1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: Hey everyone, my name is Sam. Welcome to another week 2 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:06,280 Speaker 1: with the Daily Ods. It is bright and early on Monday, 3 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: the second of August. I'm joined today by the co 4 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 1: founder of the Daily Ods, Zara. Another weekend in Lockdown. 5 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: How many walks did you. 6 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 2: Go on, Sam? Not as many walks as we won 7 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 2: in gold Medals, which is a great thing because the 8 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:22,600 Speaker 2: Aussies really brought it home over the weekend, didn't they. 9 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: It was inspiring television and I did not miss a moment. 10 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: What else is making headlines today? 11 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:32,559 Speaker 2: So we'll quickly run you through the latest in New 12 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 2: South Wales and in Queensland. So here. Yesterday in New 13 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:38,840 Speaker 2: South Wales we recorded two hundred and thirty nine locally 14 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:42,879 Speaker 2: acquired cases, so that was quite a jump on the 15 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:45,919 Speaker 2: previous day's numbers, and twenty six of those cases were 16 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 2: infectious in the community, but the isolation status of ninety 17 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:53,199 Speaker 2: eight cases remains under investigation. And that's been an interesting 18 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 2: change we've seen over the last couple of days, was 19 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 2: we were seeing really high numbers of people out in 20 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 2: the community while infectious, whereas now we're seeing a really 21 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 2: high number of isolation statuses incomplete or still under investigation. 22 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 2: So We'll know in the days to come whether or 23 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:12,559 Speaker 2: not those people were in the community because numbers will 24 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 2: presumably jump or drop. It wasn't just New South Wales though, 25 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 2: that had a weekend in lockdown. Queensland entered a three 26 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 2: day snap lockdown on Saturday, with the state recording nine 27 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 2: locally acquired cases of COVID nineteen yesterday. All of the 28 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 2: cases are linked to a non cluster. But here's what 29 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 2: Acting Premier Stephen Miles said about the numbers. 30 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 1: This is the most number of new community cases new 31 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: community infections we've reported in Queensland in almost twelve months. 32 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 1: It was a golden day in Tokyo yesterday, with swimmer 33 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 1: Emma mckinn winning gold in the fifty meter freestyle in 34 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 1: addition to the four x one hundred relay gold alongside 35 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: Kaylee McEwen, Chelsea Hodges and Kate Campbell. We also had 36 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: a gold in the BMX. It was the first time 37 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: that BMX freestyle was an event and Logan Martin took 38 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 1: home the gold medal there. We had a gold medal 39 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: in the sailing that was awarded yesterday and lots of 40 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 1: action last night on the track. 41 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 2: Former New South Wales nationals MP Michael Johnson won't face 42 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 2: sexual assault charges over allegations he sexually assaulted a woman. 43 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 2: So you might remember that this story dropped a bit 44 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 2: earlier in the year. Johnson came out and said it 45 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 2: was him that the story was about, and he then 46 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 2: resigned and that provoked a by election. But yesterday the 47 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 2: Director of Public Prosecutions recommended that there was quote insufficient 48 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 2: admissible evidence to proceed with the chargers. Johnson has strongly 49 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 2: denied along the whole way that he sexually assaulted the woman. 50 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: And for today's good news, we could not go pass 51 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:46,359 Speaker 1: swimmer Emma mckahon, who now holds the most medals overall 52 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: of any Australian athlete to compete in the Olympic Games. 53 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: McKean became the first female swimmer to win seven medals 54 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 1: at one Olympics and now goes past in thor police 55 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: L Jones as an ossie who's got the most in 56 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 1: Olympic history. Will go down as a legend of the sport. 57 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:04,919 Speaker 1: And here's the moment that she won the fifty meters 58 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: freestyle yesterday, the. 59 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 2: First Australian to win ten Olympic medals. Emma mckahon in 60 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 2: a line of her own. 61 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 1: Yesterday afternoon, there was some interesting news that emerged online 62 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 1: about the ban of Sky News Australia's YouTube channel for 63 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:30,639 Speaker 1: a period of seven days. Now, to set some context 64 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 1: around this story, sky News Australia currently has the most 65 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: subscribed YouTube channel of any freezware or cable broadcaster in Australia. 