powers away from our police, our youth justice

533
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Speaker 2: offices being abused and insulted every.

534
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Speaker 4: Day like adults, and so saying usment but just to

535
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Speaker 4: adult corrections and commission.

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Speaker 2: That makes you You're making it sound like I'm saying,

537
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 2: put use in an adult prison.

538
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Speaker 3: We will put it.

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Speaker 5: I'm not going to get to your level that youth

540
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 5: still are in an.

541
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Speaker 2: Adult They are in an adult prison, that is prison.

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Speaker 7: Four years after the government promise to build a new

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Speaker 7: facility for them.

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Speaker 5: I don't know whether was so even being turned out

545
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Speaker 5: there exactly.

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Speaker 2: And they're building a new seventy million dollar facivities facility

547
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Speaker 2: with thirty beds. You know, this is this is chronic

548
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Speaker 2: policy failure. The bail reform is not working, you know.

549
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Speaker 2: Alderman Gary Haslett was brutalized by the alleged defender was

550
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Speaker 2: thirteen years old and on bail at the time. Now

551
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Speaker 2: you can't tell you know, you guys wanted to spreak

552
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 2: the toughest ever crime laws. You wanted to say you're

553
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Speaker 2: making you know, bail. You know if you've breached your bail,

554
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 2: you won't get bail again. Well, that's clearly garbage because

555
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 2: people are still being victimized by young people who are

556
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Speaker 2: out on bao, so that system is fundamentally broken.

557
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Speaker 6: You know, there are people in Alice Springs, Aboriginal people

558
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Speaker 6: that want to help. They want to be a part

559
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Speaker 6: of the solution. They're sitting listening to you now. They

560
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:11,440
Speaker 6: are waiting to be called upon to help this situation

561
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Speaker 6: with kids, sensible people with really common sense solutions. They

562
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Speaker 6: haven't been engaged at all. There's a reluctance of government

563
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Speaker 6: to go beyond the bureaucracy the government itself. There are

564
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Speaker 6: solutions in Alice Springs that could be tapped into very easily,

565
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Speaker 6: and I really ask the government to start looking at it.

566
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Speaker 5: I think that's a really good point.

567
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Speaker 7: Just quickly, and from my most recent visit to Alice Springs,

568
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Speaker 7: I spend a bit of time with Michael Little down

569
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Speaker 7: there and he spoke more sense in half an hour

570
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Speaker 7: than I've heard a politician speaking five or six years.

571
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Speaker 6: And a cheap, common sense solution.

572
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Speaker 7: I think that I think Rom's got a really good point.

573
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Speaker 7: They're the people who really need to be engaged.

574
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Speaker 2: And Tenant Creek is the same. Tennant Creek is absolutely

575
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Speaker 2: the same. I think when you boil it all down,

576
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,119
Speaker 2: we've got a government that's happy to talk about spending

577
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Speaker 2: lots of money on offenders and just completely has walked

578
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,919
Speaker 2: away from victims and there's a massive disconnect there. You

579
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 2: are entirely offender focus and you have left territorians behind.

580
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Speaker 3: Well, look we're going to take a very short break.

581
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Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one oh four point nine's

582
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,439
Speaker 1: three sixty. It is twenty five minutes away from ten o'clock,

583
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 1: still plenty to discuss. It is twenty minutes away from

584
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: ten o'clock and you are in the oh listening to

585
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 1: the week that was in the studio with the s

586
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Speaker 1: Robin Lamley, Natasha Files, Matt Cunningham and Leo Finocchio. Now

587
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: Territory Day and the fact that it's being well celebrated

588
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 1: on August twenty nine, has got a lot of people

589
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 1: very concerned around the fireworks. We honestly we have been

590
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 1: inundated with phone calls, with messages. We put a post

591
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,399
Speaker 1: up on the socials earlier in the week and a

592
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 1: lot of people living out in the rural area are

593
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Speaker 1: incredibly worried about the date. And the reason for that

594
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Speaker 1: is the fact that usually we see in late August

595
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Speaker 1: the threat of a fireban and the threat.

596
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Speaker 3: Of fires is quite high.

