1
00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:03,800
Speaker 1: This is a Will and Woody podcast, Mini Woods. I

2
00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:05,640
Speaker 1: know one of the things we are most looking forward

3
00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:08,200
Speaker 1: to as we have every year as SAS Australia. It's

4
00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:11,119
Speaker 1: gonna be kicking off again Channel seven. And really the

5
00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:15,520
Speaker 1: star of SAS every year is Ed Middleton, who runs

6
00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:18,079
Speaker 1: the show. There one of the most terrifying blokes you're

7
00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:21,880
Speaker 1: on the planet, so much so that he requested to

8
00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:25,239
Speaker 1: come in studio and what are you politely declined the

9
00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:26,600
Speaker 1: offer because you don't want to be in the same

10
00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:27,760
Speaker 1: room as him. He could kill me.

11
00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:28,920
Speaker 2: The man could kill me.

12
00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:34,120
Speaker 3: Middleton Okay, listen up Recruits on next Daste is the

13
00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:38,599
Speaker 3: chief instructor on Channel seven's hit series SAS Australia.

14
00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:39,360
Speaker 1: If you don't know.

15
00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:42,280
Speaker 2: Who I'm talking about, that's the guy.

16
00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:43,240
Speaker 1: That guy.

17
00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:46,080
Speaker 3: He flew in from the UK just two days ago

18
00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:48,200
Speaker 3: and he's here to whip Will and Woody.

19
00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:51,040
Speaker 2: Into shape, here to talk about his new national talk

20
00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:52,280
Speaker 2: mind Over Muscle.

21
00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:54,639
Speaker 1: Welcome to the show. It's Anne Middleton.

22
00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:59,480
Speaker 3: Yes, Ed, listen, what an intro? What an intro?

23
00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:01,720
Speaker 1: Thanks very much, pleasure mate. Now let's get down to

24
00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:03,920
Speaker 1: brass takes here. Could you actually kill Woody if you

25
00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:04,200
Speaker 1: had to?

26
00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:07,280
Speaker 3: Yes? Within a couple of seconds. Wow.

27
00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:10,080
Speaker 2: Wow, I don't know if it's breaking codes, but how

28
00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:10,880
Speaker 2: would you go about it?

29
00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:17,200
Speaker 3: And I'm literally right outside he's got he's got this.

30
00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:20,800
Speaker 2: You were a sniper. You were a sniper, weren't you.

31
00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:22,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's right.

32
00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:24,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, So you really could just nestle yourself on a

33
00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:26,520
Speaker 2: neighboring roof and get me in the outdoor shower.

34
00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:29,559
Speaker 3: Any more thing you want, I'd like to get close

35
00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:32,959
Speaker 3: up and personal. I want to see you. Why I

36
00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:34,560
Speaker 3: want to see you. I want to see the life

37
00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:37,759
Speaker 3: strain out of you. You just don't know.

38
00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:39,800
Speaker 1: You just want to be in the You just want

39
00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:41,120
Speaker 1: to be in the outdoor shower with him.

40
00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:43,360
Speaker 3: That's the goal here.

41
00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:49,440
Speaker 1: And mate, you've obviously been one on one with some

42
00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:52,320
Speaker 1: of the biggest slebs in Australia. Before we get into it,

43
00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:54,600
Speaker 1: because it's going to be touring. He's doing Mind of

44
00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:56,600
Speaker 1: a Muscle to it kicks off tomorrow, is doing the

45
00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:58,360
Speaker 1: whole country, which I really want to talk about. But

46
00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:01,800
Speaker 1: before we get into that, just honestly, who who like

47
00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:04,720
Speaker 1: and let's let's be candid here, who's the softest that

48
00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:05,520
Speaker 1: you've dealt with.

49
00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:14,360
Speaker 3: The softest? It probably has to be roxy. I think,

50
00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:19,919
Speaker 3: not that I don't spend much time with her, and

51
00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:21,840
Speaker 3: this is you know, I'm not not bad man, don't

52
00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:25,200
Speaker 3: know or anything. But she didn't last too long and

53
00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:29,040
Speaker 3: you know it was definitely.

