Speaker 1: On Flex and Frooms Flex and Frooms. This is the
Speaker 1: Flex and Frooms catch up podcast.
Speaker 2: Sweety Pies, We Love the Potty. Coming up though, discussing
Speaker 2: a bit of an anthropological sociological statement that was made
Speaker 2: on TikTok about handholding and what that says about your
Speaker 2: relationship and how happy you are to beat in it. Now,
Speaker 2: this could all be conjecture, but it's important to know
Speaker 2: that people's opinions are valid. Are they factual? Not quite sure,
Speaker 2: but some of the points that were made gobbled gobbled.
Speaker 1: And ate you're with Flex and Fromes. Let's go. This
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Speaker 2: On kit What do you think happens when a prison
Speaker 2: reaches capacity?
Speaker 1: Oh, they spill out sides.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you think happens? Like, let's say we
Speaker 2: can only admit fifty thousand people, and now we've got
Speaker 2: fifty five thousand, we just give them to other prisons.
Speaker 1: I reckon they start installing bunk beds something I'm going
Speaker 1: to end there.
Speaker 3: No, they like split the cells in half.
Speaker 2: To clarify. I guess the issue was like, the prison
Speaker 2: system is a system, it's a business. I mean, not
Speaker 2: all prison systems are business, but a lot of them are,
Speaker 2: And so what happens when there's an incentive to criminalize
Speaker 2: people and then you run out of space? Well, I
Speaker 2: was reading an article and by reading I read a headline,
Speaker 2: clicked in skimmed and was freaking out and had to
Speaker 2: close the browser. But what I did gather I wrote
Speaker 2: some notes on So I was like, wait, what's the
Speaker 2: difference between a prison and a jail?
Speaker 1: I'm really confused.
Speaker 2: A jail is where you get held as they determine
Speaker 2: what your crime is and how long you'll be in
Speaker 2: prison for.
Speaker 3: Are you sure they don't call it prison in Australia?
Speaker 3: Well not, this is not Australian Oh okay, oh what
Speaker 3: do we call it?
Speaker 1: Gael? Not the old Melbourne Gael?
Speaker 2: The convicts. Anyway, to clarify, a public prison is not
Speaker 2: a profit generating entity and the end goal is to
Speaker 2: house incarcerated individuals in an attempt to rehabilitate them or
Speaker 2: remove them from the streets. A prime at prison, on
Speaker 2: the other hand, is run by corporation or business, and
Speaker 2: that corporations end goals to profit in anything that they
Speaker 2: deal with.
Speaker 1: Speaking of profiting incentives, explained.
Speaker 2: So well, So, for example, let's say the public prison
Speaker 2: system is full. They need incentives to take these prisoners
Speaker 2: from you for a fee and will house them. Oh
Speaker 2: I see, and also prison labor. It's very explosive anyway,
Speaker 2: So UK prisons have an overcrowding problem, and so defendants
Speaker 2: who have been found guilty of serious crimes like assault
Speaker 2: and burglary will have to be weight he will just
Speaker 2: have to wait or be spared in jail. So now
Speaker 2: people who I mean, we're not arguing whether or not
Speaker 2: people should be put in prison or not, but the
Speaker 2: idea is because these crimes are now not considered a
Speaker 2: big deal because there's not enough space, these people who
Speaker 2: have done objectively bad things will just be like waiting
Speaker 2: around to be considered worthy or bad enough to go
Speaker 2: into prison. But it's like then why you punishing them anyway?
Speaker 2: And then also what ends up happening down they're doing
Speaker 2: like a rotation system, so they're going through the list
Speaker 2: and being like, who was that kind of not bad
Speaker 2: and shouldn't be here, But now we've got worse people
Speaker 2: you can make more money off, so we'll like let
Speaker 2: them go. I just everything feels like a story book.
Speaker 2: It is so anyway, people's literal sentences are being postponed,
Speaker 2: or they're just deciding that the issue isn't big enough
Speaker 2: to be criminalized anymore and just letting people go.
Speaker 1: I'd be pretty happy if that was you.
Speaker 3: Literally, there's so much to get out of jail free card.
Speaker 3: We are living in Monopoly.
Speaker 2: Cliches are real anyway. The decision comes after it was
Speaker 2: found that sixty percent of English jails are officially to
Speaker 2: full sixty percent, And you've got to wonder what comes first?
Speaker 2: Is everybody just a criminal or dot dot dot? You
Speaker 2: have flexing freoms on Cater.
Speaker 3: It's giving convicts babes, it's flexing freoms on cater. Honestly,
Speaker 3: sometimes I'm so surprised that we are actual human beings,
Speaker 3: therefore part of the animal kingdom.
Speaker 1: I get confused, what do you mean?