597
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Speaker 1: We know that if a fireban is declared, hopefully we'd

598
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Speaker 1: know a couple of days or a few days leading

599
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 1: into the twenty ninth of August. But what it would

600
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Speaker 1: mean then is that nobody would actually be allowed to

601
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Speaker 1: let those fireworks off. So throughout the week we spoke

602
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Speaker 1: to a number of different people who raise their concerns

603
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Speaker 1: about firecrackers being able to be let off. On the

604
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Speaker 1: twenty ninth, we also though caught up with Luke, the

605
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Speaker 1: owner of Fusion Fireworks, who had said to us that

606
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Speaker 1: realistically they just need to know either way, if there

607
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 1: needs to be specific areas where the fireworks are allowed

608
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Speaker 1: to be let off, well tell the retailers nice and early,

609
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Speaker 1: but that he had not been consulted with you know

610
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Speaker 1: before that date was decided, and that's what we're kind

611
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 1: of hearing quite loudly and clearly. I think at this

612
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 1: point is that nobody, by the sounds of it, had

613
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Speaker 1: been consulted with I'm assuming that the Chief Minister had

614
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 1: obviously consulted with someone filesy, had he consulted with his

615
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: cabinet about that date extensively.

616
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Speaker 4: So Katie, obviously territory Day, I can't remember that, whether

617
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Speaker 4: we're in lockdown.

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00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 3: In lockdown, I.

619
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Speaker 5: Can't remember the line.

620
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 2: Not ou Natasha. She always remembers the lines get a

621
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 2: bit offended along the way, but she remembers that you

622
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 2: heard it.

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Speaker 9: Firstly, she remembers you found respect his files how to

624
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 9: chat in the break and I'm going to not be

625
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 9: offended by Leah, but she's going to be nice to me.

626
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 9: But I at that what I was trying to the

627
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 9: COVID days certainly ag quickly.

628
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Speaker 2: But we couldn't have.

629
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Speaker 4: Territory down on the first of July because we're even

630
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 4: lockdown or it was near lockdown. I can't remember in lockdown,

631
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 4: So August twenty and obviously territory Day, first of July

632
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 4: is the dry season, so there is fire risk then,

633
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,239
Speaker 4: so August twenty nine is a special day, Territory Day

634
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 4: and Freedom Day, and certainly hoping that the weather is good.

635
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 4: But if there is a total fire band in certain areas,

636
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 4: then that does include crackers.

637
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Speaker 2: So didn't answer made the decision that this was it?

638
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 2: Old Chief out on his own, or you guys are

639
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 2: back to your mamma high five pats on the back, go.

640
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 9: On, Mickey, Well yah, you're only Oh no, I can't

641
00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 9: say that because that would be mean and I'm trying

642
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 9: to be nice.

643
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 3: You're on you don't know how, I don't know. Well,

644
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 3: we're here on mixed one O four nine.

645
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 4: We're not offended by much, so feel free to tell

646
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 4: us you know, will please with me?

647
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 3: Think I'm certainly not offended by much. I don't think

648
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 3: you are, are you mat cunning home?

649
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 6: I'd like to say, we have a perennial dry season

650
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 6: in Central Australia, So you you mop up here. You

651
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 6: need to get over yourselves.

652
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: Not you.

653
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Speaker 3: Deeply apologizing. I'm like, how was the decision made, Natasha?

654
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Speaker 3: Was it?

655
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Speaker 1: Did the whole cabinet actually make this decision? Because I

656
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: will say that our bushfires MT and our rural firefighters

657
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 1: and people that live rural they genuinely are concerned about

658
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Speaker 1: the gamber grass and the threat of bad fires on

659
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Speaker 1: on the day that has been chosen on August twenty nine.

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Speaker 4: So Katie as I was just saying in a long

661
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Speaker 4: winded way, we missed out on Territory Day. It's been

662
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Speaker 4: rescheduled to August twenty nine. The same rules apply for

663
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Speaker 4: the first of July. There's firebands then people won't be

664
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Speaker 4: able to have crackers in those areas. The professional fireworks

665
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Speaker 4: they'll be right across the territory. Anti major events are

666
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Speaker 4: organizing that. So you know, we celebrate Territory Day in

667
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Speaker 4: the dry season on July first. We know that August

668
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Speaker 4: twenty nine people have those concerns. I think today's there's

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Speaker 4: a fire already h and there's advice going out, so

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Speaker 4: you know it's no different. People have to listen to

671
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Speaker 4: the advice to pick up on Robin's point in Central Australia.

672
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Speaker 4: They have to listen to the advice in their local area.

