1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:01,000 Speaker 1: Podcast. 2 00:00:01,560 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 2: You nine our voices. 3 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 3: Quick heads up. 4 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 4: This podcast can sometimes get a bit rough on bros 5 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:08,399 Speaker 4: and cons. We talk about real life and we're committed 6 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 4: to having open conversations with no filter. Some experiences and 7 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 4: tastes can be challenging to digest, so if you're easily raddled, 8 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 4: you probably want to see this one out. Listener Discretion 9 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 4: is advice support is always available. You can contact Lifeline 10 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 4: on thirteen eleven fourteen or thirteen Young on one Thing 11 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 4: nine two seven six for Aboriginal or toy straight Islanders. 12 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:27,480 Speaker 3: All right, let's get. 13 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 1: It picking youtues. You want to with a coup with 14 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 1: a cool cons. 15 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 2: We moved a queen, very very special guest Musa. We're 16 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 2: here with Musa today. 17 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 3: Boys. 18 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:51,840 Speaker 5: Oh, I'm very excited to have this guy on. Then 19 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 5: we get way back. A lot of people don't know 20 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 5: what this guy was. 21 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 6: This guy was there at the very start. Welcome back again. 22 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 6: You are what ing bros and cons. I'm here with 23 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 6: our very first guests Mussa and obviously we're back here 24 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:10,959 Speaker 6: again with Malick. Shout out to Mussa man for being 25 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 6: the first guest to come on this show. 26 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:15,839 Speaker 5: Very and these guys actually know each other. 27 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 6: Malleck and also you know they go a long way back, back, 28 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 6: way back then. 29 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the perfect place to be when the 30 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 2: area get excited. 31 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 5: Is it gonna love hearing this? 32 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 3: Yeah? 33 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 2: I need all the boys in the area come and 34 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 2: support life sharing comment and yeah, leave you with that. 35 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 2: This is bros and cons. You're listening to manic. 36 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:35,319 Speaker 3: There, guys. 37 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 5: It's so. 38 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 3: I just wanted to say thank you to the boys 39 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 3: for letting me on this podcast. And I don't think 40 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 3: i'm movie enough to be that. 41 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 5: This is the perfect, perfect, perfect guy, one. 42 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 3: Hundred percent of privilege for me to be here. 43 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 5: Thank you boys, from boys to men. 44 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:53,919 Speaker 3: It's a long story. 45 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 5: Yeah, we go way back. 46 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 3: How long we are here? 47 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 5: I said, God, we're gonna it's the time. 48 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 2: But fuck, I couldn't even get to catch up much 49 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 2: with the brother over the year, but I hopelly, we'll 50 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 2: catch up a bit after. We basically want to let 51 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 2: you guys tune in on and everything as we go, 52 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 2: you know, Yeah. 53 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 5: Let's see. 54 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 2: Anyways, we cut it there and we'll get into our 55 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 2: first segment and conversion story. When I was young, I 56 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 2: know this guy by a different name. I was about 57 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 2: to drop his name but leave it, leave it running. 58 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:29,920 Speaker 2: I know this guy from when I was young. The 59 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 2: first time I made this bloke, you'd be surprised. I 60 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 2: got arrested in Paramatta. It was Paramatta. It was about 61 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 2: sixteen years old. I don't know if this guy remembers it, 62 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 2: but I got arrested. And the thing about Islanders, you know, 63 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:46,079 Speaker 2: as we were talking about before running, there was always 64 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 2: tension between islanders and areas and gangs and this and that, 65 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 2: so there was a little bit of attention. Like and 66 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 2: like I was sixteen at that time. I'm thinking my 67 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:58,639 Speaker 2: first time in the I think it was a police station. 68 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 2: I'm walking in. I see this another another islander. 69 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 5: It was this guy. And the next he was in 70 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 5: the next fish tank. He's standing there looking at me. 71 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 2: Oh my fuck. You know, here's this guy. He comes 72 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 2: up to me. He's like, hey, what's your name? You know, 73 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:14,519 Speaker 2: it was the first time ever introducing ourselves to each other. 74 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 2: I remember he was living in Burralla back then. I 75 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 2: was living in Bralla as well. Basically, we we caught up. 76 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 2: We like, we were happy to see another islander. You know, 77 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 2: we're birth, We're both in the fish tanks and somehow 78 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 2: I met this guy. I met up with this guy 79 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 2: after after the police station. Well, that was the first 80 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:33,839 Speaker 2: time I met this guy. 81 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 5: Do you remember that time? 82 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 3: I remember the police station, but I remember saying to you, hey, 83 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 3: I remember you remember you're walking down? 84 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that's how. And then fucking it sort of 85 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 5: broke the ice between us. 86 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, got comfortable, but I literally just remember that all 87 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 2: this stuff on my way here. 88 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 3: Crazy you're with the other Joey the African one. 89 00:03:55,440 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was fucking multiculture to back then. 90 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 2: Bro Like we basically anyone that was from the area 91 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 2: were meeting up and it was like it was hey, 92 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 2: you know, because we had a big trust for each other. 93 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 5: I've got to ask you. 94 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 2: What were you doing in a polaystation when I when 95 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 2: I'm going to a police station. It was one of 96 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 2: my first fighting in Paramatta. But this when I was 97 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:18,839 Speaker 2: a little ship and I thought it was like, you know, 98 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:22,239 Speaker 2: I'm going to make a name for myself first first 99 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:25,840 Speaker 2: by lugging going to walk past. Well, I was a 100 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 2: little junkie back then, astened for a cigarette. Bang, he 101 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 2: doesn't want to give me them. We end up fighting 102 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 2: on Paramatta a lot of times when I was younger, 103 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:35,919 Speaker 2: this guy actually showed me the ropes. I knew he 104 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 2: was a bit more advanced in the game. You know, 105 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:40,919 Speaker 2: if you mean anyone in the police station, you know 106 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 2: that they're al really advancing the game, you know, proper criminals. 