66 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: They've got one point eighty six million subscribers. Before we 67 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 1: dive into why the channel was banned and what happens 68 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 1: from here, it's important to note that it is extremely 69 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: likely Sky News will return to YouTube. YouTube operates on 70 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:54,839 Speaker 1: a three strike system, where it's only if you get 71 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 1: three strikes in a ninety day period that the channel 72 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: will be permanently removed from YouTube. So fast sky News 73 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: are on strike number one. 74 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 2: So when we were thinking about what to talk about 75 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 2: on this podcast, it did strike me that this could 76 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 2: possibly be a bit media bubbly in that I wasn't 77 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 2: entirely sure that the broader population would really care about this. 78 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 2: But Sam rightly pointed out earlier that Sky News has 79 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 2: the biggest YouTube presence of any news outlet in this country, 80 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:24,559 Speaker 2: so it is a really big precedent to be set 81 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 2: what happens, Sam, so. 82 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: We don't exactly know when. YouTube haven't pointed towards one 83 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 1: particular video that they say breached the guidelines. They released 84 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 1: a statement yesterday and it was circulated via Twitter, and 85 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 1: they said specifically, we don't allow content that denies the 86 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 1: existence of COVID nineteen or that encourages people to use 87 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:47,159 Speaker 1: hydroxychloroquin or ivermectin to treat or prevent the virus. The 88 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 1: statement continued that YouTube does allow for videos that have 89 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: sufficient countervailing context, which the violating videos did not provide. 90 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 1: According to the Tech Giant, yesterday, YouTube made it really 91 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: clear that it wasn't just one video in question, it 92 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:05,599 Speaker 1: was a number of videos. And sky News in return, 93 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: said it expressly rejected claims that any hosts ever denied 94 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 1: the existence of COVID nineteen and that no such videos 95 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: were ever published or removed. Instead, sky News pointed at 96 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 1: a review of old videos published to the channel that 97 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 1: they think may have uncovered material that didn't comply with 98 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 1: YouTube's policies. Sky News said that they support broad discussion 99 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 1: and debate on a wide range of topics and perspectives, 100 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: which is vital to any democracy. 101 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 2: So I know that you're dying to go into what 102 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:37,599 Speaker 2: ivermectin is because it keeps coming up, and I don't 103 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 2: think we've actually had the opportunity to explain why it 104 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 2: is that it keeps coming up. We get a lot 105 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 2: of comments on our Instagram about ivermectin, and there was 106 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 2: one former president of some unnamed country who was also 107 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 2: a proponent of this supposed treatment. Very quickly, before we 108 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 2: move onto the conversation about misinformation, private companies, freedom speech 109 00:05:57,480 --> 00:05:59,039 Speaker 2: and all of that, I just wanted to touch on 110 00:05:59,080 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 2: sam what it is. 111 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: So basically, ivermectin is this existing drug that is normally 112 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: used to treat parasites, and the main one being headline. 113 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:11,839 Speaker 1: There's one particular study out of Egypt that emerged about 114 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: midway through last year that had some primary data on 115 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:18,839 Speaker 1: which they said that ivermectin was a successful treatment for 116 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 1: those with COVID nineteen. That treatment, interestingly, has actually been 117 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: withdrawn because of ethical issues around plagiarism and the scientific 118 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 1: validity of its primary data. Despite this, interest in the 119 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: drug remains really high, especially on social media. We had 120 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 1: a liberal MP, Craig Kelly, talking about ivermectin non social 121 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 1: media that got him banned from Facebook, and it's fair 122 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 1: to say that whilst there is no strong scientific data 123 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: that suggests that it is effective, there are still clinical 124 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: trials investigating whether it can be used in the treatment 125 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:57,359 Speaker 1: or prevention of COVID as of yet, though there is 126 00:06:57,440 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 1: absolutely no evidence of his effectiveness. 