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Speaker 2: But why didn't government just make it the next week?

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Speaker 2: You know, like everyone had the wholesalers had the fireworks,

675
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Speaker 2: people were ready, the advertising was out, the sheds had

676
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Speaker 2: been hired people at least premises all of those things.

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Speaker 2: Why didn't government just move it one week later? It'd

678
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Speaker 2: be done in Dustin and we wouldn't be having this conversation.

679
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Speaker 7: Risk had been called un territory and could we have

680
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Speaker 7: survived for a year without it?

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Speaker 5: I mean, I know we didn't have last year.

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Speaker 6: I totally I've got a conflict of interest. My family

683
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Speaker 6: been selling fireworks in the territory for twenty years.

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Speaker 3: We stood to there's a.

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Speaker 6: Lot of money, but I feel the same as Mad

686
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Speaker 6: why not just grap it for a year?

687
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Speaker 1: But this is the thing as well, Robin, and this

688
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Speaker 1: is the discussion that we'd had with Fusion earlier in

689
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Speaker 1: the week. You know they've now been renting space for

690
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Speaker 1: seven weeks, obviously waiting on from that initial date, and

691
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Speaker 1: then they've got I think one hundred and fifty torn

692
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Speaker 1: a firework he set in storage. So if you know,

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Speaker 1: obviously firework retailers make as you've seen, it's certainly a

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Speaker 1: lucrative day. It's a great day for people if you

695
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Speaker 1: are selling those fireworks. But then if we get to

696
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Speaker 1: four days out and there is a fireban going to

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Speaker 1: be in place, or it's a few days out and

698
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Speaker 1: there's going to be a fireban in place. For those retailers,

699
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Speaker 1: you would have to say it to be quite devastating

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Speaker 1: for them if they've been rented place.

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Speaker 6: You only pay for what you sell as a retailer,

702
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Speaker 6: so it's the supplies that lose out and they do

703
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Speaker 6: most of the advertising.

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Speaker 4: Term.

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Speaker 7: I think to talk about the fireman is one thing,

706
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Speaker 7: but whether there's a fireban or not, I mean, the

707
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Speaker 7: government might be hoping there's a fireban because whether if

708
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Speaker 7: there's no fireman. There's still a big difference between July

709
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Speaker 7: one and August twenty nine, and might be there might

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Speaker 7: be a fire man because it's windy or whatever, or

711
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,479
Speaker 7: it's a bit hotter. But it's the problem with August

712
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Speaker 7: twenty nine is it's a hell of a lot drier

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Speaker 7: than it is on Yeah, July one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely absolutely, it's a mess. And of course, you

715
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Speaker 2: know we've already had some really horrific fires out in

716
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Speaker 2: the rural area. There was that one in Humpty Doo

717
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Speaker 2: the other day. We all saw the photos of that.

718
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Speaker 2: It's just it's really genuinely scary stuff. And I know,

719
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Speaker 2: I don't know if it's Luke, but I've certainly heard

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Speaker 2: that the people selling the fireworks were wanting to engage

721
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Speaker 2: with government and be consulted about maybe the government could

722
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Speaker 2: develop zones. For example, urban areas can be green zones

723
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Speaker 2: because there's less risk because there's less obviously bush land,

724
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Speaker 2: and then other areas can be staged. So you know,

725
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Speaker 2: the fact that you're hearing from Luke that there's been

726
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Speaker 2: no consultation just shows the government really doesn't have a

727
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Speaker 2: commitment to this issue. And I wouldn't be surprised if

728
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Speaker 2: there is a fireban on that day and the government goes, oh, well,

729
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Speaker 2: we've always said you know that, we've always said that.

730
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Speaker 3: Could be the risk.

731
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's just you're setting people up for failure

732
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Speaker 2: and people don't like that. It's disingenuous. People just want

733
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Speaker 2: certainty around these things, and this decision for twenty nine

734
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Speaker 2: August has created anything but that.

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Speaker 1: Well, whatever happens, I just really hope that we do

736
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Speaker 1: not see a situation where there's fires around the place.

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Speaker 1: We know that the you know like that there always

738
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Speaker 1: is come July first, but I really hope that we

739
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Speaker 1: don't end up with serious situations out in the rural

740
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Speaker 1: area with that gamber grass and you know, Robert, I

741
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Speaker 1: know you said Alice Springs obviously is the desert.