54
00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:31,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, what about what about Manu?

55
00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:34,560
Speaker 3: Didn't that? Yeah? Do you know what he tops it

56
00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:41,280
Speaker 3: as well? You know the Frenchman tops it as well.

57
00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:43,840
Speaker 1: He tapped out early, didn't he.

58
00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:47,160
Speaker 3: He got a little white flag out, didn't he.

59
00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:50,480
Speaker 1: And on the other end of the scale, like in

60
00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:53,400
Speaker 1: terms of most persons you're most impressed by, because well

61
00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:56,760
Speaker 1: you've done three seasons now, who kind of like blew

62
00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:59,200
Speaker 1: you away in terms of like wow, were they could

63
00:02:59,200 --> 00:02:59,960
Speaker 1: have you really made?

64
00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:03,040
Speaker 3: You know you did? And who didn't unfortunately make it?

65
00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:07,400
Speaker 3: But Erin? Do you remember Erin from the listening to

66
00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:08,560
Speaker 3: sound bag above her head?

67
00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:14,239
Speaker 1: Was it Aaron Phillips, Aaron Holland.

68
00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:23,880
Speaker 3: Example, Yes, no, not Eron Holland ignored? Yes, yes, yes,

69
00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:28,680
Speaker 3: so yeah, she was resilient, tough, and you know she

70
00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:30,600
Speaker 3: didn't make it to the end, but she almost made

71
00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:33,800
Speaker 3: it to the end. But yeah, she really really impressed me.

72
00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:37,720
Speaker 1: And she's a model, she's exactly that's.

73
00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:39,720
Speaker 3: What that's what sort of you know knocked me off

74
00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:41,640
Speaker 3: balanced a bit as well, because I thought to myself,

75
00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:44,200
Speaker 3: but I should be gone after a couple of days.

76
00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:47,600
Speaker 3: She was one tough cookie. So yes, she really really

77
00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:48,040
Speaker 3: impressed me.

78
00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:49,880
Speaker 2: It's actually one of the best parts of the show,

79
00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:51,440
Speaker 2: isn't it. You never know who's going to be tough?

80
00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:54,400
Speaker 2: Like who was picking Merrik? What's to be tough? Look

81
00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:55,120
Speaker 2: softer is better?

82
00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:59,360
Speaker 3: But yes, exactly. I love doing the show because people

83
00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:01,960
Speaker 3: we don't you know, we don't know nothing about the celebrities,

84
00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:05,560
Speaker 3: and obviously because we're not from here, it's another advantage

85
00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:07,520
Speaker 3: because we don't you know, there's no players favorite to them,

86
00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:10,480
Speaker 3: there's no nothing that we really know about them until

87
00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:12,840
Speaker 3: until we meet them. And then with Merrick, it was

88
00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:14,320
Speaker 3: one of those where when he told me he was

89
00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:17,000
Speaker 3: a comedian, it literally literally spacked my coffee out.

90
00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:21,920
Speaker 1: Did you remember that? You couldn't remember it? You were

91
00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:23,360
Speaker 1: like you make people.

92
00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:31,560
Speaker 3: Laugh for a living, like you are so boring? You know.

93
00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:36,160
Speaker 3: He showed that he had he had the discipline and

94
00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:38,800
Speaker 3: knowledge to pass the course the way.

95
00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:41,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I want to talk about you right up.

96
00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:42,719
Speaker 1: Next day, we's going to go to a song at

97
00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:46,520
Speaker 1: ant Middleton. Obviously from Sas Australia. He's got a mind

98
00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:48,920
Speaker 1: of a muscle to. He is talking all over the country,

99
00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:50,880
Speaker 1: kicking off tomorrow. You can see him in Sydney. The

100
00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:53,679
Speaker 1: Star of ncand is Saturday Jan twenty ninth, that's tomorrow,

101
00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:56,320
Speaker 1: four o'clock and seven thirty is doing two times in

102
00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:59,080
Speaker 1: Sydney tomorrow and honestly, what seems like one of the

