1 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 1: Coming up on today's show, Mitch Third urges women to 2 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: step into their feminine energy. Sophie Guidolin TEASER's mystery man 3 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: as she opens up about her health struggles and the 4 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 1: inspired Unemployed's feminist prank. Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's 5 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:24,759 Speaker 1: your dose of the hottest influencer and pop culture news 6 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: twice a week. I'm Kate Tama, and we had to 7 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: pause recording Amy because you've got a very important email. Yes, 8 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:34,599 Speaker 1: my wedding photos just arrived in my inbox. I got 9 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:36,919 Speaker 1: a text message from my photographer saying, oh, what did 10 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: you think of the photos? 11 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:38,159 Speaker 2: I'm like, I. 12 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: Haven't seen them. They must have got to jump. I 13 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: just love how I can see them on your screen 14 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:44,160 Speaker 1: at the moment, we promise that we will actually turn 15 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:47,199 Speaker 1: that off so that this episode isn't all over the 16 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: place and we're just looking at photos. I feel like 17 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 1: it's a bit of a flex. But your photographer actually 18 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 1: also took photos at Kayla Itsinas's wedding. That shows just 19 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: how small Adelaide is. And further too that we did 20 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: a deep dive on Bardo a couple of months ago, 21 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 1: and my mind was absolutely blown when we found out 22 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 1: This photographer is actually the niece of Sally Polaranus. Yeah. 23 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 1: I didn't know all of this before booking her. I 24 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:11,679 Speaker 1: just saw some of her work and I was like, 25 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: I need to have this photographer. Her name is by 26 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: Christina if anyone's interested. It just shows how small Adelaide 27 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 1: is now, Sophy, it's officially the end of wedding season 28 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:23,479 Speaker 1: because you had your sister in law's wedding over the weekend. Subsequently, 29 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: now ill in bed. Yeah, as you can probably tell 30 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: from my voice, I don't know if I've come down 31 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: with the VID. 32 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 2: I actually haven't done a. 33 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: COVID test yet, but all symptoms are pointing to yes. 34 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: But I am wanting to do the podcast today. I'm 35 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 1: very excited to actually be doing something. And I think 36 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: that this croaky voice is testament to the fact that 37 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: we have had a massive start to the year with 38 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: three weddings, so many family events. It was such a 39 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: beautiful wedding on the weekend, there were two hundred people. 40 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: It's also gather around in Adelaide. Well, it was gathered 41 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 1: around in Adelaide, so I. 42 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 2: Think there will be a bit of sickness going around. 43 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: Now. I have some good news for the listeners. I 44 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: do not have gestational diabetes, so I where you're going 45 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: with that. I was so worried because I mentioned last 46 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:10,359 Speaker 1: week that I had the glucose test the day after 47 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 1: the Easter long weekend, and I was like, what is 48 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: my luck? But it all came back clear, so I 49 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: can continue feasting on the massive amount of Easter exit. 50 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 3: I have good morning, guys. That's an amazing quote I 51 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 3: read about four years ago that inspired me to go 52 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 3: all in on my business to help me sell millions 53 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 3: of dollars worth of my product and eventually exit for 54 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 3: a healthy amount. 55 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 1: Entrepreneur and former boyfriend of Instagram Mitch Third has received 56 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: backlash after urging women to step into their feminine energy 57 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: before we dove into it Kate, who is Mitch Third Well. 58 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 1: Mitch founded a reusable drink bottle company called third Fix, 59 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 1: and he ended up selling that company for a reported 60 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 1: nine hundred thousand dollars. His latest adventure is an energy 61 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 1: drink company called Let's Go Energy, which he says he'll 62 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 1: sell in a few years for one hundred million plus. 63 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 1: That's very confident of him. Mitch recently made the move 64 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 1: from the Gold Coast to Dubai and he shares a 65 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 1: lot of that business bro content that we have been 66 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 1: talking about on this podcast. So he currently has fifty 67 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: eight thousand followers on TikTok and his content is a 68 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: mix of business Flex's motivational talking and morning routines. And 69 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:27,959 Speaker 1: when I say morning routines, it's what you think, it's 70 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 1: going to the gym, cold plunges, Sauna's breath work and meditation. 71 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: So last month he also joined the trend of influencers 72 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 1: who have refound God. So in one video he spoke 73 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: about his enlightening visit to church and said that the 74 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 1: world we live in is currently satanic. And back in 75 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 1: June last year, he made headlines when he posted a 76 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 1: video of him speeding in a luxury car in Melbourne. 77 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 2: So Mitch's name will also. 78 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: Be familiar with longtime listeners of the show because he 79 00:03:56,840 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: formerly was a boyfriend of Instagram. He originally cultivated a 80 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 1: following on Instagram from dating influencer Talia Scains and she 81 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: was a big part of why his drink bottle company 82 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: was so successful. So the couple were together for nearly 83 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 1: nine years before they broke up in twenty twenty one, 84 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 1: which blows my mind. That was three years ago now. 85 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:20,720 Speaker 1: In twenty twenty two, Talia filed a lawsuit against Mitch, 86 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: alleging that he owes her hundreds and thousands of dollars 87 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: from their joint e commerce clothing venture third Fixed Collection 88 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:31,720 Speaker 1: and in court documents filed in the Federal Court of Australia, 89 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: Talia alleged that the division of their business assets had 90 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:38,839 Speaker 1: allegedly triggered verbal threats of violence from Mitch, which made 91 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: Talia fear for her safety. She also alleged Mitch threatened 92 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,840 Speaker 1: to publish online private images of her, as well as 93 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 1: images and material online that would degrade her character. Now 94 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 1: it's important to note that Mitch denied the allegations, and 95 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: since then it's unclear whether the case was settled out 96 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: of court, as it's all gone very quiet. Now that 97 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: we are all up to speed, let's get into why 98 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:03,840 Speaker 1: Mitch is in hot water again. So it all started 99 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 1: when Mitch answered an anonymous question on his Instagram story 100 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:11,720 Speaker 1: that said, do you think your messaging comes across to egocentric? 