107 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 2: This guy used to show me a lot of the 108 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 2: ropes when we were younger. He should show me a 109 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 2: lot of the ropes. And I always knew. I always 110 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 2: knew that because he was showing me the robes. I 111 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 2: always knew he was that leader, top of person. And 112 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:01,039 Speaker 2: like now I'm not surprised that he's he's got a 113 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 2: big name and Islamic community, and he's he has big 114 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 2: influence on a lot of boys. And it makes sense 115 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 2: to me because you you were that top of guys. 116 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 2: You know, you're always showing younger boys of robes. And say, 117 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 2: I remember, like even back in those days. You know, 118 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 2: even I wasn't a Muslim, but I remember when we 119 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 2: used to drink up parks and stuff. 120 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 3: We used to debate over these things. Debate like just 121 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:32,719 Speaker 3: kick back at parks and just just jam guitars and stuff, 122 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:35,799 Speaker 3: and the topic will come up. He believe in Jesus. 123 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 3: I used to tell them, Yeah, it doesn't make sense 124 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 3: to me. You know, I wasn't even a Muslim at 125 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:42,799 Speaker 3: that time. I didn't. 126 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you were always aware of your religious background. 127 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:51,479 Speaker 5: Crazy because you were. You would have never thought of 128 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:51,919 Speaker 5: that stuff. 129 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 2: Because the stuff that we used to get back to 130 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 2: back then, there was no way like anyone on the 131 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 2: out side, we'll think we're talking about religion. But we 132 00:05:58,680 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 2: were always curious people. 133 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. 134 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 2: And it's crazy how I always come and where. 135 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 3: And there was always be you and X. Yeah, very Musketeers, 136 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 3: even though Joey first, but LyX had a lot more 137 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 3: in common. Yeah, our birthday is actually the same. These 138 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 3: two always used to talk about the younger brother at home. 139 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, when God he goes up, he's going to come with. 140 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:35,840 Speaker 3: I remember we used to go to to your mom 141 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 3: and dad's house and Ron used to be there. Yeah, 142 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 3: and he used to always I could see it on 143 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:42,280 Speaker 3: his face he would want to come with us. 144 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:45,719 Speaker 6: He and I used to see these boys come around 145 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 6: like fuck better, all these boys when they wearing black Woodies, 146 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 6: black track pants, they just like fun. 147 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:55,039 Speaker 3: I want to be there, but I want to go there. 148 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:59,279 Speaker 2: It's crazy and me, me and joy Lex have always 149 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 2: had a lock of Christian background, say, very strong Christian background, 150 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 2: even though were all three of us were up to 151 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 2: no good where there was a topic that would come 152 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 2: up often. And it's just crazy because now this guy 153 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:15,559 Speaker 2: has got a big influence in the community. I remember 154 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 2: him asking about it. This is how five coming. We're 155 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 2: actually to be honest, I'm proud of you, right, I'm 156 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 2: proud of that. 157 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 5: Okay, how five come as a man? 158 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 2: But everything is looking good? And you know that's what 159 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 2: I managed to me. But what I want to get 160 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 2: into is how did at what point in your life 161 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 2: did you decide to sort of change? 162 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 5: Nah? 163 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 3: So I got out from carry on the JUVI Maximum 164 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 3: Juvenile Detention Center here up in the Gosford and I 165 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 3: basically just got told by police and by JJ's They 166 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 3: pretty much told me you got three days to leave 167 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 3: the country. You got to sign into a proby in 168 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 3: New Zealand. So I went to New Zealand. When I 169 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 3: got to New Zealand, a fool luck had an idea 170 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 3: in my head that I was going to join the 171 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 3: army or I was going to be a firefighter. You know, 172 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 3: I wanted to change. Then before you left, you were 173 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 3: already thinking of I was already thinking of changing. But 174 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 3: by the time I got to New Zealand and I 175 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 3: looked up online like if I was eligible to, you know, 176 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 3: join the army and stuff. They told me, nah, you 177 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 3: gotta have a year ten certificate. 178 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 5: You guy's got certificate. 179 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 3: And so I just took the steps of I'm trying 180 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 3: to gain that year ten certificate in New Zealand. So 181 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 3: I applied to a course. I started going to a course. 182 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 3: But you know, while I was studying this course and 183 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 3: studying at this course, I was studying business. And while 184 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 3: I was there, I got mixed in with the wrong crowd. 185 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:55,679 Speaker 3: And I could talk about this because you know, I've 186 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 3: already done time for it and stuff. But I was 187 00:08:58,040 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 3: real close with one of the docors there, and he 188 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 3: comes up to me and he says, look, I just 189 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 3: got suspended, but I got no ride home, you know, 190 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 3: come with me. And so me being the guy, you know, 191 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 3: trying to prove myself to absolutely nobody, who could you 192 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 3: know what I mean? So I followed him and I 193 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 3: was like, look, let's go get some money, and and 194 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 3: me and him pretty much there was a bank and 195 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 3: there was a shop. Instead of walking into the bank, 196 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 3: we rubbed the shop with it and we had nothing 197 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 3: on us. We jumped the counter, We ran in there. 198 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 3: He went straight for the till and I was always 199 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 3: crowd control, you know, And I got done for that 200 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 3: two weeks later. So when we jumped the counter the 201 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 3: first time we jumped the counter, I jumped in and 202 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 3: no hands on the desk. I just leaped the counter, 203 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 3: and the docs followed me, followed behind me, and he 204 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 3: leaped the counter as well. But when I was jumping 205 00:09:56,920 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 3: from the counter going out, and I used my hand 206 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 3: to jump the counter, and they must have seen that 207 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 3: on on the CCTV, and they ran my prints from 208 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:10,719 Speaker 3: when I leveraged myself to get over the kelenter. He 209 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 3: used to just doing gloves, no gloves, nothing. We just 210 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 3: came from school, you know. 211 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 5: Of course. 