742
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Speaker 3: It's always dry, it's always pretty dry there.

743
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Speaker 1: But yeah, with that gamba, there is a real concern

744
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Speaker 1: for a lot of people that live in the rural area.

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Speaker 1: We might take a very short break. You are listening

746
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Speaker 1: to Mix one oh four point nine.

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Speaker 3: It is the week that was. You are listening to

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Speaker 3: Mix one oh four point nine. It is the week

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Speaker 3: that was.

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Speaker 1: And Leofanocchiaro, Matt Cunningham, Natasha Files and Robin Lamley all.

751
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Speaker 3: In the studio with us.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 1: I do want to talk about the fact that we

754
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Speaker 1: know that there's been further changes obviously to hotspots, and

755
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Speaker 1: well we have seen Canberra obviously going to a lockdown yesterday.

756
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Speaker 1: I got a couple of listeners in Canberra this morning,

757
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Speaker 1: Dan Bullshit and Carl listening to us away from from

758
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Speaker 1: Canberra as I unders done it well known ABC a

759
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Speaker 1: newsreader and reporter. But look, there's no doubt that these

760
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 1: lockdowns have a big impact all around the nation. But

761
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Speaker 1: whether you're in lockdown or you're not in lockdown, when

762
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Speaker 1: you talk about tourism in the Northern Territory, it's having

763
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Speaker 1: a big impact for us. I know that it's something

764
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Speaker 1: we've spoken to both Tourism Top End and also Tourism

765
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Speaker 1: Central Australia about Tourism Central Australia. Robert Have you know,

766
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Speaker 1: had told us at different times that this issue is

767
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Speaker 1: incredibly worrying for them.

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Speaker 6: Look, the industry is at its knees in certain sections.

769
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Speaker 6: Some are doing better than others, but I know that

770
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Speaker 6: there are a number of businesses, tourism businesses in Central

771
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Speaker 6: Australia that are looking at basically folding up. You can't

772
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Speaker 6: sustain a business if there's no customers month on endlessly,

773
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Speaker 6: so that's really sad.

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Speaker 4: So Katie, we're entering one of the most critical times

775
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Speaker 4: of the pandemic. We've seen the delta variant which is

776
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 4: different to no other. It's seeding outside of Sydney and

777
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Speaker 4: I won't go into that detail because people are well

778
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Speaker 4: familiar with that. We have to keep it out of

779
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Speaker 4: the territory. But in terms of tourism operators, absolutely, Tourism,

780
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 4: top End, Tourism, Central Australia, Hospitality, they've all done it

781
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Speaker 4: incredibly tough. We thought this dry season would be the

782
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 4: bumper season to help it wouldn't make up for but

783
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Speaker 4: incredibly focused on what support we can provide them and

784
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Speaker 4: noting that it's not necessarily we see support come in

785
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Speaker 4: for areas that are locked down. These are people that

786
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 4: are outside the lockdown, but the lockdowns are having just

787
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Speaker 4: as much of an impact. So if you're in a

788
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 4: Sydney and your cafes is shut, the same impact is

789
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,240
Speaker 4: being felt by tourism operators. So working with the commworths

790
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Speaker 4: but also looking at what we can do to provide

791
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 4: some support. Tourism vouchers help in one space, but we

792
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Speaker 4: know that they don't go into all the sectors and

793
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Speaker 4: there's a couple of areas of tourism that are particularly

794
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Speaker 4: hard hit.

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Speaker 2: It's really heartbreaking, you know, and people were hoping that

796
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Speaker 2: this dry season. Of course, essentially people have businesses had

797
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 2: three wet seasons. What we say up here, you know,

798
00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 2: it's different in Central Australia you have winters, but people

799
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 2: haven't been able to rebound out of this. Of course,

800
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,760
Speaker 2: the chopping and changing at the moment is just literally

801
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:10,840
Speaker 2: a daily, hourly occurrence and so it's really complicated for

802
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 2: people running a business. We can't do enough to support

803
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Speaker 2: them running. That's why it's so important as territorians. You know,

804
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 2: if you are thinking about, you know, going away for

805
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 2: the weekend or doing something, make sure you're out there

806
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 2: spending money in our local businesses and doing something a

807
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 2: bit different. You know, we've really got to back each

808
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Speaker 2: other in at this time.