101 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 1: I'm a female and I think half the stuff you 102 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:16,840 Speaker 1: say is amazing and the other half is And then 103 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 1: she added an eye roll emoji now, Mitch replied, saying, 104 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:22,479 Speaker 1: my messaging is to help men. I can't speak on 105 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 1: behalf of women. Do all the spiritual things I say, 106 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 1: but when it comes to no days off making money 107 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 1: being masculine, do the complete opposite. 108 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 2: Haha. 109 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:34,599 Speaker 1: More females need to step into their feminine energy. We 110 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 1: need more stable households, not boss bitches. So, following this post, 111 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 1: Mitch claimed he was flooded with messages from women praising 112 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:46,600 Speaker 1: him on his stance and asking more about his opinion 113 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: on feminine energy and his perspective on women's roles. So 114 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:54,039 Speaker 1: Mitch responded, seems like I've sparked interest in this. I'll 115 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:56,039 Speaker 1: do my best to cover this. He then went on 116 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 1: to write this, which I'm going to read in full 117 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: because I want to give you the full context. Yes, 118 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 1: I believe a female can be driven and disciplined whilst 119 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 1: being in their feminine energy. However, the reasoning behind why 120 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 1: you are driven and disciplined is the question you need 121 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:13,839 Speaker 1: to ask yourself. Money is also a masculine energy, so 122 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: any female's drive to make money is actually masculine. You 123 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: need to embrace your innate feminine energy by prioritizing self care, 124 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: nurturing relationships, and trying your best to be loving and caring. 125 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: Female's superpower is at intuition and power in the spiritual realm. 126 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: I look after my partner in the physical realm, while 127 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: she looks after me in the spiritual realm. Ask yourself 128 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: what you're posting on Instagram? Is it thirst trap so 129 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 1: you're attracting little cucks? Or are you posting morning walks, 130 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 1: self care, cooking a clean space, your passion, etc. There 131 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: can be a harmonious blend that allows you to maintain 132 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: your drive and ambition whilst radiating a feminine confidence and 133 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 1: grace in. 134 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 2: All aspects of your life. 135 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 1: The more females embody this, the more men will up 136 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:00,920 Speaker 1: their value now. Mitch also went onto answer a question 137 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 1: about whether he wanted kids, and he replied that this 138 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: time last year he didn't want any, but now he 139 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: wants four to six children, and he explained that his 140 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 1: whole perspective on the topic had changed, writing how are 141 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 1: we supposed to fight against these left wing psychos when 142 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: there's hardly any of us? Get strong, get rich, know 143 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 1: your purpose, become emotionally intelligent, spiritually aligned, connected to God, 144 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: and have a family. Now The backlash was immediate, with 145 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: influencer watchdog accounts sharing screenshots of Mitch's responses. Abby Chatfield 146 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 1: weighed in on the conversation, writing on one page, is 147 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: this real? She then added, I don't know who he is. 148 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 1: Can someone explain now? Other influences chimed in with Brooke 149 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 1: Hogan adding a vomiting face emoji, while Kira Rumble wrote 150 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: is this a late April fool or question mark? Someone 151 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 1: also summarized it really well. They said, to paraphrase, to 152 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 1: be feminine is to work for free. To be masculine 153 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 1: is to work for money. Seems fair. Now, there is 154 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 1: a lot to discuss, and Mitch's commentary is really just 155 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 1: the tip of the iceberg on the conservative agenda that 156 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: is currently being pushed on TikTok because feminine energy has 157 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: been trending on the app since late last year and 158 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: it's already got over five billion views, and as to 159 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 1: be expected with TikTok trends, the concept that originally stemmed 160 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 1: from Chinese philosophy involving yin and yang has been completely 161 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 1: lost in the algorithm. And I feel like you only 162 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 1: have to look at this growing obsession with tradwives and 163 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 1: Nara Smith and the soft life trend to recognize that 164 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 1: there is currently a real push for women to revert 165 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: back to the nineteen fifties gender norms. 