212 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 3: And then yeah, we ended up getting away. And while 213 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:22,199 Speaker 3: I was exiting the shop, there was a man that 214 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 3: was looking at me and he was saying robbery, robbery, robbery, robbery. 215 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 3: Pull in his hand, he chucked it. He missed me, 216 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 3: but he got the wall and then bounced on my 217 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 3: head and then he was just screaming robbery, robbery. And 218 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 3: in the shop I found these pair of scissors and 219 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 3: I was just running with these pair of scisors, and 220 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 3: people thought that I had a gun. So we got 221 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 3: away that night. We ended up going into a car park, 222 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 3: probably about two g's one g each, but I just 223 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 3: gave him his bust my knee, that's alarm ride home. 224 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 3: And so when I was inside, you know, I was 225 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 3: thinking to myself, you know, is this what life really 226 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 3: is about? You know, I'm going in and out, in 227 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 3: and out. Like you said, you know, I started from young, 228 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 3: you know, Yeah, run me through that phase when you 229 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 3: just you just pumped me through. You just pumped the job. 230 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 3: You're Johnally, it's pumping you've gotten away. It's always that 231 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 3: that time after we really think for your things. 232 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 2: Today you're counting your money and what exactly are you're 233 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 2: thinking in that moment when you can in your money 234 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 2: and you're thinking about what. 235 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 5: You just did and how you got away. 236 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, at that point in time, you don't really think, 237 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 3: but you kind of just appreciate first that you've just 238 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 3: got away. Yeah, and then you kind of regret that 239 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 3: you're like still doing that and still trying to run 240 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 3: away from police. And now I had a clean record over 241 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 3: there in New Zealand, and so I was not only 242 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 3: being grateful that I got away, but also in regret 243 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 3: that I'm still doing the same. 244 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 5: Because it's in the back of your head that place 245 00:11:58,320 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 5: can Yeah, we'll catch up. 246 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 3: And police will come catch me. And I was just 247 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 3: regretting that my mom's going to find out, my dad's 248 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 3: going to find out. Yeah, and when they find out, 249 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 3: they're not going to be happy with me. And they 250 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:11,079 Speaker 3: all made them move over to New Zealand to help 251 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 3: me change, you know, no way. 252 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:18,079 Speaker 2: So well, God bless your parents, man, I was so 253 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 2: I'm spilled. I didn't get to meet them. 254 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 3: I think Jay Lex met my dad. 255 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:26,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've never got to meet them. When you met 256 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 2: my parents, like it was, I was very happy because 257 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 2: I wanted him to see where we actually came from, 258 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 2: a good family. This guy, I didn't get to meet 259 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:36,959 Speaker 2: his parents. So when I've seen his parents online, I 260 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:39,680 Speaker 2: think you put a video talking about your parents. I 261 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 2: was like, but what a bad kund He's got a 262 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 2: family this time. I mean, this guy would like we're 263 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 2: on the streets, but that is sometimes you know, this 264 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 2: whole time, he's got a family. 265 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 5: I was like, God bless them by anyways, you know. 266 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 3: And so while I was over there. You know, I 267 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 3: just thought after I was doing my time for this 268 00:12:56,240 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 3: robbery that I did, and I was just figuring to myself, 269 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 3: you know, I can't keep up with this life, you know, 270 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 3: I can't keep doing this. I'm over eighteen now, I'm 271 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 3: eighteen at the time, and probably this is like two 272 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 3: years within like in my leg and I'm just I remember, 273 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 3: I was just lying there and I was just thinking 274 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:17,319 Speaker 3: to myself, and I've joined the prison gang. 275 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: You know. 276 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 3: By this time, I'm in a prison game. 277 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:21,839 Speaker 5: So you were in there for two years, three and 278 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 5: a half, three and a half. 279 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 3: My second year in you know, I'm in a prison gang. 280 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 3: I just left maximum security and all out war was 281 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:32,719 Speaker 3: just about to kick off of one of the other 282 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 3: prison gangs, and I was just thinking to myself, but 283 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 3: I can't keep up with this, you know, I can't 284 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 3: keep doing this stuff. You know. So I actually devoted 285 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 3: myself to Christianity first. I actually wanted to become like 286 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 3: a developed Christian you know that, right, crazy story. Yeah, 287 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 3: I wanted to like devote myself to Christianity. Not Christianity 288 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 3: as a whole, not not Christianity in itself, but I 289 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 3: wanted to devote what my ideal of what God was, 290 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 3: the idea of what God was at the time, and 291 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 3: so and to me at that time was Christianity. That's 292 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 3: all I knew. So I actually started reading the Bible, 293 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 3: and I actually created a relationship with the librarian in 294 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 3: prison over there, and he was giving me books to read. 295 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 3: And when I got out. By the time I got out, 296 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 3: I left Christianity because you know, I started reading, and 297 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 3: I started reading across stuff, stuff that I couldn't really digest. 298 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 3: So I just thought I came to a conclusion, you know, 299 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 3: that God isn't real. 300 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 5: So you went like for a Christian phase and then 301 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 5: sort of an atheist. 