103
00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:01,520
Speaker 1: most inspiring tour that I think everybody could probably do

104
00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:03,400
Speaker 1: with the DOSOP. So we'll talk about that right up next,

105
00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:06,360
Speaker 1: we've got the one and only Aunt Middleton from Sas

106
00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:10,159
Speaker 1: Australia who joins us and is touring all over the country,

107
00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:12,880
Speaker 1: kicking it off in Sydney tomorrow with his mind over

108
00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:15,720
Speaker 1: muscle to. And I think I said, you know, you're

109
00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:19,240
Speaker 1: from Sas Australia, but obviously before that you join the

110
00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:23,080
Speaker 1: Armed Forces when you are sixteen, you're in Special Forces,

111
00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:27,360
Speaker 1: which is obviously the UK's elite force. A sniper as

112
00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:30,240
Speaker 1: part of all of that. So you have some phenomenal stories.

113
00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:33,040
Speaker 1: And that's what mind of a Muscle's really all about.

114
00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:36,600
Speaker 1: It's about you talking about resilience and how you can

115
00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:41,200
Speaker 1: overcome situations where you need to reach deep. I wanted

116
00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:45,240
Speaker 1: to ask you within that, what's the toughest situation that

117
00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:49,040
Speaker 1: life has thrown at you? Do you think and how

118
00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:50,160
Speaker 1: did you work your way through it?

119
00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:53,520
Speaker 3: I think it's lost, you know, I think everyone can

120
00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:56,600
Speaker 3: relate to losing a loved one, losing family member, losing

121
00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,520
Speaker 3: a friend. It's a toss gig. It's a top pill

122
00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,080
Speaker 3: to swallow, and it depends on you know, how close

123
00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:04,320
Speaker 3: you are to that person or they loved one. You

124
00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:07,040
Speaker 3: know how tough that fill is to swallow. But it's

125
00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:11,320
Speaker 3: definitely the toughest situations I've been in is bearing friends

126
00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:15,120
Speaker 3: and having to you know, look at their children, and

127
00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:18,320
Speaker 3: you know it's it's just a tough, tough gig to do.

128
00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:21,080
Speaker 3: So I look at you know, I've dealt with loss

129
00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:22,680
Speaker 3: so so much in my life that I sort of

130
00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:25,120
Speaker 3: look at it as a void. It's avoid in your life,

131
00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:27,680
Speaker 3: and you know, you have to fill that void with positivity.

132
00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:29,800
Speaker 3: You have to, you know, you have to try and

133
00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:34,320
Speaker 3: fill that void with with with with something that you

134
00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:37,520
Speaker 3: can remember that person from, you know, with positivity, with

135
00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:39,920
Speaker 3: a legacy, because the moment, you don't deal with that

136
00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:41,840
Speaker 3: void and it remains a black hole in your life.

137
00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:45,600
Speaker 3: So it's definitely tough, a tough one to deal with.

138
00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:48,280
Speaker 3: So yeah, lost is and everyone can relate to that.

139
00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:51,400
Speaker 2: It sucks, right, Yeah, And I hope you're okay with

140
00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:53,599
Speaker 2: me bringing this out, but I know you lost a

141
00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:58,600
Speaker 2: friend recently. Yeah, and you're right on your social media

142
00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:02,640
Speaker 2: and you don't have to necessarily get into personally who

143
00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:05,120
Speaker 2: he was, your connection to him. But I found it.

144
00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:10,239
Speaker 3: Really interesting there was my first cousin. So yeah, really.

145
00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:11,920
Speaker 2: Really sorry to hear that ant. But I know in

146
00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:16,040
Speaker 2: your post you're sort of touched on toxic masculinity, and

147
00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:18,960
Speaker 2: I know women can struggle with this as well, but

148
00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:21,160
Speaker 2: it's more men thinking that they need to act and

149
00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:24,200
Speaker 2: be a certain way and then really struggling when they're

150
00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:26,400
Speaker 2: when they're not the thing that they need to be.