166 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, all of. 167 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: These trends seem to romanticize traditional values and focus on 168 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:47,439 Speaker 1: women getting back into the home and embracing the female 169 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 1: gender stereotypes. And of course guys who want to take 170 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 1: over the business world are the ones trying to push this. 171 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 1: I just find what is Mitch's motivation to push this 172 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 1: because he wants to dominate the business world and there 173 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:03,959 Speaker 1: are so many successful young women who are dominating that 174 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 1: space at the moment, particularly the influencer space, because that 175 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:10,319 Speaker 1: is one area where we have seen women trump men 176 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 1: in every aspect, and I think that's why the space 177 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 1: often gets mocked. And it was interesting how we spoke 178 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: about posting first traps because, as we mentioned, he used 179 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 1: to date Talia Skeins and a lot of her content 180 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 1: is bikini photos and you would say first traps, and 181 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 1: it seems like he was trying really hard to denegrate 182 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: what she does and also tell women that they shouldn't 183 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 1: be posting like that. And I feel like saying, mate, 184 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 1: you made a lot of money off it when you 185 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: utilize her to set up your initial drink pos posting 186 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 1: pictures of himself topless all the time as well, what's 187 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 1: the difference. I also hate the way that it's, oh, 188 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: you'll get a nice guy if you do all of 189 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: these things that I say. And I think the most 190 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:53,559 Speaker 1: disturbing part about this whole trend on TikTok is it's 191 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 1: actually women who are getting behind it. So women are 192 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 1: being told that if they embrace their feminine energy, they'll 193 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 1: attract a man. And you often see dating coaches on 194 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 1: TikTok telling women that in order to be more appealing 195 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:08,319 Speaker 1: to men, that they actually need to tone down their 196 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 1: success and their goals to seem more feminine. So one 197 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 1: creator called earth Angel Ariana shared a video titled how 198 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: to Get Men to take care of You, and in 199 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 1: this video, she told women to regress to a childlike 200 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 1: helpless state to get a man to give them what 201 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:28,559 Speaker 1: they desire, and she advised women to shift their mindset 202 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 1: when asking a man to do something, and instead of 203 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 1: feeling like they could complete the task themselves, she told 204 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:37,439 Speaker 1: them to feel like they were the man's daughter in question. 205 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 1: I feel like we're at this point in society where 206 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 1: there is this false sense of security the feminism has 207 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: reached its end goal, when in reality, sexism has just 208 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 1: changed from avert messaging to subtle messaging, which I think 209 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:54,680 Speaker 1: is way more dangerous because it becomes deceptive. And the 210 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: fact that spirituality is now being used as a vessel 211 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:01,559 Speaker 1: for sexism is really scary. Yeah. I think content creators 212 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 1: who are buying into this trend really do need to 213 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: consider the damage that they are doing to young and 214 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: impressionable people because they are essentially twisting the concept of 215 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: female empowerment and reinforcing values that have historically oppressed women. 216 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 1: And there is a massive flow and effect to these 217 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 1: regressive TikTok trends, and there is no denying that this 218 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 1: is part of a deliberate effort from Republicans and right 219 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:28,959 Speaker 1: wing conservatives to control women at e road their rights. 220 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:32,200 Speaker 1: I could not agree more, particularly because in Western countries 221 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 1: women are not having enough children to replace the population, 222 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: so this is very unsubtle messaging to get women to 223 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 1: go home and have babies and look after them and 224 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 1: stay out of men's way. 225 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 4: The worst rag in history. I've just lived through fifty 226 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 4: minutes of famine to tell for a social experiment. 227 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 1: Three high profile Australian feminists are being accused of betraying 228 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: their community after taking part in an elaborate prank with 229 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 1: comedy duo The Inspired Unemployed Kate. Before we get into 230 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 1: the story, who are the key players? So you've got 231 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:08,080 Speaker 1: The Inspired Unemployed, who are an ossie comedy duo with 232 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: over two million followers on Instagram. So that duo is 233 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: made up of former trades and friends Jack Steele and 234 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: Matt Ford who is best known as Falcon and they 235 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 1: rose to fame after posting comedy skits on Instagram during 236 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: the pandemic. So they are currently recording the second series 237 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:26,679 Speaker 1: of their TV show for Paramount Plus called The Inspired 238 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 1: Unemployed Impractical Jokers. Now, as for the three high profile 239 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 1: feminists involved, it was Clementine Ford, Antoinette Letoufe and Humi 240 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 1: Steins So. Antoinette is an Australian journalist, author and a 241 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 1: diversity advocate, while Umi is a feminist podcaster and author. 242 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 1: Now we have spoken quite a lot about Clematine Ford 243 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: on this podcast before. She is an iconic feminist, writer, 244 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 1: columnist and social commentator. Now things all started last week 245 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 1: when Clementine Ford advertised an upcoming event on her Instagram account. 246 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:02,839 Speaker 1: The event, ESSI, was a free event called Love Unboxed 247 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 1: and was tauted as a thought provoking discussion on love 248 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 1: and marriage. So Clementine wrote, come see me, Antoinette and 249 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 1: Umi breakdown love and stuff and generally have a good 250 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 1: time being smart cookies Now. Antoinette responded underneath, writing looking 251 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:20,680 Speaker 1: forward to this. So the high profile feminists were set 252 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 1: to appear on the panel with a special guest who 253 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: would give the perspective of a young male. 254 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 5: Now. 255 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 1: That young male in question was one half of the 256 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 1: Inspired Unemployed Jack Still. The catch was Jack didn't know 257 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 1: he was going to appear on the panel. It was 258 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 1: all part of an elaborate prank set up by producers 259 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 1: on his television show. Now, Sophie, you are a big 260 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 1: fan of this TV show. You and your partner always 261 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 1: told me to watch it. I haven't actually watched it. 262 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:49,199 Speaker 1: It gives me Haymish and Andy prank. 