Speaker 3: I'm an animal with basic needs and internal drives that
Speaker 3: sometimes are'm not privy to. It's incredible. I found this TikTok,
Speaker 3: which is about ancient things that we still do. So
Speaker 3: things that we do that feel very natural, that we
Speaker 3: know our ancestors would have done in the ancient times.
Speaker 1: Do you want to know some of them? Absolutely?
Speaker 3: Please, Mickey. I prefer if you put some meaningful music under.
Speaker 1: This is that strings?
Speaker 2: Is that percussion?
Speaker 3: Like any wistful emotional ringing bells. I want it to
Speaker 3: be more like so luvois lu kumbaya, stirring of the
Speaker 3: emotions in the gut. Okay, cleaning or wiping your bare
Speaker 3: feet allegedly feels quite prehistoric.
Speaker 1: Breaking off a piece of bread to handle someone.
Speaker 3: It's giving the long table with twelf people sitting on it.
Speaker 1: Cupping your hands into running water to wash your face.
Speaker 2: It's a big one.
Speaker 1: It's a big one.
Speaker 3: When an elderly woman laughs and grips your fore m tightly,
Speaker 3: forearm tightly, that's pretty prehistoric, am the time? When an
Speaker 3: elderly woman laughs and grips your four forearm tightly?
Speaker 1: Huh? You know the feeling epigenetically you understand, but not ancient.
Speaker 2: That feels very modern to me. Okay, laughing with the girlies.
Speaker 3: Touching someone's face with the back of your hand to
Speaker 3: see they have a fever. Yeah, you know. I'm weathered,
Speaker 3: so people don't don't get any ideas. If you see
Speaker 3: me on a train telling stories around a.
Speaker 1: Fire, yeah, I love that.
Speaker 3: Nothing's better than that. Marveling at sunlight through leaves. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I feel that and finally wonderment at the brightness of
Speaker 3: a full moon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, these feel very Looking up always feels priest oric
Speaker 2: to me.
Speaker 1: It does.
Speaker 2: Just trying to assess what the weather is doing when
Speaker 2: the clouds are rolling in.
Speaker 1: What does that mean?
Speaker 2: That all feels real? Ancient?
Speaker 1: It with flex and frimes on Kada. Britney Spears is
Speaker 1: my Roman Empire? What does that mean?
Speaker 3: I think about Britney Spears probably once a day. Yes,
Speaker 3: she's listed on my feed, Yes she is my screensaver.
Speaker 3: But I just always wanted to be Britney Spears and
Speaker 3: I was growing up, so I think that still impacts me.
Speaker 3: Her highly anticipated memoir is out. It's called The Woman
Speaker 3: in Me and it reveals intimate details about her life,
Speaker 3: including her infidelity while dating Justin tim Blake and her
Speaker 3: relationship with drugs and alcohol.
Speaker 2: And this is where I'm confused, because for the last
Speaker 2: year people have been like, isn't she dead? Is she
Speaker 2: really alive? Well, she's just drumming up pr for the
Speaker 2: book release because I'm not understanding what Because from my understanding,
Speaker 2: it's not a huge Britney fan, so I don't follow her.
Speaker 2: She's not on my timeline. I don't really know what
Speaker 2: has happened. And if not for the conservativeship, I wouldn't
Speaker 2: have been across anything Britney. But when the conspiracy started
Speaker 2: coming out, it was because she was very active on
Speaker 2: social media and then she kind of disappeared and more
Speaker 2: information started coming out, and it was just painting her
Speaker 2: reality in such a disruptive light. The people just like
Speaker 2: she can't be okay, like she can't be, she can't
Speaker 2: be supported right now, who's looking out for her? But
Speaker 2: then now she's doing a book that's a tell all,
Speaker 2: and in order to really write a tell all, there's
Speaker 2: so much red tape, like you would have to you're
Speaker 2: putting yourself in so much legal strife in order to
Speaker 2: tell these things, which makes me seem that everything else
Speaker 2: to this date was just pr because like how when
Speaker 2: the whole world was like where is Brittany, what's up?
Speaker 2: Like why isn't she posting? Why hasn't she said anything
Speaker 2: like please quell our suspicions that you are well and
Speaker 2: not dead, she didn't say anything. And now she's writing
Speaker 2: a whole book talking about infidelity, drugs and alcohol.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's because she was like gearing up for Yeah,
Speaker 3: That's why I went a bit silent when I'm writing
Speaker 3: my book.
Speaker 1: You can't silent. Help me out of it.
Speaker 3: Okay, So she shares some stuff about the Justin Timblake relationship. Yes,
Speaker 3: their first kiss was on the Mickey Mouse Club party set.
Speaker 2: Oh how old were they?
Speaker 3: Do?