151
00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:30,400
Speaker 2: Can you speak to just toxic masculinity in our society

152
00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:32,320
Speaker 2: a bit because I think someone like you talking about

153
00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:34,480
Speaker 2: it's really important, just because I mean to me, when

154
00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:36,400
Speaker 2: I look at you and look at your career and

155
00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:38,840
Speaker 2: your life, I see you as you know, someone who

156
00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:41,160
Speaker 2: is the perfect man. But I know even you would

157
00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:43,080
Speaker 2: have things that you know don't fit that.

158
00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:47,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you know with men nowadays, it's you know,

159
00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:50,640
Speaker 3: we live in a safe environment. You know, everything's suppressed.

160
00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:52,720
Speaker 3: You know, you're not allowed to show any anger. You're

161
00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:55,800
Speaker 3: not allowed to show you know that that sort of

162
00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:57,800
Speaker 3: side to you, and therefore you suppress it and you

163
00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:01,080
Speaker 3: have to live with those demons and and keep it contained.

164
00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:03,880
Speaker 3: And then you know, people express themselves in different ways.

165
00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:07,040
Speaker 3: And that's what happened with my cousin. You know, he

166
00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:09,680
Speaker 3: was just so suppressed. He felt like he had nowhere

167
00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:12,760
Speaker 3: to go and took his own life. And I just

168
00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:15,040
Speaker 3: keep hearing about it. You know, I think over the

169
00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:18,240
Speaker 3: last two years, nine nine of my friends and Wow,

170
00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:23,160
Speaker 3: a couple of military X veterans, and it just got

171
00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:24,600
Speaker 3: to a point where I thought, you know, I've got

172
00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:26,080
Speaker 3: to put something out. Then I put a little bit

173
00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:29,160
Speaker 3: my cousin as well. It really helped my family because

174
00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:33,520
Speaker 3: you know, they could sort of, you know, understand from

175
00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:36,080
Speaker 3: from a male point of view, and it's more more

176
00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:38,920
Speaker 3: the alpha male point of view. You know, it's like

177
00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:44,240
Speaker 3: there's good men out there that being suppressed emotionally, psychologically,

178
00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:47,320
Speaker 3: and they've got nowhere to turn, and it just shows

179
00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:49,360
Speaker 3: what they're capable of when they decide that they want

180
00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:51,559
Speaker 3: to take their own life. You're like, wow, com you

181
00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:55,079
Speaker 3: know what's going through your head? And yeah, it's it's

182
00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:57,559
Speaker 3: a sad state of affairs and it's not it's not

183
00:08:57,720 --> 00:08:58,720
Speaker 3: going anywhere at the moment.

184
00:08:59,000 --> 00:08:59,880
Speaker 1: I keep hearing about it.

185
00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:05,439
Speaker 3: You know, all people want to do is just be themselves,

186
00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:09,840
Speaker 3: be accepted and included, and society is going through this inclusion,

187
00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:11,920
Speaker 3: which which is great, but I think, you know, at

188
00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:14,520
Speaker 3: the expense of some good, good men out there.

189
00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:16,480
Speaker 1: It's funny on the alpha male side of things. I

190
00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:21,280
Speaker 1: was listening to your podcast recently about personality types and

191
00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:25,800
Speaker 1: the fact that you know, traditionally I think alpha alpha

192
00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:32,760
Speaker 1: males and with good recent over over history are awful

193
00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:35,720
Speaker 1: people traditionally because they get into power, it corrupts them,

194
00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:38,800
Speaker 1: et cetera. But somebody can still be an alpha male

195
00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:42,600
Speaker 1: and be an informed person. And being a dominant personality

196
00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:45,360
Speaker 1: type is just a personality type, Like people are born

197
00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:47,680
Speaker 1: that way. That's that's who they are, that's who they're

198
00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:50,800
Speaker 1: going to be, and so exactly that.

199
00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:53,600
Speaker 3: And an alpha male, I thought, see an alpha male

200
00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:56,280
Speaker 3: not as the powerful you know, trying to you know,

201
00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:59,839
Speaker 3: take over. No, it's the man that you know, like

202
00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:00,400
Speaker 3: to get.

