1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:03,040 Speaker 1: Job Mission with Jones and Amanda. 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:06,280 Speaker 2: Our next guest is one of the country's most respected journalists, 3 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:09,960 Speaker 2: and she's also a top chick. As anyone who's heard 4 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 2: a podcast with Annabel Krab will know the podcast. It's 5 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:18,280 Speaker 2: about books, it's about cooking, it's about TV, it's about 6 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 2: popular culture, it's about friendship. It is now a book 7 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:24,600 Speaker 2: called Well Hello, and we have Lee sales with us. 8 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 2: Well Hello Lee, Well hello to you? 9 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 3: What about you? 10 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 2: What about you? Did much much news happen on the weekend? 11 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: Lie? Just a little bit? 12 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 3: You know. 13 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 1: It's funny when you announced me as one of Australia's 14 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:38,520 Speaker 1: most respected journalists. I actually always think of the time 15 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: when Crab and I did a show for our podcast 16 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: where I dressed up as Freddie Mercury onstage from the 17 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 1: from the I w a break free clip. I had 18 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: the suspenders and the mustache and the wig, and I 19 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: had a vacuum cleaner and yeah, it was it was quality. 20 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 2: I think there's a photo of that in the book 21 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 2: I've been flicking through here there is. 22 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 3: This is a serious book. It's actually got one of 23 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 3: those book marking ribbony things in it. 24 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 1: I know, hardcore, absolutely hardcore you'd be a sort of 25 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: flipped the pages down man, wouldn't you know? Jamee, Well, we. 26 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 3: Only just received the book that because of Australia posts, 27 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 3: it's in trouble. So I just got the book. 28 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 2: Now it's seven point thirty. 29 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 3: The book notices the book marky ribbony thing. And I've 30 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 3: noticed that you and Annabel you're animated, but both of 31 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 3: you don't have noses. 32 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: I'm going to have to get the it's going to 33 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 1: have to be recalled now, I think. 34 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 2: But this is one of the lovely things about you 35 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 2: and Annabel. Respected journalists, but you've never shied away from 36 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 2: being hilarious, opinionated, fun women. And so how have you 37 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 2: made the podcast into the book? How have you how 38 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 2: have you translated that? 39 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: Well, we sort of shut around with a couple of 40 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: our friends and we talked about, Okay, what are the 41 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: kind of things you guys would like to hear us 42 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 1: bang on about, and so we came up with a 43 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: list of topics like friendship and how do you say no? 44 00:01:57,360 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: And how do you have a good conversation? And then 45 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: we basically sat down and recorded about conversations, edited the transcripts, 46 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 1: and then we wrote a few bits and pieces and 47 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 1: swats and illustrations him as Jones. He said, got that 48 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 1: classy green ribbon, And bang. 49 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 3: I noticed in the book You've got a book a 50 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 3: thing about conversation. What makes a good conversation? So what 51 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 3: are your key points for a good conversation? 52 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 1: Well, I think the main thing is listening and responding 53 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 1: to what the other person is actually saying, because I 54 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 1: think in life, and I'm sure you guys have seen this, 55 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: there's a hell of a lot of times where you're 56 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 1: talking to somebody and they're not actually listening. They're just 57 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 1: looking for the next moment where they can interject what 58 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 1: they think is funny, or you know, talk about themselves 59 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: or whatever. So I think part of it is listening. 60 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: And I mean one of the things I enjoy about 61 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:48,080 Speaker 1: Crabs company then, And you know, also yours, Amanda, is 62 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: just a bit of gentle wit, you know, like who 63 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 1: doesn't like having a conversation with somebody who's a little 64 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: bit fishy, So, you know, not taking yourself too seriously. 65 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 1: I think it's pretty key as well. 66 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 3: I didn't get a mention in this half, in this 67 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:04,519 Speaker 3: triumphant conversation. 68 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 2: How did you? How did you? And Annabelle meet, How 69 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 2: did you become this chemistry? How did you find that 70 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 2: about each other? 71 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 1: Well, she actually just cold called me. Must have been 72 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 1: about two thousand and eight or nine, when she was 73 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: thinking of coming to work at the ABC, and she said, 74 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: we know some people in common, and I just wanted 75 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 1: to talk to you about working at the ABC. And 76 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: I said to her, well, why don't you come over 77 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 1: from morning tea one day? And she came over and 78 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 1: she didn't leave until four thirty, like it was one 79 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: of those. In fact, I was looking at the clock 80 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: at one point thinking does this woman not have anything 81 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 1: else to do? I'm trying to give it a wind 82 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: up and sort of shove her out the door. And 83 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: then I've subsequently learned, as I've gotten to know her, 84 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 1: that she just loses all track of time and she 85 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 1: has absolutely no idea. You can't drop gentle hints with 86 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: annabel Crab. You actually have to forcibly shove out the door. 87 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: So I've since learned that. But that was how it 88 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 1: all started. 89 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 2: Brilliant, and I love that the Friendship is now a 90 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:01,119 Speaker 2: book and it's become a cult of its there's merchandise, 91 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 2: there's tours. I mean you guys are like a rock band. 92 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: Well, I've got to cash you're not, frankly, and then 93 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: because you know, she's quite an annoying person someone can't 94 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: make some money off. I mean, what is the point 95 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 1: of it. 96 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 3: Really, That's exactly how mine and Amanda's relationship. 97 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 2: But anyway, it is quite similar. It's equal parts love 98 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:23,720 Speaker 2: and slagging off. That's pretty much exactly. 99 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 1: It's sort of like a family member really where you 100 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 1: love them but you also love the opportunity to merthlessly 101 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 1: take the piss out of them. That's pretty much our 102 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: Crab and I, you know, approach each other. 103 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:35,480 Speaker 3: Well, this is a great book. And when I get 104 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 3: reround when i'm reading it, I'm not going to read it, 105 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 3: you know, during the show. That would be unprofessional. But 106 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 3: it's a great book because I know it's got an 107 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 3: internal bookmark when you put a ribbon in one of 108 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 3: those books. The Bible's got one of those. Okay, I'm 109 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 3: saying I'm not being sacrilegious, but like, really, this is 110 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 3: great and if you can work on putting noses on 111 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 3: you and Annabelle, that would be great. 112 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 1: That's why a lot of the styling of it on 113 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: the Bible. 114 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 3: Like you left out the I'm going straight to revelations. 115 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:06,919 Speaker 3: Well hello, it's available now Lease sales. Thank you for 116 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 3: joining us. 117 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: Oh thanks for having me guys. 118 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 2: Thanks Lee, You take care of 119 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 1: Jonesy and Amanda's nation.