263 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 2: Vibes, though. Yeah. 264 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 1: The whole premise of the show is that Jack and 265 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: Falcon are placed in these really awkward situations, and they 266 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 1: all have ear pieces in and they've been given these 267 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 1: commands by their friends so if if they don't obey 268 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 1: a command, they get punished. And of course there's hidden 269 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 1: cameras set up to capture everyone's responses to their weird behavior, 270 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 1: and it is being reported that Jack's face dropped when 271 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 1: he realized where he was and what he was. 272 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:13,959 Speaker 2: Being asked to do. 273 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: I do think it's important to note that Clementine, Antoinette, 274 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: and Yumi were all in on the joke. However the 275 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 1: audience were not. So you may be wondering how this 276 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 1: works in regards to getting consent to be filmed. So 277 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: when guests arrived at the event, there were signs around 278 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 1: the venue saying filming will be in progress. However, many 279 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 1: didn't really think twice about it because generally events are 280 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 1: film to make promotional videos. There were also signs saying 281 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 1: that people weren't allowed to film the event on their phones. However, 282 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 1: one audience member called maybe Lene sand Yuen has gone 283 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 1: viral after sharing her experience at the event, so she 284 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: decided to be sneaky and voice recorded the whole event 285 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 1: because she was getting so many dms from her friends 286 00:14:57,520 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: back in Adelaide saying they were so jealous that they 287 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 1: could come along, and they even described the event as 288 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: a feminist Christmas, so she thought, oh, voice record it 289 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 1: so that they can listen and take some things away 290 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 1: from this important discussion. And the event was free, so 291 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: it's not like she was doing anything wrong. 292 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. 293 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 1: Now, she says that the event began with Antoinette introducing 294 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: what they described as a last minute guest. Now, as 295 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 1: we touched on, that guest was Jack. So Antoinette didn't 296 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: say where he was from, but just said he really 297 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 1: wanted to be there and be part of the discussion. Now, 298 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: the panel started firing really tough questions at Jack, and 299 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 1: Jack of course had an earpiece in and was being 300 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 1: fed really uncomfortable. 301 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 2: Lines to repeat back. 302 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 1: Now, whilst The Inspired Unemployed do have over two million followers, 303 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 1: it was clear that the majority of this audience were 304 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 1: unaware of who Jack was and they were in shock 305 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: at his responses. Let's throw to what maybe Lene said. 306 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 4: If you could think of the most misogynistic answers and 307 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 4: dumb answers to these questions, that was what was being. 308 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 2: Said by Jack. 309 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 4: Some highlights that stuck in my brain include talking about consent, 310 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 4: which is an important topic to have, and Umi had 311 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 4: some great and that's the thing. All these women had 312 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 4: fantastic points about this, but then Jack would interject and 313 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 4: be like, yeah, I think chicks did consent, and it's like, okay, 314 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 4: not us saying chicks. And when I pointed out that 315 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 4: like everyone there, like all the women were authors, and 316 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 4: he's like, yeah, I really like girl writers, and I 317 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 4: was like, audible gasp from the audience, audible grown from 318 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 4: the audience, and it just continued. Another highlight was talking 319 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 4: about the glass ceiling and what his comment and I 320 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 4: was like, can we stop throwing the questions to him 321 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 4: because I actually I don't want to hear him speak, 322 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 4: which sucked because you know, at times these women had 323 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 4: really great contributions to the conversation, but then they kept 324 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 4: throwing like him aligned to talk more. 325 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 5: I was like, no, literally shut up. 326 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 4: And he was saying like, oh, I have a trade background, 327 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 4: and so I just know that like bamboo is not 328 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 4: a good material to use when building houses, but neither 329 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 4: is glass, and I was like hmm. That is when 330 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 4: it started to get really personally offensive to me, because 331 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 4: I was like, oh, I actually wanted to hear his 332 00:16:57,520 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 4: perspectives on this as an Asian woman facing the very 333 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 4: but but no, we got Jack's opinion on it. 334 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 1: It was at this point that someone stood up and 335 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 1: asked if they were being punked, and this is when 336 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 1: the panel finally confess and explained that Jack was from 337 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 1: the Inspired Unemployed. They then went on to explain to 338 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:17,919 Speaker 1: the audience that he had lost a bet and his 339 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:21,639 Speaker 1: punishment was appearing on the panel with three strong feminists 340 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 1: and not being able to defend himself or have anything 341 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:25,440 Speaker 1: worthwhile to say. 342 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 2: It is being. 343 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 1: Reported that Jack was unaware of what the event would 344 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 1: be and apologize to the venue's audience after saying I'm 345 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:35,119 Speaker 1: very sorry, guys, I look like a fuck with and 346 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:37,160 Speaker 1: you all hate me. From the bottom of my heart, 347 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. So what happened after this point? Did the 348 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 1: event roll on as promoted? 349 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:42,680 Speaker 2: Well maybe? 