203
00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:02,439
Speaker 1: Your hand out to talk.

204
00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:06,319
Speaker 3: Exactly accountable for themselves. You know, they're honest with themselves

205
00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:10,079
Speaker 3: that you know, it's they're confident, and you know it

206
00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:13,160
Speaker 3: can almost be seen as as as a threat. I think,

207
00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:15,280
Speaker 3: you know, if you just get threatened by it, intimidated

208
00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:20,439
Speaker 3: by it, we'll ultimately you know, it's it's just people expressing.

209
00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:22,560
Speaker 1: Themselves and that's the tension because all of a sudden

210
00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:25,600
Speaker 1: that that's who they are, and if they're not that person,

211
00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:30,640
Speaker 1: then they feel unfulfilled, of course, and then else right exactly,

212
00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:32,240
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, and this is what

213
00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:36,200
Speaker 1: you write on your social media posts, you said, I

214
00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:39,480
Speaker 1: actually just don't know what you want me to be anymore.

215
00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:42,560
Speaker 1: I can't be myself. You're asking me to be something else.

216
00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:46,400
Speaker 1: And then, particularly for men, if they can't express that

217
00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:48,560
Speaker 1: and they feel like they can't be themselves.

218
00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:50,319
Speaker 3: They what do you want from me? Yeah? You know,

219
00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:53,840
Speaker 3: how should I act? How should I speak? Yeah?

220
00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:56,680
Speaker 1: And they seek ultimate measures. I did it when we

221
00:10:56,720 --> 00:11:00,240
Speaker 1: expoke it. We spoke a little bit about so side.

222
00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:01,719
Speaker 1: We had an app blast year that wood you know,

223
00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:03,440
Speaker 1: really is called share my Mood, which was which was

224
00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:05,520
Speaker 1: really really born from from this sort of stuff and

225
00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:08,080
Speaker 1: talking about the fact that, you know, men continue to

226
00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:10,120
Speaker 1: you know, seek alternate measures. And there was one of

227
00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:13,040
Speaker 1: the most alarming statistics in there was that like something

228
00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:16,120
Speaker 1: like sixty percent of men who were considering suicide in

229
00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:19,360
Speaker 1: the UK didn't even consider themselves depressed. Like that was

230
00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:21,439
Speaker 1: just that was just like, I've just got this issue.

231
00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:23,920
Speaker 1: I just need to get rid of it. I just

232
00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:25,160
Speaker 1: don't know how to go about it.

233
00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:29,720
Speaker 3: That's a really it's other people's voices in their heads.

234
00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:32,160
Speaker 3: You know, you can't do this, you shouldn't act like that,

235
00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:35,400
Speaker 3: and it turns into their demons demon you know, and

236
00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:38,440
Speaker 3: that's what they did. Almost my cousin sort of explained

237
00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:41,480
Speaker 3: it as is torture, you know, it's like torturing, you know,

238
00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:45,760
Speaker 3: and it's yeah, unfortunately he took that draftic measure of

239
00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:49,760
Speaker 3: of doing what he's done, and it's just refer and

240
00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:51,400
Speaker 3: someone someone needs to be done about it, and we

241
00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:53,480
Speaker 3: need to I think that the more needs to be done.

242
00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:56,040
Speaker 3: But again, it's like it's suicide in general. It's not

243
00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:58,520
Speaker 3: just with with men, it's with women. It's just this

244
00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:01,200
Speaker 3: inclusivity of being this is who you are. Yes, there's

245
00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:03,880
Speaker 3: rules and regulations and yeah, you know, we have to

246
00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:07,040
Speaker 3: you know, stick within those boundaries, of course, but allow

247
00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:08,239
Speaker 3: someone to be themselves.

248
00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:10,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I know we have to wrap things up

249
00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:13,120
Speaker 2: because you know your your time is obviously very precious.

250
00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:15,560
Speaker 2: Can I just ask you, out of your background in

251
00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:18,840
Speaker 2: the Armed forces, how did you get out of the cycle?