302 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 3: Atheist phase because out of all this reading that I 303 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 3: was doing, like, I wasn't gaining like proper understanding of 304 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 3: what the Bible was saying to me, you know what 305 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 3: I mean, and and and the books behind it of 306 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 3: where the Bible came from, where where these stories come from, 307 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 3: And nothing was adding up to me. So I decided 308 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 3: to come to a conclusion God's not real. Yeah, And 309 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 3: I got out twenty nineteen. Yeah, got help. So this 310 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 3: is after the three years after the freeze, and so 311 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 3: I got out. Uh, Aaron Aaron, my older brother. Oh yeah, 312 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 3: he followed me over to New Zealand that same me. 313 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 3: Oh say yeah, I was still coming see her, and 314 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 3: he wanted to come and see me, you know, and 315 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 3: I picked him up from the airport, and I was 316 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 3: still associated with this prison game, yeah, you know, And 317 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 3: so he was telling me, like, what's what's the story 318 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 3: of this prison game that you're in. I was like, no, 319 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 3: you know, we're nothing outside, but we're big inside. 320 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 2: But on the outside it's sort of like the games here, 321 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 2: like a lot of them are very strong on the inside. 322 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 5: They get out and then. 323 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 3: You can do your own thing. Yeah, once you come 324 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 3: back in, you kind of slide. 325 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, you've got to get back. Yeah, yeah, I'm back. 326 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, so you're still affiliated in your butt camin senr. 327 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 2: Yeah that's crazy. 328 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 3: But came and see me, and that whole time, my 329 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 3: brother was a Muslim, as your mother was already already 330 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 3: a Muslim. 331 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 5: No one knew, not even me and you knew, you know, yeah. 332 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 3: No one knew. None of the boys knew that it 333 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 3: was Muslim. My parents didn't know. No one knew. Then 334 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 3: he told me like, like, I do you believe in God? 335 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 3: I was like, nah, you know, like I've read all that. 336 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 3: And at this time, I thought he was asking me 337 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 3: as a Christian. Yeah, he's telling me, like, but I'm 338 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 3: not a Christian. Have you looked into Islam? And I 339 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 3: was like, oh, just like that, you know. And we 340 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 3: grew up around Muslims, you know, in the area, and 341 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 3: we obviously see Muslims inside. 342 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 5: Yeah. 343 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 3: I just thought they were just like us, but just 344 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 3: from Arabia, Yeah, exactly. 345 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 5: Yeah. 346 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 3: I just thought it was just a religion for them 347 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 3: and we had our Yeah, that's it. And I just 348 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 3: thought like all rivers led to the ocean kind of thing. Yeah, 349 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 3: and they were just on one river and they on 350 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 3: one Yeah, and we're all meeting at the same place. 351 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 3: And he goes, nah, you know, and he explained to 352 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 3: me about Islam, and he told me something I'll never forget. 353 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 3: He told me, every religion will promise you or safe 354 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 3: haven to paradise, and it will grant you a free ticket, 355 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:11,880 Speaker 3: and you will not go to help. And he said 356 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 3: except the Slam. He said to me that Muslims also 357 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 3: go to hill to keep us always forever in check. 358 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:22,199 Speaker 3: And I was like, well, like, you can do all 359 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 3: your worship, you can pray five times a day. You 360 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:26,880 Speaker 3: can fast all these months of Ramadan and you can 361 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 3: still think that you're going to Hell. He's like, yeah, 362 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 3: I can still go to hill. Yeah, this is a 363 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 3: religion of accountability. You know what, I'll become a Muslim 364 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 3: and I'll check it out. 365 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because it's too I think it's that. I 366 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 2: think it's the moment church that they don't really believe 367 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:46,360 Speaker 2: in the hell. There's like three celestial kingdoms four. Yeah, 368 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 2: there's a few different there's a few different types of 369 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:52,360 Speaker 2: types of Christians. But yeah, I'm definitely on the same 370 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 2: page if there's definitely a hell. But you know, and 371 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 2: that makes sense that he's like he's encouraged you to 372 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:00,080 Speaker 2: be good because there is a hell, you know. Yeah, 373 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 2: is saying he's he's walking you through all of these 374 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:04,120 Speaker 2: the first time. 375 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 5: He must have been excited about as a younger brother, 376 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:07,200 Speaker 5: you know. 377 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent. Like, you know, I've never seen 378 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:13,400 Speaker 3: my older brother cry. And when I used to watch 379 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:15,879 Speaker 3: him pray, and this is at the time that I 380 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 3: wasn't a Muslim at the time. He was just telling 381 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:19,680 Speaker 3: me about it. You know, I used to watch him 382 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 3: pray and put his head on the ground, and he 383 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:24,159 Speaker 3: used to cry, you know, and when he used to 384 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 3: get up and finish his prayer, and used to ask 385 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:30,640 Speaker 3: him like, what are you crying about? What happened? 386 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:30,879 Speaker 5: You know? 387 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 3: And then he used to just tell me like, I 388 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 3: don't worry about it, you know. But now it's a Muslim, 389 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 3: I understand why he's crying, and and what he was 390 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:44,440 Speaker 3: trying to achieve was to make me and my parents Muslims. 391 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 3: I say, he's always had that sort of hard. 392 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 5: Fuck. 393 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:50,640 Speaker 2: It must be hard for you guys, just knowing that 394 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 2: in the back of your heads, Like it must be 395 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 2: because I couldn't imagine if like if we believe it, say, 396 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:00,680 Speaker 2: we believe in something and other siblings believe in something else. 397 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 2: Very crazy, but good on, good on you's for staying 398 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:05,920 Speaker 2: strong men. 399 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:08,120 Speaker 5: Fuck would have been hard. Man. 400 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 2: So how did you go from your brother telling you like, 401 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 2: I guess it's just the just the biggest question. What 402 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 2: was it like when you first when you first approached 403 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:21,360 Speaker 2: your pearance with this. So I was actually praying with 404 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:23,400 Speaker 2: my brother. I was I didn't know what I was doing. 405 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:25,640 Speaker 3: I was just following him and we had the garage 406 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 3: halfway and were praying in the garage, and I could 407 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 3: hear my parents' car coming up the driveway, and I 408 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 3: was thinking to myself, you know, I was thinking to myself. 