350 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:45,640 Speaker 1: Lane said that Jack and the producers quickly got out 351 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 1: of there, and the rest of the panel were left 352 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: to explain to the audience what had gone on and 353 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 1: sort of why they were involved in this prank, and 354 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:55,400 Speaker 1: they allegedly said that they took part so that their 355 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:57,920 Speaker 1: message could get out there and they could get a 356 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:01,160 Speaker 1: chance to add value to a conversation about feminism. But 357 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 1: Mabeline argued that they're preaching to an audience who wouldn't care, 358 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: and their audience other people in the room who they 359 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:11,200 Speaker 1: have now offended. She also added that they're platforming this 360 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 1: man and collecting their checks. I agree with her because 361 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:17,639 Speaker 1: it was making fun of the audience, but it was 362 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 1: also making fun of the feminists as well by having 363 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 1: Jack in there making these ridiculous claims, as if it's 364 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,919 Speaker 1: such a big punishment to have to go to this event. 365 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:28,160 Speaker 1: I know they were there trying to make him say 366 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 1: controversial things that would have been extremely uncomfortable in that environment, 367 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 1: and I am very interested to see how this relays 368 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: onto the TV show, particularly because of the backlash. Despite 369 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:40,919 Speaker 1: them saying that they felt there was an opportunity to 370 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:43,639 Speaker 1: add some value to the conversation. I just think that 371 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:47,159 Speaker 1: this skit played into the stereotypical tropes of mocking so 372 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 1: called angry feminists and all for the entertainment of men. 373 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:53,639 Speaker 1: It also played into this view that feminists don't have 374 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 1: a sense of humor, and it just undermined what they 375 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 1: stand for. It felt like a really strange betray of 376 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:03,120 Speaker 1: their audience because many people felt like this was their 377 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 1: safe place and they were really excited to actually hear 378 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 1: a genuine conversation, and maybe Lene said the most disappointing 379 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:12,479 Speaker 1: bit is that the show just ended there. Perhaps if 380 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:14,639 Speaker 1: they then decided, Okay, we are going to give you 381 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 1: a free, proper show afterwards, but many of the women 382 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:20,920 Speaker 1: felt like their time was wasted, so they went there 383 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 1: just to be mocked. I'm just surprised that Clementine, Antoineae, 384 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 1: and Yumi would be involved in something like this, especially Clementine, 385 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 1: because she's the sort of person who'd probably produce some 386 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,199 Speaker 1: kind of video response about an event like this if 387 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,919 Speaker 1: she hadn't been a part of it. I assume that 388 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:38,919 Speaker 1: maybe these women thought, well, it is with the Inspired Unemployed, 389 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 1: they are very well liked. People will see the fun 390 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 1: in this prank, but it seems to have backfired. 391 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 6: Well. 392 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 2: What I find most. 393 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 1: Interesting is that we recently covered how Clementine Ford called 394 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:52,159 Speaker 1: me a freedman out for backing the so called cool group, 395 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:55,159 Speaker 1: and I would say that the Inspired Unemployed are very 396 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:58,159 Speaker 1: much part of that cool group. Now, so is this 397 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:01,440 Speaker 1: an attempt for a rebrand for Clementine Ford. She can 398 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:03,640 Speaker 1: reach a new audience and she can be seen as 399 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 1: being in on the joke, and maybe she becomes more 400 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:08,920 Speaker 1: appealing to a broader audience. See, I just think it's 401 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 1: made her lose credibility with the audience that she has, 402 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 1: because there are a lot of people that are very 403 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 1: unhappy with her, particularly because she is the one that 404 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 1: actually promoted this event to her audience. In saying that, though, 405 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 1: it is hard to comment when we don't know how 406 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:24,919 Speaker 1: this skit is going to be portrayed on the show, 407 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:27,439 Speaker 1: and also everything that happened at the event, Like I 408 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 1: understand that Mayberlene recorded it, but again when we actually 409 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:35,919 Speaker 1: haven't seen it presented in its official format, then it 410 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 1: is hard to comment on. It's interesting we haven't heard 411 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 1: from Clementine as well, because she's obviously facing a bit 412 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:44,439 Speaker 1: of backlash, but I assume she's probably signed a confidentiality 413 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 1: agreement with Paramount pluss Well, the prank was discussed on 414 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 1: the project on Friday, and it's interesting to note that 415 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 1: the project is owned by Paramount Plus and they did 416 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,479 Speaker 1: point that out at the start of the segment, and 417 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,639 Speaker 1: Wileie presented the argument that the event was free, so 418 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 1: weren't losing out. However, Maybelene rejects that theory and she 419 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:06,919 Speaker 1: said that time is money, and she can't believe that 420 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,919 Speaker 1: they wasted theirs to pay the paychecks of these people. 421 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 1: That's a pretty poor argument to be like, oh, it's 422 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 1: a free event, so we can do whatever we want. Like, 423 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 1: it's actually ridiculous because, as she said, their time isn't free, 424 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:20,360 Speaker 1: and also people would have had to pay to get 425 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 1: public transport there. They may have given time off work 426 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:27,199 Speaker 1: to go, like, you don't know what everyone else's circumstances are. 427 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:30,119 Speaker 1: The other thing was that this event took place at nighttime, 428 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 1: and many of the audience made the point that they 429 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 1: thought they were going to an event that would help 430 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:37,439 Speaker 1: make the women feel more powerful and give them ways 431 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 1: to deal with the fear of walking home alone for instant. However, 432 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 1: they go to this event, they're mocked, and then they 433 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 1: have to walk home alone scared. I just thought that 434 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 1: was a really interesting concept. And maybe Lene also pointed 435 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 1: out on TikTok, why couldn't it be that the audience 436 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 1: were also in on the joke with Clem and everyone, 437 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 1: and because it would still be funny the fact that 438 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 1: Jack thinks that he's been suer offensive to this audience, 439 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 1: and maybe some of them also could have berated him 440 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:04,639 Speaker 1: from the sidelines. 