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Speaker 7: I think just from a national perspective. I mean there's

810
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Speaker 7: a story on the front page of the Australian Financial

811
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Speaker 7: Review today that talked about how there's going to be

812
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Speaker 7: a brew haha in the National cabinet today with the

813
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Speaker 7: premiers blowing up at a plan by Gladys Breer Jiglian

814
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Speaker 7: to open up right to open. But the reality is

815
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Speaker 7: we're going to have to get to a point where

816
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Speaker 7: even if there are cases we can just have constant

817
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,839
Speaker 7: border closures and lockdowns. We've got to hit that vaccination rate,

818
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Speaker 7: whether it's seventy percent or eighty percent, And once we

819
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Speaker 7: get there, we've got to accept that this is a

820
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Speaker 7: virus that we're going to have to live with. Remember,

821
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Speaker 7: at the beginning of the pandemic, the plan was all

822
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Speaker 7: about suppressing the virus. Then it became politically advantageous for

823
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Speaker 7: state and territory governments to go We're going to eradicate

824
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 7: the virus. Now the government, he has done a really

825
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 7: good job, don't get me wrong. They've kept the virus

826
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Speaker 7: out of remote communities, which I think was the biggest

827
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Speaker 7: fear at the beginning. But we cannot for the next

828
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Speaker 7: two three five years have a situation where every time

829
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Speaker 7: there are cases pop up, a city goes into lockdown

830
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Speaker 7: because it's killing businesses and it will destroy our tourism

831
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Speaker 7: industry altogether. So I think by the end of this

832
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Speaker 7: year we're going to have to get to a point

833
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Speaker 7: and Gladys Bearogicallian is floating it today, but even if

834
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Speaker 7: there are cases in big.

835
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Speaker 5: Cities, we can't be constantly going into lockdown.

836
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Speaker 3: Well, and then we.

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Speaker 1: Saw throughout the week I thought that the Chief Minister

838
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Speaker 1: had said at some point throughout the week that even

839
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Speaker 1: if we do get to seventy percent or eighty percent

840
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 1: vaccination right here in the Northern Territory, that we are

841
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Speaker 1: still not going to mean it's still not going to

842
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:50,399
Speaker 1: mean that for us in the territory that we're open

843
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,240
Speaker 1: for business sort of thing to the other states.

844
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Speaker 4: I think Katie those comments where it can't just be

845
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 4: eighty percent of the population in Darwin. We need to

846
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 4: see that across the spread. But the Doughty Institute have

847
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 4: done their modeling and we've also asked some questions and

848
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,359
Speaker 4: we're sitting on a national group with them to work

849
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 4: through that. We have got those appointments and I encourage

850
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Speaker 4: anyone online. There is appointments right across the territory in

851
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 4: the urban areas to get vaccinated. So it's head to

852
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 4: that COVID website. And in terms of our remote program,

853
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 4: we're rolling it out very strongly. We're working with our

854
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 4: aboriginal medical organizations to get that vaccine. We've got some

855
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:24,280
Speaker 4: communities where there's excellent coverage and we've got other communities

856
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 4: where we need to work with community leaders. But we

857
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 4: are seeing that. Sammy Bush, the chair of the NLC,

858
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Speaker 4: a great picture of him on social media getting his vaccine.

859
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Speaker 4: So we really will work community by community so that

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Speaker 4: people can understand the importance of being vaccinated.

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Speaker 1: So what is the rate that's going to be deemed acceptable?

862
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Speaker 1: Is it going to be what the Dougherty Institute is indicated,

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Speaker 1: Is it eighty percent or seventy so, Katie, that hasn't.

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Speaker 4: Been a final decision, So there's a lot of work,

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Speaker 4: there's a lot of discussion going on, and we'll need

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Speaker 4: to make sure that we have the correct health advice

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Speaker 4: because we do have the unique circumstance of a particularly

868
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Speaker 4: vulnerable population. But we'd certainly happy to continue that discussion.

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Speaker 4: But right now the message is if you can get vaccinated,

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Speaker 4: please do so. There's appointments available pretty good in the alis.