409 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:37,679 Speaker 3: I didn't know what I was saying, I didn't know 410 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 3: what I was doing. But I just remember just looking 411 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 3: at Aaron, like because I'm not running here, yeah. And 412 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:55,400 Speaker 3: I remember just my brother just like not paying any 413 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 3: attention to me. And I could tell by the way 414 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:00,400 Speaker 3: he was praying, like just telling me through his prayer, 415 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 3: like don't move, you know, just stay there. And I 416 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 3: just stood there and I just watched him, and I 417 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 3: followed him, and I remember we got down into prostration 418 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 3: on with our heads on the floor, and my dad 419 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 3: I could hear him walking through the house and he 420 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 3: came and he opened up the door and looked at 421 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 3: me and he closed the door behind him, just looking 422 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:28,440 Speaker 3: at my brother and I and just I don't know 423 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 3: what was going through his head, but the door was 424 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 3: opened for a wie. I thought he was gonna you know, 425 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 3: I thought he was going to kick me in there, honestly. 426 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. 427 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 3: So but now, you know, like I'm real close with 428 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:48,920 Speaker 3: my parents now, very proud of how far I've come, 429 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:52,159 Speaker 3: and you know, you know, yourself. Yeah, what type of 430 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:57,479 Speaker 3: person I was back then and honestly giving me, you know, 431 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 3: something to not do such bad things. 432 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, the awesome news but especially yeah, you're going coming. 433 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 5: To where you are now from where we were, but fuck, 434 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 5: there was some dark times. Now there was real very 435 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 5: like I would assume they'll be very happy with you. Man. 436 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 2: The cultural fusion. We want to talk about Islanders made 437 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 2: in Islam. I noticed that you had a few Islanders 438 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 2: that jumped on board. Have you sort of influences as well? 439 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:27,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, one hundred percent. So you know, once I 440 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 3: became a Muslim, you know, I got done. I got 441 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 3: done with free away in my boot. I got pulled over, 442 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 3: and I remember while I was going to court for it, 443 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 3: I thought I was going back inside and I just asked, 444 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:49,119 Speaker 3: my lord. I was like, look, if you gave me 445 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:52,359 Speaker 3: off this one, I'll devote my life to you, you know, like, 446 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:55,400 Speaker 3: I'll do absolutely anything everything, I'll do it all. I'll 447 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 3: call the people. 448 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. 449 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,360 Speaker 5: I think I think we've all been in that stage once. 450 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:02,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, but that was the one last time you get 451 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 2: down like, oh my god, please let me off this sun, 452 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:06,119 Speaker 2: let this slad. 453 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:10,160 Speaker 5: I'll start. 454 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 3: I was in that situation. And I remember I me 455 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 3: and my brother were outside of the courtroom and my 456 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:19,359 Speaker 3: brother was trying to teach me supplications like how to 457 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 3: ask God to ease my situation and stuff. And then 458 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 3: by the time I went in there, the judge looked 459 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:28,439 Speaker 3: at me and said, look, he's still twenty two. I 460 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 3: can see you had no previous record before your first leg, 461 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,399 Speaker 3: and I think we're pretty harsh with you in that 462 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 3: first leg, so we're actually going to give you a 463 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:39,400 Speaker 3: chance this time, you know, and this firearm and everything. 464 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 3: The judge told me, look, I'll just put you on 465 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 3: a bracelet. You go home, you know, stick out this bracelet. 466 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:50,120 Speaker 3: You have to continue working by all your probation conditions 467 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:53,160 Speaker 3: and keep it up. Because he knew, like I had 468 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 3: a job, and I had letters from my company and 469 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,119 Speaker 3: Yeohle that were helping me out, trying to keep me 470 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 3: on the straight path, and the judges gave me a chance. 471 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:02,959 Speaker 3: And when I walked out of the court room, bro, 472 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 3: I just told myself, no, that's enough. 473 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, giving that man, but. 474 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:15,200 Speaker 2: Let's barely happens with Dodges man, so you always get 475 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,439 Speaker 2: that one does everything, and then that will be like 476 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 2: you know, I can see. 477 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:23,119 Speaker 3: This that doesn't exist in Australia. 478 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:24,120 Speaker 5: That makes sense. 479 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 6: You're like where where let you off, everyone knows they. 480 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 2: Is there any like, is there is that sort of 481 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:39,399 Speaker 2: easy to mix Islam and your poliness traditions together. 482 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 3: No, it's not easy. I've gotta be honest, a different 483 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:45,679 Speaker 3: it's a whole different board game, you know. So we 484 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 3: were raised on pork. Now we can't eat pop. The 485 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 3: whole family is cooking pork and we're smelling the pork, 486 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:58,919 Speaker 3: you know, yeah, you know, yeah, we can't have it. 487 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 3: And my brother and I just remember, like Christmas, parents 488 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 3: are still celebrating Christmas, you know, white Sundays every Sunday, yeah, yeah, 489 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 3: or White Sunday on the first month of every Sunday, yeah, 490 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 3: and and functions and birthdays and yeah yeah, Islam it's 491 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 3: actually forbidden for us to celebrate those things. So yeah, 492 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,400 Speaker 3: it was just a lot, you know, a lot of 493 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 3: like what do you call it, complications? You know, we 494 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 3: couldn't we couldn't attend these things, and when we had 495 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 3: to attend, it was just just to keep our parents happy, 496 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 3: you know. 497 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, man, that's that's that's crazy. I thought. 