Speaker 2: We know?
Speaker 1: Like teenagers?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: She claims to both her and Tim Blake run faithful.
Speaker 3: During some point in their three year relationship, she had
Speaker 3: an affair with the choreographer.
Speaker 2: This is just a lot to release to the world unprovoked,
Speaker 2: unless she didn't even write and she was set up.
Speaker 3: He broke her, broke up with her over text message.
Speaker 3: Justin Yeah, I was described as a harlot who'd broken
Speaker 3: the heart of America's golden boy. The truth is I
Speaker 3: was Combatos and Louisiana and he was happily running around Hollywood.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 1: Her relationship with drugs and alcohol. I was thinking about
Speaker 1: this the other day.
Speaker 3: Remember how there was those photos of her hanging out
Speaker 3: with Paris Hilton and Lindsay Lowell and they went on
Speaker 3: that night out. It got me thinking, Like when I
Speaker 3: was a kid, I was like, oh my god, she's
Speaker 3: off through hour, she's partying, so much like that was
Speaker 3: one night.
Speaker 1: Guys, she went out for one night and.
Speaker 3: Probably had like one one, maybe one two minus during
Speaker 3: school might say she was just partying with the girls
Speaker 3: one night.
Speaker 1: Some of us has it haunted her?
Speaker 3: Bro we're doing that every weekend, twice a weekend place.
Speaker 3: Who were we to judge? Also her in Paris are
Speaker 3: good mates currently? Yeah, allegedly go Britney. You're a massive
Speaker 3: fan of Britney spears. Yes, Brittany, you can do it.
Speaker 1: You're listening to Flex and Rooms on kit.
Speaker 2: The topic of the day is hand holding.
Speaker 1: Do you do it?
Speaker 2: Do you believe in it? Or do you just not
Speaker 2: like the feeling of two bodies meeting and creating a
Speaker 2: sense of shared sweat and secretion. Look, I'm not sure,
Speaker 2: but a woman called Ellie Rallo has a theory about
Speaker 2: the way that you hold hands and what it says
Speaker 2: about the status of your relationship. It isn't your litmus test.
Speaker 2: Don't take it too seriously, or take it very seriously
Speaker 2: and put it in your group chats. I recommend, but
Speaker 2: listen to this. I just want to make one thing
Speaker 2: abundantly clear.
Speaker 3: This is something there a very different than this. This
Speaker 3: is giving like last night we said I love you
Speaker 3: for the first time.
Speaker 1: Now we can stop saying it. We can't keep our
Speaker 1: hands off each other.
Speaker 3: We've mutually agreed that this is the best lay of
Speaker 3: our lives.
Speaker 1: This is we hate each other, but we're still together
Speaker 1: because it's convenient.
Speaker 2: And so obviously that requires a visual that you don't have.
Speaker 2: But what she's going on to say is that when
Speaker 2: you hold hands with all the fingers intertwined like an
Speaker 2: unbreakable lock, that projects the world that you are flirty
Speaker 2: and intimate and sensual and fun and you're really enjoying
Speaker 2: the partner you have put yourself in an unbreakable lock
Speaker 2: because you want to be there now. The alternative is
Speaker 2: the scooping handhold, where you kind of put your hand
Speaker 2: in a lego man motion and you attach it to
Speaker 2: someone else's hand in a lego man motion, and you
Speaker 2: hold hands that way.
Speaker 1: Love.
Speaker 2: Something about that feels begrudging, a little bit like a
Speaker 2: parent holding a child's hand dragging it across the roads
Speaker 2: so it doesn't get run over by it oncoming vehicle.
Speaker 2: It's not really sexy, it's not really sad, and it
Speaker 2: feels a little bit like an obligation. If I must
Speaker 2: hold your hand. I'll do it in the least enticing
Speaker 2: way possible. But can I present to you a third
Speaker 2: secret option people don't do enough. I'm a big fan
Speaker 2: of it. I might have I might have pioneered it
Speaker 2: in my day.
Speaker 1: Major.
Speaker 2: I love a handhold, I really do. But I don't
Speaker 2: like feeling like I have to now adjust my gate,
Speaker 2: my walk, my tempo all for somebody else. So we
Speaker 2: can pretend that we're comfortable sandwiched next to each other.
Speaker 2: So I recommend holding pinkies. Get their pinky, connect it
Speaker 2: with your pinky. You have so much extra leeway. It's cute,
Speaker 2: it's light, there's no hand sweat, doesn't matter about your
Speaker 2: hand sizes, there's no bad way, like you know when
Speaker 2: you're holding someone's hand. There's a side you want to
Speaker 2: be on, like you want to be behind, you don't
Speaker 2: want to be in front either way. I recommend holding pinkies.