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Speaker 6: Look not in remote areas. There's a lot of concern

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Speaker 6: from Central Australia about this idea being floated at national

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Speaker 6: cabinet level to open up the country basically at eighty

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Speaker 6: percent vaccination at that point. I don't think that that's

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Speaker 6: going to work for Central Australia when you've got such

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Speaker 6: vulnerable groups of Aboriginal people that aren't vaccinated. I knows,

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Speaker 6: as Natasha just said. Some communities have got on board

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Speaker 6: and I have got a high vaccination rate, but there's

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Speaker 6: still a long long way to go.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's why, you know, you can put a

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Speaker 2: figure on it, or we can all just get on

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Speaker 2: we getting vaccinated. And you know that's why we were

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Speaker 2: calling really hard on government to really look at that

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Speaker 2: vaccine portal, you know, because a lot of people were

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Speaker 2: going on and weren't able to understand that there were

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Speaker 2: GPS and other clinics offering the job. So I think

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Speaker 2: Natasha for I think that got implemented yesterday. I understand

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Speaker 2: that the cover portal has now been updated so that

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Speaker 2: people can get much clearer information about where they can

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Speaker 2: get vaccinated. Of course, vaccinating remote communities has been slow. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of misinformation going on in some communities,

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Speaker 2: and so it's important that the government and the original

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Speaker 2: controlled health organizations are getting in there and ensuring that

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Speaker 2: communities have confidence. We know there is some reluctance in

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Speaker 2: some communities, and so extra work needs to be done

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Speaker 2: to make sure that people understand it's safe, it's in

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Speaker 2: everyone's best interest, and we can pump those vaccine numbers

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Speaker 2: up and get everyone done.

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Speaker 7: And I think it's worth pointing out that the vaccine

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Speaker 7: hesn't is not something that's unique to Aboriginal people, because

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Speaker 7: we're seeing it within certain groups within Darwen and I'm

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Speaker 7: sure Alice springs as well around the country. What I'm

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Speaker 7: curious about now is whether from what you guys are saying,

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Speaker 7: whether we could head to a position where the rest

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Speaker 7: of the country opens up.

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Speaker 5: But because of our uniqu sit in the Northern Territory.

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Speaker 5: We still have lockdowns. Well, I mean we still have

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Speaker 5: border closures.

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Speaker 6: I'm saying it's a good thing, but I think that's

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Speaker 6: a reality.

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Speaker 2: All we might just get our skates on and you know,

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Speaker 2: we've got we never got more vaccines coming in. Of course,

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Speaker 2: there was a whole arjibardjie with Pfizer and AstraZeneca. As

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Speaker 2: more Pizer comes in, obviously our deployability of vaccine increases.

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Speaker 2: So we do have a small population. I think there

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Speaker 2: is an opportunity for us to really push full steam

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Speaker 2: ahead and just get it done.

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Speaker 4: I think the message is if you are in the

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Speaker 4: Northern Territory, there is vaccine available. We're opening will open

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Speaker 4: a new vaccine Hubbert Palmerston. But just head to the

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Speaker 4: COVID nineteen TG just literally google that with vaccine. You'll

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Speaker 4: come up to the online booking portal.

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Speaker 2: You can choose your.

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Speaker 3: Date and time.

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Speaker 4: It can be flexible. When you go to your first appointment,

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Speaker 4: they'll book your second appointments. You don't have to worry

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Speaker 4: about booking two appointments. And we have we're working on

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Speaker 4: the workforce to support that and in terms of remotes,

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Speaker 4: we're working really closely with both our Aboriginal communities, a

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Speaker 4: Land Council and the Aboriginal medical organizations. There's some communities, Katie,

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Speaker 4: where we have to celebrate their achievements. They've done better

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Speaker 4: than urban areas. There's other communities where we need to

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Speaker 4: work with them for them to understand the importance of

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Speaker 4: the vaccine.

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Speaker 3: We are going to have to wrap up.

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Speaker 1: That has been the week that was brought to you

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Speaker 1: by Desilver, Hebron Lawyers, Leafanocchiaro.

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Speaker 3: The opposition leader. Thank you so much for your time

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Speaker 3: this morning. Thank you.

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Speaker 2: I just want to do a shout out to Adha

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Speaker 2: and everyone down and Alice Springs. I hope you're not freezing.

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Speaker 2: We love being able to talk to you now, so

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Speaker 2: great job aging and the team down there.

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Speaker 3: Matt Cunningham from Sky News, thank you for your time today.

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Speaker 5: Thanks Katie.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Robin Lambley, thank you Katie, and thank you

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Speaker 3: Natasha Files. Thanks Wilfee. You are listening to Mix one

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Speaker 3: O four point nine three sixty