441 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 2: Why was the joke just on the women in the. 442 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 1: Crowd because it was meant to be on Jack. But 443 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 1: really it's not like Jack at all. He is benefiting 444 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 1: from it. He's getting content for his TV show. The 445 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 1: joke was on the audience, who got nothing out of it. 446 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,640 Speaker 1: We haven't seen the full skit play out, But what 447 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: do you say to those people who say, oh, well, 448 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 1: this is just a bit of fun. It's a preak 449 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: because as someone who enjoys the show a lot. 450 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:27,119 Speaker 2: Of the time, these skits are funny. 451 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 1: Well, that's why I've said the whole time. It's going 452 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 1: to be very interesting to see how this translates onto 453 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 1: the TV show. The fact that the producers managed to 454 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:38,399 Speaker 1: persuade Clementine, Yumi and Antoinette to be on it is 455 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,400 Speaker 1: also a big sticking point for me because it doesn't 456 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 1: make sense that they would all agree to do it 457 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 1: and this be something very negative. So again, I think 458 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:48,639 Speaker 1: this is a little bit of a wait and see 459 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 1: how this is all going to go. 460 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:55,119 Speaker 7: The most recent lump has been very prominent on my 461 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 7: social media and has caused a lot of questions that 462 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 7: I'm constantly having to deflect, and I don't like that 463 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 7: feeling of deflecting or having to know our aunts or 464 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 7: not tell the truth. 465 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 1: Sophie Gwiedlin has returned to YouTube in a bid to 466 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 1: rebrand herself. The controversial influencer appears keen to wipe the 467 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,359 Speaker 1: slate clean after what she calls the toughest year of 468 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 1: her life, and she has well and truly done that 469 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 1: figuratively speaking by deleting all her old YouTube videos. So 470 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,879 Speaker 1: her channel now only has five videos on it and 471 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 1: they've all been uploaded in the last two months. And 472 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,639 Speaker 1: it is interesting that she's chosen YouTube as her rebranding 473 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 1: platform because it's actually not her biggest channel. She only 474 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 1: has seventeen thousand subscribers on YouTube, but from what she says, 475 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,440 Speaker 1: she actually wants to reduce the size of her audience. 476 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 1: So she said that she's trying to create more of 477 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:51,400 Speaker 1: an intimate platform for those who actually want to support her, 478 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 1: and those who don't can just scroll on. So, in 479 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,880 Speaker 1: terms of what to expect from Sophie's YouTube channel, she 480 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:02,199 Speaker 1: says it will be unfiltered, unapologetic, and unmistakably real and 481 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 1: it's a place where fitness, motherhood, wellness and business collide. 482 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 1: She was also promising a new vlog each week. Let's 483 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 1: thrown a more of what she said in her intro video. 484 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 5: On this channel. You will feel like you were a 485 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 5: part of my life, my best in my companion. I 486 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 5: am going to show you and document and take you 487 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,120 Speaker 5: with me on every single step of every single part 488 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 5: of my journey. Give me sixty six days, let me 489 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:31,160 Speaker 5: show you how it's done. Join me hit subscribe now. 490 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 1: It's an interesting approach from Sophie, and I can see 491 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:37,680 Speaker 1: why she's done it because she has copped so much 492 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: criticism over the last twelve months. And these videos are 493 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,119 Speaker 1: not your typical influence of logs. They've been filmed in 494 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,639 Speaker 1: a documentary style, so they've got master interviews from Sophie 495 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 1: and her kids, and I noticed that it was actually 496 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,400 Speaker 1: Sophie that was throwing the interview questions to her children. 497 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 1: I actually didn't pick that up. I was more impressed 498 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,200 Speaker 1: with the high quality nature of the videos. I mean, 499 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 1: they're not particularly long, they only go for around five 500 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,199 Speaker 1: to ten minutes, but I actually really liked the style 501 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 1: of the way that they're being filmed, and I wonder 502 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,399 Speaker 1: if other influencers are going to go down this route. 503 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 2: But that's an. 504 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,399 Speaker 1: Interesting strategy in itself, and I wonder if it is 505 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 1: something that we will see more influences implementing, because a 506 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 1: lot of the feedback is that people like content that 507 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:20,159 Speaker 1: is organic and not overly produced in this way see Sophie. 508 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 1: I actually think the opposite. I think TikTok have really 509 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: changed the game in terms of content creation. They've come 510 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 1: out and said that Netflix is their biggest competitor, not 511 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 1: Instagram or Facebook, and they are really pushing high quality 512 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 1: long form content on their platform. So I actually think 513 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,439 Speaker 1: that this may be a trend we'll be seeing more 514 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,679 Speaker 1: and more of. It had a very cut, ashy and 515 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,120 Speaker 1: esque vibe to it, Didn't it the way it was shot? Okay, 516 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 1: I know you said that long form content is now 517 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 1: going to be favored, but I actually liked how short 518 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 1: and concise this content was because I find myself getting 519 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,160 Speaker 1: bored sometimes when I watch a forty five minute log 520 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 1: when people have just let it run and run. But 521 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 1: you could tell she was very clever in which parts 522 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 1: she acted aired, and I think that is where the 523 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,679 Speaker 1: difference lies with high quality content verse influences just filming 524 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 1: themselves unstacking the dishwasher or doing book reviews. I wonder 525 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,199 Speaker 1: if she is moving towards this sort of content because 526 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 1: it puts a barrier up between her and her audience. 527 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:18,159 Speaker 1: Because she's not taking her own vlog camera inside her house. 