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Speaker 1: It's the Happy Families Podcast. It's the podcast for the

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Speaker 1: time poor parent who just wants answers.

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Speaker 2: Now we have to make time for each other and

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Speaker 2: do things that bring you Droy.

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Speaker 1: And now here's the stars of our show, my mum

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Speaker 3: I'll do a bit it tomorrow. Is what we call

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Speaker 3: our Friday podcast. I love this segment because we get

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Speaker 3: to talk about the learnings that we've had over the

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Speaker 3: past week as we've practiced our parenting. I should mention

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Speaker 3: I'm Justin Coulson. I'm the author of a whole bunch

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Speaker 3: of books about making families happy. And I'm here with Kylie,

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Speaker 3: my wife, mum to our six kids. Kylie. What I

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Speaker 3: love about Fridays is that we get to talk about

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Speaker 3: our little Winds Wednesday Winner and I just love saying it.

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Speaker 3: It's fun. It just rolls off the tongue. Our little

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Speaker 3: Winds Wednesday Winner is basically somebody who jumps onto our

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Speaker 3: Facebook page on a Wednesday when we say, hey, tell

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Speaker 3: us about your little ones and your little wins with

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Speaker 3: your little ones. And this week we've had a winner

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Speaker 3: The winner gets a poster pack of our a five

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Speaker 3: posters of all of the justinisms, all the stuff that

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Speaker 3: I say to help you to be a better parent.

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Speaker 3: We've got a bunch of posters and we're giving the

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Speaker 3: win this week to Jade Church who told us this

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Speaker 2: We've been making a real effort to get curious not

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Speaker 4: That is a massive win for us.

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Speaker 3: Isn't that beautiful? It's gorgeous, Sode. Good on you for

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Speaker 3: getting curious not furious. That's what we're talking about with

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Speaker 2: That reminds me of an experience we had with one

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Speaker 2: And I couldn't understand why she wanted a new school

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Speaker 3: And the fact that you were able to be curious,

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Speaker 2: Well, look, we often talk about the things that we

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Speaker 2: You have to make time for each other and do

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Speaker 3: I'm kind of unusual here, but I've always insisted that

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Speaker 2: We don't want very many movies and if we do,

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Speaker 2: It's the Happy Families Podcast, the podcast for the time

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Speaker 2: poor parent who just wants answers now. And today we

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Speaker 3: I'm going to share a challenge that I've had this week,

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Speaker 3: Hard done by. Did you feel hard done by while

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Speaker 2: I don't ever try, and I accept in those moments

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Speaker 3: because I haven't got anything planks. I've been so busy,

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Speaker 3: reminded me of how important that is. We hope that

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Speaker 3: that was a useful conversation for you. The Happy Families

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Speaker 3: excited for some of the conversations that we're going to

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Speaker 3: time affluence. How can we create a sense of time affluence,

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Speaker 3: going to work hard on having more time, only for

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Speaker 3: We need to dive a little bit deeper there, So

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Speaker 3: we'll do that next week on the Happy Families podcast.

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