498 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 2: I always thought like because I've got my missus now 499 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:50,400 Speaker 2: is Armenian Iraqi and like her traditional values. A lot 500 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,679 Speaker 2: of their values that are similar to Polynesians, you know. 501 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:55,919 Speaker 2: So you've got that side of the type of stuff, 502 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 2: like their family, how close the families are and that. 503 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:03,479 Speaker 2: But yeah, as the religious side, it's codicting, yes. 504 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,200 Speaker 3: And I remember, I think the third time I went 505 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 3: to Fiji, like we called Muslims from Sarmur and were 506 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:20,679 Speaker 3: called Muslims from Venatu, Muslims from Muslims from Papua New Guinea, Guinea, 507 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:24,400 Speaker 3: Butty and they we all met in Fiji where and 508 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:28,920 Speaker 3: we were just like trying to, you know, inspire each 509 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 3: other on how to spread the world of Islam into 510 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 3: our Polynesian That's. 511 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 2: Crazy because you had a few tongues there. Yeah, I 512 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 2: remember following this guy. I had a few tongues. You'd 513 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 2: be shocked. But the person I always named after, his 514 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 2: name is Malik. He's my uncle's he's Muslim now. He 515 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 2: converted to Muslim. He's one of the he's the one 516 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 2: that started the first mosque in Tone. 517 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's how he got his name. 518 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 2: He converted his name to Malik, and he asked my father, 519 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 2: my dad to name me Malik. 520 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 5: My dad didn't want to name me Malik. 521 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 2: My dad was like he he didn't want to do it, 522 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 2: but my uncle was begging and begging him, and my 523 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 2: dad pulled Melick in my middle name. 524 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 5: That's how I got the name Alik, he said. 525 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 2: But we never got to see the most, right, But 526 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 2: I always knew that my uncle was doing like something, 527 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,919 Speaker 2: like he was part of the Islamic community over there 528 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 2: in Tonge. 529 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:28,680 Speaker 3: I've met the Tongue as well. 530 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:34,680 Speaker 5: Yes, well, so you were in right, No, No, I wasn't. 531 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 5: You didn't go there. 532 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 3: I didn't go. I've met the shack Stanley's grandsons as well. 533 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 5: From some more. 534 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, the founding fathers of Oslam in in the in Polynesia. 535 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 3: I've met them, you know. Yeah, yeah, but I've heard 536 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 3: some stories, but yeah, some stories, you know, Okay, especially 537 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:55,879 Speaker 3: in Tongue. 538 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:56,199 Speaker 1: You know. 539 00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 3: I heard the locals were, yeah, very upset. Yeah, the 540 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:04,880 Speaker 3: Muslims they were getting happened. Yeah. 541 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 2: I was surprised how it happened. But the boys still 542 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 2: they ground. Yeah, still the ground. It's still happening. 543 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. 544 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 6: So growing up in in Burralla, Like, what what was 545 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 6: it like growing up in Burla and the influence around Bla. 546 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 3: In those days. I don't know if Joey remembers, but 547 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 3: we used to call Brella Regions Park lit area that 548 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:35,199 Speaker 3: specific from Regions Bung to Burrella. We called that the jungle, 549 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:39,359 Speaker 3: you know. Yeah, it's because and we didn't really associate 550 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 3: ourselves with at that time, we didn't really associate ourselves 551 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 3: with the Grandville Lot and Auburn boys. You know. Yeah, 552 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 3: we didn't really kick it with them at that You know, 553 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,120 Speaker 3: we're trying to hold it down for that little three 554 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 3: suburbs in Regions and we're trying to make a name 555 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 3: for that little section. 556 00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:56,879 Speaker 1: You know. 557 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:58,479 Speaker 5: That's man, that's crazy. 558 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 3: And we're always known as as as Crims. You know, 559 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:03,640 Speaker 3: we're always known as the Crims. 560 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:03,879 Speaker 1: You know. 561 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 3: That lot was the like the drinking brawling lot. 562 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:12,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, you had the drinking boys. That's crazy money. 563 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:17,200 Speaker 3: And at that time, bro, like you know the beef 564 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:21,879 Speaker 3: between our area and and Melanie. Ye, that was actually 565 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 3: a generation before us, So we didn't feel that kind 566 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,679 Speaker 3: of tension when we're growing up. I could go to 567 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,159 Speaker 3: Melanie at any time, and they could come to our 568 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,120 Speaker 3: area anytime. Because the ones older than us, they squashed 569 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,639 Speaker 3: the beef. It's kind of like it was. It was 570 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 3: all good at that time. Man, it was actually, yeah, 571 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:44,840 Speaker 3: like everybody worked together, like I remember in a couple 572 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 3: of jobs that we've done, like our drivers were from 573 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:50,480 Speaker 3: mel Jeorge, you know, and if they needed like muscle, 574 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 3: they would always come to l Areas and ask for 575 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 3: the boys for muscle, you know, to pump. And that's 576 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 3: what it was back then. It was it was boys 577 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 3: were just trying to make money. Yeah, no one was. 578 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 3: I don't remember anyone getting yeah, well just money makers. 579 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 3: Makers I remember would always be in black Town. 580 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, it would be black Town sometimes. 581 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 3: Drinking over there, drinking with the Africans over there from 582 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 3: really you and stuff, and they could come over to 583 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 3: our ways, but really did they come out ways? 584 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 1: Yeah? 585 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 5: Really? Then then they didn't come much. 586 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 2: I think it was more and more ourbuts going to 587 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 2: that side and looking for basically pretty much. 588 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that was the influence back then. 589 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 3: You know, it was just boys were just trying to 590 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 3: be like big time criminals. We wanted our our crime 591 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 3: to come up on TV and stuff, and you know, 592 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 3: we had we wanted a story to tell when we 593 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 3: were back inside, you know. 594 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, so it. 595 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 2: Wasn't Marcus to use the biggest What would it take 596 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 2: for me to bring you back to Christianity? We go 597 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 2: way back, fair enough. I agree with some of the 598 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 2: stuff that this guy said in these videos. There's a 599 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 2: there is Islam. They're very strong in the religion, bro 600 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 2: very committed, and I think a lot of Christians can 601 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 2: learn from that as well. You know a lot of 602 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 2: I've seen them, and I've got a lot of my 603 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 2: Muslim and friends. I learn a lot from them. And 604 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 2: to be honest, like, if it wasn't for them, I 605 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 2: wouldn't be as strong as a Christian as I am now. 606 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 2: I'm not very strong, but I only dive into the Bible, 607 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:31,800 Speaker 2: and I tried to commit this stuff because I see 608 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 2: my brothers over here. They're fasting for days. 609 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 5: You know, they're really playing like everywhere they go. 610 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 6: I think that's another thing for Christians, you know, as 611 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 6: where Christians you don't see us like just praying, way 612 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 6: to go home and then we pray, you know, yeah, 613 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 6: like when we're in. 614 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 5: Our little owned spot. 615 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 6: But for the Muslims, you know, even I get inspired 616 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 6: by them just praying wherever they are. Yeah, inspiring, but yeah, 617 00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 6: it just shows how strong, their faith is gone. 618 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then it goes to show that I feel 619 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 2: like some there are Christians that are strong in the 620 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 2: in the religion, but I feel like they're probably maybe 621 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 2: the majority is sort of just letting a lot of 622 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 2: stuff slide too much, and it could probably make us 623 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 2: look weak sometimes. 