528 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 1: It doesn't have that person next door feel to it. 529 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,680 Speaker 1: It almost as though she's positioning herself above all the 530 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: drama and above all the crap, and she is allowing 531 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 1: you into certain aspects of her life. It's also a 532 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 1: format a lot of celebrities have used recently in a 533 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 1: way to redeem themselves and also sway audiences perceptions of them, 534 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 1: and I think it's clear that's what Sophie's trying to achieve. 535 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 1: She is really trying to reinstate herself also as a 536 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:48,160 Speaker 1: fitness professional, because in her first episode, it's just her 537 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,479 Speaker 1: going to the gym with her son Kai, and she 538 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,440 Speaker 1: speaks a lot about techniques, and it's almost like she's 539 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:57,439 Speaker 1: trying to reintroduce herself and set this new narrative. And 540 00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,439 Speaker 1: I found the way she used her kids in these 541 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: vlogs interesting because, as we touched on, they do master 542 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 1: interviews and Amy, as you said, she actually is interviewing 543 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 1: her kids, and it's so clever because they basically talk 544 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 1: for her and build her reputation up. So one of 545 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 1: her son's writer was actually talking about how his mom 546 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,440 Speaker 1: needs to go back to her original community who were 547 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 1: actually supportive of her. And to me, that spoke volumes 548 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 1: because you can see that her kids have been with 549 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 1: her every step of the way when she's been trolled 550 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 1: and all these horrible things have happened to her in 551 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,440 Speaker 1: the past twelve months, and it was just a little 552 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,400 Speaker 1: insight into how it actually affects the whole family. Yeah, 553 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 1: it's a clever PR strategy, and I mean Sophie. We 554 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:38,879 Speaker 1: often talk about it with some of our clients. What 555 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:42,400 Speaker 1: better way to promote yourself positively than have somebody else 556 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 1: give you a glowing testimonial, and that's exactly what her 557 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 1: kids have done. Do we think that a PR agency 558 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,960 Speaker 1: or a marketing team has approached Sophie, because obviously she's 559 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 1: got some sort of videography team working with her. Do 560 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 1: you or do you think that she's gone to them 561 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,719 Speaker 1: and said, I need to work and change my reputation 562 00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 1: at the moment, because she has had a tough couple 563 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 1: of years in social media where she has found herself 564 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,239 Speaker 1: at the center of a lot of controversies. I mean, 565 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,640 Speaker 1: it is clear that she is working with a third party, 566 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:10,439 Speaker 1: and I'm not sure who seeked out who, but for me, 567 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,119 Speaker 1: it's actually working. I actually think that this is a 568 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:17,719 Speaker 1: really good strategy. The second episode was interesting because again 569 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,160 Speaker 1: she did use the same techniquehere she let her kids 570 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 1: talk somewhat on her behalf and it was really sad 571 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,160 Speaker 1: because her son Writer spoke about what a hard year 572 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 1: it had been not only for his mum but their 573 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 1: whole family, and he touched on the passing of his 574 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 1: late sister Pixie, who Sophie sadly lost to steelbirth last year. 575 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 1: Let's throw to some of what Writers said about his mum. 576 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 6: My mom is nothing like whatever you would read. She 577 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 6: does not do anything that would be like negative in anyway. 578 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 6: She just chose to inspire and help young ladies and 579 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 6: to be their better selves. And she's perfect. I guess 580 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 6: very proud of Mom. She's done a what a good. 581 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 1: Amy. You obviously touched on it just a second ago, 582 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 1: But this is a very powerful storytelling technique that really 583 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 1: makes you change your perception of Sophie. It is really 584 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 1: clever because I think people are sick of seeing influencers 585 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 1: talking directly to the camera. We've got a bit of 586 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 1: fatigue about it. Sometimes if an influencer is talking about 587 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 1: their problems, it can come across as a little bit insincere. 588 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 1: But this style of talking to somebody off camera, it's 589 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 1: used a lot in documentaries, it's used a lot in 590 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 1: news productions, and it seems they're being asked about something 591 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 1: and they're providing their response and it's cut up into 592 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,719 Speaker 1: a grap Well, it seems more genuine they're talking to 593 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 1: another person. That's interesting though, because most of the time 594 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 1: people suggest that people should talk down the barrel of 595 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 1: the camera because it's a better way to connect with 596 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 1: the audience who's watching at home. I suppose maybe because 597 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 1: it's a technique that we've been seeing influencers use too much. 598 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 2: So yeah, it's an interesting theory. 599 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 1: Well, I also think it's because of this concise nature 600 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 1: of the vlogs that someone has helped sit down and 601 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 1: actually produce it and say this is the best grab. 602 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 1: Because an influencer can say, down the barrel a really 603 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,960 Speaker 1: good grab, but then they'll have about ten more minutes 604 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 1: of absolute crap that wasn't needed to be included, and 605 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 1: it kind of just sounds like they're trying to make excuses. 