127 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 2: Why then, if there was this misinformation about a drug 128 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 2: that is both untested and unproven, was it not taken 129 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 2: down by the regulatory body that governs broadcast media in 130 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 2: this country, and why instead was it taken down only 131 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 2: by YouTube, a private company. 132 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: It's a really interesting point. So there's a body called 133 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: the Australian Communications and Media Authority and they're referred to 134 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: by their acronym AKMA. AKMA was asked about these sky 135 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: News videos and they said that they're aware of the 136 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 1: broadcast and they've noted that Sky News had removed the 137 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: items from their website and published a correction. Now, this 138 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 1: really goes to the wider point of the tools available 139 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 1: to AKMA in response to content being published that might 140 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: breach industry standards. There's pretty much only two options of 141 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: ways they can respond. One they can issue a big 142 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 1: fine and finds are relatively insignificant. On this scale when 143 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: you're dealing with such massive media companies. 144 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 2: But did that happen in this case? 145 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: No, they didn't. Because Sky News took it down from 146 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: the website. They were satisfied that it was pretty much 147 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: case closed. The other option is really the nuclear option, 148 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 1: and that is actually banning the channel from broadcasting, and 149 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 1: that's pretty severe action to take, and AKMA is historically 150 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: very resistant to taking this sort of action out of 151 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 1: fears for the free speech debate. 152 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 2: Just indulge my curiosity. Has it ever happened before? 153 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 1: AKMA have never banned a channel as such. They've issued 154 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 1: a number of breaches, and again those breaches are for 155 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 1: things like classifying a program as M when it should 156 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 1: be MA, or inserting alcohol and tobacco ads when they 157 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 1: shouldn't be there, and those have financial penalties applied, but 158 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: with the big players in Australian media, they can kind 159 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 1: of absorb those penalties and move on. 160 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 2: This discussion does feel reminiscent of the conversations that happened 161 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 2: earlier this year when Donald Trump was kicked off Twitter 162 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 2: and there became a broader dialogue about whether or not 163 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 2: these huge social media behemoths were private companies or whether 164 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 2: they were publishers, or what their role was really in 165 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 2: propagating and disseminating news and media. So it goes to 166 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 2: the bigger question of is this a matter of freedom 167 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:05,079 Speaker 2: of speech or is it just a private company following 168 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 2: through on their code of conduct. 169 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 1: If nothing else, it's a fascinating issue because what we 170 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 1: have here is a private company saying to one of 171 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 1: Australia's most watched news channels, you can't bring people the 172 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:19,319 Speaker 1: news for a little bit, You've got some time on 173 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 1: the bench. I can totally understand why a great proportion 174 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 1: of the public would say, well, hang on, as news consumers, 175 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 1: why should YouTube decide what we watch? It goes to 176 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 1: this issue that we're going to be dealing with more 177 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: and more, which is that YouTube creates an environment where 178 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 1: they can set the rules for how you conduct yourself 179 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: in that arena. I think the problem is that there 180 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 1: is now emerging a discrepancy between what the regulatory bodies 181 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 1: like an AKMA can do in their arena versus what 182 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 1: a YouTube can do in its arena. It's going to 183 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 1: be a big issue to watch for the rest of 184 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 1: their pandemic and just generally, as these tech players become 185 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 1: such important parts of our media conc asumption, the nature 186 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,439 Speaker 1: of what we see and how we see it is changing. 187 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 2: We would love to know what you think on this topic. 188 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:11,679 Speaker 2: It certainly divides people, and not necessarily down partisan lines either, 189 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 2: so feel free to DMUs on Instagram at the Daily Os. 190 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 2: While you're there, you can also check out the day's news. 191 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:21,079 Speaker 2: We will have all the COVID updates, the Gold Medals, 192 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 2: and everything else you need to know. Stay safe, stay 193 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 2: home if you are in lockdown, and have a great day.