Speaker 2: And if you're not concerned about any one of these things,
Speaker 2: just pay attention to the world around you. What does
Speaker 2: people's body language say about the experience that they're having,
Speaker 2: especially when they're with other people.
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 2: I don't know good reveal.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do that pinky thing.
Speaker 2: Pinkies are really good. You gotta call them pinkies though
Speaker 2: it's like handholding, like you don't really address when it's happened.
Speaker 2: You just kind of do it. But pinky is you
Speaker 2: need to ask for a consent, so you hold your pinky
Speaker 2: up in the asa pinkies and then someone said yes,
Speaker 2: then you know you grasp pinky sinkies.
Speaker 1: Oh it's sweet, ladies and gentlemen. It's time for Flexi's
Speaker 1: Big Question of the.
Speaker 2: Week that is correct. It's been going well every week.
Speaker 2: I pose a big question that gets you to think
Speaker 2: about what you believe in, why you believe in it,
Speaker 2: and who's influencing the way that you think. A couple
Speaker 2: of weeks ago, I pose the question what's an incorrect
Speaker 2: assumption people make about you that you use to your advantage?
Speaker 2: And you got heaps and heaps and heaps of really
Speaker 2: good responses, like people think I'm nicer than I really am,
Speaker 2: or people think I'm quite wealthy and I'm not. It
Speaker 2: was amazing, but I got a really great dm from
Speaker 2: this person. I'm going to live mononymous because I didn't
Speaker 2: ask for their consent to share their name. Nice but
Speaker 2: I did ask for their consent to share this message.
Speaker 2: They said, hey, flex, I know this is nothing new,
Speaker 2: but your episode about bad characteristics that serve you had
Speaker 2: me thinking, what are some good characteristics that work against you?
Speaker 2: Like for me, I'm considered reliable and smart and as
Speaker 2: a child, I was left to figure out things on
Speaker 2: my own, and it happens to me in academic environment
Speaker 2: even when I ask for help, which is something that
Speaker 2: I struggle to do. I also had a friend say
Speaker 2: they need reassurance, and when I told them that everyone
Speaker 2: I encounter thinks the world of him and that he's kind,
Speaker 2: he sighed and said that made him feel like he
Speaker 2: needs to do more. I don't think it's anything new,
Speaker 2: but it's still interesting and I think you could hear
Speaker 2: some interesting answer from different people. Hopefully no one talks
Speaker 2: about how hard it is to be pretty, which it
Speaker 2: is to take care And then I said, obviously you're
Speaker 2: a genius. Thanks for sharing note to self, this is
Speaker 2: the new question of the week. But then they also
Speaker 2: went on to say, it also makes me think of
Speaker 2: how you as inflex me speaking struggles as a lively person,
Speaker 2: and people see you as a form of entertainment. Without
Speaker 2: considering that you're also a person as well. Please knock
Speaker 2: yourself out again. Thank you for the content and the pod.
Speaker 2: Please say hi to Frooms and producer Mikhaela for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, MICKI gets a lot of shout ousley. Yeah
Speaker 1: good reason.
Speaker 2: Number one fans thank you and so for that reason
Speaker 2: and for that reason, Flexi's big question of this week
Speaker 2: is what are some good qualities or personality traits that
Speaker 2: you have that are working against you?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Can I share mine?
Speaker 3: Of course, people are thinking that I make them so comfortable,
Speaker 3: and they think they can just think that I'm easy.
Speaker 1: We talked about this before.
Speaker 2: I think it was when we were having conversations, maybe
Speaker 2: earlier this year or last year, when I said I
Speaker 2: don't want people to be their most comfortable self around me.
Speaker 2: You didn't understand what I meant by that. No, I didn't,
Speaker 2: And like, I don't want people feeling as though they
Speaker 2: can drop their guard because what often happens that we
Speaker 2: associate comfort with bad behavior. Yes, and so it's like
Speaker 2: you become inarticulate or grubby or not consider it. And
Speaker 2: then while you, the person being all these things, finds
Speaker 2: a level of safety in doing so, because oh gosh,
Speaker 2: it feels good to just let it all hang loose.
Speaker 2: You're now burdening with someone with the real version of you.
Speaker 1: Yes, please touch it to wake chuck it in.
Speaker 2: Thank you. So what will happen is that on our
Speaker 2: Instagram Flex and Rooms, on our story, we'll put up
Speaker 2: a question box and that's where you can put your answers,
Speaker 2: and then this time on Thursday will read out some
Speaker 2: of the responses we've gotten. And they're always so good.
Speaker 2: I'm honestly very grateful that everybody gets involved and remains
Speaker 2: enthusiastic with it. So have a think about it, put
Speaker 2: in your group chats and let us know what you think.
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