606 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 1: I think also because she's touching on such a sad topic, 607 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 1: the still birth of her daughter, it seems more genuine 608 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 1: that she is talking off to somebody, do you know 609 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 1: what I mean? Like is in if an influence is 610 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 1: talking about what they're doing today, it makes sense to 611 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 1: say that down the barrel of the camera, But this 612 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 1: seems like such a sensitive issue to talk about that 613 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 1: the way it's been produced, it just seems a little 614 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,720 Speaker 1: bit more sincere. I do love that Sophie is really 615 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 1: addressing things head on in these vlogs because in the 616 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 1: third episode that dropped recently, she provided a health update, 617 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 1: and for many months, Sophie's followers have been speculating about 618 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 1: her health after spotting this visible lump on her breast, 619 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 1: and the speculation led to further concern last Tuesday when 620 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 1: Sophie shared on Instagram she was in hospital for an 621 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 1: undisclosed illness. So she ended up posting a photo of 622 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 1: her in a hospital bed wearing a mask connected to 623 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 1: a drip, and she captured the photo. I'm not ignoring anyone, 624 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 1: I'm just having a quick little retreat. Laugh or you 625 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 1: will cry. So it turns out Sophie is still suffering 626 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 1: from the ill effects of her PIP breast implants that 627 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 1: ruptured more than ten years ago. So she explained that 628 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 1: she originally got breast implants because she had to have 629 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 1: a medical grade breast reduction. I wasn't aware of this 630 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,920 Speaker 1: because I haven't been following her for over ten years. 631 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 1: So she said she had such large breasts at the 632 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 1: age of fourteen that this medical grade reduction was needed, 633 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 1: and despite going to the best plastic surgeon in Adelaide 634 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 1: and paying forty thousand dollars of her own money for 635 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,480 Speaker 1: the procedure, she was one of the very unlucky women 636 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 1: who actually got the pp implants. So, for those who 637 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 1: can't remember, these implants were made with industrial silicone and 638 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 1: there was this big call out globally that you had 639 00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 1: to have them removed. However, her right implant act actually 640 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 1: ended up rupturing and spreading industrial silicone throughout her body, 641 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 1: which is so scary. I think it's worth pointing out 642 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 1: that most people who have a breast reduction don't necessarily 643 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 1: go on to get breast implants. That was her choice 644 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 1: to then go and do that. This is where you 645 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 1: can tell that she's working with a very talented team 646 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 1: because this vision was incredible. So she got these two 647 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,959 Speaker 1: containers out, and in one container there was a breast 648 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,280 Speaker 1: implant fully intact, and in the other there was a 649 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 1: ruptured one, and she pulled out the breast implant with 650 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 1: tongs to show how much of the silicone would have 651 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,880 Speaker 1: seeped through her body. It was a very powerful image. 652 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 1: So Sophie ended up having surgery to replace these pp 653 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 1: breast implants. However, unfortunately, this time, her left implant ruptured 654 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:48,840 Speaker 1: and this implant seeped more silicone into her body and 655 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 1: the surgeons were forced to remove muscle tissue and her nipples. Now, 656 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 1: Sophie has now undergone over twenty surgeries and has industrial 657 00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,680 Speaker 1: silicone in her body that cannot be removed, and this 658 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 1: silicone causes inflammation markers inside her body because her body 659 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,960 Speaker 1: is always trying to fight off a foreign object. So 660 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 1: essentially the cells then react in this way, which causes 661 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,280 Speaker 1: what they classify as a tumor. So Sophie has had 662 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 1: many biopsies to test these tumors and they've all come 663 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 1: back benign, thankfully, but she says the latest lump is 664 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:22,960 Speaker 1: a part of the issue. 665 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 5: Now. 666 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 1: She did reiterate that she would never ever get breast 667 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 1: implants again and explain that she wanted to be transparent 668 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 1: and that's why she's always back and forth from hospital. 669 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 1: At the moment, I think it'd be really difficult to 670 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,400 Speaker 1: watch this and not have empathy for what she's gone through. 671 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 1: It sounds like it's been an absolute nightmare. And I 672 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,240 Speaker 1: liked the way in that episode she said that most 673 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 1: people have this stereotypical view of her, that she's blonde, 674 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 1: has fake boobs, and that basically that all of the 675 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 1: issues to do with her breasts are her fault. But 676 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,240 Speaker 1: I love the fact that she explored that the reason 677 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,440 Speaker 1: she initially got breast implants was because she had to 678 00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,640 Speaker 1: have a breast reduction, and also the fact that she 679 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:03,280 Speaker 1: got VIP implants. I mean, that is so unlucky. Now, 680 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:07,480 Speaker 1: this serious conversation was interrupted by a flower delivery from 681 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 1: a semi mystery man. So in the video he passes 682 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 1: her a bunch of flowers, and then later on there 683 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,400 Speaker 1: is a zoom out where you can see him sitting 684 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:18,839 Speaker 1: on the couch, so people did get quite a good 685 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 1: look at him, and there are reports that his name 686 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 1: is Nicholas White, and he's a Gold Coast personal trainer 687 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 1: and also a coach, and his Instagram account is private, 688 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:29,799 Speaker 1: but Sophie follows him, so it's all good science. I 689 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,240 Speaker 1: am surprised that she chose to share about this mystery 690 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,719 Speaker 1: man in this way, because any time she mentions she's 691 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,480 Speaker 1: in a new relationship, this is when a lot of 692 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,520 Speaker 1: her trolls and people who don't like her become even 693 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,600 Speaker 1: more obsessed with her life and start to speculate and 694 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,439 Speaker 1: create rumors. It reminded me of how the Kardashians often 695 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:48,640 Speaker 1: just drop throughout their show that they're dating someone. It 696 00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,399 Speaker 1: was the same kind of koy way. I suppose she's 697 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,040 Speaker 1: more in control in this way, and maybe she's at 698 00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,480 Speaker 1: a point where she's happy to include him. 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