252
00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:21,320
Speaker 2: Because I'm sure during the Armed Forces that's exactly what

253
00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:23,839
Speaker 2: you have to do to achieve what you need to do.

254
00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:26,600
Speaker 2: You need to ye, you need to be hot, to

255
00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:29,120
Speaker 2: give a shit about your emotions. You're in a war

256
00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:31,320
Speaker 2: on it. How did you know a lot of people

257
00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:33,200
Speaker 2: in the arm forces really struggle to break out of

258
00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:35,640
Speaker 2: that cycle. How did how did you manage.

259
00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:37,360
Speaker 3: To do it? You just have to you have to

260
00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:40,920
Speaker 3: acknowledge that there are two separate worlds. Now, in the military,

261
00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:44,120
Speaker 3: we deal with if someone's aggressive to me on the battlefield,

262
00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:46,280
Speaker 3: in order to counter that, I have to be more aggressive.

263
00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:49,840
Speaker 3: So I counter aggression with extreme aggression is our violence

264
00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:53,640
Speaker 3: in the military. If someone's counter that with extreme violence,

265
00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:58,199
Speaker 3: and that's completely not accepted in society. Zero tolerance to violence.

266
00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:00,120
Speaker 3: You know, if you're aggressive in any type of way,

267
00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:03,000
Speaker 3: you know you've got a anger management issues, et cetera,

268
00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:06,320
Speaker 3: et cetera. So you just have to understand and the

269
00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:09,600
Speaker 3: two separate worlds. And actually there's no there's no need

270
00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:11,839
Speaker 3: for me to be violent anymore. I don't need to

271
00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:13,880
Speaker 3: use that part of me, so I've sort of cut

272
00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,760
Speaker 3: that off. Anger you aggression. I'd like to use aggression.

273
00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:19,320
Speaker 3: I think it's a powerful tool. If used correctly, it

274
00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:21,000
Speaker 3: gets you to your goals, it gets you to your

275
00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:23,079
Speaker 3: your accomplishments, and it will get you to the next

276
00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:25,200
Speaker 3: level of life that you want to get at. But

277
00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:27,559
Speaker 3: I don't need to go into that code read aggression anymore.

278
00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:29,680
Speaker 3: I just have to suppress it. And it's about understanding

279
00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:32,360
Speaker 3: yourself and really, you know, taking that time to self

280
00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:36,319
Speaker 3: reflect and understand the environment that you're into, what emotions

281
00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:36,920
Speaker 3: that you use.

282
00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:40,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, well said Jeez. Takes a whole bunch of control,

283
00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:43,760
Speaker 1: a whole lot of a whole bunch of mind over Muscle,

284
00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:46,480
Speaker 1: I would say, which is what answer tour is called.

285
00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:48,079
Speaker 1: If you want to go and see Aunt Middleton, he's

286
00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:50,959
Speaker 1: in Sydney, Candra, Perth, Brisbane, Adelaide and Melbourne, kicking off

287
00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:54,640
Speaker 1: tomorrow in Sydney. Mind Over Muscle. Get your tickets and

288
00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:56,319
Speaker 1: thanks so much for joining us, mate. Pleasure to have

289
00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:56,840
Speaker 1: you on the show.

290
00:13:57,600 --> 00:13:58,280
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me.

291
00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:00,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm really again really already hear about your

292
00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:03,400
Speaker 1: cousin mate. For everyone else, Lifeline is numbers thirteen, eleven fourteen.

293
00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:05,240
Speaker 1: If you need to speak to anyone, you can call

294
00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:07,240
Speaker 1: Lifeline at any stage that doesn't need to be you

295
00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:10,480
Speaker 1: at all. Thanks so much for joining us and sharing matte.

296
00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:11,120
Speaker 1: It's been a pleasure.

297
00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:12,720
Speaker 3: Nice. Thank you guys.

298
00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:15,760
Speaker 2: Now you're done with that, why not check out more

299
00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:18,559
Speaker 2: from Willen Woody on The Full Show podcast.