624 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:14,959 Speaker 5: Right. 625 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 2: Is there anything that you agree with in the Bible 626 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 2: or in Christianity in general. 627 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 3: Anything that I agree with? Yeah, one hundred percent. There's 628 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 3: there's there's so I don't know if he's no, but 629 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 3: we actually believe in Jesus as well. 630 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 1: Yeah. 631 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, But where we you and I differ. Literally, we 632 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 3: believe in all the prophets that's mentioned in the Bible. 633 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 3: You know, we believe that we came from Adam and Eve, 634 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 3: and we believe that God gave the revelations to these prophets, 635 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 3: you know, Adam, David, MS, Moses, Jesus, and Muhammed. Peace 636 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 3: be upon them. But we believe and everything pretty much 637 00:31:54,920 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 3: what the Bible says, except where we say, no, Jesus 638 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 3: was just a man, Yeah, and you guys say no, 639 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,480 Speaker 3: Jesus was God on earth. 640 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 5: Yeah. 641 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,680 Speaker 3: And and and this is where we part ways. 642 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 6: Yeah, I think he's hit the yeah. 643 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 3: We were part ways like every that's where because even 644 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 3: even in our Islamic teachings, they tell us, our scholars, 645 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 3: our prophety tells us that the closest people for you 646 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 3: to call is the Christians because we're like neighbors. Yeah, 647 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 3: pretty much. 648 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 5: And it says that pretty much talks. 649 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:41,280 Speaker 6: About how Muslims and Christians are always within the same community, 650 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 6: you know. 651 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, because we do a lot of that 652 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 2: the same stuff as well. 653 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:46,360 Speaker 1: Yeah. 654 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 5: Man, that's crazy because I feel like I'm very very. 655 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 2: Close to someone because of their beliefs we have and 656 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 2: most because our look against bired as well. But the 657 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 2: commitment that that the boys have, but it's very important. 658 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 2: I feel like it's something that everyone can take from 659 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 2: these guys. But it's the commitment that it's very important. 660 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 2: But this is yeah, this is life. But far going 661 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,880 Speaker 2: back to that past, I actually want to we actually 662 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,280 Speaker 2: want to look more into bigger stuff right now. I 663 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 2: mean a lot of people on our last podcast asking 664 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 2: about the Babe and you know that joy is this 665 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:25,320 Speaker 2: and that and that's some people want to get far 666 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 2: far away from you know. 667 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 5: But yeah, did you have a question for us or 668 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:30,880 Speaker 5: for Ronnie? 669 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what made you want to join this on 670 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 3: the street. 671 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 5: I think it was. I think it was it. 672 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:52,200 Speaker 6: Was I feel like, yeah, oh yeah, I remember myself 673 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 6: being a good person, and I felt like it was 674 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 6: almost by It was just forcing, just the whole nature 675 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,640 Speaker 6: of everything. And I was growing up like around these 676 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 6: two and just seeing them go to Juvi. You know, 677 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 6: I kind of just went through a phase. I was 678 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,719 Speaker 6: just like, fuck, like what my brothers doing? 679 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:09,920 Speaker 1: You know? 680 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:10,760 Speaker 5: What am I doing? 681 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,880 Speaker 6: Now? Do I do I have to still be a 682 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,400 Speaker 6: good boy or you know? Or should I follow these guys? 683 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,720 Speaker 6: And so because I was young and obviously I didn't 684 00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:21,440 Speaker 6: know what I was doing. 685 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,000 Speaker 3: And as for every younger. 686 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,600 Speaker 6: Brother, they always look up to their older brothers. So 687 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,920 Speaker 6: I think that's where I felt short. And yeah, I 688 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,360 Speaker 6: was thinking to myself, you know, I wanted quick money 689 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,960 Speaker 6: and maybe do a couple of jobs in it, and 690 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,800 Speaker 6: I thought it was cool, you know, And sometimes it 691 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,759 Speaker 6: just takes you to go to prison, to hit rock 692 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:44,040 Speaker 6: bottom to realize what you know. 693 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,080 Speaker 5: And he was always that good kid, but I feel 694 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:47,799 Speaker 5: like sometimes he sort of. 695 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,760 Speaker 6: I played footy, you know, I was I was trying 696 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,960 Speaker 6: to stick to a straight path, you know, A narrow 697 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:56,799 Speaker 6: path and fuck, I don't know, man. 698 00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,399 Speaker 3: I remember the first time that we drank with this dude, 699 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,799 Speaker 3: telling and drink with him, and you know, I just 700 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,400 Speaker 3: remember watching him and I was just thinking to myself, 701 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,000 Speaker 3: like this black music guy. 702 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 1: But he good? 703 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, actually bad that he was with us. 704 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,480 Speaker 2: I'm surprised it came from him because the boys were 705 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:18,040 Speaker 2: pressed this guy as well. 706 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,799 Speaker 5: So I just remember. But do you remember carrying me 707 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:25,960 Speaker 5: home from black Town? I remember, fueh, what a soldier, bro? 708 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,600 Speaker 5: I love you for that. This guy is the biggest soldier. 709 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,200 Speaker 2: Wouldn't you have a friend that that carry you from 710 00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,120 Speaker 2: a station? 711 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:37,799 Speaker 5: And that's a too Matember. I was blacked out, bro, 712 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:38,480 Speaker 5: what happened? 