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Speaker 1: crippling pressure on our aging electricity network. Now joining me

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Good morning Katie, and good morning listeners.

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Speaker 1: Good to have you on the show. Now. Jared, tell us,

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Speaker 1: you said, after eight years of Labor and their fifty

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Speaker 1: Are you going to set a new target or do

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Speaker 2: No, Look, we're not going to set a new target, Katie.

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Speaker 2: We've been in office for about eight months. We've looked

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Speaker 2: We're never going to achieve that target. So what we're

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Speaker 2: And've also started a task force of getting a group

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Speaker 1: How much work is needed here on the network, Like

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Speaker 2: Water looks I can see though they're not there has

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Speaker 2: And that's what we're here today talking about. This is

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Speaker 2: costing is one point three million, So.

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Speaker 1: One point three million for the cohort of ten over

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Speaker 2: Katie, there's some good news about that. There's been over

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Speaker 2: other services that we can do, because it's about the rehabilitation.

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Speaker 2: It's about the industries where people go into prison to

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Speaker 1: And so they all back underway.

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Speaker 2: Now, Look, the first one was getting a lawn up

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Speaker 2: they're certainly cut back and as we get more at

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Speaker 2: So we're recruiting our own and we're also using the

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Speaker 1: Now in terms of the other programs like programs to

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Speaker 2: Look, we've got a whole range of wrap around services

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Speaker 2: Remember we've got the Youth Justice facility out there as

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Speaker 1: Okay, but so not all of those programs about underway.

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Speaker 2: All of them are up and running, but they're all there,

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Speaker 1: I guess, you know, given our domestic violence issues across

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Speaker 2: Ultimately, there's a whole lot of training because it's about

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Speaker 1: But I mean in terms of like you know, ones

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Speaker 2: Look, there's a whole range of training. And when you

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Speaker 1: Or I know there will be some people listening going

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Speaker 2: Know what, there's a whole range of programs and wrap

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Speaker 1: You spoke about don Dale a moment ago, or it's

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Speaker 1: Youth Correctional Facility just a few moments. Are the education

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Speaker 2: Look, I've been there and I've seen those education programs.

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Speaker 2: I've been to the one in Alice Springs. I've been

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Speaker 2: Well, the number today is two thy seven hundred and

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Speaker 1: Do we know if we've got many in the youth

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Speaker 2: I'm just looking for my figures. I don't know what

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Speaker 2: And I can certainly get those figures if you later on.

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Speaker 1: Hey, before I let you go this morning, a real

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Speaker 2: Oh look, Catie, this is a good news story for

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Speaker 2: Charity Recreational Fishing Grant Scheme. And what it's about is

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Speaker 2: Like for example, the Palmerston Fishing Club do the Buddy

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Speaker 2: and we take out disadvantaged people and people from walwalks

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Speaker 2: you know then they put on a barbecue after that

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Speaker 2: those nonprofit organizations who can get a ground up to

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Speaker 2: fifteen thousand dollars. So if you're a fishing club out

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Speaker 2: open today, make an application well.

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Speaker 1: Jered Mailey the acting Chief Minister, also Minister for various

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Speaker 1: portfolios including Mining and Energy, Renewables and Corrections, Thank you,

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Speaker 1: and fishing I think reck fishing yes, good on your minister.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for your time this morning.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Katie,