713 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,319 Speaker 3: You weren't getting up and so he held the held 714 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,000 Speaker 3: the doors open, and I pretty much dragged you got 715 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:48,560 Speaker 3: your you were walking, but you just wasn't. You were 716 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,359 Speaker 3: just telling us to take me home, take me home, but. 717 00:35:51,440 --> 00:36:05,200 Speaker 7: You know what, we're just drinking, but drinking. 718 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,880 Speaker 2: And then I remember waking up home, waking up, I 719 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,480 Speaker 2: was in my bed. I was like, what a beautiful morning, 720 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:15,799 Speaker 2: And I was like, something, what is up to? But 721 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:16,799 Speaker 2: what are you sending this? 722 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:17,239 Speaker 1: Like? 723 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,839 Speaker 5: Somehow just carried you from black term all the way. 724 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:24,480 Speaker 5: If I'm black, now I gotta shit come again. 725 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 2: Jay was always doing the picture with us, But now 726 00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:33,960 Speaker 2: I can't really speak to Jake because of his bail conditions. 727 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,160 Speaker 2: So yeah, but no, I'm excited for him to see you, 728 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,880 Speaker 2: but the same way I was excited. 729 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:41,920 Speaker 5: This guy will be very happy to see this guy. 730 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,360 Speaker 5: But this guy was there? How more beginnings? How on beginnings? 731 00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:47,680 Speaker 2: Well, I wanted to ask you if you got I 732 00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:49,040 Speaker 2: have a lot of young is that I want to 733 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:50,160 Speaker 2: lead them in the right path. 734 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:54,680 Speaker 5: We call this We remember we named the bros and 735 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:56,320 Speaker 5: showing the ropes for a reason. 736 00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,560 Speaker 2: I wanted to ask if you got any words of 737 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,040 Speaker 2: encouragement you could give see some young is out there 738 00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,479 Speaker 2: who are running the same path, or who are going 739 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,120 Speaker 2: through that phase of gang banging. 740 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:09,680 Speaker 5: You know, yeah, straight out. 741 00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:17,840 Speaker 3: It's it's you can't really influence a person who already 742 00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:21,279 Speaker 3: has someone in mind who they're trying to impress, you know, 743 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,680 Speaker 3: whether that be the homies, whether that be a girl 744 00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:27,160 Speaker 3: that won't look at him for five seconds, but he 745 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:31,640 Speaker 3: knows what kind of guy she's into, you know, you know, 746 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,680 Speaker 3: or family members. Sometimes you know, you're just trying to 747 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:37,960 Speaker 3: prove if your family is already in that kind of 748 00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,120 Speaker 3: in that life and you're just trying to prove yourself 749 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:45,080 Speaker 3: to your family, or to your homeboys, or to any 750 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,600 Speaker 3: kind of girls, you know, you can't really say anything. 751 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:52,840 Speaker 3: But what I do want to say is that it 752 00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:59,719 Speaker 3: takes a man two two not follow the strains of society, 753 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:04,520 Speaker 3: not follow what everybody else is doing. Actually takes a 754 00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:09,640 Speaker 3: real grown man to actually go against the grains and 755 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:16,520 Speaker 3: let's go. Yeah, and we need men in this society, 756 00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:20,359 Speaker 3: you know, we need proper, proper men, and men is 757 00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,720 Speaker 3: what's going to make the world a better place, you know. 758 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,800 Speaker 3: But if these you know, boys are out here and 759 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:30,120 Speaker 3: they've they feeled and they're driven by trying to prove 760 00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,279 Speaker 3: something to society, trying to prove something to a girl 761 00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,640 Speaker 3: that might like, or their their homies. You know, at 762 00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,920 Speaker 3: the end of the day, you know, you're going to 763 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:43,239 Speaker 3: be alone one day, you know, and you're gonna hit 764 00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:47,319 Speaker 3: rock bottom. The homies won't be there, you know. It's 765 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,600 Speaker 3: not that they won't choose to be there, but it's 766 00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:51,080 Speaker 3: just they won't have a choice. 767 00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:52,040 Speaker 5: You know, they're being. 768 00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,799 Speaker 3: Locked up in the sill, or you'll be strapped to 769 00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:56,319 Speaker 3: a hospital bed. 770 00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, some five 's next. 771 00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,440 Speaker 3: To you, and and you're going to come to a 772 00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,759 Speaker 3: point in your life where you know you have to 773 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:07,880 Speaker 3: ask yourself, it is really worth it to prove myself 774 00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:11,120 Speaker 3: to these guys or should I just prove myself to myself? Ye, 775 00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,520 Speaker 3: and go against the grain and actually try and become 776 00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:18,120 Speaker 3: a good product of society, beautiful person. 777 00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,520 Speaker 5: They couldn't have said it any better, but that was 778 00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,880 Speaker 5: a good way to Yeah, to hear that. 779 00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,000 Speaker 2: Boys, it takes a man, takes a man. It takes 780 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:27,920 Speaker 2: a boy to follow the time. It takes a man 781 00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:29,120 Speaker 2: to get against her time. 782 00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:32,520 Speaker 3: Should be the thumbnail. 783 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:36,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much for coming on there. 784 00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:39,000 Speaker 5: Just appreciate it. 785 00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:41,680 Speaker 2: I hope this becomes one of the biggest podcast shows 786 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,759 Speaker 2: we've ever done, just because this is my childhood mate. 787 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,200 Speaker 5: You know. And yeah, thank you for coming on. 788 00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,200 Speaker 3: Bro. I just wanted to say sorry. 789 00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:56,040 Speaker 2: It was just like, yeah, what's the plans from now? 790 00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:58,759 Speaker 5: What's what's the plans now? We're staying in Australia. 791 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:03,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, so we're were staying in Australia. I've got actually 792 00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:09,080 Speaker 3: some good content material that I want to push this year. Yeah, 793 00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:13,320 Speaker 3: so that's mad and I'm traveling a lot. You know 794 00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:18,120 Speaker 3: I've been Gea, yeah, Fiji A, yeah, I've been in 795 00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:18,800 Speaker 3: Saudi Arabia. 796 00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:19,439 Speaker 1: Yeah. 797 00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:21,640 Speaker 3: So that's beautiful. 798 00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:25,800 Speaker 5: Bon the plans to shop, that's it right, stay in contact, 799 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,560 Speaker 5: but we have to hear from you soon. You're listening 800 00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:29,520 Speaker 5: to bros and cons. 801 00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,640 Speaker 2: This is Malik where he was our special guests, the 802 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:37,200 Speaker 2: one and only here with Ron Godi continuing mean showing 803 00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:53,320 Speaker 2: the ropes that see, let's go. 804 00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:56,360 Speaker 1: Peaking. You want with a cool with a cool cors 805 00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:57,920 Speaker 1: we moved a Queen Mary